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Broadband Related => FTTC and FTTP Issues => Topic started by: Vertron on August 25, 2021, 07:34:27 PM
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I recently bought a HG612 modem and flashed the latest firmware on it. For some reason the download speed tops out at 41.5mbps and 14.5mpbs upload. My ISP modem/router topped out at over 52mbps download and 18.5mbps upload.
Any idea why I'm getting worse speeds using this modem? I'm tempted to go back and just use my ISP router as a modem and have double NAT over these slower speeds.
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Try resetting the hg612 to factory settings, a quick Google will show you how
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I factory reset it when I first upgraded the firmware a couple days ago. It's worth a try though so will give it a go. Won't be able to attempt that for a couple days though unfortunately.
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It could be your cabinet is ECI, the HG612 syncs significantly lower for me on the ECI cabinet too which is why I switched to the ECI modem and a Home Hub 5 flashed with OpenWRT (I have two lines).
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Post the output of the 'info --stats' command and it might be obvious why.
Also what ISP device are you comparing it with?
Some are better than others.
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Thanks Alex, that could explain it.
Ok John I will when I have some time. I'm comparing it to the EE smart hub which I believe is the same one that BT provides.
Here is an image from Google maps street view of the only cabinet near my house which I most likely use: https://ibb.co/wC48zz5
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The latest EE/BT hubs have a very modern, high syncing Broadcom chipset.
The HG612 has a much older Broadcom chipset.
The cabinet you have linked is indeed an ECI cabinet but that isn't necessarily the reason you are syncing low with the HG612.
The EE/BT Hub will likely outperform a HG612 on any cabinet.
Every line is different and there is no hard and fast rule that "modem x sync better on cabinet y".
Some people insist that you need to match the modem chipset to the cabinet chipset.
The ECI cabinets have a Lantiq chipset while the Huawei cabinets have a Broadcom chipset.
I found the HG612 performed very well on my ECI cabinet.
I switched to a newer/better Broadcom chipset though and the sync improved quite a bit.
The HG612 is very unlikely to sync higher than the EE/BT Hub though as the EE/BT hubs have a BCM63138 chipset which is Broadcoms newest, premium/flagship chipset.
As above, every line is different and has its own unique characteristics.
There are users on this forum who still use an HG612 and swear by their performance.
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Thanks for that info John, that's very helpful.
As the EE smart hub is using the latest Broadcom chip, I think I will go back to using that as my modem.
I've read more about double NAT and don't think it's as bad as I first thought, especially if I put the 2nd router in the DMZ.
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I've put my EE smart hub back as my modem again but I'm still getting the slower download/upload speeds for some reason? Does it take a few days for it to get back to normal after changing modems, or do I need to give EE a ring?
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Try disabling QoS in the HG612's web interface (screenshot attached showing where to find it).
I keep it on as I notice better latency/ping times when maxing out my upload. I'd rather take the 1-2mb/sec speed hit. :)
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Each time you resync by changing the modem it will be a different sync rate depending on the SNRM at the time of the resync. It won’t change on its own and I doubt EE can do anything as there is likely no fault. Also don’t keep resyncing or the line will be viewed unstable and the DLM will apply correction and likely reduce sync more !
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Thanks neilius, I already did that and got a couple mb more out of the upload speed, still slower than what I had before though.
Interesting g3uiss because now I think about it, I'm pretty sure I got full speed from the HG612 when I first initially set it up to test if it works, I then went back to double NAT while configuring the new router. Only got the lower speed after rewiring everything to set it up to permanently use the new modem, had some issues and it may have got reconnected a few times, perhaps DLM kicked in then and there is actually nothing wrong with my HG612? I'll keep an eye on it and see if goes back up to the higher speed.
If DLM is the cause, do you think a higher performing Broadcom chip with double NAT is worth it over a much older Broadcom chip and single NAT?
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@vertron Although there has been a request to post your full modem stats you do not appear to have done so. Without this information it is difficult to offer any advice on how your line is performing. The stats may show if your line is banded which could be the case if the EE router is now giving lower speeds.. You need to check the line stats whenever you change anything so you have some idea of what is going on.
I don't believe a newer Broadcom modem chip will help you much if at all, and it is always best to avoid double NAT if you can.
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Thanks RealAleMadrid, please see my stats:
https://ibb.co/TwpXzmq
https://ibb.co/YbHpxrN
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Hmm, well looking at that sync rate it could be banded, but the SNRm is also where I'd expect it to be if running at maximum sync.
Did we determine what type of cabinet you were connected to? As it would now make more sense if it was Huawei and your frequent resyncs have caused DLM to raised your margin from 3dB to 6dB, thus the reduction in sync rate.
Really at this point you just need to leave it alone, avoid resyncing as any more will risk your connection being adjusted even slower.
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Did we determine what type of cabinet you were connected to?
Yes, ECI.
The cabinet you have linked is indeed an ECI cabinet . . .
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Yes, ECI.
Man I'm REALLY having focus issues lately. That's certainly curious then as clearly the line condition has changed and not in a good way.
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That's certainly curious then as clearly the line condition has changed and not in a good way.
Yes, indeed. Puzzling.
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According to the stats, I'm on cabinet 19. Looking at the cabinet on Google maps I noticed there is a different older looking cabinet that I overlooked before, it's very close to the ECI one with 19 written on it. I bet I'm actually using that one instead.
https://ibb.co/Fx475Rg
https://ibb.co/kBLNQM1
https://ibb.co/PxD5yR0
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That’s the PCP to which your connected. The link to the fibre cabinet is separate. End users connect to the PCP never to the fibre cabinet directly
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I'd throw a guess that the line was previously on fastpath and is now interleaved.
The DSL checker shows a previous high sync of 50.64Mb on 19th July.
The drop from roughly 51Mb to 44Mb looks consistent with Interleaving. The high max attainable fits this also.
It's also possible the line may have 44Mb banding but we may not know that for sure to the Interleaving removes.
Has the latency increased by around 8ms recently?
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Ah I see, thanks for clearing that up g3uiss.
Yes my ping has increased quite a bit actually, from 9ms to 27ms.
Speed test before issue: https://ibb.co/ckFm4Mc
Speed test now: https://ibb.co/VBrMbr0
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So to confirm, it seems like my line has been changed from fastpath to interleaved? I just need to leave it a couple weeks for it to automatically change back to fastpath?
Also, there is nothing wrong my HG612 and I should be good to set it back up once the line goes back to normal?
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I think that’s a reasonable summary! ::)