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Broadband Related => FTTP Rollout => Topic started by: Bowdon on July 17, 2021, 02:36:24 PM

Title: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: Bowdon on July 17, 2021, 02:36:24 PM
I've been using the fibre cities maps to keep updated on build areas.

https://api.superfastmaps.co.uk/fibrecities/2.0/ (https://api.superfastmaps.co.uk/fibrecities/2.0/)

It might be my imagination. But did it update recently?

I'm sure the entire Rochdale area wasn't a coloured area before. From the colour it seems to be saying 'to be built by April 2025'.

As anyone else noticed any other areas that have updated?

Does this mean another .pdf month update is coming from OR soon?

Who runs the Fibrecities site? Is it from OR or someone else?
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: j0hn on July 17, 2021, 02:49:06 PM
Yes.
My exchange was added in the last couple days. It's now due for completion by April 2024.
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: meritez on July 17, 2021, 02:57:06 PM
Interesting, Yardley Hastings is not being touched at all.
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: burakkucat on July 17, 2021, 04:22:23 PM
https://api.superfastmaps.co.uk/fibrecities/2.0/

<snip>

Who runs the Fibrecities site? Is it from OR or someone else?

When I call up the URL, the browser shows a title "Openreach Fibre Cities".  :)
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: Bowdon on July 20, 2021, 12:58:33 AM
When I call up the URL, the browser shows a title "Openreach Fibre Cities".  :)

Ohh.. I need to find my glasses next time  :cool:

I wonder when the next pdf list comes out?
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: Chrysalis on July 20, 2021, 10:46:23 PM
I cant make much sense of the map.

I looked at the east midlands where it seems to show lots of rural areas covered but not city centre of coventry, leicester, derby, and nottingham, albeit nottingham seems to have partial city coverage. derby has some small parts planned.

Leicester has a ongoing cityfibre rollout which is not represented on the map at all. Same with coventry.

Maybe it should be renamed fibrevillages? :)
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: g3uiss on July 20, 2021, 11:33:17 PM
The build in progress here but the map shows 2025 ! Not to be trusted at all
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: Ixel on July 21, 2021, 12:32:24 AM
I see my area has been added, or at least it looks like it's 'April 2025'. The colour they chose for that particular one is awful, it blends in with the map.
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: toonshorty on July 21, 2021, 10:27:43 AM
I cant make much sense of the map.

I looked at the east midlands where it seems to show lots of rural areas covered but not city centre of coventry, leicester, derby, and nottingham, albeit nottingham seems to have partial city coverage. derby has some small parts planned.

Leicester has a ongoing cityfibre rollout which is not represented on the map at all. Same with coventry.

Maybe it should be renamed fibrevillages? :)

The map is managaged and maintained by Openreach, so no surprise it doesn't show any CityFibre rollouts on it. It also maps out wider exchange areas that OR are planning to build, it won't include any smaller FTTP projects such as new builds or BDUK deployments.

The build in progress here but the map shows 2025 ! Not to be trusted at all

It's 'by December 2025' so that could be any time from today in theory. I think the reason they are giving these far out dates for exchange areas is largely because there will be phased deployments at an exchange level. While the bulk of the delivery might be done 2021/22, there could be some areas within the exchange coverage that won't be completed until 2024/25.

I would assume there will be a large scoping effort around all the targeted exchanges to understand which villages, streets, estates (etc.) are going to quick and easy to deploy to and which aren't. Openreach will likely then focus their efforts on the easiest areas first to grow the FTTP footprint as quickly as possible before moving into the harder to reach areas.
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: skyeci on July 21, 2021, 10:31:55 AM
My exchange is not  on the rollout pdf file or on the maps. We have very little fttp in my town. I only know of 2 developments that have it yet openreach on 2 occasions have told me we should have fttp by around next April  so who knows what to think with that one.....
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: Black Sheep on July 21, 2021, 12:09:14 PM
The build in progress here but the map shows 2025 ! Not to be trusted at all

I don't know why that's happened ... as I'm sure your Exchange area was the correct colour in prior views ??

There's also two more Exchanges literally around the corner from you (KE and H) that are having their spine deployed as we speak and the surveys are also being manually walked in H. They will both be fully FTTP by next year. These also show as the same colour as your build ??

Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: j0hn on July 21, 2021, 12:32:46 PM
There are other OpenReach maps and documents with more accurate dates

The fibre cities webpage shows either "complete" or "built by April 2024" at the earliest.

There are whole exchanges due to complete this year that say April 2024 on that map.

