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Broadband Related => Broadband Technology => Topic started by: vic0239 on October 22, 2020, 12:21:02 PM

Title: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: vic0239 on October 22, 2020, 12:21:02 PM
This morning the DSL LED on my modem was finally extinguished after ceasing my copper line. After many months of anticipation and (impatient) waiting I am finally connected to FTTP!  ;D

Fibre came to the village at least three years ago thanks to a collaboration between the new owners of “The Big House” and Lothian Broadband. It has been gradually spreading throughout the village and earlier this year the ducting was laid and finally the last length of fibre run to the house last week.

The fibre is connected to a MikroTik Fiber-to-Copper Converter which is powered over the PPPoE connection via a PoE injector although I believe the supplied router (also MikroTik) can provide power making a neat solution. I opted to keep my Firebrick, but may look into the Mikrotik range. Speeds are impressive, I have a 200Mbps symmetrical connection which appears to be sustained at all times.

Happy days!  :yay:

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2019/10/isp-lothian-broadband-extends-full-fibre-network-in-gifford.html (https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2019/10/isp-lothian-broadband-extends-full-fibre-network-in-gifford.html)

https://www.commsworld.com/insights/press-releases/2018/august/quaint-east-lothian-village-lights-up-with-ultra-fast-fibre/ (https://www.commsworld.com/insights/press-releases/2018/august/quaint-east-lothian-village-lights-up-with-ultra-fast-fibre/)
Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: underzone on October 22, 2020, 12:26:10 PM
Very nice! A symmetrical connection too, perfect  :)
Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: SlimJ on October 22, 2020, 01:09:17 PM
One can only dream of this technology and symmetrical speeds!  ;)
Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: burakkucat on October 22, 2020, 02:09:43 PM
Congratulations.  :)
Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: vic0239 on October 22, 2020, 09:05:44 PM
Thanks for the comments. I now have a few ZyXel modem/routers to dispose of.
Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: sof006 on October 28, 2020, 08:04:35 PM
Sigh...one day.... one day I will be able to experience such speeds.
Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: Chrysalis on October 28, 2020, 09:48:29 PM
Congrats, for me still seems an eternity away, but glad some are getting to experience it.
Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: Weaver on October 29, 2020, 03:22:38 AM
Wow, happy days indeed - best
Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: maxheadroom on November 15, 2020, 02:58:19 PM
Speeds are impressive, I have a 200Mbps symmetrical connection which appears to be sustained at all times.
Happy days!  :yay:

This is not a troll post i am genuinely curious.

I have FTTC and get the speed below which are rock steady and have been since day one, there are three of us in the house my wife mainly used the internet for gaming and FB i use it for everything (Chromecast, YouTube and general surfing) and my son lives on YouTube, we have never had issues with the speed even when we are all using it so i often wonder when i see threads like this why people need and pay extra for such high speeds, maybe now i will find out.



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Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: Ronski on November 15, 2020, 03:32:58 PM
When I was on FTTC the most I got was around 47/6 and when Virgin was installed I decided I would move to that for the better speeds. I chose Vivid 350 as with that I got a 30Mbps upload. For a lot of people its about the upload, and the download is simply because to get the better upload you don't have a choice and have to go for a higher than required download.

But you are always going to get the people who get much faster packages because that's what they we're told they needed - spoke to one recently, he was insistent that he needed Virgin 500 but apart from 4 users potentially streaming had no other reason, just what VM recommended. Others simply because they want the fastest regardless of whether they actually need it.
Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: vic0239 on November 15, 2020, 03:41:33 PM
It was mainly for the upload. My previous upload speed was ~7 Mbps which made cloud backups almost impossible. I was previously on FTTC and the line was pretty stable apart from a few months when I lost sync twice daily due to a SHINE event. With FTTP I'll be impervious to that kind of interference. I was obliged to go for the 200 Mbps package to fulfil the terms of the Gigabit Broadband Voucher Scheme. Although, having said all that, there was quite a bit of "I must have this" if I'm totally honest!  ;)
Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: maxheadroom on November 15, 2020, 04:29:02 PM
When I was on FTTC the most I got was around 47/6 and when Virgin was installed I decided I would move to that for the better speeds. I chose Vivid 350 as with that I got a 30Mbps upload. For a lot of people its about the upload, and the download is simply because to get the better upload you don't have a choice and have to go for a higher than required download.

But you are always going to get the people who get much faster packages because that's what they we're told they needed - spoke to one recently, he was insistent that he needed Virgin 500 but apart from 4 users potentially streaming had no other reason, just what VM recommended. Others simply because they want the fastest regardless of whether they actually need it.

