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Title: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on February 28, 2020, 08:33:51 AM
Ramsgate and Broadstairs has been on the Fibre First map for many months now as build in progress. I know they've been doing parts of Ramsgate due to the notes on work permits.

But this morning I've opened the curtains to see white arrows pointing away from every BT chamber cover, presumably showing where ducts are, although I always thought we were direct in ground, but perhaps that's just the cable to the house.

My wife just called me a sad git, so I said look at all the little white arrows, isn't it exciting  :lol:
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on February 28, 2020, 09:12:49 AM
There's a company call Cat Surveys surveying the ducts, and spaying little white arrow's  ;D

Can't believe it takes at least five men to do that though.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on February 28, 2020, 09:53:24 AM
So if this happens here then do we expect to have the same level of disruption in our streets as we had with VIM installing fibre? Seems totally daft to me to have two competing fibre solutions rolled out in the same area if the disruption is the same. If they intend to use existing ducts what happens to the final part to the premises, will it be from existing poles with some kind of added distribution box on the pole?

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: CarlT on February 28, 2020, 10:48:45 AM
Existing poles / ducts if they can, else they'll dig new microduct and tees, much as VM do, however using existing ducts as much as possible and spurring off from them.

It could involve entirely new dig across the entire length of the pavement, though, depending on condition of existing plant and options to reuse.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on February 28, 2020, 11:09:54 AM
They were rodding and roping our ducts, ours is all underground, and from the pavement to property is direct in ground.

More than happy to put up with some disruption if it means we can get fttp as well, gives lots of options.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: kitz on February 28, 2020, 11:16:58 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on February 28, 2020, 11:19:12 AM
The concern I have is that ducts in our road are quite old and we have poles for the final bit, in the past I had issues with my phone line which were resolved by messing about in the manholes because of old cables and water ingress which has not been an issue since but I do wonder if my existing line will survive new fibre cables being pulled through the existing ducts. I know they would have to fix it but could do without the disruption were it to happen.

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: CarlT on February 28, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
They'll replace the drop cable with a hybrid copper/fibre cable.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on February 28, 2020, 01:35:52 PM
Stuart, at least with your line being overhead you won't face the issues you would have had with Virgin. You can always switch to a VoIP solution over fibre as well
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on February 28, 2020, 02:25:30 PM
They'll replace the drop cable with a hybrid copper/fibre cable.

Do they build a new chamber at the bottom of the pole as mine doesn't appear to have any access to the duct at the pole?

I'm also seeing quite a few jobs pop up for one-way polyduct and new chambers, many outside of the exchange coverage area but I figure they may be planning to run the fibre from my exchange out further than it currently covers for phone lines?  This would make sense as its one of the bigger exchanges in the city so if they over-build from it, once copper is gone they could close the smaller exchanges.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Black Sheep on February 28, 2020, 05:35:10 PM
NB: FTTP build guidelines are to use existing duct, boxes and poles in the first instance.

If the TRR (Test, Rod & Rope) results return an inordinate amount of A55's (civils work), the 'civils avoidance' planning will play a part. If this means feeding a UG premises overhead, then so be it .... but it is a last resort.

As Carl mentions, Gabicom multi-tubing is also an option for FTTP provision, it all depends on what the survey produces and what the TRR results return as to how we will proceed ??.

To answer Stuarts question, yes ..... the CBT (Connectorised Block Terminal) will be placed on the pole if an overhead feed is in place. These are 4/8/12 port devices, so there may be more than one installed dependant on the amount of premises it feeds.

Alex, again yes .... if it requires a JUF2 building at the bottom of the pole, then it will be built.

Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on February 28, 2020, 06:04:50 PM
As shown http://andysworld.org.uk/2018/07/04/how-andysworld-ultrafast-fttp-broadband-was-installed/
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: mofa2020 on February 28, 2020, 06:20:48 PM
Can FTTC be upgraded to FTTP? as I understand that one part is already done (fiber from exchange to the cabinet) and the other part is replacing the remaining copper distance to buildings and homes with fiber cables, I believe some things need to be changed in the cabinet for that but the existing fiber used for FTTC would still be used.. am I right  :hmm: ?

I am from another country where there are no poles and everything is ducted for phone lines / FTTC
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: mrk26 on February 28, 2020, 07:06:23 PM
Yes, that is possible, and is actually available in UK as FTTP on demand, mainly offered to business customers, however if your pocket is deep enough this can be done for home users as well, just expensive.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: RealAleMadrid on February 28, 2020, 08:01:11 PM
It is "FTTP on Demand" and does not come from the fibre at the FTTC cabinet but from a nearby (hopefully) Fibre Aggregation Node which links back to the exchange. As it is a custom installation prices can be high, 10K to 20K GBP or more unless the node is very close in which case you may pay under 10K so not generally economically viable for residential customers. :o
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: mofa2020 on February 28, 2020, 09:05:33 PM
FTTC FTW  :lol:
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on March 13, 2020, 11:54:02 AM
As I was out for a walk the other day I noticed that there is RR and ND sprayed by the chamber covers with arrows.

Anybody know what this means?

Only thing I can think of it Roped & Rodded and perhaps No Duct
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Wera on March 16, 2020, 11:25:16 AM
As I was out for a walk the other day I noticed that there is RR and ND sprayed by the chamber covers with arrows.

Anybody know what this means?

Only thing I can think of it Roped & Rodded and perhaps No Duct

Openreach were in Cliffsend today doing some tree surgery so I tackled them about the progress of fibre. They claimed the work should be complete by August. They showed me a connectorised block in the van, but they said the work is spreading out from Ramsgate/Broadstairs town centre initially to outlying areas.

I mentioned our property is fed from an underground chamber so he came an opened the lid for me. There was a brand new rope ready to pull the fibre through, so that was encouraging. He claimed the property was surveyed in October last year. Our line runs up to the cabinet at the Viking ship via aluminium wire so I am desperate to get a  decent connection. I am currently using a 4G router and a BT connection in order to get a reasonable speed as I work from home.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on March 16, 2020, 11:50:56 AM
Welcome to the forums Wera. That's good to hear, although I doubt that complete by August applies to all of Ramsgate/Broadstairs. Apart from the markings on our estate I've not seen any other works in Broadstairs, nothing shown on https://one.network/ which mentions PON or fibre spine cabling like quite a few in Ramsgate, but that only shows works which require a permit.

I'm also looking forward to FTTP, although we do currently have Virgin which whilst much better than my aluminium line it does still have problems.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on March 16, 2020, 12:26:33 PM
Is permit only required to clear blockages?  I'd imagine just rodding a duct does not require one?
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: CarlT on March 16, 2020, 01:41:15 PM
Clearing blockages if the rodding doesn't do it require excavation hence permit in some areas. If they are cleared by rodding they aren't noted.

