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Broadband Related => FTTP Rollout => Topic started by: daveesh1 on December 16, 2020, 07:10:35 AM
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Had third party contractor Mapgroup on our estate today putting in draw rope through all the existing bt man holes could this be the start of the fttp arrival 🤞
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Seems very likely.
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Lets hope a belated xmas present :fingers:
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Most likely.
Check https://one.network/ for local roadworks (best registering for free to check months in to the future) or openreach.com to see if your address is in scope.
If it's a newer build (under 25-30 years old) then it should hopefully be a very straight forward deployment.
Roughly what area? It may be on the official list. Many new builds get done even if the area isn't in plans.
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That's the thing been checking one.network on a regular basis nothing on there apart from duct unblocking for next week on a older part of the estate so was surprised to see the contractors pulling in draw rope. It is a new estate built in 2006 not far from Northampton. Can't find anything about fibre on the superfast Northamptonshire website but the BT fibre first website says we are starting to build in your Area. BT availability checker says FTTP not available and not a Fibre first exchange. Hopefully it is on its way
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Could be part of the retro new build work.
It's quick and easy to deploy and will likely go live before the Fibre First work in Northampton.
My development was done under this work despite there being no FTTP rollout on my patch.
They have covered the vast majority of new builds around me now.
No surprise there's nothing on one.network as the ducts are new and should be clear, there shouldn't be any need for roadworks permits.
Mapgroup are 1 of the subcontractors OpenReach are using for the FTTP build so looks like it's coming to you. :)
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:clap:Hopefully, as my Johnlewis contract runs out end of Jan so may just go month to month if it will not be too long. Will try and speak to the guys when they do my road
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Lets hope a belated xmas present :fingers:
Next Xmas :hmm:
Our village work started in the first Lockdown in May, some months later It's in 'Testing' and should imagine it's going to be Next year before I can order.
So do not expect anything to happen soon as there is many many man hours to get not just your street but a whole wider area lit up when it goes live..
What area are you ?.
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Understand that it won't happen overnight and it can be smooth sailing or a rough road. I am in Kettering Northamptonshire
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I received a letter from B.T. today telling me that I could order FTTP from them now, for less than £30 p/m. Am not sure if that includes a PSTN line or not. But I am with Sky FTTC for the next year, and am paying a lower price than that, for a speed that is more than enough for my needs at this time. Hopefully other people in my road will be interested in the B.T. offer, and this may help the reliability of my line!
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That could be a postive spin on it more people that take up fttp less cross talk will effect vdsl lines resulting in a higher speed think I will still take fttp as and when
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That's the thing been checking one.network on a regular basis nothing on there apart from duct unblocking for next week on a older part of the estate so was surprised to see the contractors pulling in draw rope. It is a new estate built in 2006 not far from Northampton. Can't find anything about fibre on the superfast Northamptonshire website but the BT fibre first website says we are starting to build in your Area. BT availability checker says FTTP not available and not a Fibre first exchange. Hopefully it is on its way
The only PON's in scope at this minute for Kettering, are new-sites and retro new sites. So as j0hn mentions, you will fall under the RNS programme if work is being carried out regarding FTTP ??
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Thanks Black sheep will just have to wait and see what happens in the new year
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Which means it "should be" a shorter wait and very unlikely to be anywhere near as long as Xmas 2021 as mooted above.
The new build and retro new site work is so much quicker to deploy compared to the general rollout provided no major issues crop up.
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Happy New year guys well thought FTTP was coming but looks like our postcode not included. Near yet so far if they just gone that extra 5 meter. Looks like I will be re-contracting my second line for a further 12 months
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Is there a definitive schedule anywhere that indicates timeframe for FTTP in all locations ?
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Not that is available to general public that I am aware of
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Is there a definitive schedule anywhere that indicates timeframe for FTTP in all locations ?
Openreach.com gives a very rough guide to some already announced areas, telling you if it's in planning, build or complete.
There's nothing for an individual street or address that gives any timeframe.
Again openreach.com gives very little info at the address level.
It's not coming (not in scope, exploring solutions).
FTTP coming.
FTTP available.
If your area hasn't been announced by OpenReach yet then it could be 2-3 years or it could be 10-15 years.
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Is there a definitive schedule anywhere that indicates timeframe for FTTP in all locations ?
To add to John's answer the only other place that you may be able to draw some information from is https://one.network/ Create a free account and that lets you view further than two weeks ahead, look for telephone symbols and work related to PON's, although descriptions seem to vary. Be aware that even though you can look at up to 12 months ahead it doesn't mean every company plans their work permits 12 months in advance. If your area isn't covered then your council or county council website should have something similar.
