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Broadband Related => FTTC and FTTP Issues => Topic started by: maxheadroom on September 04, 2021, 08:05:00 PM
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I found this video earlier when looking for something else could someone confirm this is all that is installed within the house?
This may be a bit of a daft question but i will post it anyway -
My existing phone line is connected to the pole near the back of the house and the line runs through the back and front bedrooms runs down the front of the house and enters the living room where the master socket is located, if i were to get FTTP how would the cable enter the property?
https://youtu.be/o-PtbckU9ws
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More than likely yes, if at all possible they will take it exactly the same route as the copper.
I don't think its guaranteed they use the new ONT but there's a very good chance they will.
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. . . could someone confirm this is all that is installed within the house?
That is a Nokia G-010G-Q and yes, unless an internal CSP is required because of a difficult installation, that is the only item fitted internally.
(Of course, by the time your own installation takes place, there may also be other ONTs deployed by Openreach.)
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Thanks.
Do you have any idea about my earlier question -
This may be a bit of a daft question but i will post it anyway -
My existing phone line is connected to the pole near the back of the house and the line runs through the back and front bedrooms runs down the front of the house and enters the living room where the master socket is located, if i were to get FTTP how would the cable enter the property?
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I think i may have had a senior moment.
I was assuming the fibre cable would have to come into the house where the existing master socket is but i assume that is not the case and in theory it could enter in the kitchen which is closest to the pole and the ONT could be fixed to the wall there, or have i got the totally wrong?
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I was assuming the fibre cable would have to come into the house where the existing master socket is but i assume that is not the case and in theory it could enter in the kitchen which is closest to the pole and the ONT could be fixed to the wall there, or have i got the totally wrong?
The ONT does not need to be anywhere near the existing telephony master socket or any other socket . . . other than a mains electricity socket for its power supply. ;)
Decide where would be the best location for the ONT (perhaps it would be best not sited in the kitchen) in terms of a mains electricity supply and an Ethernet cable link to your other networking equipment. Then look to see what would be a nice, simple, route for the fibre drop cable to reach and enter your home from from the pole top CBT.
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Thanks.
The kitchen is the only room at the back of the house (nearest to the pole) that has a electric socket and due to the bathroom being on the ground floor the only place the equipment could be installed is on the wall next to the window, this is furthest wall from the cooker/kettle and microwave so i am hoping it wouldn't be an issue.
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I see. (With my mind's eye.) Perhaps have the ONT mounted relatively high on the wall where it will be out of the way.
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I see. (With my mind's eye.) Perhaps have the ONT mounted relatively high on the wall where it will be out of the way.
Yes that was my thought the twin plug socket is above a work surface with plenty of room above so i would probably put a shelf up to keep the router etc out of harms way.
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Do you actually have a date for the install? (Or are you just future-planning things.)
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Do you actually have a date for the install? (Or are you just future-planning things.)
Future planning, i wasn't aware that copper is going to be scrapped and i was waiting for G-Fast to be rolled out here blissfully unaware it is no longer being rolled out anywhere, as this is the case i started to look at how it would be installed here (terraced house with pole behind house) and thanks to this site i know know a lot more about it than i did this morning.
We cannot get it here at the moment -
Did you know?
We're upgrading millions of homes and businesses to Ultrafast Full Fibre broadband
At the moment, we don't have any plans to upgrade your area to full fibre, but provide your contact details and we'll keep you up to date if things change - we add new locations into our build plan every three months.
Also, why not consider our Community Fibre Partnership programme to see if you could get Full Fibre sooner?
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Future planning,
It's always good to think things through before any decisive action is required.
i wasn't aware that copper is going to be scrapped . . .
Not for a very long time. The only certainty is that the classic PSTN will be turned off and all telephony will have to be VoIP.
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Thanks, another hypothetical question if i may (rather than start another thread)
With my current set up all devices apart from my PC (ethernet) are connected by Wi-Fi.
I have a dual band router and i get the following speeds (Mbps)
PC (ethernet) = 74.08
Phone 2.4 GHz = 33.8
Tablet 2.4 GHz = 41.85
Tablet 5.0 GHz = 55.52
As it would be hard to hide a ethernet cable in the kitchen i was wondering what effect it would have on my fastest device (the PC)
Assuming i am going to get a minimum of 100 Mbps on TalkTalks cheapest 150 package (i don't really want to pay more) does this mean the fastest i can hope for on the wireless PC would be 80 Mbps using the theory that the fastest wireless speed i can get now on a 75 Mbps connection is 55 Mbps?
Or have i got this all wrong?
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I am not sure. :-\ Perhaps other members might be able to assist with that query?
Ideally, with the ONT located high on the wall in the kitchen, I would be considering how I could run a length of Ethernet cable to elsewhere in the house. I would not have the firewall/router/WAP on a shelf in the kitchen but in a more convenient location within the house.
With external grade Ethernet cable, it could be run back outside and then, say, up to the roof, across the (internal) roof space, out of the roof space at the front of the house and down before re-entering into the house.
Or could an Ethernet cable be run down from the ONT and then under the floor to a more appropriate location?
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I would not have the firewall/router/WAP on a shelf in the kitchen but in a more convenient location within the house.
The PC which i use far more than any other device is in the kitchen (by far the biggest room in out small house) the PC has wireless built in but i have always used Ethernet for the higher speeds we have laminate floor so i don't really want to pull it up my DIY skills are not the best, i may just bite the bullet and go for the 500 package as if my understanding of this is right the huge jump in speed would guarantee our Wi-fi speeds are much higher than what we are getting now or would get on the 150 package.
