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Broadband Related => Broadband Hardware => Topic started by: sof006 on October 28, 2020, 09:43:24 PM
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So I believe I am in the market to replace my Vigor 130. I am under the impression its not going to last much longer, its started to do some peculiar things. This morning I awoke to no internet and upon investigation I saw my Vigor 130 had no lights, as if someone pulled the power. I figured it might be the power, so I decided to swap out the plug for something with the same Voltage and Amps. It powered back up and I thought that was the end of it, until perhaps 10 minutes ago when my internet went off again.
No lights again. So I am under the impression that the modem is indeed dying. I could easily buy another Vigor 130 but I felt like it might be best to come here for some recommendations. I have noticed that my line tends to prefer chipsets like that found in the Vigor 130. Anything different and it either results in a lower sync or lots of line errors resulting in DLM freaking out.
Also, I was never able to configure the Vigor 130 to talk through my Orbi so I can monitor line stats. Having a new modem which makes it easy to do that (without the head scratch) would be nice. Thanks.
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HG612 off the bay I would say.
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Doesn’t the HG612 use a Broadcom chipset? I ask this as I own one and I’m sure I stopped using mine for that exact reason.
There are two versions from what I recall?
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I use the ZyXEL VMG 1312-B10A as a modem; got mine from ebay. I use our own Johnson’s software (https://github.com/johnson442/custom-zyxel-firmware/releases) in it, which is strongly recommended if you are going to use it as a modem only, as it allows you to have PPPoEoE MTU 1508 and has other enhanced functions.
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If you want to get detailed stats then you'll want a Broadcom based modem, but it sounds like you've had issues with those?
If you can go Broadcom then I'd either go with @Weavers recommendation, or for a lower price there are plenty of Zyxel VMG8324-B10A or VMG8924-B10A available on eBay. All of these are modem/routers but can easily be used in bridge mode if you only want the modem part.
HG612s are decent too but are getting pretty old now.
:)
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The Draytek 130 is a Lantiq chipset VRX268 according to people who have opened them up, the Netgear DM200 has a Lantiq VRX220 which is more recent.
There's not much else that is just a VDSL modem
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I have noticed that my line tends to prefer chipsets like that found in the Vigor 130. Anything different and it either results in a lower sync or lots of line errors resulting in DLM freaking out.
You may look at the Vigor 165 (https://www.draytek.com.tw/products/vigor165/) or 166 (https://www.draytek.com.tw/products/vigor166/) (the latter is also g.fast compatible)
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IDNet recommend the Comtrend VR3030 and according to this thread (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,23364.msg396084.html#msg396084), it has a BCM63168 chipset.
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You may look at the Vigor 165 (https://www.draytek.com.tw/products/vigor165/) or 166 (https://www.draytek.com.tw/products/vigor166/) (the latter is also g.fast compatible)
I was looking at both of those, but I saw something about them being Intel chipsets? I couldn't find much information on them, at least my Google searches turned up dry.
If you want to get detailed stats then you'll want a Broadcom based modem, but it sounds like you've had issues with those?
If you can go Broadcom then I'd either go with @Weavers recommendation, or for a lower price there are plenty of Zyxel VMG8324-B10A or VMG8924-B10A available on eBay. All of these are modem/routers but can easily be used in bridge mode if you only want the modem part.
HG612s are decent too but are getting pretty old now.
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Yes unfortunately, in the past I've used broadcom based modems with mixed success. The only broadcom based device I am aware I had no issues with was the BT Smart Hub (BT Hub 6) back when I had BT. I'd get a speed of 74Mbs and no line issues. If I could find a router with the same chipset or similar that would be fantastic. (When I say router I mean modem or router I can throw into bridge mode)
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I was looking at both of those, but I saw something about them being Intel chipsets? I couldn't find much information on them, at least my Google searches turned up dry.
Intel purchased Lantiq in February 2015
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Intel purchased Lantiq in February 2015
Ahh I see, that would explain that. I kept looking for the word lantiq being mentioned. I'll take more of a look at the new vigor modems and potentially some broadcom routers that are similar to the chipset in the BT Smart Hub.
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I read somewhere the Vigor 166 uses a VRX618 (https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/connected-home/anywan-transceiver-vrx618-brief.html)
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I use vigor 2760 in bridge mode, works perfectly fine on my line connected to the eci cabinet.
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I read somewhere the Vigor 166 uses a VRX618 (https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/connected-home/anywan-transceiver-vrx618-brief.html)
Interesting, i'll probably end up going for the Vigor 166. I'll see if I can find some reviews of it.
I'm still potentially interested in broadcom if I can find the chipset used in the Smart Hub (BT Hub 6) used else where as said above thats the only broadcom based device thats worked really well on my line.
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I found my old TG799vn V2 laying about my room. I cannot recall what kind of sync I got when using it.
It uses broadcom from what I remember, i've decided to take the top off and take a picture of the inside. Wondering if anyone here can make sense of potentially what chipset for certain? I suspect the model will either be under the heatsink or the EMI shield/s? How do I go about removing them, they seem pretty well stuck on. I'd rather not attempt to pull on them and damage anything.
