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Title: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 24, 2021, 03:35:15 PM
LIVE at 4pm (UK time) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/event?ocid=usoc_sv_cons_win_awr_TWSound
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: meritez on June 24, 2021, 04:13:45 PM
Are they replacing the BSOD?
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Starman on June 24, 2021, 04:16:31 PM
MS stream kept dropping for me so switch to Engadget YouTube stream ironically.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 24, 2021, 05:00:56 PM
Windows 11 create more bloatwares than ever! BAD MOVE by Microsoft! FREE upgraded but more adverts in the background and collect data to Microsoft. Windows 7 are probably the best Operating System ever! Unless u try Linux Mint that look similiar to XP and Windows 7 but no bloatwares, no adverts, no data collection!
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 24, 2021, 05:48:48 PM
Well its looking like I will only be using Windows for gaming anyway thanks to Apple Silicon.  I'm running into not enough memory issues on the Mac Mini for some workloads, kinda expected for 8GB RAM and an application not optimised for the M1, but its proven its viable for what I need and I can always use it as a Linux server if I replace it with a more powerful model.

I never thought I would defect to Apple as they're a pretty scummy company too, but at least their UI is consistent.  Absolutely sick of Microsoft constantly changing things so its harder to use.

I just don't know what Microsoft think they are achieving with all these anti-consumer changes they keep making.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Starman on June 24, 2021, 08:07:32 PM
Anyone running a home built system better hope they have TPM 2.0 chip or at least a header to buy the addon for their motherboard.

https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/news/windows-11-wont-work-on-your-pc-without-a-tpm-how-to-check (https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/news/windows-11-wont-work-on-your-pc-without-a-tpm-how-to-check)
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 24, 2021, 08:12:13 PM
My pc is brand new AMD Ryzen 7 3700x, 16GB DDR4 3200MHz ram, processor running at 64 Bit 4.4GHz and NVMe storage 500GB with secure boot and TPM 2.0 enabled say device manager and graphic card gtx 1050ti direct x 12 and the pc health checker from Microsoft declined upgrade to Windows 11 because my pc doesn't meet minimum requirement specs. WTF?
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: g3uiss on June 24, 2021, 08:12:24 PM
This is a bit off yet in terms of timing. Knowing MS it might change several times before it’s forced on us.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Starman on June 24, 2021, 08:13:51 PM
My pc is brand new AMD Ryzen 7 3700x,....

Check the BIOS likely need secure boot enabled and something like fTPM for AMD based motherboards.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 24, 2021, 08:15:04 PM
Check the BIOS likely need secure boot enabled and something like fTPM for AMD based motherboards.

Already got that enabled
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Starman on June 24, 2021, 08:25:55 PM
Whats the motherboard? Try Win+R -> TPM.MSC and see what it says.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 24, 2021, 08:31:30 PM
It's say got that and my motherboard is Asus B550 gaming plus with latest bios
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Starman on June 24, 2021, 08:41:13 PM
I ran PCHealthCheck earlier and it stated Win11 not compatible despite being old 4 months old. Went into the BIOS and enabled PTT under: UEFI BIOS - Advanced / PCH-FW Configuration / PTT Configuration / Enable

PC Health Check now passes thats without using my TPM header it uses feature of Intel CPU/area of BIOS chip so as I understand it if any one part is exchnaged and if bitlocker is enabled you'll loose your data.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Bowdon on June 24, 2021, 10:21:46 PM
How do we tell what version of TPM our chips have?

I'm on a Kaby Lake Intel Core i7-7700K

According to the health check it says I can't upgrade to Windows 11.

I can't help but think this is a money grab deal with Intel. I noticed they only mentioned Intel in the presentation, not AMD.

I bet a lot will buy new PC's when if they had the knowledge they can make changes to the settings like Starman did and it suddenly works.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 24, 2021, 10:22:35 PM
I finally get it worked now as the pc health checker working correctly now  ;D ;D ;D

(https://i.ibb.co/gZ41V5x/1.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/hst8ZMY/2.jpg)
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Bowdon on June 24, 2021, 10:49:35 PM
I think my TPM setting is probably turned off in the bios.

