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Broadband Related => Mobile broadband => Topic started by: digitalnemesis on November 24, 2020, 02:44:32 PM
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How are the speeds indoors and is their 5G hub any good?
I can only get FTTC in my area and FTTP isn't on the horizon anytime soon where I live.
Cheers
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Despite doing a lengthy upgrade in my area recently I'm saddened to still see "we do not have 5G coverage in your area".
Their 4G service was unusable for anything more than web browsing for the better part of a year, though fortunately not something I had to rely on. I would have used it more if I had still been going on my monthly visits to friends in Nottingham.
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How are the speeds indoors and is their 5G hub any good?
I can only get FTTC in my area and FTTP isn't on the horizon anytime soon where I live.
Cheers
I find it all comes down to the area.
This was my 5G speed just the other day
https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/6751207933
Three 5G
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I find it all comes down to the area.
This was my 5G speed just the other day
https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/6751207933
Three 5G
Wow. On 4G I should be able to get up to 100Mbit but in general its more like 20-30Mbit. If I could consistently get at least as fast as a single VDSL line on it, I'd probably have gotten rid of one my lines by now.
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Wow. On 4G I should be able to get up to 100Mbit but in general its more like 20-30Mbit. If I could consistently get at least as fast as a single VDSL line on it, I'd probably have gotten rid of one my lines by now.
Yeah its quite impressive, although like I said its purely location based. I have had 5G while inside my place of work (a building with thick brick and metal walls) but barely reached 10Mbs purely because the signal is struggling to penetrate the walls. I imagine a normal house (like the one I live in lol) the 5G speeds would be pretty reliable and fast.
I'd like the point out however that in the same building if the signal ever dropped to 4G or H+ the speed would be dramatically worse... To the point that loading websites would be impossible.
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I find it all comes down to the area.
This was my 5G speed just the other day
https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/6751207933 (https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/6751207933)
Three 5G
Wow impressive speeds. Do you do any online gaming? If so how are you finding the latency?
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Speedtest on an iPhone 12 taken in the middle of my house (upstairs).
https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/i/4368379639
Based on these speeds been wondering about getting their home 5G hub service...
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Very impressive apart from the upload, Huawei do a nice 5G router/modem, but it's rather expensive - Huawei 5G CPE Pro2 Router H122-373 (https://consumer.huawei.com/uk/smart-home/5g-cpe-pro/buy/)
Three's teasing me with 5G, they have a 5G cell tower just two and half miles away, but alas not here :(
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Maybe that will come down in price as its effective already out-of-date now WiFi 6E kit is coming out.
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i got this in reading last year
(https://images2.imgbox.com/f3/2a/onGXyhSv_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/onGXyhSv)
sadly not even decent 4g where i live
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Maybe that will come down in price as its effective already out-of-date now WiFi 6E kit is coming out.
6E as it stands means routers have to be triband so all 6E routers at the moment are revisions using the Broadcom chips from Asus to the new Netgear RAXE500 which is based on the RAX200.
As it stands Samsung have their new phone announced that it supports 6E but will it really offer any benefit over its ability to use a 5Ghz on WiFi 6.
6E as it stands at the moment will remain only for top tier routers and the price may hinder that step. The trouble is router manufacturers will quote figure based on total theoretical output which is never obtained and then you have the end client that dictates its output ie. 2x2 or 4x4 for example and then you have to use 160Mhz to gain max throughput which then leads to compatibility issues if you have a client that’s capable of this.
I’ve a draft 3 device and to understand its potential you have to go and look at the manufacturers of the chipsets and then see what they are capable of and in my case mine does not support UL OFDMA, TwT or the full BSS coloring.
Of course to the end user there may be very little noticeable difference.
Add MU Mimo and understanding client streams is just a nightmare for end users let alone if the client supports MU Mimo.
A classic example at the moment is the PS5 with its WiFi 6. I look at Reddit for example and many believe due to its WiFi 6 it can handle 9.6Gb but sadly not as it’s a NXP chipset that is 2x2 Mimo with a max throughput of 1.6Gb so reality is not much more throughput but it’s WiFi stability should be better.
6E has a long way to go and with Qualcomm pushing for WiFi 7 and in a recent article their pushing for 2024 we may see one of the shortest lengths with a standard but we have to wait and see.
I’m quite interested to see where 5g leads.
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There's also the annoying thing that the EU/UK have only opened up the lower band so far, which means only three 160Mhz channels. Still the shorter range and less devices using it should at least in the short term allow for some nice improvements in reliability.
