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Title: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on May 14, 2020, 02:08:20 PM
Noticed that OR were lifting chamber covers near where I live so had a chat. They are roping through the ducts ready for FTTP.

Good news then - we are cabled up for VM but FTTP competition will be very useful.

We are on the list for FTTP but I imagined it wouldnít happen in a rush. Of course roping through is not the same as fibre installation but itís progress. Given my BT cabinet is 1.5 km away and an ECI dslam FTTP would be a real upgrade.
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: burakkucat on May 14, 2020, 06:06:24 PM
Of course roping through is not the same as fibre installation but itís progress.

Yes, indeed. Every process has a starting point . . . but it's the ending point (of the installation process) that would be more significant.
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: Weaver on May 15, 2020, 09:08:25 PM
My parents were near you, near Hollington Staffs, few miles from Uttoxeter. (As opposed to the other Hollington in Derbyshire) Janetís old mum is in Eccleshall so just next door to you.
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on August 04, 2020, 01:46:30 PM
Contractors have been working last couple of days installing fibre from chamber to chamber.
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: divybc on August 06, 2020, 09:54:33 PM
They laid FTTP within a month here from first vans appearing.

Super quick turn around and already installed.

Very happy to get away from VM, they were very inconsistent and mostly deny any issue.
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on September 04, 2020, 11:27:04 AM
More contractors around today. More fibre going in. ;D

BT Openreach and KN Circet. Former confirmed that our road is on the list.

VM contract renews next May so could have an interesting haggle with them and BT.
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: Black Sheep on September 04, 2020, 12:06:44 PM
Just looked on our ORION tool, this indicates (using colours) what status PONS are at. Stone looks to be well on its way to being nearly completed regarding surveys, with most of the PON's now having a build-pack created meaning civils, cabling & splicing will be in progress.

Great news for Stone residents.  :) 
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on October 26, 2020, 01:47:51 PM
Well. FTTP is being offered and up and active on most houses near me - but not offered to me - yet. We are a small road just off the main estate ,and our BT connection  predates the new connections made for the rest of the estate.

But I didn't think the existing copper/fttc arrangements would impact FTTP?
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: Black Sheep on October 26, 2020, 03:57:31 PM
It depends on which FTTP programme the 'main estate' falls under ?? If it's 'Retro New Sites' (ie: built within the last 30yrs) then this will be because the estate is ducted. If your 'small road' is fed overhead or by buried cable (DiG), then it probably won't have been captured on the Ghost Plan blueprint ??

It's a hard call to make based off the info we have, I'm afraid. 
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on October 29, 2020, 09:37:16 PM
The OR team have been in our road - they were checking where a particular chamber was (its hidden under a neighbour's planting) and feeding rope through.They said that FTTP would be available. Ah well - not to worry.
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on November 23, 2020, 09:53:54 PM
Great news! I know you have all been concerned about my situation. Today contractors were installing fibre and a CBT - which I think means connectorised block terminal - into the chamber just around the corner. From there I imagine they run the final bit of cable when the customer makes an order.
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: burakkucat on November 23, 2020, 10:45:09 PM
Today contractors were installing fibre and a CBT - which I think means connectorised block terminal - into the chamber just around the corner.

Yes, that is the correct interpretation.

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From there I imagine they run the final bit of cable when the customer makes an order.

Yes. Assuming that the chamber is designated as the customer's DP.
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on January 26, 2021, 01:42:53 PM
Snapped. BT chamber with presumably fibre optic cables and a manifold connector?
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: burakkucat on January 26, 2021, 11:08:58 PM
Yes, fibre optic tubes (or cables) but not a manifold. I'm not sure . . . it might be a track joint or even an aggregation node.

Perhaps j0hn has an opinion?
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: j0hn on January 27, 2021, 01:27:15 AM
Looks like the shape and colour of an Aggregation Node, as seen in the attached pic.
Although I'm unsure if the attached image is 100% definitive.