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Should we be expecting another FTTP update shortly? I think Openreach update it every three months?
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I've been in contact with Openreach directly myself for my area and gotten information from the area manager. Even then they said they will only have a rough idea of when the area might go live once I see fibre actually being fitted on my street.
Their aim from start to finish is around 18 months for the exchange once actual rollout has started.
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Confirmation from Openreach FTTP is on it way:-
I’ve looked into your enquiry and the great news is that we will have some fantastic connectivity options for your home. I can see the fibre equipment you’re connected to is getting an upgrade. This will give you fibre to the premises.
Our engineering will take place over the coming months. If everything goes to plan, fibre broadband should be available to order by the end of July 2021.
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To add to John's answer the only other place that you may be able to draw some information from is https://one.network/ Create a free account and that lets you view further than two weeks ahead, look for telephone symbols and work related to PON's, although descriptions seem to vary. Be aware that even though you can look at up to 12 months ahead it doesn't mean every company plans their work permits 12 months in advance. If your area isn't covered then your council or county council website should have something similar.
One.network emailed me last week saying their service is changing.
Important: a change to transport data regulations
Hi there,
We're writing to tell you about a change that's coming to data sharing regulations, because it's going to affect your use of the one.network platform.
We're working in partnership with Street Manager, the Department for Transport's digital service for registering roadworks, to understand these developments and what they'll mean for you.
Click below to read about the changes.
https://onenetworkhq.medium.com/all-change-at-street-manager-and-the-department-for-transport-cf7f977af18
We’re working collaboratively with the DfT, and with our customers, to understand what this means for one.network users. But the likelihood is that we’ll no longer be able to display the same amount of information to everybody.
Here are some of the changes we’re expecting to see.
Some information will have to be removed for users who aren’t logged in*
Some information will be reserved for users who belong to a one.network subscribing organisation
Some information we can only share with users whose organisations are part of Street Manager
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I've had the same email, unfortunately most of us are losing a good source of information :(
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I wonder if this is some half-assed approach to reduce the ability for 5G tinfoil hat nutcases to target telecom engineers?
If so its stupid as I'm sure most of the attacks are opportunistic rather than planned. Though I suppose there is merit to trying to avoid it escalating.
Honestly though, I'd be willing to send them a scan of my drivers license to keep access to those details, that should be enough really.
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Yes I've had the same email, still cant see why they need to do this!
Stuart
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It may be certain companies not wanting deployment information known, I'm sure I read something that implied it was due to sensitive commercial information. But then surely any company that might benefit from that information would still have full access.
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It may be certain companies not wanting deployment information known, I'm sure I read something that implied it was due to sensitive commercial information. But then surely any company that might benefit from that information would still have full access.
Virgin getting upset that Openreach can see when they are "extending existing network"? But like you said, they would STILL be able to see it as its only people not in the industry that lose access.
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Contractors back today pulling fibre on my street so hopefully June deadline looking possible
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Again openreach.com gives very little info at the address level.
It's not coming (not in scope, exploring solutions).
FTTP coming.
FTTP available.
It's worse than that, as my own address, inspite of being served by VDSL and in the midst of a fibre rollout locally, was flipping between various states no VDSL, VDSL, Fibre coming, and back again to VDSL and no VDSL at various random times over the last 6 months. 2 days ago it went live for ordering, and just ordered today! :)
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After checking the Fibre First and adsl checker websites daily it is finally enabled. Ordered place first available install date is May ;D ;D ;D
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Nice one, congrats. I'm waiting my connection eagerly now - end of April for outside and beginning of May for inside. Good luck with the install, hope all goes well for you.
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Cheers bogor and yours as well. I am lead to believe it is a 1 stage install
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Cheers bogor and yours as well. I am lead to believe it is a 1 stage install
When I ordered mine Zen initially told me 1 stage install, but the information on the Openreach checker (https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL/AddressHome (https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL/AddressHome)) told a different story. This line usually indicates 2 stage at least: "Our records show the following FTTP network service information for these premises:-Single Dwelling Unit Residential UG Pre built to curtilage Hard.". It's going to turn out to be a 3 stage install - civils work then outside then inside...
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There's certainly some merit for people who are pole fed, so much simpler.
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There's certainly some merit for people who are pole fed, so much simpler.