Rodding doesn't usually involve a permit however if it requires closing of a footway it certainly will.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on March 16, 2020, 08:10:27 PM
That's what I thought.  Though its curious when they rewired the local ducting recently it DID show up on one.network, despite the fact it was entirely in the grass verge so did not block the footway at all.  I'm guessing it was due to the fact potentially they might have had to dig up the grass so got permission "just in case".
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Wera on March 22, 2020, 01:35:47 PM
I noticed today whilst strolling around Cliffsend that a number of telephone poles are now sporting blue rope at the base. I haven't noticed this before so I think its fairly recent. Presumably this is to pull the underground cable to the pole so it can hook up to a connectorised block?
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on March 22, 2020, 01:40:02 PM
Yes that's right, could be just for new phone lines, but given its more than one pole and the roll out its much more likely for pulling the fibre tubes through - these are black with a yellow stripe on.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on April 25, 2020, 04:46:42 PM
I've noticed a couple of poles near us with a blue rope at the base. Also seen some guys working for Network Provisioning (at least that what I seem to remember on their van, or some very similar name) just down the road from us so wondering if they are to do with the rollout here in Broadstairs. Be good if they get their fingers out since it was announced last summer to be done by this summer!   :fingers:

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on April 27, 2020, 08:33:34 PM
Can't see anything scheduled in Broadstairs yet, but there's loads around the Southwood Road/ St Mildreds Road area of Ramsgate for the next few weeks.

PS. They seem to refer to it as Thanet Fibre Cities.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Black Sheep on April 28, 2020, 07:21:27 PM
Just had a quick peep and there's deffo planned civils work taking place in Broadstairs, as part of the FTTP 'Fibre Cities' programme.  :)
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on April 28, 2020, 07:58:27 PM
Thanks BS, there certainly is and it seems to be gathering speed, or at least visibility, you may even get me back from the dark side one day  ;)
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Black Sheep on April 28, 2020, 08:30:08 PM
Thanks BS, there certainly is and it seems to be gathering speed, or at least visibility, you may even get me back from the dark side one day  ;)

Ha ha ....  :fingers:  ;D
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on April 28, 2020, 09:29:56 PM
Just had a quick peep and there's deffo planned civils work taking place in Broadstairs, as part of the FTTP 'Fibre Cities' programme.  :)

Seeing anything for Intake exchange in Sheffield?  ;)  Its killing me not being able to go out and snoop around.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Black Sheep on April 29, 2020, 07:29:27 PM
Indeed ..... first hit I did, revealed a duct section being put in for a PON just off Wood Ln. Completion date is actually todays date.

Pretty much BAU on our FTTP delivery workstreams (Fibre cities, Retro-New sites, New sites, Rural, MDU), albeit with sometime smaller teams, due to the obvious challenges we face at this moment.

 :) :)

Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on May 07, 2020, 10:27:25 AM
I registered my interest when I found out our area was scheduled for FTTP, and the other day I actually had an email from Openreach confirming we are planned to get it (subject to the usual), which is good news  ;D
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on May 07, 2020, 04:05:16 PM
On my walk today I noticed many BT manholes with RR marked on them including ones near my cabinet. Is this something to do with it.

Stuaft
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on May 07, 2020, 08:10:26 PM
I'm sure it is, and I'm guessing that RR means Roped & Rodded, loads around our estate have been done, some have distances which I think are to blockages perhaps.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on May 08, 2020, 09:39:15 AM
Thanks to the FTTP Surprise thread I went on the mentioned site and registered my interest. Looks from the write up on that site that the fibre will be available from ISPs like FTTC is today so I may be able to move to fibre with TT as I've just signed a new contract with them for 18 months, I'll have to wait and see.

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on May 08, 2020, 09:47:04 AM
Stuart, yes in theory any ISP that uses the FFTC network can supply via FTTP, but many don't, but more are getting on board. TT currently doesn't, but are expected to soon.

This thread might well be of interest https://community.talktalk.co.uk/t5/Fibre-Broadband/How-to-order-TalkTalk-Openreach-FTTP-Future-Fibre/td-p/2453962
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Wera on May 09, 2020, 07:12:24 PM
I registered my interest when I found out our area was scheduled for FTTP, and the other day I actually had an email from Openreach confirming we are planned to get it (subject to the usual), which is good news  ;D
I got my notification as well Ronski. About a month back OR were working in Foads Lane so I asked the guys how things were progressing. One of the engineers kindly lifted up the cover to our chamber and pointed out the blue rope ready to pull the cable through. He claimed they were supposed to be finished by August, but that may well be put back now.

I notice plenty of duct clearing going on around Southwood currently, and in the centre of Ramsgate. They have already cleared the ducts around Cliffsend, so hopefully the actual cabling should go quickly. I am surprised though that there doesn't seem to be much if any activity in and around Broadstairs. Maybe the survery showed very little need for duct clearing? Or maybe its been pushed back to later in the summer?
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on May 09, 2020, 08:42:31 PM
I think they are concentrating on Ramsgate first, apart from surveying I've seen no road works for Broadstairs, plenty for Ramsgate though, and mostly the areas you've said. Seems like they've started the far side of Ramsgate and are working their way across towards Broadstairs.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on May 14, 2020, 07:59:06 AM
Spotted the first scheduled roadworks in Broadstairs, on Northwood Road, clearing ducts, over head works and other work relating to Thanet Fibre Cities. Work is currently in progress 😁
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on May 14, 2020, 01:20:31 PM
Today on my walk I noticed there has been a lot of work around the chessboard area and many manholes are marked RR, also a couple next to poles which have BAB or CD/UT for the part to the pole. Also this morning CatSurveys are doing Crow Hill. So there is progress.

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: SlimJ on May 16, 2020, 11:18:16 PM
Cycled along Grange Road in Ramsgate today, appears fibre and fibre equipment (joints, CBTs, yellow caution labels) is now on a few poles.  Things appear to be ramping up now it seems! :)
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on June 21, 2020, 05:47:54 PM
There's loads of roadworks scheduled for the area between Newington Rd, Whitehall Rd and Margate Rd. Also around Westcliff and Nethercourt, all do to with FTTP :-)
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: SlimJ on June 22, 2020, 10:51:47 AM
Looks like the first chunk of Ramsgate has now gone live with FTTP!

Would expect this to start expanding quite rapidly now.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on June 22, 2020, 01:19:48 PM
Which area is that?

Don't  worry it shows up on the think broadband map.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: SlimJ on June 22, 2020, 03:27:04 PM
Don't  worry it shows up on the think broadband map.

Sorry, thought we all used that to see progress!!  ;)
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on June 22, 2020, 03:37:26 PM
Sorry, thought we all used that to see progress!!  ;)

I usually do when the brain is engaged  ;)
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Wera on June 27, 2020, 07:42:20 AM
It looks like Nethercourt is getting plenty of attention next week. I just hope they dont do what they did with Cabinet 21 in Cliffsend and leave that till the very end. Mind you with the amount of workers they have it wouldn't take the long for such a small area hopefully.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: SlimJ on July 08, 2020, 11:42:49 AM
Andrew has updated the FTTP map for Ramsgate area today. See here: https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/index.php?tab=2&election=1#6/51.414/-0.641/geafttp/

Some Roadworks appeared for Cliffsend, doesn't look like this area will be completed until the new year based on the dates noted.