Well, I'm pretty sure it's not definitive and that probably isn't an Aggregation Node  :-\
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: burakkucat on January 27, 2021, 01:37:18 AM
Well, I'm pretty sure it's not definitive and that probably isn't an Aggregation Node  :-\

Thanks.  ;)
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: Weaver on January 27, 2021, 02:58:28 AM
Steve is there any chance of Eccleshall getting FTTP in the near future?
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: Black Sheep on January 27, 2021, 12:14:21 PM
That is definitely an AGG.
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on January 27, 2021, 01:56:22 PM
Steve is there any chance of Eccleshall getting FTTP in the near future?

I was in Eccleshall a couple of weeks ago and BT were I think installing fibre at the Sancerre Grange development.
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: burakkucat on January 27, 2021, 04:58:17 PM
That is definitely an AGG.

Thank you.  :)  (I won't ask for a translation of the runic inscription, hand-written in white and seen clearly in the second image.)
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: Black Sheep on January 28, 2021, 12:44:05 PM
Thank you.  :)  (I won't ask for a translation of the runic inscription, hand-written in white and seen clearly in the second image.)

Ha ha -  ;D ;D

It is indeed those 'runes' that tell us what the item is - every joint (Agg - IJ - Track joint - cable chamber joint) has its own unique T-Code.  :)
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on February 11, 2021, 12:36:10 PM
More progress. Seems like my fibre optic will be coming via poles.
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: burakkucat on February 11, 2021, 04:00:40 PM
That is certainly optical fibre based infrastructure . . . but the detail is not clear enough to see the specifics. However, it is good news.
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: Black Sheep on February 11, 2021, 08:13:34 PM
You will have two new pieces of furniture attached to that pole .... an IJ (that feeds two other CBT's) and your own 8-port CBT.

 :)
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: tickmike on February 12, 2021, 05:03:33 PM
More progress. Seems like my fibre optic will be coming via poles.

The lower object on the pole is a 'Strain relief' block as some of the fibre cables are 'Greased' inside and over time work out of the outer plastic casing.

Around our village fibre hung on the poles like that for well over a year and only some local farms/houses are only just getting connected up, hope your goes a bit quicker.

Our village fibre 'PON's' got lit up about four weeks ago and we can order if we want (Due to high covid in this area it's too risky to have someone in your house installing.)   some of the outer lying parts are not commissioned yet..

Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: Black Sheep on February 12, 2021, 06:51:37 PM
The lower object on the pole is a 'Strain relief' block as some of the fibre cables are 'Greased' inside and over time work out of the outer plastic casing.



These are called ELM's (External Locking Mechanism).
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: tickmike on February 12, 2021, 08:04:26 PM
These are called ELM's (External Locking Mechanism).
Thanks .
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on February 12, 2021, 10:57:09 PM
Thanks for all the replies. I know that fibre has been run from the chamber in our road to a chamber on the main road.

It seem that the overhead fibre is the most practical way to get fibre to the main road chamber.

My VM contract is up in May, so with bit of luck I'll have BT FTTP available and so some haggling to be done.

If we go for BT, I will just need to get sign off from the boss for the ?ONT? . That could be the trickiest part of the exercise. Do BT do relationship counselling?

LOL etc
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on February 23, 2021, 01:40:54 PM
Some more snaps of the overhead fibre shenanigans round my way.

The first snap is the pole where the fibre funds down I to the ground and has then been trenched to a chamber.
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on February 23, 2021, 01:44:00 PM
And two more.

Not sure if the cables will be left of the pavement as shown :cool:

Lots of connections here. Do you remember the good old days when they used a quick twist and band-aid?
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on February 27, 2021, 11:31:52 AM
And BT FTTP is now available to me! VN contract renews April so a good chance for a haggle between the two.

The BT headline price is more than VM's discounted price (£39.99 v £31) but we shall see. BT offer a better upload speed which is useful to me as I upload quite a few photographs .