I found a quick way to see if its on or what version by typing in the box tpm.msc and it'll show if its on or not.. if its on what version.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 25, 2021, 03:29:38 AM
Interesting, my Ryzen 2500U laptop has TPM 2.0 support.

Problem is a lot of people run Win 10 on laptops that likely were before TPM was a thing.

Just checked on my ASUS X570-F Ryzen 5950X and enabling it in the BIOS allows it to be stored in AGESA.  Booting back into Windows and it shows as available.

I'd check my 9900k but I accidentally wiped the EFI partition when I installed Linux on it.  :-[
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Chrysalis on June 25, 2021, 09:22:29 AM
So what did I miss, is it just the UI updates or some killer feature to lure people over?
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Ronski on June 25, 2021, 10:17:41 AM
Probably not a lot, but does sound like they are trying to make it more secure but I have no idea of the implications of needing a TPM module, or its benefits or downsides.

Both my main PCs have TPM sockets, but from a quick check not all TPM modules are created equal, some sockets have different pin configurations, you'd think by now they would have learned to standardise things.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Bowdon on June 25, 2021, 10:45:49 AM
I've not looked in my own bios yet. But I believe that the TPM mode on ASUS boards with intel cpu chips is called PTT.

I've been reading this article about TPM and how its mainly about drive encryption. As a home user I've never seen the point of drive encryption. If people want to do it fine. But it seems more of an option for hobby'ists when outside of a professional environment. So to now have this forced on everyone is very strange.

I think they are taking a big gamble on this requirement as there is no reason to have TPM switched on as a requirement other than for drive encryption, a feature probably a very high percentage don't use. On the flip side this is making the majority of computers in circulation now as being unable to meet that requirement, and even if some do meet the requirement its due to having some technical knowledge of turning the option on in the bios. So people will assume they can't get it.

What is very strange is that during the leaked version of Windows 11 people managed to bypass the check for TPM and the OS worked perfectly well. Let us hope that a big stink happens with TPM and they remove it as a requirement by the time it comes out.

Update:

I looked in to my bios and there is no TPM or PTT option.

For reference for others;

CPU: Intel Core i7 7700K
MB: ASUS MAXIMUS VIII GENE

There is no TPM header on the Mobo either.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Chrysalis on June 25, 2021, 12:11:23 PM
I cannot see TPM been effective against most forms of malware.  Unless Microsoft know something they not telling us.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 25, 2021, 12:17:52 PM
Microsoft will not change their mind and removed TPM. If you don't like it - stick with W10 or change to Linux. I got the feeling that Microsoft will force everyones more controlled on people's pc or laptop just like Apple did.

I am finished with Microsoft. Time to move onto Linux Mint as it working fine for my need: photo editior, video encode, email, browser, video, music, photos, docs with openoffice etc.

As for gaming I can use W10 as offline only. As I know Linux isn't great for those who need gaming pc.

I have to agree there is no need for TPM and Microsoft forcing you to use TPM are very BAD MOVE! - They going to lose 80% customers soon and businesses will be very angry if their old pc cannot support Windows 11 because most older pc doesn't have TPM.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 25, 2021, 12:22:45 PM
I cannot see TPM been effective against most forms of malware.  Unless Microsoft know something they not telling us.

I don't trust Microsoft - no ones does! They are the one love data collection, adverts on your pc (part of free upgrade) and more bloatwares, malwares.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Bowdon on June 25, 2021, 12:23:55 PM
AMD: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors)
Intel: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors)

This is a page of all the versions of windows and compatible cpu's;

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements)

My i7 7700K was going good until it hit Windows 11.

I think this is going to fall flat on Microsoft's faces. They are presenting a cliff edge date of 2025. If you haven't bought a new PC that is compatible with Windows 11 then all security support will be withdrawn from Windows 10 in 4 years.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 25, 2021, 12:42:48 PM
My old pc i7 2700K sandybridge are still very strong and still working well for nearly 10 years old now. Still using it. As for Windows 11 - it NO CHANCE on Intel i7 2700K. So, **** off Microsoft for all I care.