I'm curious if it will hit Gigabit on 80Mhz channel width as my S10 can hit 800Mbit on WiFi 5, but strangely my laptops need 160Mhz to do the same. Although I haven't tested them on 80Mhz since I upgraded them to Intel AX210 cards, which seem perform a little better than the AX200s did.
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The S10 is 4x4 so a max of 1.7Gb and the intel is 2x2 so a max of 867mbps. Normally you will see around 40 to 50% of their max theoretical throughput.
Both are Mu Mimo but to to see that at work they both need to be close to medium range with a router that supports both Mu Mimo and beamforming and both connecting at the same time.
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I'm pretty sure the S10 is 2x2 as all mobile devices are, even laptops don't come with 4x4, only desktop PCIe cards seem to have it.
Checking right now the S10 connects at 866Mbit and achieves 632Mbit at the moment.
If I set the AP to 80Mhz (what the S10 is using, it doesn't support 160Mhz channels) the laptops will also connect at 866Mbit but have a throughput of around 400Mbit.
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I’m guessing only Cellular is 4x4 so it’s just 2x2 on WiFi .
https://www.samsungmobilepress.com/mediaresources/galaxy_s10_5g/techspecs
Just could be the case that the chipset, drivers and antennas are just better in the phone compared to the laptop.
I get different throughput on my first gen iPad Pro compared to my friends latest iPad Pro with the same router, he can achieve 100Mbps extra.
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I’m guessing only Cellular is 4x4 so it’s just 2x2 on WiFi .
https://www.samsungmobilepress.com/mediaresources/galaxy_s10_5g/techspecs
Just could be the case that the chipset, drivers and antennas are just better in the phone compared to the laptop.
I get different throughput on my first gen iPad Pro compared to my friends latest iPad Pro with the same router, he can achieve 100Mbps extra.
Yes I think it might be 4x4 on LTE as naturally cellular service is considered a higher priority.
Honestly I think Windows 10 networking gets worse and worse over time, not really a shock that Android can outrun it. But its not like I haven't tested Linux on the laptops either, so in this particular scenario its not OS related.
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I’ve never used windows 10, I’m all Apple not that they are perfect either apart from their rather high prices and too much control which I hate with a passion.
WiFi can be a strange creature at times. If I’m honest the router I’m using now has been one of the best I’ve tested so I’ve stuck with it even though it’s not quite perfect but good enough.
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Decided to give the Three 5G Hub Home Broadband a try.
Quite happy with this:
(https://www.speedtest.net/result/10788548733.png) (https://www.speedtest.net/result/10788548733)
A bit of an increase from my 40/7 service with FTTC TalkTalk
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Very nice, how close are you to the cell tower?
I'm 400 meters if they ever get around to installing it.
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Decided to give the Three 5G Hub Home Broadband a try.
Quite happy with this:
(https://www.speedtest.net/result/10788548733.png) (https://www.speedtest.net/result/10788548733)
A bit of an increase from my 40/7 service with FTTC TalkTalk
I saw the Northampton and was happy for a second, and then realised that's the test server :lol:
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Sorry about that! ::)
I'm in Sheffield S25. According to Google Earth I'm 506 metres from the cell tower.
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Sorry about that! ::)
I'm in Sheffield S25. According to Google Earth I'm 506 metres from the cell tower.
They recently did work on the local tower here in S14, website still claims no 5G. :(
I guess I can pull 40Mbit from it on 4G (though right after I got the e-mail saying the work was done I was only getting 7Mbit), but its a little sad when I can pull 90Mbit off O2.
I've ordered a Voxi SIM as I believe that will be the same mast as O2 as its O2/Vodafone so should be interesting. Getting a 24 month contract on Three was a huge mistake, but as is always the case it was performing better on my PAYG SIM before I got the contract than it was almost immediately afterwards I got the contract.
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How's this for 4G ?
https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/cd32fb4c-819f-4559-9c0d-7ac042d9a9d8
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How's this for 4G ?
https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/cd32fb4c-819f-4559-9c0d-7ac042d9a9d8
I'm thinking of a word I cannot say on a open forum right now!
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I'm thinking of a word I cannot say on a open forum right now!
LOL :D
Actually beat that last night.
https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/34e6c0b1-20ab-4d56-9e93-8db75b1b1b55
Hopefully I'll start a thread tomorrow, and detail my rather basic investigations so far.
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You reminded me at least to cancel Three. They offered me a discount with a new router, but sod getting tied into a new 24 month contract for a service I don't need. I originally got it for portable use but initially the performance was pretty dire where I needed it and then the pandemic meant I didn't use it at all.
Going to try a few different networks on monthly contracts or PAYG just out of curiosity, to pass the time until FTTP rolls out and I get the vaccine (that combo would feel like winning the lottery right now).