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Broadband Related => FTTP Rollout => Topic started by: lee2009 on December 04, 2020, 02:02:16 PM

Title: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: lee2009 on December 04, 2020, 02:02:16 PM
hi all

if my research is right it shows my town is in the build phase of fttp, theres been some digging going on in my local area but not sure what the digging was for, ive looked on the road work website and can see numerous things OR are doing, mostly clearing ducts and laying poly duct.

does it seem to you guys like my town is actualy in the build phase or planning stage of fttp?

do any of you have accses to any OR systems?

my home town is blyth northumberland, id love some info on this as im sure you can all apreciate im dying to and willing to pay whatever it costs to get that fibre into my home

any info would be apppreciated
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on December 04, 2020, 09:20:27 PM
When my area was in pre-build those are the jobs I would see, when it got suspended due to exchange issues they disappeared, now its due to re-start in the new year and I'm seeing those jobs starting to appear again.

So I'd say if build isn't in progress yet, its very close barring unforseen issues.  Its worth bearing in mind though that it can potentially be a year or two from start to finish.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: Black Sheep on December 05, 2020, 12:25:22 PM
Most of Blyth looks to be at 'Survey created' stage ... ie: all the necessary systems are loaded up and ready to be despatched to the surveyors to do a proper on-site survey.

However, there are also approximately 20 splitter-nodes that are showing as in 'Build'. In other words, the survey has been completed, the planning costs, civls and build estimates have been completed .... which means our contractors and/or our DL civils gangs are doing their bit.

Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: lee2009 on December 05, 2020, 08:03:27 PM
thank you both for your replys. safe to say the fibre  build in my town is under way, black sheep if i was to pm you my postcode would you be able to have a "closer" look at my specific area or not?

also wonder if a admin could change the title of the thread, to something like my journey to fttp that i can update as time goes by

ive already took my 1st steps towards fttp, currently with plusnet who dont offer fttp, im outta contract so ive just moved over to bt fttc as i know they offer fttp when available, i currently go live with bt on the 9th december.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: Black Sheep on December 06, 2020, 02:12:05 PM
No probs mate .... PM it over.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: burakkucat on December 06, 2020, 03:48:07 PM
also wonder if a admin could change the title of the thread, <snip>

Hopefully the subject line is now more appropriate? Please let me know if it needs a further tweak.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: lee2009 on December 17, 2020, 09:36:13 PM
well all up and running with bt in fttc (while town goes through its fttp build)

roughly same speeds i was getting with plusnet 30 down 5 up

thats probably the end of my updates for now untill the fttp build starts to get closer to my home.

should of also said that on the one network website theres still lots of OR work going ahead and more jobs have been added for the months ahead, OR are very busy bees in my local area with the fttp build.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: lee2009 on December 17, 2020, 09:43:17 PM
note to admin, it might be better to change northumbria to northumberland, as everyone uses northumberland, might be better to use that for google, so it draws people here if anyone in my town search's for fttp info in blyth
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: Black Sheep on December 18, 2020, 08:22:52 AM
Hi Lee

Got your PM, mate.

As mooted earlier in the thread, there are the odd PON's dotted about built in Blyth, but I noticed there was a lot of 'red' colouring* on our ORION tool which indicates 'Survey created'.
There has been a helluva lot more red been added since I last looked, and that includes your own postcode area.

You asked the question about when it will be available ?? That is more or less impossible to say unless you are part of the build team in Blyth who will have a glidepath to work from, with subsequent dates regarding on-site surveys to take place, planning, civils, cabling & splicing, testing and commissioning. This is approximately a 10-week process from start to end, plus the Xmas period where our contractors tend to stand down for a week or two ...... plus the fact that like I say, the survey estimate has only just been created and hasn't physically started the process.

But .... the good news is that it is on its way to you, but I'd probably say it's going to be approximately 3 months off yet ?? Purely guess work ... could be slightly longer ??. 

* We have various life-cycle colours on our survey tool - its easier to see a wider geographical area and its current status.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: burakkucat on December 18, 2020, 05:14:22 PM
note to admin, it might be better to change northumbria to northumberland, as everyone uses northumberland, . . .