Also noted that Deal (which is on the Rural list) is now seeing progress, which is good to see.  Keeping an eye on Sandwich and Eastry area also (it's on my regular cycle route...) as these are on the Rural list, but there's no activity to note as yet.  Some of the more rural villages north of Ash (Cop Street) appear to be due to get FTTP soon (not on the list but this area doesn't appear to have an FTTC cabinet so assume they are on ADSL still :D ).
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Wera on July 08, 2020, 12:08:30 PM
That's disappointing, though not unexpected as they seemed to leave the FTC cab at the Viking ship till last when they were running that in. I can see they have one active FTTP in Cliffsend so far, but this must be the new build in former the asparagus field. It does seem like the connections become available pretty quickly once they complete the work though.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on July 08, 2020, 12:41:19 PM
We are still seeing sporadic work in Broadstairs checking ducts etc but I guess we will be a long way back in the schedule. When they first rolled out ADSL etc here Broadstairs was one of the first parts done, shame it's not the same for FTTP. I've only seen one Virgin connection in our road even now.

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on July 08, 2020, 03:48:25 PM
Looks like my area of Broadstairs is lagging behind, there's some road works scheduled for October.

Good news about Sandwich, our VDSL is rather poor at work, we get about 40/6 Mbps, so hopefully our estate will be done.

PS The new builds in Cliffsend is the ones by the underpass, one of my colleagues has just moved in there, took the lowest FTTP package BT do I believe.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on July 08, 2020, 08:27:26 PM
That's disappointing, though not unexpected as they seemed to leave the FTC cab at the Viking ship till last when they were running that in. I can see they have one active FTTP in Cliffsend so far, but this must be the new build in former the asparagus field. It does seem like the connections become available pretty quickly once they complete the work though.

Cliffsend has multiple road works related to FTTP installation scheduled for the end of January
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Wera on July 09, 2020, 09:07:52 AM
A bit of a wait, but it does look hopeful that I can finally get away the aluminium cable I have now. Plus my 4G contract with 3 ends not long after so I can get rid of that as well  ;D
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on July 13, 2020, 08:40:12 PM
Keeping an eye on Sandwich and Eastry area also (it's on my regular cycle route...) as these are on the Rural list, but there's no activity to note as yet.

Checked my works address on the Sandwich Industrial Estate today, and got this  :fingers:

Quote
Faster and more reliable fibre is coming to your area soon. Full Fibre is our fastest technology, but your exact speed will depend on which broadband provider and package you choose. Sign up for news and updates.

We only get 40/6Mbps and our line is starting to struggle with the number of users, so FTTP will be ordered as soon as it's live.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: SlimJ on July 14, 2020, 10:52:25 AM
Yeah, Sandwich is on the Rural list of FTTP locations (along with Eastry & Worth - and Woodnesborough says 'FTTP Coming Soon' although not on the list).  Assume this will cover Sandwich Bay area also as that appears to be 'sub-superfast'. Wondering how many 'teams' Openreach have in the local area, so it may not have work start until Deal is completed (would imagine work won't be completed in all these locations by March 2021 though!)

Would like to see a few more village locations added to the list soon, including my own from the Minster (Ramsgate) exchange! :)  Working from home really highlights the need for more than a 1Mbit upload!!
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Wera on July 14, 2020, 03:06:54 PM

They scheduled some work up at the Lord of the Manor for October originally, but they have pushed that forward to this week. I suspect the issue with the other side of the village is all the work Southern Water are doing on the Sandwich Road (don't get me started on that!) This isn't scheduled to complete until November so I expect they are waiting till that's done. I note also that Acol might get fttp pretty soon as they have some cabling going on at the top of Acol Hill this week.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: SlimJ on July 14, 2020, 10:27:38 PM
I note also that Acol might get fttp pretty soon as they have some cabling going on at the top of Acol Hill this week.

Yes, this is part of a Community Fibre project.  I think it was going to cost around 100k but they had enough people sign up for grants to cover the entire cost.  Estimated to go live early next year.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on July 15, 2020, 05:27:46 AM
Andrew has updated the FTTP map for Ramsgate area today. See here: https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/index.php?tab=2&election=1#6/51.414/-0.641/geafttp/

That map is curious as its showing FTTP in a few areas on my exchange but I'm unable to confirm that anywhere else.  One of the areas BT don't even have that estate listed on their broadband checker as its too new.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on July 30, 2020, 07:49:55 AM
Yeah, Sandwich is on the Rural list of FTTP locations (along with Eastry & Worth - and Woodnesborough says 'FTTP Coming Soon' although not on the list).  Assume this will cover Sandwich Bay area also as that appears to be 'sub-superfast'. Wondering how many 'teams' Openreach have in the local area, so it may not have work start until Deal is completed (would imagine work won't be completed in all these locations by March 2021 though!)

Would like to see a few more village locations added to the list soon, including my own from the Minster (Ramsgate) exchange! :)  Working from home really highlights the need for more than a 1Mbit upload!!

I noticed an announcement on ISP Review this morning saying another 251 places added, so took a look at the map, the whole of Deal through to Sandwich is included now. Also Canterbury, Faversham, Whistable and Herne Bay. The attached map can be found via this link https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/fibre-first
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: SlimJ on July 30, 2020, 12:19:06 PM
Yeah noticed that, all areas are pretty much showing as 'Build in Progress', I wonder if this is true or not/just an error? Whitstable and Herne Bay already appear to have a little FTTP rolled out.

Exciting times watching more and more FTTP locations being built. Certainly feels that the roll out speed is really starting to ramp up just recently.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: j0hn on July 31, 2020, 12:41:29 AM
That map is curious as its showing FTTP in a few areas on my exchange but I'm unable to confirm that anywhere else.  One of the areas BT don't even have that estate listed on their broadband checker as its too new.

Andrew will likely use the OpenReach checker rather than the BT Wholesale checker to confirm availability.

He added my development to their maps about a month before it was showing available on the BT Wholesale checker.
The OpenReach site was showing availability.

I could order FTTP from ISP's who don't use BT Wholesale but couldn't order from those that do like BT or Cerberus.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on July 31, 2020, 01:44:53 AM
Its certainly interesting as I think SamKnows said FTTP available in some areas for quite some time.  So I guess some new builds got it?
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: CarlT on July 31, 2020, 08:22:11 AM
BT built some brownfield FTTP a few places in 2009-2010. They then realised how expensive it was and wound back their ambitions for FTTP while increasing coverage ambitions for FTTC.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on July 31, 2020, 10:45:31 AM
Andrew does occasionally get it wrong, one of my friends moved into a local new build, his map showed FTTP,, but the checker said no, turns out there was some confusion over the postcode location IIRC. Somewhere nearby which does have FTTP wasn't shown and it should have been that location.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: SlimJ on August 24, 2020, 03:34:25 PM
Not Ramsgate or Broadstairs related, but I noticed they were busy hanging fibre cable between Ham and Eastry this morning so would imagine progress will be made on the whole Sandwich area over the coming months.