I guess things are easier if pole fed, though a lot more unsightly IMHO for the street in general. At the end of my road there is a street of terraced houses that are all pole fed, the streets just look a bit of a mess. Though the CBTs strapped to the front of buildings look pretty gash, too. Workmanship on the ones round here is pretty poor, particularly in getting the cables into capping and up to the CBT at high level.
I didn't see any indication that the OP was pole fed.
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Deff served by 2.5" underground plastic dct 1 stage install and the chamber that servers me and 5 other houses with the cbt n is in the payment right outside my front door easy pull just need to decide on ONT position.
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Easy life then. We can compare notes once hooked up. Who've you signed up with and what package?
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I have stayed with BT gone for full fibre 500 and halo 3.at 49.99.As my employer contributes towards broadband bill I need a vat bill looking at other providers they would either not give one or charge extra. Who have youbgone with
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I've gone with Zen on the 900/115 package. I particularly wanted the high upload to VPN to my office which has an 80/80 connection.
I'm currently with EE on VDSL and I was a bit paranoid that a BT group company might result in something happening to my copper service / phone line in the way of a migration or something. I wanted that left well alone until I'm happy the FTTP is robust. Probably unfounded but all the providers under BT seemed to want to know my phone number!
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Wel two guys turned up yesterday and 0ulled fibre from cgt o outside. Just need to wait till May for install date.
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Wel two guys turned up yesterday and 0ulled fibre from cgt o outside. Just need to wait till May for install date.
So close yet so far! :)
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I Know
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Sooo jealous .....In our area FTTP means Fast Train To Pain
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After patiently ;D waiting for mine (order placed in Jan) it was installed on Monday :)
(https://www.speedtest.net/result/11063285695.png)
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Got a TXT message yesterday to say my install had been brought forward to 8th April happy days ;D
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Ooh that's awesome. Hopefully I might get one too!
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Install completed this morning quick speed test was 490 and 49 on the 500 package :D. Now when i get 5 mins to connected into PF Sense
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Congrats!
I think only on an Internet subject can I say.. Happy Speeding :)
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Can't stop doing speed test ;D
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Lovely jubbly! In happy related news, I've been contacted today by Zen who've managed to pull the date forward. So hopefully will be joining you in the fast lane soon. :)
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Good news :fingers: all goes well
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Ordered 300 today, Zen say it will take 4 weeks... hopefully all goes well. I didn't see the point in the extra money for 900 especially hearing people only getting 400 on their 900 lines.
Upgrading from FTTC which only runs at 38/12 so a rather big upgrade.
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Ordered 300 today, Zen say it will take 4 weeks... hopefully all goes well. I didn't see the point in the extra money for 900 especially hearing people only getting 400 on their 900 lines.
I've not seen anyone saying that unless you mean single-threaded, everyone getting over 900 multi-threaded and remember that even if a single client only gets 400, that means another client can do 400 at the same time with 100 to spare - so your latency will still be good.
In an ideal world we would always have slightly more bandwidth than we need to avoid ever getting bufferbloat/latency issues. If you can do everything you need to do without having to enable QoS on the router, that's a win IMO and another reduction in latency. Especially useful for audio and video chat.
Not saying it was worth 900 in your case, but if you chose 300 because you thought 900 wasn't delivering 900, you're mistaken.
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In my case, sub-optimal config in Windows (caused by some changes the Hamachi VPN client makes on install.... grrrr) were resulting in poor single thread results at 900mbit on my FTTP. QOS and IDS settings in the router also hobbling the performance.
Once that was sorted (receive window autotune and RSS), it was possible it seems to get very fast single threaded performance.
This was single threaded measured on a Linux Ubuntu live disc, well over 800mbit/sec.
(https://www.speedtest.net/result/11268134305.png)
Windows was limiting single thread performance to about 60mbit/sec (still comparatively fast in UK internet terms). Fast.com could only achieve around 500mbit/sec as it defaults to 8 threads (8x 60=480).
And of course, if you only use wireless, then your wireless throughput is another significant factor.
I think the moral of the story is that unless you're lucky and everything aligns, you might well not get 900mbit / sec out of a 900mbit connection, but there is a very large chance that the issues are in your network or computer config, and not in the service. Unfortunately many folk will never work out this sort of thing as tuning a gigabit level network is beyond the reach of many.
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Welcome to the club Bogof ::)
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I think the moral of the story is that unless you're lucky and everything aligns, you might well not get 900mbit / sec out of a 900mbit connection, but there is a very large chance that the issues are in your network or computer config, and not in the service. Unfortunately many folk will never work out this sort of thing as tuning a gigabit level network is beyond the reach of many.