[Edited to obscure some obvious bad language - roseway]

Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Ronski on June 25, 2021, 01:13:36 PM
Can't believe my i7-5930K or any from that range are not listed.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 25, 2021, 05:24:56 PM
What I'm curious about is does this mean Home users will finally get drive encryption?  On Win10, you have to upgrade to Pro (£120 if done via the MS app store) to get that feature.

I can see the merit in having this as standard, every other mainstream OS does.  I think it absolutely should be there as standard, as it means if your SSD/HDD breaks and you send it in for warranty, nobody can snoop on your data.  However making is mandatory does seem stupid, doubly so if they maintain the "you must upgrade to Pro to use it".

So what did I miss, is it just the UI updates or some killer feature to lure people over?

From what I can tell its mostly good for tablet users and gamers.  They are pushing all the new gaming focused optimisations into 11 it seems, which should go down like a house on fire. ;)

I'm actually looking forward to it, but only because I wont have to put up with it as my main OS.  Otherwise I'm not a fan of constantly changing the UI.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: parkdale on June 25, 2021, 08:09:22 PM
Mine failed i5 7600 :(  on Asus H270 prime pro... even with PTT turned on.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 25, 2021, 09:04:10 PM
I believe you have to enable secure boot too which is why I didnt actually run the test as I have secure boot off.  I only checked to see if TPM was found as I know secure boot can be enabled.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Bowdon on June 25, 2021, 09:42:40 PM
It'll be interesting how many people will upgrade.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 25, 2021, 10:03:36 PM
It'll be interesting how many people will upgrade.

More like how many CAN upgrade.  Though it does seem TPM is enabled by default on laptops but off on motherboards.  I'd expect Dell, HP, etc probably also have it on by default on their desktops.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 25, 2021, 10:09:38 PM
It'll be interesting how many people will upgrade.

None including myself
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 25, 2021, 11:03:18 PM
None including myself

Clearly not true, as I will be as will 100% of PC gamers as AutoHDR is very nice to have and DirectStorage will be mandatory in a year or two to run modern games.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 25, 2021, 11:18:30 PM
Well I am not fan of any gaming so switching to Linux are fine for my needs of everything except non gaming. I don't play game at all.

Windows 11 upgrading are suitable for heavy gaming pc
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: niemand on June 26, 2021, 12:05:09 AM
TPM is fine. Secure Boot is a good idea. Those plus the other security enhancements in 11 will hopefully make the life of malware authors harder.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 26, 2021, 12:27:38 AM
Well I am not fan of any gaming so switching to Linux are fine for my needs of everything except non gaming. I don't play game at all.

Windows 11 upgrading are suitable for heavy gaming pc

I'm literally using Windows, MacOS and Fedora these days - mostly (and preferring) the latter.  The trick is to know the right tool for the job, brand loyalty is for fools.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: banger on June 26, 2021, 12:36:55 AM
The checker tool has been updated to give more detail on what fails compatibility.

https://t.co/hTWMe16DWO?amp=1
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Chrysalis on June 26, 2021, 03:01:56 AM
TPM is fine. Secure Boot is a good idea. Those plus the other security enhancements in 11 will hopefully make the life of malware authors harder.

What are the other security enhancements? I didnt watch the event and the only things people talk about are TPM and secure boot.

I agree secure boot probably should be required.

The only thing that puts me off, is all the padding around everything, which is very wasteful of screen real estate, and the removal of option to set small icons on the taskbar.  Microsoft seem obsessed with making a desktop OS to work with touch devices, instead of two separate OS builds for them.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: parkdale on June 26, 2021, 10:26:54 AM
I noticed that when the MS compatibility checker was installed, my PC would not turn off  ??? ??? ???
It would just keep returning to the desktop, even reboot...
Uninstalled it, now is all ok!  :)
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: niemand on June 26, 2021, 12:58:43 PM
Other security enhancements include increased use of virtualisation / Hyper-V, more use of control flow heuristics and making use of newer CPU functionality.