There was also some new Openreach road markings between Woodnesborough and Sandwich the other day, also some roadworks planned to hang fibre cable in Woodnesborough coming up!
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on August 24, 2020, 03:41:34 PM
Let's hope Sandwich progresses quickly, could do with a better connection here at work.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on August 29, 2020, 10:34:47 AM
Some of Nethercourt, Manston Road and St. Lawrence is now live.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on September 12, 2020, 05:29:20 PM
Part of Northwood Road, and all of Vincent Close in Broadstairs is now live.

Also got a mate that lives in The Russets/The Ridings area of Chestfield Whitstable and that's live to.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: SlimJ on September 14, 2020, 09:48:09 AM
Part of Northwood Road, and all of Vincent Close in Broadstairs is now live.

Also got a mate that lives in The Russets/The Ridings area of Chestfield Whitstable and that's live to.

Nice.  Do you have some postcodes, I'll fire them across to Andrew on TB, he'll update the map and will be able to find others. :)

I rode through Deal yesterday, there seems to be some good progress there, not checked if anything is live just yet.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: dog-man on September 14, 2020, 10:08:34 AM
Can anyone provide a photo of the boxes that are fitted to telegraph poles when it has FTTP please?

I had an email some time ago from OpenReach telling me I will have FTTP very soon as work has now began in my area.
I have yet to see and OpenReach engineers in my area except for the ones who frequent the exchange further up my road.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on September 14, 2020, 10:12:40 AM
Nice.  Do you have some postcodes, I'll fire them across to Andrew on TB, he'll update the map and will be able to find others. :)

I rode through Deal yesterday, there seems to be some good progress there, not checked if anything is live just yet.

Already done, sent them an email Saturday with a couple of post codes - CT5 3QG and CT10 2ND 
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: SlimJ on September 14, 2020, 10:16:12 AM
Already done, sent them an email Saturday with a couple of post codes - CT5 3QG and CT10 2ND

I've found some more for Thanet, and some for Deal. So I'll send an email also.  Hopefully he'll be able to pick up any that we haven't found.  ;D
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on September 14, 2020, 10:17:35 AM
Can anyone provide a photo of the boxes that are fitted to telegraph poles when it has FTTP please?

I had an email some time ago from OpenReach telling me I will have FTTP very soon as work has now began in my area.
I have yet to see and OpenReach engineers in my area except for the ones who frequent the exchange further up my road.

There are some pictures here http://andysworld.org.uk/tag/fttp/

I've noticed on the poles around our way there is a yellow tag which states "caution overhead fibre", bear in mind it could be FTTPod, but if the CBT Iis on the pole you're connected to then you will be able to order once live.

Edited for clarity.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: dog-man on September 14, 2020, 10:22:56 AM
Thank You.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Wera on September 21, 2020, 11:59:35 AM
Chilton Lane today. CBT? I am surprised they haven't bolted the block to the pole, but I dont suppose it takes them long.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on September 21, 2020, 01:08:43 PM
They've been doing a lot of work on that area recently, top of Downs Road and quite a lot of the West Cliff area has been live for ages.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: SlimJ on October 06, 2020, 08:42:25 AM
Bit more of Ramsgate now live and showing on the Think Broadband map.

I've not been through Ramsgate/Broadstairs recently so not sure where's likely to go live next.  Roadworks suggests work is being done along Margate Road and Hereson Road.

Not Thanet related, but Bramling (Wingham) has also gone live in the past few days.  There's also a number of CBT's already installed along Hicks Forstal Road nr Herne - looks like the final bit of work to connect everything up is due to be completed this month.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: dog-man on October 06, 2020, 09:59:47 AM
Samknows says that my exchange in Broadstairs has gone live for FTTP but BT checker says no, not yet.
No works have taken place on the poles in my road.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on October 06, 2020, 10:12:50 AM
I would not bother looking on Sam Knows, FTTP is live in most exchanges, but it does not mean its wide spread or available.

Instead look here https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/broadband-map#14/51.3331/1.4060/geafttp/ although it will lag behind actual live dates.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: dog-man on October 06, 2020, 10:19:36 AM
Very handy, thank you.
That one is saying we have FTTP in my area. I guess they mean Virgin.
I considered that as cable, not FTTP but I suppose really, it is FTTP.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: j0hn on October 06, 2020, 11:21:56 AM
As above Samknows is pretty useless now.
It still tells me Virgin isn't available despite them covering huge chunks of the exchange over the last 3 years.

FTTP shows available on an exchange once ANY properties are enabled by OpenReach FTTP.
So it might say available despite only a few new build areas having FTTP.

I tried clicking "Spotted an error? Let us know" on Samknows page for my exchange but it's a dead form.
They focus on their Speed testing for ISP's now and their availability pages are just a legacy after thought.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on October 06, 2020, 01:31:20 PM
Very handy, thank you.
That one is saying we have FTTP in my area. I guess they mean Virgin.
I considered that as cable, not FTTP but I suppose really, it is FTTP.

If you're looking on the map link I gave then it is only showing Openreach FTTP,  unless you selected another layer option. The only area I know of in Broadstairs which is live with with OR FTTP is a small area of Northwood.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: dog-man on October 06, 2020, 02:26:41 PM
I am very close to the exchange that is in Seafield Road.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Bowdon on October 06, 2020, 05:04:23 PM
I noticed Broadstairs is on the new added list of exchanges that will be moving fully from copper to fibre migration. I guess that is a good sign that the entire exchange area will get full fibre?

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/10/openreach-add-51-areas-to-the-copper-phone-to-fttp-migration.html (https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/10/openreach-add-51-areas-to-the-copper-phone-to-fttp-migration.html)
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: j0hn on October 06, 2020, 05:29:08 PM
I noticed Broadstairs is on the new added list of exchanges that will be moving fully from copper to fibre migration. I guess that is a good sign that the entire exchange area will get full fibre?

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/10/openreach-add-51-areas-to-the-copper-phone-to-fttp-migration.html (https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/10/openreach-add-51-areas-to-the-copper-phone-to-fttp-migration.html)

Not really.

It says in that very article you linked that it only needs 75% coverage to be triggered.

Any properties that don't get FTTP in time (there will be many) will be excluded from any stop sell on copper services.

Majority will be covered yes. The majority isn't the entire exchange though.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on October 07, 2020, 09:37:56 AM
Well as I walk round my area, known as chessboard, in Broadstairs I can see preparatory work has been done on most ducts and poles although much of the painted notes have been worn or washed away so I'd expect most of the 01843 area will eventually be covered. One thought though does full fibre replacing copper mean as much disruption as we had with Virgin? If so that wont go down well in many quarters! I just hope they use poles where they already exist.

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: SlimJ on October 07, 2020, 09:50:43 AM
One thought though does full fibre replacing copper mean as much disruption as we had with Virgin? If so that wont go down well in many quarters! I just hope they use poles where they already exist.