The grumpy, old, kuroneko has shown his age in his initial choice for the name of the County.  ;)
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: lee2009 on December 23, 2020, 01:52:50 AM
blacksheep you are a gem buddy for supplying that info, im more then happy with what you have said, i can wait your estimated times no bother at all, ive told myself that within 6 months i "should" be able to order fttp i can sure as hell wait that long, aslong as the build is in progress heading towards the build stage thats totaly fine by me, thank you once again for your reply!
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: Mark07 on January 06, 2021, 08:15:44 PM
Nice to see some more FTTP cropping up in Northumberland!

@Black_Sheep dont suppose orion is showing anything for Seaton Delaval being just down the road?
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: Black Sheep on January 07, 2021, 03:43:35 PM
blacksheep you are a gem buddy for supplying that info, im more then happy with what you have said, i can wait your estimated times no bother at all, ive told myself that within 6 months i "should" be able to order fttp i can sure as hell wait that long, aslong as the build is in progress heading towards the build stage thats totaly fine by me, thank you once again for your reply!

No worries, mate. As an aside, none of the manual surveys appear to have been picked up as yet, so the 10-12 week period hasn't yet started I'm afraid.

Hopefully soon ... but with the new lockdown we're back facing shrinkage on both DL and contract staff. It is what it is, nothing I or you can do to resolve it I'm afraid.  :'(  :) :)
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: Black Sheep on January 07, 2021, 03:47:49 PM
Nice to see some more FTTP cropping up in Northumberland!

@Black_Sheep dont suppose orion is showing anything for Seaton Delaval being just down the road?

'Fraid not, Mark .... the only survey completed in this area is the local school, which falls under a completely different national project.

We'll get there at some point, to say we're throwing everything at the FTTP build, is an understatement. Alas, as mooted above, other matters beyond our reasonable control are playing their part.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: Mark07 on January 07, 2021, 05:04:11 PM
'Fraid not, Mark .... the only survey completed in this area is the local school, which falls under a completely different national project.

We'll get there at some point, to say we're throwing everything at the FTTP build, is an understatement. Alas, as mooted above, other matters beyond our reasonable control are playing their part.

Thanks mate, appreciate you looking :)
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: Black Sheep on January 07, 2021, 05:46:47 PM
Thanks mate, appreciate you looking :)

Not a problem, pal.  :) :)
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: dontasciime on February 27, 2021, 04:11:53 PM
I have a friend and family that live there and they will be very pleased if it goes to their postcodes. They live nearer some factories which they thought already had FTTP. I just spotted this thread so I'll keep an eye on it for them. Thanks for all.

If extra telephone poles have been installed today (whereby there are no houses to feed with copper line for phone co's they all have them  does that indicate FTTP?

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Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: burakkucat on March 25, 2021, 05:35:35 PM
There is a possibility that those poles have been installed to carry optical fibres for the FTTP deployment.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: dontasciime on March 25, 2021, 10:10:35 PM
Thanks. I'm hoping so because since 2012 my 79,999Kbps sync is now 51Mbps througput even though it should be syncing at 66 it just will not go there anymore it just hangs around 54Mbps.

Will this if it is what I suspect be available to my ISP <Zen>


Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: Ronski on March 25, 2021, 10:28:28 PM
If it's FTTP then yes it will.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: dontasciime on April 07, 2021, 12:26:53 PM
Yeah it's FTTP just watched them install the fibre cable to pole 20 foot away

Anyone have a clue as to likely timescale of it being able to be ordered.

Manifold -ports are in place and some runs of optic left at pole I presume to take to CP

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Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: Black Sheep on April 09, 2021, 04:11:36 PM
After the manual work on fitting the infrastructure, they have to test and commission (couple or so days).

It then gets whipped to a further OR department to quality check everything. There may be a query, there may not ... (such as duplicate NAD's, light loss reading disparities etc etc) ... this can add a few hours, a day or so dependent on the query.