TPM is a good foundation and I would point out that our mobile devices have similar functionality.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Bowdon on June 26, 2021, 02:16:16 PM
I will get Windows 11. But I can see me going right up to the 2025 end of Windows 10 service date before I buy a new computer.

It's just a shame that millions of working windows computers will now be out of security updates in 4 years.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: tubaman on June 26, 2021, 02:38:27 PM
Looks like I'll be running Win 10 until 2025 or until my hardware dies, whichever comes first.
Of my three Win 10 machines only one looks like it will be upgradable; a 2017 Dell laptop with an i5-7300HQ and TPM 2.0. The other two are rather ancient in PC terms, sporting an i3-3110m and an AMD A10-5700K respectively. They date from 2012 but are still just fine for basic everyday use - the AMD machine still has a spinning HDD  ;D
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Chrysalis on June 26, 2021, 03:20:58 PM
Other security enhancements include increased use of virtualisation / Hyper-V, more use of control flow heuristics and making use of newer CPU functionality.

TPM is a good foundation and I would point out that our mobile devices have similar functionality.

I have had a little read now, so they enabling features already available by default such as HVCI.

It is a step forward security wise, although at the same time they will still have all the wrappers and no enabled by default Applocker.

I can understand more and more now why they doing this as a new windows version instead of just turning it on in Windows 10, these security features dont come free, I had stability issues in microsoft edge (large memory leaks) when it was using isolation during testing, and there is a performance impact, however we at a point where people have been soaking up the cpu performance hits for spectre and other cpu vuln patches, the hardware companies will be loving this as it will sell more hardware to overcome the performance hit.

They are also locking directstorage behind windows 11 keeping with the tradition of hiding gaming API's behind a new OS to get people to shift over.

Hopefully they solve the stability issues (it was a couple of years ago I tested so I expect will be improvements), and any performance hits are mitigated to minimal levels.  I wont be an early adopter of course, I rarely am.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 26, 2021, 03:47:05 PM
Microsoft Windows 11 release and available for beta and inside tester by 28th June say Microsoft
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Chrysalis on June 26, 2021, 03:50:43 PM
Let us know how you get on with it Max. :)
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: niemand on June 26, 2021, 04:59:35 PM
Just a reminder to everyone not to install this over your existing Windows 10 install on machines you use regularly.

Install separately to dual boot, or as a VM. No guarantee there won't be install breaking issues or that any rollback will be possible.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: banger on June 26, 2021, 08:19:00 PM
I've managed to turn on Secure boot. It's not exactly intuitive on my Gigabyte board but eventually worked out what the BIOS error was.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 26, 2021, 08:38:33 PM
I've managed to turn on Secure boot. It's not exactly intuitive on my Gigabyte board but eventually worked out what the BIOS error was.

Secure boot is off on mine but it still says compatible.  We shall see as I've opted my gaming laptop into the Dev channel as I haven't been using it much so not the end of the world if it gets borked.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 26, 2021, 08:41:21 PM
Let us know how you get on with it Max. :)

I am not installing windows 11 as I don't want it. I am using Linux
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: g3uiss on June 26, 2021, 10:58:18 PM
Really !
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: banger on June 27, 2021, 01:06:03 AM
Signed my Laptop up to the Insider Program at Beta level. Still want a useable OS.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 27, 2021, 01:08:26 AM
Signed my Laptop up to the Insider Program at Beta level. Still want a useable OS.

 ;D ;D lol
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 27, 2021, 01:03:02 PM
Updated: I test it on my 20 years old laptop and it worked!  ;D

Bypass TPM and SecureBoot when installing Windows 11 on unsupported hardware:

During installation press Shift+F10, open registry and create key LabConfig under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Setup

There add:
"BypassTPMCheck"=dword:00000001
"BypassSecureBootCheck"=dword:00000001
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Bowdon on June 27, 2021, 01:46:46 PM
I've had this program recommended to me as being better than Microsoft's Healthcheck program to check to see if Windows 11 will work.

https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11 (https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11)

It's called WhyNotWin11

It shows a graphical check list to show all the requirements and if you're computer as them.