Openreach will normally use existing ducts and poles, the only disruption likely is if they need to do a dig to replace or clear ducts.  Virgin were required to dig their own trenches to complete there work, but it did amaze me at how quickly they appeared to get things done!

Just to note that the old copper cables will remain in place, it's not likely they will be removed/recovered for a very long time!
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on October 17, 2020, 11:05:42 PM
Some of the top end of Ramsgate Road, The Ridgway and Marlborough Close Broadstairs are now live.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on October 17, 2020, 11:12:34 PM
it's not likely they will be removed/recovered for a very long time!

Well not by Openreach at least.  :lol:  I can imagine it being quite appealing for copper thieves if they can see people have fibre so can nick the copper without anyone noticing.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on October 18, 2020, 09:58:11 AM
The trouble is they rip the fibre out as well,  some times they just can't tell the difference, and even if they could it would get dragged out along with the copper.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Wera on October 18, 2020, 07:19:12 PM
The trouble is they rip the fibre out as well,  some times they just can't tell the difference, and even if they could it would get dragged out along with the copper.
If they ever rip out mine I will derive some satisfaction from the how little they will earn when they try and flog it only to find its worthless aluminium.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: j0hn on October 18, 2020, 09:53:57 PM
If they ever rip out mine I will derive some satisfaction from the how little they will earn when they try and flog it only to find its worthless aluminium.

Having recently taken some to the local scrap yard i can assure you Aluminium isn't worthless.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: rmbles on October 21, 2020, 09:34:31 AM
I'm in College Road (margate road end) and keep seeing the fibre boxes either tied round poles or actually mounted to them within a few hundred yards of my house.
It looks like my copper comes in underground though as there's no telegraph feeding me.

Any idea how long it is from fibre black boxes going up on poles to actually being able to order a FTTP service?
Also - initially is it only available from BT or would Voda/TalkTalk/etc be able to offer the service too?
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on October 21, 2020, 10:13:09 AM
Hi rmbles, welcome to the forums.

It can be weeks or many months or more, no telling really. Top of my brothers road went live ages ago, yet the bottom end hasn't. I'm pretty sure those supplied overhead will be live quicker than those fed underground. We are also underground fed  :(

Once live, you should be able to order from any ISP that sells an FTTP service, there are some exceptions if the ISP doesn't have the required cable links at the exchange, but I suspect with the size of Ramsgate that shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: SlimJ on October 21, 2020, 01:24:34 PM
As Ronski says, could be weeks or months, but more and more of the network in Ramsgate is going live now with some also going live in Broadstairs.

You can see the map of live areas here (just note that this isn't bang up to date - it's more than likely that some new areas have gone live recently): https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/index.php?tab=2&election=1#14/51.3486/1.4144/geafttp/
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: dog-man on October 27, 2020, 03:23:32 PM
I noticed that some sort of works was going on in Osborne Road, Broadstairs this morning. I couldn't work out what they were doing, but they ended up doing something at the base of a telegraph pole.
Their lorry was blocking my view.

Now, I notice that right at the base of the pole there is a sign saying "Morrison Telecom Services" and a couple of yellow plates across the pavement with barriers around it.
So, I assume that this company is subcontracted by Open Reach to do the work of making FTTP available.
Does anyone know if this is the case?
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on October 27, 2020, 03:40:18 PM
Yes it is work for the fttp roll out - the works are shown on https://one.network/ Sounds like they are replacing the duct to the pole.

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Location:

Junction of Osborne Road on Manor Road

Description:

BROADSTAIRS V6123 - PON D12879 - BLOCKAGES – Excavate onto BT ducts for the clearance of duct blockages in FOOTWAY to facilitate spine cabling works.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: dog-man on October 27, 2020, 04:14:27 PM
That's good to know. I wonder how soon before it reaches the point of going live?

Last time I checked that site for roadworks there was nothing listed in Osborne Road. Must have appeared very recently.

I am getting excited now. :D
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on October 27, 2020, 05:43:22 PM
Once the duct's are clear they will need to pull the fibre and install at the top of the pole, will be a while longer yet, as to how long, no one knows.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: dog-man on October 27, 2020, 05:45:12 PM
My telescope is now fixed on that pole. :D
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on October 27, 2020, 05:57:09 PM
You want to be careful with comments like that  ;)

Just remember that they will do more than just your pole before it goes live, but safe to say you can start getting excited  ;D
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: SlimJ on October 28, 2020, 08:50:43 AM
I wonder how soon before it reaches the point of going live?

Probably likely to be a Christmas present! ;)

Seems like much of the road work part is completed in Ramsgate now as most of the roadworks are moving on to Broadstairs.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on October 28, 2020, 10:20:08 AM
Certainly seems to be plenty planned in Broadstairs now, but none on my estate yet. :( Some around the out skirts on the main roads though. Our estate is ducted to the chambers, but if my house is anything to go by then the connection to the property is direct in ground.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on October 28, 2020, 12:22:16 PM
Just checked and there are planned works in or near Crow Hill for Jan 2021 for fibre related works  ;D  Maybe live in time for my current contract which ends next year!

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on October 28, 2020, 01:21:13 PM
SlimJ, good luck on your CFP, keep us all updated on how you get on.

Stuart hopefully as your all on poles yours should be pretty straightforward, and quite likely those scheduled works are for the actual installation of the fibre by the way they read.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: rmbles on November 18, 2020, 04:44:52 PM
The road near to me has now gone live, and i can see their postcode is available to order ultrafast on the BT checker.  However I'm tied into a vodafone contract for another 17 months, and they're not showing that their gigafast product is available to that address.  Vodafone support just say they only have access to what the web checker says.  Any idea how long it might take for 3rd-party ISPs to catch up?
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on November 18, 2020, 07:28:48 PM
You say the road next to has gone live, what about your actual road? Which road is it?
What does this checker say for your full address https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL/AddressHome


I noticed the other day that Approach Rd, Upper Approach Rd, Chaucer Rd, Howard Rd and Inverness Terrace all in Broadstairs are now live.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: rmbles on November 18, 2020, 08:30:34 PM
My road isn't live yet (CT117SY) but CT117ST is, and appears on the checker as 'FTTP is available'.  I'm using the postcode that is live in vodafone's checker.  Even if it takes BT another 6 months to get to my road, i'm still going to be in contract with VF for another year, so will be gutted if I can't order through them.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on December 03, 2020, 04:05:43 PM
Been checking for signs of work in my area and found this today for January on roadworks.org

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Description:    LAY DUCT IN FOOTWAY TOWARDS CUSTOMER PROPERTY

which states this is outside 28 Crow Hill. Now what puzzles me is that there are ducts all the way up the road and all have been checked, and these existing ducts are all on the same side as no 28. We all have our feeds from poles in Crow Hill, so why duct in footway towards this house. Also 28 itself has a connection to a pole. The confusion factor is that next to 28 there are 3 houses (well 2 new builds and 1 conversion) being built in the garden of an old bungalow which is on Linden Avenue, so could this be for the new builds, but why a new duct? Any ideas?

