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Broadband Related => Mobile broadband => Topic started by: meritez on September 27, 2021, 01:57:43 PM

Title: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: meritez on September 27, 2021, 01:57:43 PM
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Chateau 5G s a high-speed, dual-band home access point with LTE/5G support for really fast Internet anywhere, anytime. There are many options to choose from, depending on your needs: from CAT4 LTE up to the CAT20 LTE and the ultra-fast 5G. But LTE is not the only option Chateau also features 5 x Gigabit Ethernet ports and a full size USB port.

https://mikrotik.com/product/chateau_5g

I'm glad this is finally available to the public, previously it was only for ISPs and you had to place bulk orders.

Sadly I still get no 5G coverage at home, so I cannot justify the purchase.
Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: burakkucat on September 27, 2021, 04:52:57 PM
Sadly I still get no 5G coverage at home, so I cannot justify the purchase.

Do you have any idea of the pricing, please?
Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: meritez on September 27, 2021, 05:21:06 PM
Do you have any idea of the pricing, please?

Just under 400 from WiFi stock, https://www.wifi-stock.co.uk/details/mikrotik-ultimate-home-ap-with-ultra-fast-lte5g-support-chateau-5g-rbd53g-5hacd2hnd-tc.html

Everyone else is quoting closer to 500
Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: burakkucat on September 27, 2021, 05:49:23 PM
Thank you.
Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: meritez on September 27, 2021, 07:19:06 PM
Thank you.

Let me know if you are going to get one, I think the 5G part is future proof
Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: mofa2020 on September 27, 2021, 07:58:02 PM
Isn't it weird that the device specs. stating only LTE Category   20 (2.0 Gbps Downlink, 200 Mbps Uplink) and make no mention of 5G? I know with carrier aggregation speeds go higher but would a LTE-A network get near 5G speeds?
Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: meritez on September 27, 2021, 09:07:09 PM
Isn't it weird that the device specs. stating only LTE Category   20 (2.0 Gbps Downlink, 200 Mbps Uplink) and make no mention of 5G? I know with carrier aggregation speeds go higher but would a LTE-A network get near 5G speeds?

Here's the brochure with full specifications: https://i.mt.lv/cdn/product_files/Chateau_5G_210854.pdf
Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: meritez on September 27, 2021, 09:14:32 PM
Pictures of the internals:

https://confusedbird.com/thread-119-post-1151.html

5g modem is an m2 module.

It's 8x8 mimo
Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on September 28, 2021, 12:03:51 AM
That's one heck of an M.2 card.
Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: meritez on September 28, 2021, 10:14:44 AM
That's one heck of an M.2 card.

I agree, from the brochure:
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5G NSA (5.0 Gbps downlink, 650 Mbps uplink)
5G SA (4.2 Gbps downlink, 900 Mbps uplink)
LTE category 20 (2.0 Gbps downlink, 200 Mbps uplink)

Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: meritez on October 07, 2021, 12:26:06 PM
Speedtest on internal antennas:

(https://www.thinkbroadband.com/_assets/speedtest/button/1633605845887606155-mini.png)

(https://www.speedtest.net/result/12149944195.png)
Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: meritez on October 07, 2021, 03:17:09 PM
Currently using a Smarty Unlimited 30 day sim, only connected on Band 3 + Band 32 and seeing those speeds!
Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on October 07, 2021, 10:03:25 PM
I agree, from the brochure:
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5G NSA (5.0 Gbps downlink, 650 Mbps uplink)
5G SA (4.2 Gbps downlink, 900 Mbps uplink)
LTE category 20 (2.0 Gbps downlink, 200 Mbps uplink)

Yet its WiFi 5 with Gigabit ethernet ports.  ::)  Not very future proof there.

Presumably being RouterOS it supports LAG/LACP though?
Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: meritez on October 15, 2021, 10:13:34 AM
Yet its WiFi 5 with Gigabit ethernet ports.  ::)  Not very future proof there.

Presumably being RouterOS it supports LAG/LACP though?

Yes, pretty much anything like that
Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: meritez on October 26, 2021, 10:55:11 AM
Max speeds seen with bunny internal antennas:
286 down
46 up

Looking for some decent external antenna
Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: Weaver on October 26, 2021, 11:41:07 AM
Is it likely there could be a simple software upgrade to 802.11ax ? Would that need upgraded hardware ?

Does it speak WPA3 ?
Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: meritez on October 26, 2021, 12:42:26 PM
Is it likely there could be a simple software upgrade to 802.11ax ? Would that need upgraded hardware ?

Does it speak WPA3 ?

The newer wireless driver is currently in testing:
https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/WifiWave2
Nothing 802.11ax as of yet.

[Moderator edited to fix the bullet-point list.]
Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: aesmith on November 05, 2021, 11:58:58 AM
Someone pointed out the limits of the SXT-LTE6 given it only has Fast Ethernet, Mikrotik were sort of hinting at new LTE products with Gigabit Ethernet.  I wonder if this was what they were meaning. Hope it's not the only one as I can't be the only person who wants to locate their LTE router to get the best signal, which doesn't really suit an all-in-one box.
Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: meritez on November 05, 2021, 02:27:16 PM
Someone pointed out the limits of the SXT-LTE6 given it only has Fast Ethernet, Mikrotik were sort of hinting at new LTE products with Gigabit Ethernet.  I wonder if this was what they were meaning. Hope it's not the only one as I can't be the only person who wants to locate their LTE router to get the best signal, which doesn't really suit an all-in-one box.

The LHGG-LTE6 has a gigabit Ethernet:https://mikrotik.com/product/lhgg_lte6_kit
Sadly it's limit at present is the R11e-LTE6 which does not support band 32 which 3 UK is using extensively for carrier aggregation:
https://mikrotik.com/product/r11e_lte6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY2l6FD-Z-Y

Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on November 06, 2021, 07:24:56 AM
The newer wireless driver is currently in testing:
https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/WifiWave2
  • WPA3 authentication and OWE (opportunistic wireless encryption)
  • 802.11w standard management frame protection
  • MU-MIMO and beamforming
  • 400Mb/s maximum data rate in the 2.4GHz band for IPQ4019 interfaces
Nothing 802.11ax as of yet.

[Moderator edited to fix the bullet-point list.]

The IPQ4019 is a Wave-2 802.11ac chipset, so the above is the extent of what it can support.

WiFi 6/ 802.11ax cannot be added to ac hardware, it would like expecting 5G to be a software patch for 4G simply because it might use the same radio frequencies.
Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: meritez on November 09, 2021, 07:24:51 AM
The IPQ4019 is a Wave-2 802.11ac chipset, so the above is the extent of what it can support.

WiFi 6/ 802.11ax cannot be added to ac hardware, it would like expecting 5G to be a software patch for 4G simply because it might use the same radio frequencies.

Oh, I agree, I'm quite sure Mikrotik will go WiFi 6e when it's finally out.
Title: Re: Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: meritez on November 10, 2021, 04:47:12 PM
MikroTik has released firmware 11.06 for the Chateau 5G - RG502QEAAAR11A06M4G

This has fixed the carrier aggregation readings and now reports all the aggregated cells.