Also, any ideas what these "buttons" do? I've circled them in the picture.
image attached below
EDIT: Here is the link - https://ibb.co/nLjFpnt
Double EDIT: I took the risk and managed to get the heatsink off without breaking anything :P The chip is a bcm63268
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Sorry I am posting a lot but I discovered this on BT shop
https://shop.bt.com/products/draytek-vigor-2762-series-adsl-vdsl-router-non-wireless-v2762-k-DJ6Q.html?refs=50729
Thoughts? Uses the PXB4369EL chipset (Lantiq/Intel) according to https://uktechhub.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/BTW-List-of-Approved-Modem-CPE-v-21.pdf
Also how do I know how "long" my phone line is, or rather how far away I am from my exchange. I know I am connected to Cabinet 53 which is a 10 second walk from my house. I am assuming that its cabinet 53 as it has the numbers 53 printed on the side. However Samknows seems to suggest I am 1.97km away? ???
EDIT: I've came to the conclusion (maybe) that Samknows is incredibly wrong, my line syncs at 71Mbs and this website https://www.increasebroadbandspeed.co.uk/2013/chart-bt-fttc-vdsl2-speed-against-distance suggests that my line would be roughly 0.2-0.3km long. The reason why I am asking all this is because i've heard that broadcom does better on longer lines (or so i've read on this forum). This might suggest or hint at why broadcom doesn't appear to give me any benefits or can make things worse?
I apologise I am just spit-balling here and putting all my thoughts down here so someone can hopefully answer them lol
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With you being so close to your cabinet I doubt whether a Broadcom or Lantiq based modem will make much difference. Just stay away from Mediatek as they are rubbish. If you want good stats then Broadcom is easier than Lantiq generally.
The TG799VN you have should have decent stats available, and I think will likely work with DSL Stats too. You will need to refit that heatsink though.
:)
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Completely forgot to update this. I ordered a Vigor 2762 yesterday, arrived about an hour ago. Just finished setting it up, i'm actually getting a ever so slightly higher sync (nothing to shout home about).
My question is now, how do I maintain access to the web GUI of the Vigor when its connected to a Unifi Dream Machine?
Again probably a stupid question but is it as simple as just plug in another ethernet cable into a spare ethernet port on the back of the Dream Machine and another on the back of the Vigor and I can see it? I'm guessing its not that simple lol
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Completely forgot to update this. I ordered a Vigor 2762 yesterday, arrived about an hour ago. Just finished setting it up, i'm actually getting a ever so slightly higher sync (nothing to shout home about).
My question is now, how do I maintain access to the web GUI of the Vigor when its connected to a Unifi Dream Machine?
Have you got the 2762 in bridge mode? Have you dedicated a lan port for the pass through?
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Have you got the 2762 in bridge mode? Have you dedicated a lan port for the pass through?
It is in bridge mode yes, and what do you mean by dedicated a lan port?
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Regarding the Dream Machine, our kitizen CarlT had one (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,24301.msg411616.html#msg411616); maybe some help with config there. I configured my Firebrick router to do this, with much help from others here.
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Regarding the Dream Machine, our kitizen CarlT had one (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,24301.msg411616.html#msg411616); maybe some help with config there. I configured my Firebrick router to do this, with much help from others here.
I'll take a look in the next few days, these next few days are busy for me. Thanks for the link, might have a neb if I get some spare time in-between lol
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Quick update on the Vigor 2762. I haven't had a chance to look at that thread yet to figure out how to gain access to web GUI through UDM. Mostly posting to say the connection has been stable (as I expected), the speed has remained stable at this slightly higher speed and also my ping has reduced from 18ms down to 13ms. Quite impressed with the new modem.
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It is in bridge mode yes, and what do you mean by dedicated a lan port?
If you leave 3 of the ports in a LAN bridge, and dedicate one as the bridge port, you could set the 2762 to the same subnet as the UDM, and access it as if it was on your LAN.
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If you leave 3 of the ports in a LAN bridge, and dedicate one as the bridge port, you could set the 2762 to the same subnet as the UDM, and access it as if it was on your LAN.
I've tried what you have suggested but I think I am doing something wrong. Whenever I try this the UDM stops allowing me to log in and my internet stops working. Normally occurs after changing the subnet to match that of the Vigor.
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I've tried what you have suggested but I think I am doing something wrong. Whenever I try this the UDM stops allowing me to log in and my internet stops working. Normally occurs after changing the subnet to match that of the Vigor.
Found the kitz article with diagrams: https://kitz.co.uk/routers/zyxel_VMG8324-B10A_bridge.htm
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Found the kitz article with diagrams: https://kitz.co.uk/routers/zyxel_VMG8324-B10A_bridge.htm
That's one of the good things of the Zyxel, that is it allows you to create interface groups and to segregate WAN traffic from LAN traffic, which means you can have only one port for the Internet traffic: I'm afraid the Draytek doesn't support those options...
Not sure if it can helps, but have you explored the 'route policy' options ?