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on December 03, 2020, 08:12:37 PM
Could it possibly be for a new pole, 28's pole is roughly 50 meters away? Perhaps it's going in to serve the new houses as well - always though that bit of land looked ripe for building on, although typical small gardens.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on December 03, 2020, 08:24:00 PM
Yes very small gardens and the biggest property is the oldest converted from a bungalow to a 4 bed chalet with miniscule garden, all 3 on sale for a total of 1.675 million  :o and all 3 advertised as new builds.  :o only 2 are real new builds in my view. Don't mention the noise and disruption  >:(

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on December 03, 2020, 08:27:45 PM
I'm certainly in the wrong game, but trouble is I would have only put two houses in there, very nice profit for someone.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Black Sheep on December 04, 2020, 09:27:49 AM
Been checking for signs of work in my area and found this today for January on roadworks.org

which states this is outside 28 Crow Hill. Now what puzzles me is that there are ducts all the way up the road and all have been checked, and these existing ducts are all on the same side as no 28. We all have our feeds from poles in Crow Hill, so why duct in footway towards this house. Also 28 itself has a connection to a pole. The confusion factor is that next to 28 there are 3 houses (well 2 new builds and 1 conversion) being built in the garden of an old bungalow which is on Linden Avenue, so could this be for the new builds, but why a new duct? Any ideas?

Stuart

The new duct from the base of the pole on Crow Hill, is to feed 2 of the 3 houses you mention above, the 3rd house is being fed via new duct from a box on Delmaney Close/Linden Av.

HTH.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Black Sheep on December 04, 2020, 09:54:29 AM
PS - not certain of your own premises address but No.24 is where 2 splitter-nodes meet. So it depends on which one you are in as to to the ECD of each node. One is the end of Jan, the other is the back end of Feb.

Let's us not get pedantic though (like one or two can do on here), and hone in on the actually estimated completion date. It may be earlier, it may be later .... there may be Xmas embargo hold-ups and in-life change work to be done ... conversely it may go sweet as a nut ??

 :)
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on December 04, 2020, 10:15:56 AM
Thanks Black Sheep for the info. The FTTP install does seem to be progressing well around Ramsgate and Broadstairs. Although nothing happening on my estate at the moment although I think I know why.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: dog-man on December 04, 2020, 10:19:40 AM
I have given up waiting for BT to bring fibre to my home. I have now gone with Virgin and no complaints so far.

Previously with Sky on an 80 / 20 service. I was getting a maximum of 7.4mb a second when downloading.
Now, I max at around 72mb a second.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on December 04, 2020, 10:24:04 AM
I have given up waiting for BT to bring fibre to my home. I have now gone with Virgin and no complaints so far.

Wait until you need some customer support, then you'll certainly have some complaints  ;)
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on December 04, 2020, 10:33:21 AM
The new duct from the base of the pole on Crow Hill, is to feed 2 of the 3 houses you mention above, the 3rd house is being fed via new duct from a box on Delmaney Close/Linden Av.

HTH.

I am puzzled as to why they get a duct when the pole is actually outside the new house on Crow Hill, it is literally by the boundary between the new house and 30 Crow Hill and there is a box in the pathway right next to the base of the pole. Why not feed it from the pole? Only one house fronts Crow Hill the other two are fronting Linden Avenue. Next question has to be are they getting a duct and FTTP or just for now copper phone line? House no 28 is fed from the pole in question as are 6 other houses and a slave pole outside nos 39/41.

I just checked no 28 is an existing house on the downhill side of the new builds so this new one in Crow Hill would be 28A.

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: dog-man on December 04, 2020, 10:41:43 AM
Wait until you need some customer support, then you'll certainly have some complaints  ;)

Yes, I have heard some horror stories about their customer service.
I am an experienced user so would hope that I could fix most issues myself if the fault is at my end.

A recorded delivery letter always works wonders when you can't get through to customer services.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on December 04, 2020, 01:34:17 PM
@dog-man I'm an experienced user, which actually complicated things because I use modem mode, which first line support doesn't understand modem  mode, they are obsessed with WiFi. Every time you phone up you basically start all over again, even if it's an on going fault, try and ask for second tier support and they just send you any where, I've ended up speaking to all sorts of departments.

In the end I managed to get it fixed by using the forum, but both faults had me pulling my hair out and :wall: :wall:
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: dog-man on December 04, 2020, 02:13:59 PM
I am in modem mode also.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: SlimJ on December 11, 2020, 12:21:51 PM
Noticed a little more has gone live around Northwood and up towards the Lidl area.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on December 11, 2020, 01:29:21 PM
That's good, have you emailed Think Broadband so they update the map?
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: SlimJ on December 11, 2020, 01:47:42 PM
Not yet... Sometimes I feel that we're emailing him every 5 minutes and he may not appreciate it!!  :D

It was these, CT126SJ, CT126SE, CT126QB - I have a list of codes I check every now and then but these were new ones I've checked, probably more around this area too.  Unsure if any other areas have gone live yet?
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on December 11, 2020, 03:58:17 PM
I did find one a week or so ago, but didn't think it worth emailing for just one, which I see is in your list.

CT12 6QB (187 - 203)

Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on December 11, 2020, 05:07:35 PM
I was chatting to one of the guys working on the new builds in Crow Hill and asked him if he knew anything about the ducting Black Sheep mentioned but he did not. What puzzled me is that B/S mentioned feeding 2 of the 3 houses from Crow Hill but only one is actually facing Crow Hill, the other two (one of which is not even started yet) are both facing Linden Avenue. Also puzzled as to why they duct these new builds when we are all here in both roads fed from overhead cables on the poles. It would make more sense to me to have both the Linen Avenue houses fed from Linden Avenue and the one on Crow Hill from Crow Hill but perhaps that is too easy  ;)

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Black Sheep on December 11, 2020, 07:16:40 PM
Most new-builds will be fed UG ... that is the preferred method these days.

My observations on the new ducts, were based upon the survey tool that ALL surveyors use when building splitter-nodes. It is where 'Work Orders' are built from and where estimates are created from, it is THE only survey tool they use. Yes, in-life changes can occur, but 99% of the time the way it is surveyed is the way it will be built.

I'd go so far as to say it makes perfect sense as well, with what it shows regarding the duct runs.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: j0hn on December 11, 2020, 08:23:38 PM
I am puzzled as to why they get a duct when the pole is actually outside the new house on Crow Hill, it is literally by the boundary between the new house and 30 Crow Hill and there is a box in the pathway right next to the base of the pole.

It makes sense to install ducting while building a new build, even if the homes either side are fed from a pole, even if the pole is in the back garden of the new build.
The cost for OpenReach to provide the ducting to the builders is a couple quid.
That's a home that should never need an engineer who has been trained to work at heights.
It's as easy as rodding or pulling a bit string to upgrade it to fibre or to replace the drop cable in the future.

All the town's around my area (including my town) is ducted down the main roads and the final drop is overhead via telegraph poles in the back gardens.
Every home has an overhead drop but driving around you can't see any poles as they are all in back gardens.
There's loads of random single new builds built on patches of previously unused land in between existing homes.
All the new builds appear ducted. I don't think any are overhead fed.