Fortunately that's still only one client though, so if you are a household full of people streaming or updating their games library, you'll still get the full benefit.
I find that with three WAN connections, quite often only two ever get loaded up at a time by say the games consoles. But with a bit of tweaking to the policy routing, all three connections still get a good workout overall.
Its far less of an issue with a single WAN, already heard of people easily doing 900Mbit on Xbox Series downloads. Steam, UPlay and Epic can easily max all three of my connections as it is.
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Welcome to the club Bogof ::)
Thanks, enjoying the fast lane! :) :)
Fortunately that's still only one client though, so if you are a household full of people streaming or updating their games library, you'll still get the full benefit.
Yes, but unfortunately most folk will just judge their speed by whatever they see on the screen from their laptop / computer / whatever, which is where the issues arise. Chances are unless they're obsessed with using and old and underpowered router that the ISP router will probably route the full line rate.
The OR guy who did my connection was telling me he'd recently been somewhere with a complaint of not getting the full 900mbit, and the homeowner got a sizeable bill due to the issue being with their own equipment. Until ISPs standardize on providing some kind of test capability directly in the router interfaces that sort of thing (and opinions like the one you were replying to) will continue.
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The router manufacturers got us into this situation. First they slapped "Gigabit" on the front simply because the router has Gigabit ports, now they add up the combined maximum link rate of all the WiFi networks together. All the while the actual NAT speed can be significantly less than Gigabit.
I don't see this problem going away any time soon. Even as a technical user its hard to find out the NAT speed of most routers without actually owning one and testing it. Its what drove me to generic x86 routers in the first place.
Though I came full circle as I originally used an old Compaq desktop to NAT dialup, back when NAT was "experimental" in the kernel and I would install Slackware from a billion floppies.
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There's a lot of people not getting the full speed. I don't know if I can link to other forums on here? If so I can provide multiple threads.
The reason I mainly need better than FTTC is two reasons.
1. My FTTC connection is terrible. Not only do I get half the speed I should but it constantly disconnects. About 5x per day. It got a lot worse when a new housing estate got built in between the cabinet and my house. If it rains heavily, or the wind is heavy, it will disconnect and reconnect. If there's a storm it will disconnect and not come back for days. My Asus router (DSL-AC68u) wouldn't even work with the line, it is that bad. I have to use bridged HG612 just to get the internet to work. And my ping is 40ms which is terrible for gaming.
2. I mainly use the internet for watching Plex from a dedicated server I own. I actually own two, one in the Netherlands (Leaseweb) and one in Germany (Hetzner). You're supposed to "direct play" streams but my internet is too slow for movies, so I have to transcode and set a limit of 12mbps, on a 1080p movie, otherwise it buffers constantly. 4K is just out of the question. If more than one person in my household watches a 12mbps stream, it buffers. Despite syncing at ~38mbps. 300mbps will allow us to both watch at once, a direct stream of a 1080p Remux for example is around 30mbps per user. Call it 70mpbs total...leaves 230mbps overhead. Hell if we both streamed 4k...180mbps total, 120mbps overhead. Perfect!
Other than the occasional pacman update and Steam game install, I really won't see the extra 600mbps. I can always upgrade it anyway. Ping wise I've seen results from 4ms to 18ms, which is half of what I get now on my faulty connection.
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As already mentioned, anyone not getting full speed its more than likely their end that is the problem, nothing actually wrong with the service. I wouldn't say "multiple threads" is a LOT of people, considering how widespread these services are now, that's still going to be a minority.
Personally I keep my Plex server at home, so having 110Mbit upload would be extremely useful for me to access it when out of the house (assuming its ever safe to do that again).
I'm not doubting that 500Mbit is good enough for your situation, but I don't think these reports of speed issues should play any part in your decision making process because as already pointed out, its almost guaranteed to be a misunderstanding from the end user of how the service works, a bad router or trying to get full speed over WiFi. There are people on this forum a lot more knowledgeable about how all this works.
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My Asus router (DSL-AC68u) wouldn't even work with the line, it is that bad. I have to use bridged HG612 just to get the internet to work.
If that Asus device uses a MediaTek chipset then, yes, that is a problem.
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Openreach turned up today to fit CSP and the fibre cable. They just left, saying all done. I've had a look and there's no CSP fitted, just a coil of cable zip tied to the bottom of a drain pipe.
Is this normal? I thought they had to fit a "Customer Splice Point" box to the wall? Is this something the stage 2 people will do or will this complicate the process?