Then it goes to RFS and then CRFS (Customer Ready For Service). Usually a couple of weeks tops to go to RFS from commissioning ..... the bit to CRFS I have no idea of, as it lies with the service providers.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: dontasciime on April 15, 2021, 11:46:06 AM
They are testing it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: lee2009 on May 10, 2021, 01:43:58 PM
hi all

just a update

firstly, when searching google for fttp blyth northumberland this thread has been coming in the top 5 search results, so hopefully drawing traffic.

secondly, today some open reach contractors were in my very street!! they were lifting manhole covers and doing something with blue coloured rope, some guys were at some manholes and other guys were at the other manholes, they were clearly pulling something through under ground ducks.

really nice to see this work actually going on in my street, a sure sign the fttp build is in progress and fttp is on its way to my house as well as others in my street.

i wont post again until i have further updates, its just nice to be able to see the fttp build with my own eyes.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: Black Sheep on May 10, 2021, 07:11:33 PM
Believe me - Blyth's Rural FTTP programme is moving apace.  ;)
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: lee2009 on May 10, 2021, 07:35:26 PM
oh i know it is, i did try speaking to the cable puller, but i couldnt understand what he was saying as he was clearly from another part of the country, there must be teams of guys from all over the country been sent to places all over the country to do this work, and i had a car behind me so i had to move on.

im a happy bunny knowing that i should be able to order fttp before the end of summer
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: dontasciime on May 12, 2021, 04:44:22 PM
Can I ask another question about this location please to see how it plays out.


Let's say it was ready to order. It has to be close. I had OR here this morning trying to get my line which should be doing 66  but was as low as 51 with 47 TP (now at 56 after visit and 62 is max emu showed) so it can't come soon enough as I'm never getting my 77.43Mbps 17a profile back and he thought it might go live next week*.

Ok say it was ready to order. I'm hoping 900/115 is available. Current ISP is Zen. Im on 80/20 package contracted until Nov 2021. For simplicty sake let's just say I'm on a rolling 30 day.

How, what is best approach to ordering this, a Migration? or new order? and what are the pitfalls if any of a migration. I read something on here which was mentioning oNT  [port selection]. I'm just looking to avoid a scenario where because I don't know know the ins and out of this product range that   I won't be choosing the wrong thing or order procedure.

I Currently have a block of 8 IP addresses is that also likely to cause an issue on reorder etc

[edit] It appears Zen have no more clue than I do when it goes live as they are relying on the same checker I am)


Street where my copper cab and fibre cab is checker says 1000Gbps is available for those and also Gfast for closer properties to the copper cab. Next street over where they start the new poles with  fibre which then run to mine are still not showing on the checker 

Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: dontasciime on May 24, 2021, 06:44:49 PM
Had a reply from Opereach

Hello ****,

Thanks for your recent enquiry via the Openreach website about getting faster broadband.  

Iíve looked into your enquiry and the great news is that we will have some fantastic connectivity options for your home. I can see the fibre equipment youíre connected to is getting an upgrade. This will give you fibre to the premises.

 

Our engineering will take place over the coming months. If everything goes to plan, fibre broadband should be available to order by the end of October 2021. 


Is this a case of the work carried out hasn't been logged correctly as already having been done and tested ?


Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: kjw on May 25, 2021, 12:44:49 PM
I suspect that date will be for the wider plan, some will be earlier, some later depending on where you sit on the wider role out.

That same contact address told me July 2022 yet my PON has been tested and commissioned (we are new build ducted, and likely the first place the spine passes on its way from the headend)

Its all a bit how long is a piece of string, but you can kind of guess where you are at by watching what the guys are doing when on site :)

Has anything flipped over from 330/30 to 1000/220 yet? Normally a good sign something is on its way soon-ish.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: dontasciime on May 25, 2021, 12:54:57 PM
They are no longer on site and haven't been for over 4 weeks since testting light loss.

Had another reply from sifibreenquiriesmop   which frankly is still generic foreign mess insisiting guys are still there now working on the pole and will be finished oct 2021

If there's something strange
In your neighborhood
Who you gonna call?
OpenReach! (Nah don't bother)

I ain't 'fraid of no post.