There's a good example of this at the end of my street.
There's 8 homes fed by a single telegraph pole. The pole was originally on a piece of derelict land with 4 homes on either side.
Around 8 years ago a new home was built on the derelict land, meaning the telegraph pole is now in the back garden of the new home.
The new home is ducted back to a junction box on the street behind it rather than being fed from the pole in the garden.

Quote
Why not feed it from the pole?

Why do feed it from the pole?

Unless it's just a feeder pole and there's nowhere to connect ducts back to, i can't think of any good reasons to use overhead feeds over underground ducts for a final drop.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on December 11, 2020, 10:24:18 PM
OK so ducts are the way it's done now.

However I don't understand why they are ducting two houses from the same chamber in one road when only one house is in that road, this means that the duct for house two is run under the garden for house one! It makes more sense to duct house 1 from the road it is facing and the other two houses from the other road they are facing and then no one has to have ducting under their garden which has nothing to do with their supply, especially as they will be ducting house 3 from that other road anyway!

I have a vested interest in not having more disturbers connecting to my circuit than necessary, this way there will be two new houses connected via the box in the footpath outside my house rather than one  ;)

I know this all sounds a tad strange to those not knowing the area but the situation is that the plot of land went between two roads and two houses will be fronting one road and one house fronts the other road.

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: burakkucat on December 11, 2020, 10:38:51 PM
I know this all sounds a tad strange to those not knowing the area but the situation is that the plot of land went between two roads and two houses will be fronting one road and one house fronts the other road.

I suspect that j0hn has done exactly the same as me and made a careful study of Google Maps & the images from the "Street View" car. With your added comments it is all quite clear.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Black Sheep on December 12, 2020, 12:31:08 PM
It's nice to wonder how it may pan out ... but I can tell you in no uncertain terms, there will be ductwork going from the box at the base of DP92 on Crow Hill, to a new JF4 outside what they are calling premises A1, from here it is then ducted directly to premises A3. So, two premises will be fed via Crow Hill.

Premises A2 will be fed via Linden Av and will see two new JF4's built on either side of the road, as the duct will run up to No.16 Linden Av, then cross the road .... then into A2 premises.

No overhead, all underground. 
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on December 12, 2020, 01:38:18 PM
Can someone please clarify the terminology here? What are DP92 and JF4?

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on December 12, 2020, 02:34:27 PM
JF4 is a foot way box, or chamber, I presume 4 is reference to the size https://forums.thinkbroadband.com/general/4566921-bt-openreach-markings-next-to-pcp-and-fiber-cabinet.html?fpart=all

DP92 is a distribution pole, I think the number may be marked on the pole.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on December 12, 2020, 03:33:12 PM
JF4 is a foot way box, or chamber, I presume 4 is reference to the size https://forums.thinkbroadband.com/general/4566921-bt-openreach-markings-next-to-pcp-and-fiber-cabinet.html?fpart=all

DP92 is a distribution pole, I think the number may be marked on the pole.

Thanks, I had guessed about the pole, when it is not raining I'll take a close look at the pole to see if it's marked.

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Black Sheep on December 12, 2020, 03:41:58 PM
Can someone please clarify the terminology here? What are DP92 and JF4?

Stuart

My apologies ... I incorrectly assumed you'd been on this forum long enough to have heard and understood the terminology, with regard to plant references. If it was a noobie, I'd have gone into further detail.

Ron has hit the nail on the head, and to expand further .... each distribution point (DP) whether it be overhead (pole), underground (joint box) or external (wall mounted block), has a unique reference number. They should be nailed-on plastic circular discs on the poles, but they sometimes can be missing over the years.

JF is an abbreviation of jointbox footway (we obviously have carriageway boxes too) ..... there are many and varied jointboxes, but the most common are JB23 (small rectangular cove), JB26 (slightly larger rectangular cover), JF4 (1 square cover), JF6 (2 square covers, JF10 (3 square covers).

 
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on December 12, 2020, 11:38:55 PM
No apologies necessary, I have probably missed many of the discussions on here over the years and anyway you learn something new every day!

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: SlimJ on December 15, 2020, 12:52:55 PM
I did find one a week or so ago, but didn't think it worth emailing for just one, which I see is in your list.

CT12 6QB (187 - 203)

Should all be on the map now along with some other areas I found.  Looks like some of Hereson road area has also gone live.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on December 15, 2020, 01:15:01 PM
Looking good, certainly a lot of areas coming online now.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on December 17, 2020, 11:24:37 AM
Just to follow up on the pole in Crow Hill DP92 is actually outside No 30 not No 28 as the work permit shows, there is no pole outside either the new property or No 20, Yes there is a box beneath DP92. As for which property is designated A1 that is up for debate as it does not agree with the planning application where plot 1 is the original bungalow now extended in Linden Avenue and the Crow Hill one is plot 3.

Just to confuse things further the builders applied for a second planning permission for these same 3 new builds but this has been refused! Now from what I've been reading a subsequent planning application for the same development submitted before completion of the previous successful application invalidates all permissions meaning the current state is 'unlawful development'  ;D So we now do not know what is happening and I suspect they will have to appeal. But do they risk carrying on or do they stop in case any appeal fails. I have no found out the reason for the refusal as that has not been published. In addition one property is 'sold subject to contract' but I cannot imagine any solicitor will allow the purchase to go through while it is deemed an unlawful development.

Also raises the question of whether BTOR will want to do their work in the new year considering the current state?

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: dog-man on December 17, 2020, 11:30:52 AM
The pole outside 20 Osborne Road, Broadstairs was cabled up with a new junction box up top yesterday.
So that will be live very soon.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: dog-man on December 17, 2020, 12:39:15 PM
Correction********

I thought they had finished, but they are back now finishing off on the pole outside 20 Osborne Road.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on December 17, 2020, 01:28:31 PM
Just to confuse things further the builders applied for a second planning permission for these same 3 new builds but this has been refused! Now from what I've been reading a subsequent planning application for the same development submitted before completion of the previous successful application invalidates all permissions meaning the current state is 'unlawful development'  ;D So we now do not know what is happening and I suspect they will have to appeal. But do they risk carrying on or do they stop in case any appeal fails. I have no found out the reason for the refusal as that has not been published. In addition one property is 'sold subject to contract' but I cannot imagine any solicitor will allow the purchase to go through while it is deemed an unlawful development.

I'm pretty sure the original permission still stands, so as long as its built as the original granted planning permission states, then they should be fine.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on December 17, 2020, 01:37:20 PM
I'm pretty sure the original permission still stands, so as long as its built as the original granted planning permission states, then they should be fine.

Yes that's what I thought, but there was a recent case in the high court (and I think the supreme court) which implies otherwise, don't know for sure it applies but it could.

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: j0hn on December 17, 2020, 02:34:24 PM
I'm pretty sure the original permission still stands, so as long as its built as the original granted planning permission states, then they should be fine.

