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Title: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Floydoid on April 15, 2021, 05:29:36 PM
Yesterday I did the usual monthly Windows 10 updates, which have always been OK before.  However the latest - KB5001330 - seems to have given me some problems in that the PC would hang on at boot up, and eventually having to go through the repair procedure. So for now I have uninstalled it, and it seems OK so far.

I'm just really posting this in case anyone else has any problems with it.  An internet search doesn't bring up anything specific so far for this particular update.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: parkdale on April 15, 2021, 05:46:39 PM
I have installed on my Comp, no issues so far :fingers: Windows 10 Snip has moved to a new location and a few minor fixes.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Floydoid on April 15, 2021, 05:48:56 PM
I'll wait and see if they issue a patch for it... could be just one of those things.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Floydoid on April 15, 2021, 05:59:04 PM
On a side note after a bit of googling about this I've discovered that it is actually possible to disable Windows 10 updates, rather sneakily tho. It involves changing your connection type to 'metered', as detailed here.

https://www.itechguides.com/windows-10-not-booting-after-update/#How_to_Stop_Windows_Updates_Reinstalling
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: parkdale on April 15, 2021, 06:02:28 PM
Have you run sfc /scannow?
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: g3uiss on April 15, 2021, 06:04:01 PM
Not had any issuers on the W10 or Server 2019 machines so far. You can adjust updates via GPO lots of options there. If you need help most is on Google

Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Floydoid on April 15, 2021, 06:11:15 PM
Have you run sfc /scannow?


Not got that far yet - I'll see how it behaves in the interim, as I suspect it's an odd bug with the update, and nothing more sinister than that.  After I did the repair at boot up I got into windows but experienced the same problem the next time I booted up, but as I said removing the update seems to have worked for now.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Floydoid on April 15, 2021, 06:19:32 PM
Not had any issuers on the W10 or Server 2019 machines so far. You can adjust updates via GPO lots of options there. If you need help most is on Google

What is GPO?

Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: g3uiss on April 15, 2021, 06:25:08 PM
Group policy you can set deferral dates for updates and 6 monthly feature updates. Run gpedit.msc can provide help if you can’t find it.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Floydoid on April 15, 2021, 06:35:13 PM
Ah yes, of course!
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: parkdale on April 15, 2021, 06:41:13 PM
What winver are you on? (Windows Version) mines at 19042.928
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Floydoid on April 15, 2021, 06:57:41 PM
I'm at 19042.867 (32 bit version).
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on April 15, 2021, 09:52:55 PM
Can't be many people running 32bit these days, likely gets a lot less testing.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: g3uiss on April 15, 2021, 10:38:32 PM
Yes that’s a good point I didn’t know 32 bit still supported !
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: banger on April 15, 2021, 11:37:27 PM
I'm at 19042.867 (32 bit version).

My 32 bit never presented the update in windows update yet other updates downloaded and installed. I had to go to Windows Catalog and download the 32 bit updater manually. No boot problems after install though. 64 bit machines no probs.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on April 16, 2021, 06:40:54 AM
My 32 bit never presented the update in windows update yet other updates downloaded and installed. I had to go to Windows Catalog and download the 32 bit updater manually. No boot problems after install though. 64 bit machines no probs.

In my experience if an update isn't presented over windows update, it means Microsoft aren't convinced its stable yet.  Quite ironic considering how many updates have proven to be broken that did auto update.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: banger on April 16, 2021, 08:59:04 PM
In my experience if an update isn't presented over windows update, it means Microsoft aren't convinced its stable yet.  Quite ironic considering how many updates have proven to be broken that did auto update.

I was thinking CPU WU check as it has a pretty old CPU. But the manual package installed fine.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on April 16, 2021, 10:55:25 PM
I was thinking CPU WU check as it has a pretty old CPU. But the manual package installed fine.

There has been cases also where Windows Update cannot upgrade properly and the forced update does it slightly differently somehow so causes less issues.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Bowdon on April 17, 2021, 11:14:03 AM
I just paused this update for 7 days after reading the thread and this article;

https://betanews.com/2021/04/16/kb5001330-update-for-windows-10-is-causing-performance-problems-and-other-issues/ (https://betanews.com/2021/04/16/kb5001330-update-for-windows-10-is-causing-performance-problems-and-other-issues/)

It makes me wonder what the state of the code is in the windows OS.

I'm thinking with so many conflicts these days that the code will be a mess.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on April 17, 2021, 02:45:55 PM
Its my understanding the reason they have so many problems these days is they are trying to tidy up the code, move of as much to user mode as possible to avoid hard crashes and security holes.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Floydoid on April 17, 2021, 04:59:32 PM
Ah so it's not just me then - we need to keep an eye on it for now. As I mentioned earlier in the thread I have paused Windows updates for now.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Floydoid on April 17, 2021, 05:03:48 PM
Good old Windows Central seem to be on the case too.

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-uninstall-update-kb5001330-fix-issues-windows-10
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Floydoid on April 17, 2021, 05:20:37 PM
In some of the articles it mentions about about using Group Policy editor, which however is not a component of Windows 10 Home, though it can be enabled (https://www.majorgeeks.com/content/page/enable_group_policy_editor_in_windows_10_home_edition.html). The problem I find with this is that the windows updates settings are still hidden.