Mine fails because of the CPU not being supported and I have no TPM.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 27, 2021, 02:42:11 PM
Same here as it won't work with my old cpu - Intel i7 2700K
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 27, 2021, 05:41:05 PM
The CPU thing is a curious one because I know the H67 chipset can support TPM (if your motherboard has the socket), so I wonder what instructions specifically Microsoft are planning to use that are not supported by these old CPUs?

Its annoying everyone is suddenly scalping TPM modules or I'd get one to try in one of my older PCs to see what the checker says, but they're literally going for up to £80 on eBay now which is insane as we don't even know if a single motherboard that DOESN'T support TPM built-in will even work with Win11 retail yet.  Even £40 is too much as they were about £12 before the announcement.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: banger on June 27, 2021, 05:48:53 PM
Full greens after converting to GPT and Secure Boot. Things may change.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 27, 2021, 05:49:17 PM
It's all about pure GREEDY money by Microsoft. Funny is open source Linux operating system does work with 40 years old PC with very old hardware!
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: gt94sss2 on June 27, 2021, 06:09:06 PM
Mine fails because of the CPU not being supported

Yes, I hope the list of supported CPUs supported increases over time, otherwise a lot of hardware that could run Win11 won't.

At the moment, MS seem to be limiting it to CPUs produced in the last couple of years only.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: maxheadroom on June 27, 2021, 06:41:57 PM
According to the MS pc check my Ryzen 5 2400 CPU is too old but i do have TPM and see something like the second image below.

Do any of of you think this CPU may be up to the job if like posted above -
Quote
I hope the list of supported CPUs supported increases over time



(https://i.postimg.cc/qqdf2Qjs/ryzen-5.jpg)



The TPM management tool built into Windows will show you whether your PC has a TPM. To open it, press Windows+R to open a run dialog window. Type tpm.msc into it and press Enter to launch the tool.

(https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/img_586d5b1d1d4d6.png?trim=1,1&bg-color=000&pad=1,1)
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 27, 2021, 06:46:23 PM
It's all about pure GREEDY money by Microsoft. Funny is open source Linux operating system does work with 40 years old PC with very old hardware!

I think its more about trying to finally get on top of Windows security issues.  Android, iOS, MacOS, they all already are locked down in this way, its just a lot more complicated to achieve on a platform that historically was so open and poorly written, when it comes to security.

They've been working on getting as much code restricted to user mode as possible for years now, I suspect this is just the next step in their security lock down.  I just hope this means Bitlocker will finally be available to Home users.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 27, 2021, 06:52:32 PM
According to the MS pc check my Ryzen 5 2400 CPU is too old but i do have TPM and see something like the second image below.

Its already been mentioned on a lot of sites how strangely all Zen 1 CPU/SoC seem to be missing off the list which is utterly bizarre when much older Intel CPUs ARE supported.  It surely must be an oversight?
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: maxheadroom on June 27, 2021, 07:54:02 PM
I have checked the Windows 10 and 11 requirements and as you say it doesn't seem to make sense.

Windows 10 -

(https://i.postimg.cc/qMNbpW0z/rw10.jpg)



Windows 11 -

(https://i.postimg.cc/SsQd3vDQ/rw11.jpg)
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: jelv on June 27, 2021, 10:46:02 PM
I'd take the list of compatible processors with a huge pinch of salt.

My i5-4460 CPU isn't listed against any versions of Windows on this page https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements, so the fact that I am sitting typing in Win 10 20H2 must be a figment of my imagination.