Thanks for explaining.
Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: maxheadroom on November 15, 2020, 04:35:01 PM
It was mainly for the upload. My previous upload speed was ~7 Mbps which made cloud backups almost impossible. I was previously on FTTC and the line was pretty stable apart from a few months when I lost sync twice daily due to a SHINE event. With FTTP I'll be impervious to that kind of interference. I was obliged to go for the 200 Mbps package to fulfil the terms of the Gigabit Broadband Voucher Scheme. Although, having said all that, there was quite a bit of "I must have this" if I'm totally honest!  ;)

Thanks, i don't do a lot of uploading but did notice the difference in speed when i moved to FTTC.

I think as technology advances we will need higher speeds so its a good thing they are becoming more readily available, as gaming moves online (i think the days of buying £500 consoles will soon be a thing of the past) and we have 4K streaming these higher speed packages will be the norm being a tightwad i will wait until i cannot do without it but i bet that's not too far into the future.

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Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on November 15, 2020, 06:35:30 PM
For me its games and also being able to remote into my home connection without potentially bottlenecking on the upload.  Plus I might actually use cloud backups if my upload is fast enough for it to be viable, although even 150Mbit would be restrictive there when you consider even backing up to a USB HDD can do ~2Gbit.

More importantly is downloading games AND watching 4K at the same time, without heavily compromising either.  I plan to go straight for Gigabit so that I basically never have to worry about bottlenecking on my side again.
Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: Ronski on November 15, 2020, 09:06:07 PM
I have no issues now with cloud back up, well it's not cloud any more, as my cloud is a Synology NAS at my brothers house. My film rips backup immediately when they are transferred to my server, all our documents are securely encrypted in the early hours and then also backed up to the Synology NAS. So far my system seems to be working well, and it just happens in the background. When I was on FTTC the cloud back would bring the connection to it knees sometimes as the upload was swamped.
Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: bbnovice on November 17, 2020, 09:43:27 PM
This is not a troll post i am genuinely curious.

I have FTTC and get the speed below which are rock steady and have been since day one, there are three of us in the house my wife mainly used the internet for gaming and FB i use it for everything (Chromecast, YouTube and general surfing) and my son lives on YouTube, we have never had issues with the speed even when we are all using it so i often wonder when i see threads like this why people need and pay extra for such high speeds, maybe now i will find out.


BT are offering regrades from FTTC to FTTP at no additional cost. In my case the speed has gone from 50Mbs to 150Mbs for the same monthly price.

I was seeking better stability rather than speed. I once had FTTC speeds similar to what you have, but over the years the speed declined markedly probably primarily due to crosstalk as more people took up FTTC in my immediate area. The line quality was never great to start with, and I will not miss the constant DLM interventions and constant arguments with BT over the reliability issues with my FTTC service.
Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: maxheadroom on November 21, 2020, 04:13:19 PM
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BT are offering regrades from FTTC to FTTP at no additional cost. In my case the speed has gone from 50Mbs to 150Mbs for the same monthly price.

I like the sound of that.   ;)
Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: bbnovice on November 21, 2020, 06:50:21 PM
I like the sound of that.   ;)

I believe that some of their offers are localised geographically rather than nationwide for some reason. In my case BT phoned me with an offer rather than me seeking them out. The downside is their contracts now all seem to be 24 months.   
Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: GigabitEthernet on November 21, 2020, 07:26:06 PM
I think the best thing about FTTP is that you pay for something and you get it, we've never had that with BT before.

You want 50Mb, you get 50Mb. You want 1Gbit, you get 1Gbit.

I do wish BT would increase the upload though, I hope that comes in time.

I hope us folks in the countryside will be upgraded at some time in the next decade, I do think FTTC has been a tremendous waste of public money in hindsight.
Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: Weaver on November 21, 2020, 09:26:08 PM
I agree. The vast amount of money wasted was just a delay before getting FTTP rolled out. Perhaps it was all more about competition with VM than the public good.
Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: Ronski on November 21, 2020, 10:26:21 PM
FTTC was also about the speed of roll out, a lot of properties could be covered relatively quickly. I wonder how long it will take to get the same percentage of coverage of FTTP compared to FTTC.
Title: Re: RIP FTTC All Hail FTTP
Post by: Weaver on November 21, 2020, 11:44:49 PM
Well round our way, it took 8 years to get FTTC, I got left out, and I will never see it. So they could have done FTTP in a lot less time here than that, could have had it around five years ago, my best guess.