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Chat => Tech Chat => Topic started by: tickmike on November 12, 2020, 08:40:04 PM

Title: Update On Our Village FTTP Install.
Post by: tickmike on November 12, 2020, 08:40:04 PM
Back in May we had BT Openreach chaps checking the ducts and roping in our village ready for FTTP, about a month later we had contractors from Birmingham putting in the fibre in the ducts and also using pole to pole strung fibre with CBT's on poles and in manholes, last week my wife told me there where 3 BT vans around the corner so I put my mask on and went to see what they were doing.

They told me they had just put in the last fibre to another remote farm a few miles outside the village and were connecting it up to the 'Splitter node' that was in one of the manholes that joined to the 'local Node' in the next manhole a few metre's away that is connected to some spare 'Dark' fibre that was installed about 6 years ago when FTTC was put into the village, the 'Head end' is about 12 miles away in the next city.

They also told me the contractors had only half done there job as for weeks there has been CBT's and rolls of fibre hanging off poles on fences that they should have put in and the BT Openreach chaps have had to sort the mess out.

Next week after them doing more more tidying loose ends up they are going to 'Light the fibre up' and start testing and if I am about they will show me what they are doing. :)

Been waiting 20 years so not long now and I can get a proper modern FTTP internet connection :)


Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: licquorice on November 12, 2020, 08:51:07 PM
Who are BTOR?
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: tickmike on November 12, 2020, 08:57:03 PM
Who are BTOR?
BT Openreach ... Now changed
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: licquorice on November 12, 2020, 09:00:06 PM
No such company.

https://www.openreach.com/news-and-opinion/articles/Superbrand
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: RealAleMadrid on November 12, 2020, 09:27:38 PM
@Liquorice Don't be so pathetically pedantic. :P
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: licquorice on November 12, 2020, 09:56:49 PM
There's me thinking that accuracy is important, but clearly not. :P
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: sevenlayermuddle on November 12, 2020, 11:36:32 PM
There's me thinking that accuracy is important, but clearly not. :P

‘Accurately’ speaking,  my understanding is that the organisation known as Openreach is a wholly owned part of a company known as BT.

There are various commercial constraints on the manner in which Openreach may operate, but they remain a part of BT.

For that reason (unless of course above is wrong) I personally would encourage use of terms such as ‘BTOR’, to describe Openreach. It avoids perpetuating the myth that “Openreach is not BT”, because it is.
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: burakkucat on November 13, 2020, 01:32:42 AM
I took a quick look on the Companies House (https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/) website and found records for BT Group plc (Company number 04190816) & Openreach Ltd (Company number 10690039).

Perhaps scrutiny of those records would prove fruitful?  :-\
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: sevenlayermuddle on November 13, 2020, 06:03:17 AM
Looking at Companies House, I got distracted by a company named Openreach Ltd, which existed between 2014 and 2016.   Company Officers names seemed familiar.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08921585/officers

 ???
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: licquorice on November 13, 2020, 08:39:22 AM
Do you call Screwfix Kingfisher Screwfix or just Screwfix or do you call it B&Q
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: sevenlayermuddle on November 13, 2020, 09:21:57 AM
Do you call Screwfix Kingfisher Screwfix or just Screwfix or do you call it B&Q

I’m lazy, I just call it Screwfix.  But I’d understand, and approve, of anybody who referred to it as Kingfisher Screwfix, Kingfisher B&Q etc.  In fact, I might try and get into the habit.   ::)

Openreach are legally a different company from BT, but as with other companies they must declare all persons with significant control.   Openreach list just one such person, named as “British Telecommunications plc”, who have rights including that to appoint and remove Openreach directors.

Same applies to B&Q, naming two different Kingfisher Company names as Persons With Significant Control, although they appear to be slightly more distanced... no mention of Kingfisher having power to appoint & dismiss B&Q directors.

Don’t really know much about Screwfix structure, is it just a trading name, rather than separate company?

Openreach...
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/10690039/persons-with-significant-control

B&Q..
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00973387/persons-with-significant-control

Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: Ronski on November 13, 2020, 10:23:31 AM
Oh dear, hasn't this thread gone off on a totally different tangent from that intended by Tickmike.  :(
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: Black Sheep on November 13, 2020, 04:18:21 PM
Ha ha ..... I was looking forward to a good read about a positive OR experience. I've put mi' popcorn back on the shelf for next time ... in the eternal hope there will be a next time.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: tickmike on November 13, 2020, 05:19:01 PM
Oh dear, hasn't this thread gone off on a totally different tangent from that intended by Tickmike.  :(
+1
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: tickmike on November 13, 2020, 05:20:02 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: Weaver on November 13, 2020, 09:11:12 PM
And all that chit-chat and pedantry/accuracy was off-topic anyway.