I'd suggest that if your CPU isn't listed for Win 11 but it meets all the other requirements, check if it is listed for Win 10 before you get too worried.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 28, 2021, 12:07:34 AM
The problem is the official compatibility checker seems to be using that list!
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Bowdon on June 28, 2021, 12:16:20 AM
I suspect the CPU list might be increased before launch day.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 28, 2021, 01:13:58 AM
Its just stupid releasing a compatibility checker at all if its incomplete.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: tubaman on June 28, 2021, 08:13:26 AM
I'd take the list of compatible processors with a huge pinch of salt.

My i5-4460 CPU isn't listed against any versions of Windows on this page https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements, so the fact that I am sitting typing in Win 10 20H2 must be a figment of my imagination.

I'd suggest that if your CPU isn't listed for Win 11 but it meets all the other requirements, check if it is listed for Win 10 before you get too worried.

Likewise, don't tell my i3-3110m or my AMD A10-5700K that they are running 20H2 illegally!
In fact neither or those CPUs appear in any of the compatibility lists and yet both are post Win 7 release by a long way. Total nonsense!
 ;D
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 28, 2021, 01:00:43 PM
Maybe EU will banned Microsoft force people's into account sign up, TPM must be in use etc but I know UK no longer with EU because With Microsoft's permission, OEMs can ship Windows 11 PCs without TPM are totally unfair treat with customers who already purchased new pc and build pc but must required to have TPM enabled in order to install Windows 11.
 
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: maxheadroom on June 28, 2021, 06:18:29 PM

I'd suggest that if your CPU isn't listed for Win 11 but it meets all the other requirements, check if it is listed for Win 10 before you get too worried.

In post #59 i posted i have the Ryzen 5 - 2400 which is shown in  screen shot one for windows 10 (post #62) but is missing in screen shot two for windows 11. (post #62)


Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 28, 2021, 06:28:27 PM
Windows 11 are now available on downloading from Microsoft. Windows 11 build 10.0.22000.51 just now
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: tubaman on June 28, 2021, 07:38:59 PM
Windows 11 are now available on downloading from Microsoft. Windows 11 build 10.0.22000.51 just now

For someone who told us back at post #48 that you won't be installing it you seem to be giving this a lot of time.....  ::)
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 28, 2021, 07:42:06 PM
Well I installed on clean ssd and play with it see how it goes
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 28, 2021, 07:46:52 PM
Praise the OS gods, Microsoft got a clue about how to do settings correctly!
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 28, 2021, 07:55:42 PM
For someone who told us back at post #48 that you won't be installing it you seem to be giving this a lot of time.....  ::)

More than that, he said he was using Linux.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: maxheadroom on June 28, 2021, 08:05:15 PM
More than that, he said he was using Linux.

You couldn't make it up.   ::)
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: g3uiss on June 28, 2021, 08:14:41 PM
Yes but Max can  ;D
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: maxheadroom on June 28, 2021, 08:16:41 PM
Yes but Max can  ;D

 ;D
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: banger on June 28, 2021, 08:29:12 PM
Windows 11 are now available on downloading from Microsoft. Windows 11 build 10.0.22000.51 just now

Is this on the Dev channel Max?
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 28, 2021, 08:41:26 PM
Is this on the Dev channel Max?

Yes.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 28, 2021, 09:17:13 PM
Is this on the Dev channel Max?

Yes but I get ISO from it and do full clean install all u do is uup dump from it in hidden files on your C: file system
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: banger on June 28, 2021, 09:51:42 PM
Yes but I get ISO from it and do full clean install all u do is uup dump from it in hidden files on your C: file system

Yes I am familiar with UUP Dump.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 29, 2021, 12:56:47 AM
Did you know u can change taskbar from middle to left side start menu (with left click mouse) similiar to W10 and I can removed annoying widget! Look much better same as W10 taskbar.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: banger on June 29, 2021, 02:10:53 AM
Got the ISO from UUP Dump. It's a pity you cant move the taskbar to your desired position. Seems snappy on a VM.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 29, 2021, 03:29:07 AM
Yes it does seem awfully fast, I wasn't expecting that especially on a dev build that will be logging everything.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 29, 2021, 03:47:54 AM
I managed to get Windows 11 working perfect on old pc Intel i7 2700K Sandybridge without secure boot and TPM.  :P
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 29, 2021, 03:58:43 AM
I managed to get Windows 11 working perfect on old pc Intel i7 2700K Sandybridge without secure boot and TPM.  :P

Microsoft said the dev builds will work as a preview on any hardware meeting the minimum specifications, the retail version will require TPM and Secure Boot however.