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Thanks, another hypothetical question if i may (rather than start another thread)
With my current set up all devices apart from my PC (ethernet) are connected by Wi-Fi.
I have a dual band router and i get the following speeds (Mbps)
PC (ethernet) = 74.08
Phone 2.4 GHz = 33.8
Tablet 2.4 GHz = 41.85
Tablet 5.0 GHz = 55.52
As it would be hard to hide a ethernet cable in the kitchen i was wondering what effect it would have on my fastest device (the PC)
Assuming i am going to get a minimum of 100 Mbps on TalkTalks cheapest 150 package (i don't really want to pay more) does this mean the fastest i can hope for on the wireless PC would be 80 Mbps using the theory that the fastest wireless speed i can get now on a 75 Mbps connection is 55 Mbps?
Depends, if the 55Mbit limit is due to what you are syncing at, then yeah it should be faster.
Generally with a good signal 5Ghz should easily do the full 150Mbit, in the same room I can get up to 850Mbit over 802.11ac/WiFi 5 wireless to my NAS but even on a bad day its well in excess of 150Mbit.
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I get the full speed for the 80Mbps package i am on (TalkTalk Fibre 65)
PC (ethernet) = 74.08 Mbps.
I am doing the speed tests from my PC desk in the kitchen the router is in the front room and there are a couple of thick walls between us i tried the phone again and gained 3 Mbps by going to the router.
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What router is it and do you know what channel width its using?
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What router is it and do you know what channel width its using?
Its the talk talk wi-fi hub (the new one) i am pretty sure i changed the channel to non congested ones using a popular app to see if they were congested (i cannot remember the apps name)
I edited my earlier post to say -
I am doing the speed tests from my PC desk in the kitchen the router is in the front room and there are a couple of thick walls between us i tried the phone again next to the router and gained 3 Mbps
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Not sure what you mean by channel width, is it this -
Phone 2.4 GHz = 33.8
Tablet 2.4 GHz = 41.85
Tablet 5.0 GHz = 55.52
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WiFi channels are not a single channel the are a group, channel width determines how much of the radio frequency band that channel uses.
2.4Ghz typically uses 20Mhz as theres only around 60Mhz usable and you don't want to overlap other networks.
5Ghz can use up to 160Mhz which is why it can go so much faster, though a lot of routers and clients only support up to 80Mhz.
The speed you get at long range will reduce as you increase the channel width, but the speed you get in closer range will increase. So it can be a good idea to test different widths to see if it performs satisfactory in all the places you use wireless.
Another thing that impacts your speed is MIMO, a lot of clients are only 1 transmit 1 receive, or 1x1, the higher the MIMO the faster your WiFi link can go at the same channel width.
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Did you know?
We're upgrading millions of homes and businesses to Ultrafast Full Fibre broadband
At the moment, we don't have any plans to upgrade your area to full fibre, but provide your contact details and we'll keep you up to date if things change - we add new locations into our build plan every three months.
By the time you get FTTP, I expect ISPs will be issuing WiFi 6 equipment as standard. As such, to predict what speeds you might get, especially if you fit a WiFi 6 dongle/card to your PC.
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By the time you get FTTP, I expect ISPs will be issuing WiFi 6 equipment as standard. As such, to predict what speeds you might get, especially if you fit a WiFi 6 dongle/card to your PC.
True, but something seems off as they should be hitting the same speed on WiFi as wired unless the signal is incredibly weak. So an upgrade now might help, although its kinda bad economy as Wifi 6e will hopefully become more common soon.
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Thanks for all your brilliant help.
I registered with Openreach to get the latest and upcoming info on FTTP in my area and as you can see its not happening in the next year, i am happy with the speed we get now so FTTC will do until FTTP becomes available
Dear ****
I wanted to let you know that we’ve successfully received your request to be kept up to date on information about Ultrafast Full Fibre broadband.
At the moment, * ***** ****** isn’t planned to have Ultrafast Full Fibre built in the next year. I know this isn’t what you wanted to hear. Building our new Ultrafast Full Fibre broadband to the whole of the U.K. is a massive engineering project that takes years to complete, but rest assured we’re working as fast as we can. Currently we’re passing a home or business every 14 seconds.
We’re always adding new areas into our build plan, and now that you’ve given us your details, I’ll let you know when things change.
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That's interesting, when I registered I never got an e-mail.
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That's interesting, when I registered I never got an e-mail.
I went through the check here -
https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband
and it came back with -
Did you know?
We're upgrading millions of homes and businesses to Ultrafast Full Fibre broadband.
At the moment, we don't have any plans to upgrade your area to full fibre, but provide your contact details and we'll keep you up to date if things change - we add new locations into our build plan every three months.
I filled the form and ticked email.
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That's interesting, when I registered I never got an e-mail.
When did you register? I registered back in May 2020 and received a email confirmation (though the layout/content is different from the current version they send).
I did try to register the property again - but no email the second time!
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When did you register? I registered back in May 2020 and received a email confirmation (though the layout/content is different from the current version they send).
I did try to register the property again - but no email the second time!
Last week.
Did you tick the preference box at the bottom?
I didn't get a conformation the first contact from them was the email above.
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When did you register? I registered back in May 2020 and received a email confirmation (though the layout/content is different from the current version they send).
I did try to register the property again - but no email the second time!
I wonder if that's it and I had registered before and forgotten? Not an issue anyway as I chased up directly with Openreach, just deciding when is the next best to torment them again.