I know I'm being a little impatient but I'm fed up with my poor performing fttc.





Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: kjw on May 25, 2021, 02:53:27 PM
Does it show the same via post code? From what others have said its better to use the post code and full address to check (not saying it will make a difference YET mind you)

The main thing that seems different between us both is mine has changed to show the higher FTTPoD speeds (1000/220)  and I have had it confirmed the testing/commissioning is done. Perhaps they found an issue when testing yours and its still being sorted out...

If the hardware is there at least you know its 95% coming :P better than a lot of others!
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: dontasciime on May 25, 2021, 02:58:20 PM
Guy doing tests said it was fine over 4 weeks ago


Postcode check is exactly the same.

I'll just have to be more patient.

the street the cab is on can get 1000 and other side streets like dovedale/borrowdale/eskdale/tynedale/weardale but the main street that comes off weardale can only get as high as g.fast currently which is where poles appear eg those connected to weardale/dovedale where cab 35 is  and continue to connect to mine, most propeties on that street can get also get g.fast my street can't get g.fast and only 80/20

Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: kjw on May 25, 2021, 03:21:39 PM
Another thing I noticed about your area is the live areas I have found are showing 350/50, that either means ECI OLT or there are capacity issues...

I wonder if they are waiting for exchange upgrades before lighting up more areas.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: dontasciime on May 25, 2021, 03:29:11 PM
ECI cabs are common here which is why I thought they might be changing them and slowing down the overall process but as someone pointed out this bypasses cab anyway.

oh you meant line card


this is where cab is and ultrafast checker says 1000 as do those surrounding postcodes

Oh well I just have to hope things trigger in June like FTTC did when it arrived here.

Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: kjw on May 25, 2021, 04:28:42 PM
I think that OR checker always says up to 1000 (when available) despite some areas being limited to 350 for capacity or OLT reasons.

They are obviously still busy working away, someone has to be first with others left to wait a bit longer... annoying as it is.

Trust me I feel your pain as I have been very closely following the rollout here since September last year, at least the end is in sight for us. Think of those that might be waiting long into 2022/3/4/5.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: dontasciime on May 27, 2021, 09:54:42 AM
Ultrafast checker says upto 1000Gbps now  <edit  :lol I meant 1Gbps


However the other page says upto 330/50 now under WBC FTTP

I was only interested in 900/115 really

And zen only offer max fibre 300

So I guess there is some older  ECI barrier here yet again

Bt order page for a laugh offers 900 upon ordering at last stage says error and to phone up:

Just going to have to accept it as being a step on the ladder and order before there is no spot.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: Chunk72 on May 27, 2021, 12:54:24 PM
Properties that have just gone live in my area are also showing 330/50. Wonder if it is a headend restriction or not fully live yet?
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: dontasciime on May 27, 2021, 01:56:56 PM
I could only order 300 from Zen their check was limited to fibre 300 package  with speed guarantee of 150

these  stayfast speeds are sure funny now compared to fttc ones

Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: dontasciime on June 09, 2021, 04:47:06 PM
1000/220 now
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: lee2009 on June 16, 2021, 02:19:41 AM
ive just looked on the one network site, and omg its just lit up like a xmas tree for planned OR works, all of it road traffic orders, 3 of these are for my very street alone, ive never seen so many phone icons on this website before for blyth edit** all this work is arround the town center area


i suggest all you people in blyth town center area go take a alook at the one network site, as this planned work was not there last week, looks like most of it is planned for july

fttp is getting closer boys and girls closer then you think by looks of it
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: lee2009 on June 16, 2021, 02:29:15 AM
also, hoping someone can advise, years ago i knew quite a bit about networking etc, but due to ill health my memory is not what it use to be.

i have my own fairly high end router that i bought my self, port forwarding, nas and cctv cams dvrs etc all connected etc etc.

will i be able to use this router with the bt equipment that will be installed when i get fttp?, is it something to do with the wan port? i really dont wanna be forced to use the router bt supply for fttp, im hoping my existing router will be able to be used with the new equipment bt will install when i get fttp

any info would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: dontasciime on June 16, 2021, 11:53:41 AM
Depends on what that "high end router is" and what package you get, want 330/50 should be fine over RJ45 cat5e at least providing ewan port is gigabit* -  900/110 will probably need  QOS and filtering options disabled.