Its a bit odd all around as Bitlocker looks to still be missing from Home edition (if I choose that options to takes me to the store to upgrade as on 10) so there is no good reason to force TPM if so.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 29, 2021, 04:03:53 AM
Microsoft said the dev builds will work as a preview on any hardware meeting the minimum specifications, the retail version will require TPM and Secure Boot however.

Its a bit odd all around as Bitlocker looks to still be missing from Home edition (if I choose that options to takes me to the store to upgrade as on 10) so there is no good reason to force TPM if so.

Nah will get it work around it (non require TPM and Secure Boot) don't care what Microsoft want, my PC I choose what I want it to be! The bitlocker still on pro windows 11 but I never bother use it.

Everytime I right click it kept go back twice are the only bug. But it boot up pretty instant fast!
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 29, 2021, 05:37:40 AM
Nah will get it work around it (non require TPM and Secure Boot) don't care what Microsoft want, my PC I choose what I want it to be! The bitlocker still on pro windows 11 but I never bother use it.

Everytime I right click it kept go back twice are the only bug. But it boot up pretty instant fast!

But is it worth that cat and mouse game you may end up with for updates?

I still prefer Linux (Fedora KDE Spin) and only use Windows for gaming and AI upscaling.  The latter I do on the Mac Mini also as its quieter, uses very little power (21W vs 400W on desktop) and doesn't bake my room.

I'd seriously consider if you really need Windows.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: tubaman on June 29, 2021, 09:48:06 AM
But is it worth that cat and mouse game you may end up with for updates?
...
Agree. It's just worth the effort of trying to use it permanently on unsupported hardware - life's too short for that kind of hassle.
I'll be sticking with Win 10 for now and may look at upgrading my only compatible machine once Win 11 has been in full release for a few months.
 :)
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: jelv on June 29, 2021, 11:29:36 AM
Five Windows 10 devices - only one suitable for Windows 11.  :(
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Bowdon on June 29, 2021, 12:29:13 PM
Microsoft as temporarily pulled its health check program that sees if your computer can run Windows 11, because it was too vague and didn't provide the level of detail they wanted. It's supposed to be re-appearing in the 2nd part of the year.

So if people want to use a program to check requirements then download from the link I posted earlier. It updates regularly, and we don't install it. It just runs.

https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11 (https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11)
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on June 29, 2021, 12:34:01 PM
But is it worth that cat and mouse game you may end up with for updates?

I still prefer Linux (Fedora KDE Spin) and only use Windows for gaming and AI upscaling.  The latter I do on the Mac Mini also as its quieter, uses very little power (21W vs 400W on desktop) and doesn't bake my room.

I'd seriously consider if you really need Windows.

One pc AMD Ryzen 7 3700x does ticked all green OK for Windows 11 including secure boot and TPM enabled but I wouldn't bother with W11 because I like Linux Mint on it. The only issues with Linux at the moment is 2.5Gbps ethernet driver kept disappear when updates as I to do manual command to put the driver back on. Also another issues for linux is the graphic card driver some times it can boot up with the correct driver and sometimes the driver wasn't there as I have to rebooted to ensure the driver there.

I only play around with windows 11 then will wiped off ssd when RTM final version thats required both secure and TPM  is needed for older pc. I will use Linux operating system on old pc Intel and new pc AMD.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 30, 2021, 01:58:05 AM
One pc AMD Ryzen 7 3700x does ticked all green OK for Windows 11 including secure boot and TPM enabled but I wouldn't bother with W11 because I like Linux Mint on it. The only issues with Linux at the moment is 2.5Gbps ethernet driver kept disappear when updates as I to do manual command to put the driver back on. Also another issues for linux is the graphic card driver some times it can boot up with the correct driver and sometimes the driver wasn't there as I have to rebooted to ensure the driver there.