Sounds like they are just being over cautious with the completion dates. It saves people complaining when targets aren't reached.
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: g3uiss on July 21, 2021, 12:39:07 PM
@BS yes it was correct a couple of months ago !
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: Bowdon on July 21, 2021, 01:17:51 PM
I'm a little frustrated that only last year the Oldham council leader stood with the Greater Manchester Mayor talking about bringing Gigabit broadband forward to 2023. I think the Oldham guy was put on a board to make this happen. Yet apart from the rural area of Saddleworth, and the area around the Failsworth exchange that OR are experimenting with, no other area in Oldham is in any plans till beyond 2026. According to the map most areas around Oldham has a date set.
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: g3uiss on July 21, 2021, 01:44:27 PM
(KE and H)

Decipher  ???
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: Black Sheep on July 21, 2021, 06:51:52 PM
Decipher  ???

C'mon mate - you live next door to these places - didn't want to disclose your whereabouts as you may want to keep it private.

I'm sure Kitz will crack two localities near you, one beginning with KE and the other beginning with H  ;)
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: g3uiss on July 21, 2021, 09:42:24 PM
Um thanks for protecting privacy wasnít sure if that was exchange codes or town abbreviations! Still mystified! But not important  ??? 
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: burakkucat on July 21, 2021, 11:16:29 PM
Um thanks for protecting privacy wasnít sure if that was exchange codes or town abbreviations! Still mystified! But not important  ??? 

Knowing of your exchange, I'll just say that its code begins LC . . .
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: g3uiss on July 22, 2021, 09:33:20 AM
@bcat thanks but Iím familiar with my exchange code. For the life of me I canít fathom where Ke and H are.  :(
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: Black Sheep on July 22, 2021, 11:40:37 AM
Um thanks for protecting privacy wasnít sure if that was exchange codes or town abbreviations! Still mystified! But not important  ???

Sent you a PM - if you don't kick yourself, I will !!  ;)
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: burakkucat on July 22, 2021, 01:58:59 PM
b*cat smiles, enigmatically.  :angel:
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: Black Sheep on July 22, 2021, 03:03:16 PM
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: spudgun on July 22, 2021, 05:40:09 PM
My location has appeared on the map now as it was also on the last .pdf that openreach released. It is hinted in this thread that more detailed information is available on timescales and perhaps specific areas, so may I ask where I should look for this or if one of the kind 'insiders' here would consult the documentation for me?
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: Bowdon on July 25, 2021, 11:12:16 PM
I was going to ask something like that too spudgun.

I'm going to give it another couple of months to see if the Oldham area, or at least my part, suddenly gets a date.

But the question is, who is the first port of call to find out any information? Openreach or the local authorities?
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: toonshorty on July 27, 2021, 09:21:59 AM
It looks as if Openreach have updated the legends on the map to be a little clearer regarding dates.

They now show as:
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: niemand on July 27, 2021, 09:52:56 AM
Better but still in need of work. Do they perhaps mean that this is when they expect to complete the main build?

Two local exchanges in the 2022-25 group are both in advanced levels of construction already.
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: Ixel on July 27, 2021, 10:35:57 AM
Better but still in need of work. Do they perhaps mean that this is when they expect to complete the main build?

Two local exchanges in the 2022-25 group are both in advanced levels of construction already.

It's definitely not clear, but I would make a guess that it's when they expect to complete the build by, based on what you mentioned at least with the two local exchanges. Definitely needs a little more clarity on what they mean. I've seen quite a few Openreach vans around the town lately doing something in various manhole covers, although it could easily be unrelated.
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: gt94sss2 on July 27, 2021, 10:49:32 AM
It's a positive development on the version they previously released. Let's hope they continue to add more granularity as time goes on.

I'm a bit concerned that if too many individuals chase for more information specific to them, then they will release less information not more - as was the case with FTTC previously
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on July 27, 2021, 09:09:01 PM
Certainly the last I checked with Openreach directly, my exchange was due to be complete by mid to end of next year, so saying 2024 is definitely leaving them a lot of leeway.

That said, part of the coverage for my exchange seems to go into a rural area so it would kinda make sense that could end up taking a lot longer than the rest of the covered area.
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: kjw on July 30, 2021, 07:36:46 AM
Definitely take those maps with a pinch of salt, my exchange now says 2026 yet I am already live and new bits are popping up every week now!
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on July 30, 2021, 10:26:00 AM
I definitely think its referring to "some" areas of the exchange will take that long, whereas most may be done much much sooner.
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: niemand on August 02, 2021, 10:11:28 PM
I've just noted that the main exchange in the centre of Leeds, Basinghall, is also getting FTTP.

Promoter Ref: BC314-FFIBV6116BAS1A
Description:[Utility asset works] excavation required to install ducting for telecoms assets
Lightsource - Fibre First/Gfast

Promoter Ref: BC314-FFIBV6116BAS1B
Description: [Utility asset works] excavation required to install ducting for telecoms assets
Lightsource - Fibre First/Gfast

So definitely worth taking that stuff with a mountain of salt: it's clearly not authoritative or up to date.
Title: Re: Fibrecities map updates?
Post by: kitz on August 03, 2021, 01:07:03 AM
Showing as red and work to be completed between April 2021 and 2026.   
Despite the fact most of the town is complete and has been live for nearly a year..