I'm sure someone more capable will be along with a recommendation for you.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: burakkucat on June 16, 2021, 04:59:37 PM
i have my own fairly high end router . . .

Please post the details, manufacturer and model, etc.

As long as it has a EWAN port, you will be able to connect it directly to the Openreach ONT. Depending upon which product you take, you will need either a Cat5e or a Cat6 Ethernet cable.

Obviously you would also need to know the authentication credentials for your service, if any are required, and the connection mode . . . PPPoE, IPoE or DHCP, etc.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: Ronski on June 16, 2021, 05:48:31 PM
Depending upon which product you take, you will need either a Cat5e or a Cat6 Ethernet cable.

I would have thought Cat5e would suffice for any product you can currently order with regard to FTTP, its perfectly good for 1Gbps, and will do up to 10Gbps on a good quality cable up to about 30 meters, or there abouts.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: burakkucat on June 16, 2021, 05:59:39 PM
I would have thought Cat5e would suffice for any product you can currently order with regard to FTTP, its perfectly good for 1Gbps, and will do up to 10Gbps on a good quality cable up to about 30 meters, or there abouts.

Ah, yes. Of course.  :-[
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: lee2009 on September 01, 2021, 10:13:19 PM
just a little up date

or works still going on in my town, but seems to be lots of progress in my very street

blue pull rope has now been attached to some telelgraph poles, looks like this is in preperation to pull fiber cables to the individual poles?
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: dontasciime on September 01, 2021, 10:33:58 PM
Or for the Smurf Circus
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: burakkucat on September 01, 2021, 11:12:54 PM
blue pull rope has now been attached to some telelgraph poles, looks like this is in preperation to pull fiber cables to the individual poles?

Yes, correct.  :)
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on September 02, 2021, 01:40:57 AM
ive just looked on the one network site, and omg its just lit up like a xmas tree for planned OR works, all of it road traffic orders, 3 of these are for my very street alone, ive never seen so many phone icons on this website before for blyth edit** all this work is arround the town center area


i suggest all you people in blyth town center area go take a alook at the one network site, as this planned work was not there last week, looks like most of it is planned for july

fttp is getting closer boys and girls closer then you think by looks of it

The work in my area was on the map months ago, the date keeps changing.  The initial date I think is a guesstimate as it appear when they apply for permission, it then changed once they got permission, but has changes a few times since then too.

Was meaning to ask, does anyone know if there is a time they have to do the work in once permission has been given?  You'd think given the works near me are on a bus route, they'd have to be specific of when disruption might occur.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: Black Sheep on September 02, 2021, 08:39:40 AM
The work in my area was on the map months ago, the date keeps changing.  The initial date I think is a guesstimate as it appear when they apply for permission, it then changed once they got permission, but has changes a few times since then too.

Was meaning to ask, does anyone know if there is a time they have to do the work in once permission has been given?  You'd think given the works near me are on a bus route, they'd have to be specific of when disruption might occur.

Permits & civils are a massive 'unknown' in any build programme - often we will have TM approved only for it to then be pushed out due to a 'clash of works'. Bus-stop suspensions/main arteries can be 90+ days to gain permits.

Once the permits are in place and the gangs start to break ground, or open up C/Way boxes, rod ducts etc - then all manner of issues can be found. There is no guaranteed timeline.
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: lee2009 on September 03, 2021, 10:39:57 AM
im loving seeing the work progress, it is taking a little longer then i thought, but on the other hand blyth is the biggest town in northumberland also a very old town so i guess this could be slowing things down, also the human maleware situation, overall i cant complain as i have been able to see lots of the work with my own eyes, often in my very street

fttp is so close i can almost touch it lol
Title: Re: Journey to FTTP in Blyth, Northumberland.
Post by: stevebrass on September 03, 2021, 12:44:53 PM
I have to ask - what is "human maleware? :P