Still - good news!
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on February 27, 2021, 12:05:40 PM
Guess it depends on how good Virgin are in your area, they are far more prone to contention issues especially on upstream.
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: Weaver on March 02, 2021, 12:26:53 AM
Steve what speed options are eg BT offering?
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on March 02, 2021, 01:50:36 PM
150/30
300/49
900/110
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: j0hn on March 02, 2021, 02:18:30 PM
BT have a number of different links with different prices.
I find the online offers much better than the sales staff are able to negotiate.

https://www.bt.com/broadband/deals
https://www.bt.com/campaign/full-fibre
https://www.bt.com/campaign/full-fibre-240
https://www.bt.com/broadband/bristol
https://www.bt.com/broadband/deals/affiliate-offer/ (https://www.bt.com/broadband/deals/affiliate-offer/?s_cid=con_cic_aff_affwin_vidAJM_broadband_78888&vendorid=AJM&utm_source=Affwin&utm_medium=Ref&utm_campaign=78888&awc=3041_1614694412_2621afe66ec03632c5d8909e917d964c&dclid=CIuDkrflke8CFcbN3godi78Bgwd=ef8d5b6ba0ad8d6042b4f8160faf5a30&xjsf=other_click__contextmenu%20%5B0%5D) (I've shortened this very long affiliate link).

For example following the Bristol link I got BT FTTP 160/30 for £29.99 a month.
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on March 11, 2021, 01:13:40 PM
The house three doors down has ordered FTTP. Unfortunately, the OR chap found that the duct from the chamber to the house is blocked. And its only 5 meters away from the house! He is going to bring in the A Team to sort it. We expect helicopters any moment!
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on April 15, 2021, 12:50:00 PM
Getting close to end of contract with VM.

Am I right in saying that the fibre cable can be mounted externally from the duct to a more convenient spot and then pushed into the property? There would be a couple of corners to go round.

Is it called EZ bend and does it come in different flavours if EZ bendability?
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: burakkucat on April 15, 2021, 05:57:23 PM
Am I right in saying that the fibre cable can be mounted externally from the duct to a more convenient spot and then pushed into the property? There would be a couple of corners to go round.

Yes, that can be done.

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Is it called EZ bend and does it come in different flavours if EZ bendability?

I'm aware of EZ Bend optical cable being used internally but am not sure about its external usage.

Looking at an example, I see the outer sheath is marked --

OFS EZ BEND G.657.B3 OPTICAL CABLE #C- MO4.8C-
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on April 15, 2021, 09:28:42 PM
Just found this video.

It bends.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33txeycXe7c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33txeycXe7c)

Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: craigv on April 15, 2021, 09:39:46 PM
Some more snaps of the overhead fibre shenanigans round my way.

The first snap is the pole where the fibre funds down I to the ground and has then been trenched to a chamber.

Impressively clear photos of the fibre gear, I've been watching a similar install go up around my way, but nowhere near as close up as the shots you've managed to get :)
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: burakkucat on April 15, 2021, 10:02:22 PM
Just found this video.

It bends.

Thank you for the video. I had not seen that particular demonstration.
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on April 18, 2021, 10:25:00 AM
BT FTTP ordered with install April 26th. :fingers:

Had a haggle with VM who couldn't/wouldn't better BT offer price so over to BT.

Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on April 19, 2021, 05:18:15 PM
Ducting installed and roped ready for BT (external underground ducting to take fibre from BT duct along a wall to the "server room")
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on April 26, 2021, 12:22:43 PM
Openreach (Quinn) here. Fibre pulled through successfully. Currently installing ONT. The tension mounts.
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: stevebrass on April 26, 2021, 05:17:29 PM
All systems go. 150/30 8ms ping.

A fairly tidy job by Mr Quinn.
Title: Re: FTTP Openreach Stone Staffs
Post by: burakkucat on April 26, 2021, 05:47:23 PM
All systems go. 150/30 8ms ping.

Excellent news.  :)