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Broadband Related => FTTC and FTTP Issues => Topic started by: matthew413 on May 05, 2020, 11:58:40 AM
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Hi all,
I'm slowly inching towards getting FTTP installed to replace our 1KM DSL line. The pavement on our road was dug up and fibre lain over a year ago but for some reason only seven of the thirty houses it runs past were able to order it. I eventually found an email address to log a ticket with Openreach who have since enabled my house, but none of my neighbours. Strange way to run a business. I then ordered an upgrade from ADSL to FTTP with Zen.
We had a team here from Kelly this morning (7:30am!) who have dug up the drive and installed some ducting with a pull rope. They were working with their faces inches from another with no PPE which surprised me. I guess the next step will be an Openreach engineer whenever they are allowed inside people's houses again.
I am interested to know how flexible Openreach are with installing the indoor equipment. The new ducting appears outside our front door, which is of no use as there's no power near there. Ideally I'd like the equipment installing in one of the rooms upstairs, but that would require quite a long cable run around the front of the house (hopefully near the ground), then up the side of the house. Has anyone had an install route similar?
Thanks
Matthew
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Attached a photo; will they be able to route the fibre below the door? I suspect not :(
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Hi
Typically they will drill a hole through the wall into the house to run the fibre inside, they will usually run it inside to where you want it, up to a certain maximum distance, and fibre can usually be run around the side of the house. I don't think they would take it under the door as it would be prone to damage there.
You will need a plug socket within a metre of the ONT, and you will also need to have close by the ISPs router, or you can use your own. The ONT is screwed to the wall and you will not be able to move it after it is installed, so if installing into a room that may have a change of use later it could become inconvenient, i.e getting in the way of placing furniture or prone to being tampered with by the rooms occupant (an inquisitive child perhaps). I suppose Openreach would always come and move it for you at a cost.
You can of course place your router anywhere but it would need running Ethernet cable from the ONT to where you want the router.
Regards
Phil
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The engineers can be flexible with where you want the ONT installed but within reason.
Upstairs AND round the back of the property might be pushing it as the engineer has a set time to complete the job.
It may depend on what type of deployment method they are doing in your area and how nice an engineer you get.
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If you have an external CSP fixed on your outside wall, the cabling limit from the CSP to the ONT is 30 metres which is enough for most people.
If you have connectorized fibre, the limit is usually 160m from the DP to the ONT but in special cases this can be extended to a few hundred metres.
Either way, Openreach will usually install the ONT to a location of your choice.
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Thanks all - 30 metres would be plenty, I just think it's going to be a bit of an eyesore if they have to run it under the sill of the door to get to the left hand side, but there is no use bringing it in to any of the rooms on the right hand side of the house.
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Another engineer turned up this morning to pull the cable through and mount the CSP. Out of curiosity does anyone know what the handwritten numbers inside mean? He said he had tested the connection so I assume it’s related to that.
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Interesting. To me, that is a new style of CSP.
As for the figures --
07 / 05 / 2020 <--- Today's date.
1310 - 24.78 <--- The TX wavelength (from your ONT to the OLT), 1310 nm.
1550 - 24.78 <--- The RX wavelength (from the OLT to your ONT), 1550 nm.
I don't have any idea as to the meaning of the two 24.78 figures. Perhaps Black Sheep might be able to assist?
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They did not mount the CSP very level :-\
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Interesting. To me, that is a new style of CSP.
As for the figures --
07 / 05 / 2020 <--- Today's date.
1310 - 24.78 <--- The TX wavelength (from your ONT to the OLT), 1310 nm.
1550 - 24.78 <--- The RX wavelength (from the OLT to your ONT), 1550 nm.
I don't have any idea as to the meaning of the two 24.78 figures. Perhaps Black Sheep might be able to assist?
Maybe light loss values?
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Maybe light loss values?
Maybe, but if they are the optical attenuation at those two wavelengths then I would be very suspicious of the values . . . as they are identical. Furthermore there are no units specified . . . I would expect to see "dBm".
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Zen have given me an internal install date of 29th June, in case anyone was wondering how long the current delay is.
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Maybe light loss values?
*Nods*
They're also not the same. One's 24.28, the other 24.78, though they should have a '-' in front. Will be dBm.
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What happens when the current phone line is off a pole? Mine is and there is no way across our front garden because it is 95% concrete. Also the current master socket is in the loft space, well eaves space, and that's where I want it to remain.
Stuart
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What happens when the current phone line is off a pole? Mine is and there is no way across our front garden because it is 95% concrete. Also the current master socket is in the loft space, well eaves space, and that's where I want it to remain.
Stuart
I believe they can run fibre off of poles too. You wouldn't really want the ONT in your loft though as it's not a nice place for electronic equipment due to extremes of temperature.
:)
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If the current copper feed comes via telegraph poles then the fibre feed should be fed via the same poles.
If the current copper feed is underground then fibre is usually fed underground also.
In some areas where the copper feed is direct buried they occasionally erect new telegraph poles..
Also the current master socket is in the loft space, well eaves space, and that's where I want it to remain
If there's power available in the loft for the ONT and the loft space is safe to enter with adequate flooring then OpenReach shouldn't have a problem.
They won't go near lofts that aren't floored or don't have sufficient space (if they need to crawl from 1 end to the other).
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What happens when the current phone line is off a pole? Mine is and there is no way across our front garden because it is 95% concrete. Also the current master socket is in the loft space, well eaves space, and that's where I want it to remain.
Stuart
As John says they will almost certainly run yours overhead (why dig when you can use existing poles), in fact in Cliffsend you can now see coiled up ropes at the bottom of the poles.
My brother wanted his master socket in the loft, whilst the engineer didn't want to go in the loft he was more than happy for my brother to pull the cable through, and then the engineer stood on the loft ladder and connected it up and fixed it to a close by beam.
You wouldn't really want the ONT in your loft though as it's not a nice place for electronic equipment due to extremes of temperature.
Not ideal no, but it will in all likely hood be perfectly fine. I've had a Edimax Pro WAP1750 up there since October 2014 and an inverter (currently 42c) for our solar panels since December 2015
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Actually it's not really in the loft, we live in a chalet bungalow so we have two upstairs bedrooms with eaves cupboards and our existing master socket is in the north facing eaves cupboard so it does not get that hot. The engineer would not have to go far in because it would be mounted just inside the cupboard about 3 inches round the corner of the door frame! I'd have to reinstate the power socket I used to have when I had my ISDN connection for work back in 1998!
Stuart
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Not ideal no, but it will in all likely hood be perfectly fine. I've had a Edimax Pro WAP1750 up there since October 2014 and an inverter (currently 42c) for our solar panels since December 2015
My friend has his cable modem in the loft, I'm honestly amazed it hasn't fried as its baking in the summer.
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Hi
I would also suggest an ONT in the loft is more likely prone to issues related to dust, both from any insulation and what arrives in from outside as part of the roof space ventilation. The optical parts are not hermetically sealed and dirt and dust will get in to where it shouldn't. In addition the heat convention through the ONT will end up coating the inside in glass fibres and dirt, this could also cause problems with overheating and changing the capacitance of components on the board causing issues.
A loft space isn't the best place for sensitive electronics that aren't designed for that environment, and the domestic ONT boxes are open to the air and designed for a domestic living space. I'm surprised BT agree to install them in a loft.
Regards
Phil
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Just to close this out, the engineer was able to run a brown cable under the lip of the door. It’s about as discreet as I could’ve hoped. FTTP in and working perfectly.
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That looks like a nice, neat, installation. Only those who know (and deliberately set out to look) will see the fibre cable.