I only play around with windows 11 then will wiped off ssd when RTM final version thats required both secure and TPM  is needed for older pc. I will use Linux operating system on old pc Intel and new pc AMD.

That's curious, my Realtek 2.5Gbit USB adapter has been great on Linux - its my 5Gbit Aquantia adapter that's been a pain as it takes so long to initialise my NFS mounts timeout.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: banger on June 30, 2021, 10:37:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSaJfudt8S4

Win 11 on a Lumia Phone. :D
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on July 05, 2021, 04:32:33 PM
I managed tweak to force Windows 11 as the Windows 10. Much better!  ;D :D



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Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on July 05, 2021, 09:41:00 PM
I find it bizarre how after nearly a decade since I stopped updating my Windows Gadget (https://csdprojects.co.uk/sidebar/), we now have Widgets again like its some fancy new thing we've never had before.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on July 06, 2021, 02:01:06 AM
Windows gadget are the one of my favourite one! Windows 11 Widgets are horrible because it all news, sports, weather etc - useless as u can't add some features like CPU, Temp, Weather, Clock similar to gadget.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on July 06, 2021, 03:02:48 AM
Windows gadget are the one of my favourite one! Windows 11 Widgets are horrible because it all news, sports, weather etc - useless as u can't add some features like CPU, Temp, Weather, Clock similar to gadget.

I'd have to figure out what API are using, may be they just havent created a widget for it yet.  Nobody seems to be sure if they will have a third-party API or not right now.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: banger on July 16, 2021, 11:37:49 PM
This is going to get confusing. MS have announced Win 10 21H2 in the Autumn when Win 11 21H2 launches. :|
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on September 29, 2021, 04:36:39 PM
I have decided to stick with windows 10 for now and Linux Mint. Not interested upcoming windows 11 next month final version release.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on September 29, 2021, 04:54:45 PM
I opted into the Release Preview (basically the final version barring any last minute patches) on my gaming PC.

I must say that AutoHDR is really nice on my TV on the games I've tested so far.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on September 29, 2021, 05:18:01 PM
I opted into the Release Preview (basically the final version barring any last minute patches) on my gaming PC.

I must say that AutoHDR is really nice on my TV on the games I've tested so far.

Is the TV 4K HDR (HDR10)?

Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on September 29, 2021, 10:34:35 PM
Is the TV 4K HDR (HDR10)?

Yes.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: adslmax on September 30, 2021, 01:27:09 AM
That's good I got the same TV with 4K UHD with HDR10 but the TV are too big for Windows 11 as it 60" TV
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on September 30, 2021, 02:29:48 AM
Its such a huge difference as PC games have pathetic support for HDR compared to consoles.

Its particularly stunning on Pinball FX3 as already the tables are really close to photo realistic and HDR pushes it even closer by making the lights on the table really stand out more realistically.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Chrysalis on October 01, 2021, 03:53:06 AM
What doesnt help the PC market for HDR, is that the monitor market is years behind the TV market, The only good HDR screens I have seen are effectively TVs.

The manufacturers also seem to think its only worth making quality screens in huge sizes.
Title: Re: Windows 11 Live Event
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on October 01, 2021, 04:31:26 PM
Agreed.  I have two monitors claiming HDR400 support, you never ever want to turn it on as it looks worse than sticking to SDR.  Especially as my TV is OLED.

You don't necessarily need 1000 nits brightness for it to look good, but you absolutely need a LOT of dimming zones, which is only available on monitors costing as much as my TV.

I had to increase to 28" to get a 4K 144Hz monitor as apparently 24" has fallen out of fashion.  I'm somewhat glad as my eyesight is getting worse and the pandemic has meant I can't get new glasses but still, monitor sizes are getting a bit crazy when the best ones only come in 32".  That's FAR too large for desktop use and if you're only gaming, an OLED TV makes a lot more sense in that price range.