However, I found this handy little stand-alone app which is described as Group Policy Editor on steroids.

https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/policy_plus.html

I shall be having a tinker.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: g3uiss on April 17, 2021, 07:02:46 PM
Yes with Home much of the GPO is missing. However you can download the policy files to get the same functionality.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Chrysalis on April 20, 2021, 05:11:12 AM
In some of the articles it mentions about about using Group Policy editor, which however is not a component of Windows 10 Home, though it can be enabled (https://www.majorgeeks.com/content/page/enable_group_policy_editor_in_windows_10_home_edition.html). The problem I find with this is that the windows updates settings are still hidden.

However, I found this handy little stand-alone app which is described as Group Policy Editor on steroids.

https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/policy_plus.html

I shall be having a tinker.

Nice find, I think even for users of pro, education, enterprise that app could be handy, the normal policy editor is lacking in UI quality.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Bowdon on April 20, 2021, 12:43:28 PM
I'm using Pro so I changed the Group Policy so ask me before it downloads updates.

I had to help a friend who was using Home. It had already installed on her computer. So I had her Pause the updates, then uninstall KB5001330.

I find its better to Pause the updates before removing the file otherwise after the computer reboots Windows will try and redownload it.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Bowdon on April 21, 2021, 03:06:41 PM
As anyone seen any updates to this problem?

I don't think Microsoft have acknowledged it, even though KB5001330 is all over the different forums, especially gaming focused ones, complaining about it and giving instructions to uninstall it.

I put it on the 7 day pause. But at this rate it'll run out on the 24th so I'm going to have to extend the period.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Floydoid on April 21, 2021, 06:22:27 PM
Not as yet.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Floydoid on April 21, 2021, 06:27:25 PM
If you go to settings / updates & security / advanced options, you can extend the pause period to around 35 days.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on April 21, 2021, 07:15:39 PM
Making me nervous as I will be doing a fresh install tomorrow, if its included in the current ISO I'll be stuffed.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: g3uiss on April 21, 2021, 09:03:07 PM
Think the current iso is February
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on April 21, 2021, 10:56:09 PM
Though I do have KB5001330 installed on my PC at the moment and haven't had any issues.  I think I even played Cyberpunk 2077 since then and it seemed fine.

I will probably install, let it update, and see if everything goes pear shaped.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Floydoid on April 22, 2021, 06:36:04 PM
There's a handy guide here - he does waffle on a bit, but gets there in the end.

https://www.briteccomputers.co.uk/posts/windows-10-crashing-after-latest-update-kb5001330/
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on April 23, 2021, 12:31:45 AM
The ISO seemed to still be November which I guess makes sense.

Unfortunately I'm having performance issues BEFORE that update though, possibly due to scan.co.uk in their infinite wisdom putting a 95W TDP cooler on a 105W TDP CPU.

Man its a PITA having to reinstall half a dozen launchers.  Will never understand the people who go on about how much better PC gaming is to consoles, I use both because sometimes you just want stuff to work without all this hassle.

Anyway to stay on topic, now fully updated so will see if its any worse/better as I know AMD tends to need more OS updates than Intel to get the best out of their CPUs due to needing process scheduling tweaks due to their chiplet design.  Fortunately I have my Zen referral credit so can easily buy a new cooler if necessary, but waiting to see what Scan have to say for themselves first.  I mean seriously, an Akasa cooler, they've always been considered the absolute lowest budget brand in my experience.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on April 23, 2021, 05:41:15 AM
Worth noting that I tried the game I was having problems with again after all updates were installed (including the problematic one mentioned in the topic) and its now fine.

As it was an online-only game, it "possibly" could have been a fluke where it decided to connect over the 4G WAN (1 in 3 chance) and latency caused the stuttering.  Although I wasn't participating in an online event at the time, you never know how these games work when they force you to be online.  All progress is saved server-side so its possible it still keeps you fully online during these events.  Though the strange thing was, it wasn't stuttering in the open world, only when I started an event.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Chrysalis on April 24, 2021, 08:51:14 PM
after 10 day delay my laptop is installing kb5001342 the cumulative update for LTSC, since I am not sure if this contains the same breakages as the 20H2 version I wont put it on my PC at the moment.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Bowdon on April 26, 2021, 11:25:58 AM
Apparently there is a fix out after Microsoft begrudgingly acknowledged it in one of the information pages.

They are also using a different method to correct the code by not going via Windows Update, so it makes it more difficult if their fix is applied. It can been seen using the registry.

https://hothardware.com/news/microsoft-fix-windows-10-kb5001330-gaming-slowdowns (https://hothardware.com/news/microsoft-fix-windows-10-kb5001330-gaming-slowdowns)

If anyone downloaded the update previously, and you're confident looking in the registry, can you see if the fix as been applied to you?

Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Floydoid on April 26, 2021, 01:05:17 PM
This is also useful:

https://www.neowin.net/news/how-to-block-kb5001330-patch-tuesday-update-affecting-game-performance/
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: Bowdon on May 15, 2021, 12:27:30 PM
After pausing the updates until today I resumed the updates.

Only the May update was available KB5003173, not the April KB5001330 update.

So far all went well.

I noticed some people on the forums have complained about the May update failing to install and giving a Windows error 0x800f0922 . This error is caused if you have manually removed the old Microsoft Edge, as part of this update (as in the April update) was to update Edge to Edge Chromium.
Title: Re: April 2021 Updates
Post by: g3uiss on May 16, 2021, 05:26:06 PM
The roll ups are cumulative so you only get the latest.