Peace and love to all.  ;D  Play nicely.
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on November 13, 2020, 09:15:56 PM

It took me 2 hours to write it.

I do not know why I bother, it's just a mess now, thanks.


I enjoyed reading your positive experience.
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: Weaver on November 13, 2020, 09:32:52 PM
As did I. With some jealousy. My mind can hardly cope with the thought of a connection that is lightning-proof, cheap, and 90 [1] times faster downstream, 900 [!!] times faster upstream. It would be like the change from dial-up to DSL all over again, but much much larger in fact.
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: sevenlayermuddle on November 14, 2020, 12:20:33 AM
@Mike, apols if you were offended, as clearly you were offended.

It’s sometimes frustrating to start, or contribute to, a thread, then see it head off in unintended directions. I have experienced same myself, I am sure we all have.

I suppose my own view tends to be that if there is an outstanding question, either in the original post or recent contributions, then it is rude to ignore or dismiss it, which does annoy me.    Otherwise my perception is...  it’s an internet forum, going off topic is not a crime, or not yet anyway.

Not much different to chatting to friends in the pub (if only, ever again).  If I ask a question, I’d expect it to be acknowledged.  But if I merely express a point of view then chances are it might simply act as a spur to further conversation.   I’ll still be happy to engage in that conversation, even if irrelevant to my earlier contribution.

In this case there was no question posted and no question outstanding, hence I perceived no rudeness.   I personally had nothing to add to your excellent post, and especially since since it was posted in a ‘chat’ area of the forum,  I engaged Licquorice and Burakkucat in off-topic debate.  Apologies again as clearly on this instance,  my perception was flawed, offence has been caused. :-[
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: Weaver on November 14, 2020, 12:31:21 AM
I certainly can’t talk; the king of off-topickery and irrelevant or speculative nonsense.  :-[
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: tickmike on November 16, 2020, 08:13:34 PM
Ha ha ..... I was looking forward to a good read about a positive OR experience. I've put mi' popcorn back on the shelf for next time ... in the eternal hope there will be a next time.  ;) ;D

I did see your comments in another post about 'it would be nice to see some positive OR experience', so I tried hard to do a post with some positive news but it all went 'Pete Tong' .
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: sevenlayermuddle on November 17, 2020, 12:27:11 AM
I did see your comments in another post about 'it would be nice to see some positive OR experience', so I tried hard to do a post with some positive news but it all went 'Pete Tong' .

Thanks for clarifying your objectives in starting the thread.
Title: Re: Some praise for BTOR.
Post by: Black Sheep on November 17, 2020, 12:57:36 PM
I did see your comments in another post about 'it would be nice to see some positive OR experience', so I tried hard to do a post with some positive news but it all went 'Pete Tong' .

That's very kind of you tickmike .... i'm guessing my other post mentioned the many thousands of faults and provisions that we perform daily, in all weathers, in all terrain ... that generally go un-noticed, cos' nobody thanks the proverbial milkman for delivering their milk everyday ... but they'd have something to say the day that it wasn't.

Hey-ho, such is life, such is folk.  :)
Title: Re: Update On Our Village FTTP Install.
Post by: Weaver on November 17, 2020, 04:02:26 PM
I can thank Openreach engineers more; I forget but I’ve had about five or six callouts this year as I have four lines not one, so four times as many faults plus they are very long and also I keep getting lightning strikes once or twice a year, bad one in Feb which caused real damage to the lines and a near miss a few weeks back which required two call outs and two engineers on the first one for some daft reason - one chap could have done two lines in one visit. When I get a polite and knowledgeable engineer who does not frighten Mrs Weaver  ;) I use this website to thank them :
    https://www.formwize.openreach.co.uk/run/survey3.cfm?idx=505d040e0a0e0c (https://www.formwize.openreach.co.uk/run/survey3.cfm?idx=505d040e0a0e0c)
- I’m not sure about that link, it looks as if it has perhaps been individualised and decorated. You might need to edit it.