It definitely still stands.
Been involved in the planning process for years, North and South of the border.

It's VERY common to get planning permission by taking the advise of planning officers and following their recommendations.
Then after approval apply for new planning permission with tweaks to the original plans (like a bigger house/extra rooms).

Sometimes there are 8, 10, 12 sets of plans submitted for approval on larger sites.
If every new application invalidated the preceding application it would cause chaos.

I'm also a fully certified homes under the hammer watcher and see my mate Dion talking about this all the time  ::)
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: supernoodles on December 17, 2020, 09:56:03 PM
hey guys any word on if the rollout will cover "New Meridian Village" near tesco manston in ramsgate?

So Observatory Way / Meridian Close etc

CT126AZ for example

The fibre first map cuts off at Stanner court i did see on https://one.network/ mention of Spine work but that has since disappeared i also saw two guys in my road feeding a yellow cable of some sort from one drain to another.

I currently get 80/20 so its not the end of the world but 1gb isn't gonna be something i pass up a chance to have lol

Thanks in advance for any help :)
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on December 17, 2020, 10:28:44 PM
Not sure why you say the https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/fibre-first map cuts off at Stanner Court, I just checked and it covers right up to the Haine Road.

I doubt there would need to be any roadworks permits for your estate, it's all new build so the ducts should be nice and clear, making it an easy install.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: supernoodles on December 18, 2020, 01:52:27 AM
oh dear i am apparently terrible at reading maps :lol: just took another look and zoomed in with windows magnifier because you can't zoom in super far on the map and realised i was looking at the green area thinking that was my road :D

Sorry for the waste of time lol
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on December 18, 2020, 06:20:20 AM
No problem, try control + to zoom in a browser window, control - to zoom out and control 0 to reset.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: rmbles on January 06, 2021, 11:06:14 AM
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2021/01/openreach-delays-new-broadband-installs-due-to-covid19.html
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Wera on January 06, 2021, 04:41:56 PM
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2021/01/openreach-delays-new-broadband-installs-due-to-covid19.html
I am hoping I can get an escalation given the length of my current connection. They have started running the cables in Cliffsend this week and should get started on my end of the village next week. Though I imagine it takes a while before its signed off and the database is updated
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: SlimJ on January 06, 2021, 05:16:38 PM
I am hoping I can get an escalation given the length of my current connection. They have started running the cables in Cliffsend this week and should get started on my end of the village next week. Though I imagine it takes a while before its signed off and the database is updated

I would imagine if they're running cables in Cliffsend over the course of the next month then it will probably be March/April time before things go live.

At least this pause in installations hopefully means more focus can be put towards network building!  My brother is due an FTTP installation in early February (new 'old' house purchase) so assume this could be delayed.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Wera on January 28, 2021, 11:21:46 AM
I had a stroll around the village at the weekend, but there wasn't much to see on the surface. They have dug some new trenches in Sandwich Road presumably for new ducts, I also saw a couple of guys pulling a cable out in Foads Lane, but no sign of any connectorised blocks hanging from the poles so far. The weather probably hasn't helped them though.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on January 28, 2021, 12:13:46 PM
We had work this week in Crow Hill clearing ducts etc. Interesting thing is that there are 3 new houses being built in Crow Hill and next week BTOR are installing ducting from the pole outside to two of these properties. What I want to know is if this is an FTTP infrastructure install will it means any Crow Hill residents currently supplied from the same ducting only via poles get FTTP as well? I'd be really upset if they only supply FTTP to these 3 houses and not the rest of the post code. Bear in mind these new properties are not finished yet and only one has been provisionally sold.

As I was typing this there was a knock on the door and it was a BTOR guy wanting to now if I could move my car tomorrow as they are pulling fibre to the box beneath the pole. He said they are running a fibre 48 cable and putting a junction in the box. So it looks like this is primarily for these new properties. What I want to know is whether this also means in a few weeks we will be enable as well since we are all the same post code?

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Black Sheep on January 28, 2021, 12:49:42 PM
No - just because there's 'fibre there', doesn't mean you have automatic access to it.

You have to be part of a FTTP programme, and it sounds rather like the new build constructor may have paid for this work, unless the rules have changed around OR providing the infrastructure for free if there are 'x' amount of dwellings being built ??

 
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on January 28, 2021, 01:25:28 PM
Stuart, one.network shows your area is awash with scheduled road works this week and next that are fibre related, you'll have it available soon enough I'm sure.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on January 28, 2021, 02:31:54 PM
The thing is FTTP is being installed in this area anyway so the builder would be stupid to pay for it when it's happening anyway. We have had all the surveys done months ago.

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: SlimJ on January 28, 2021, 03:05:52 PM
I had a stroll around the village at the weekend, but there wasn't much to see on the surface. They have dug some new trenches in Sandwich Road presumably for new ducts, I also saw a couple of guys pulling a cable out in Foads Lane, but no sign of any connectorised blocks hanging from the poles so far. The weather probably hasn't helped them though.

Had a drive through Cliffsend last week but didn't really see any activity.  There are roadworks happening at the moment though so would imagine much of the work is just making sure ducts are ready before running cables and fitting the CBTs.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Black Sheep on January 28, 2021, 05:42:15 PM
The thing is FTTP is being installed in this area anyway so the builder would be stupid to pay for it when it's happening anyway. We have had all the surveys done months ago.

Stuart

I don't know if he has paid for it, it was imply a statement of what might be ?

Similarly, the builder may not be aware of any broadband FTTP uplift going on in the area, which wouldn't make him 'stupid' per-se ??

Who know what is going on and TBH ... it's between the client and the customer. As Ronski has pointed out, work is going on in the area under the FTTP banner. Sit back and let it happen.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on January 30, 2021, 10:48:58 AM
Well yesterday they rolled up and installed 800m of Fibre 48 from the base of our pole to cabinet 10 in Dickens Road. Took all day, not helped by the initial van's hydraulics packing up and spilling stuff all over the road (which they cleared up). As far as I can tell this is a single run without any intermediate stuff being done in any other places in the pathway. I'm guessing that because of what has apparently been done this could well be at the behest of the builder, time will tell. Obviously at some stage this will become part of the overall roll out in Thanet, my contract for FTTC expires 19th October 2021 and I hope by then it will be live.

Looking at my stats for yesterday it does show some disruption on my upstream yesterday while the work was happening - some ES spikes but not that many. This is something I often see when they are working between here and the cabinet. Since G.INP went back on I don't usually see any errors on the d/s side.

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Wera on February 01, 2021, 02:49:17 PM
I am wondering whether once the blockages are sorted whether OpenReach still have to notify the local council to access their infrastructure? I dont see any planned roadworks now for my area for the foreseeable future. If they dont actually need to put up traffic management can they still carry out stuff like blowing fibre or string the cable from poles?
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on February 01, 2021, 03:02:59 PM
I am wondering whether once the blockages are sorted whether OpenReach still have to notify the local council to access their infrastructure? I dont see any planned roadworks now for my area for the foreseeable future. If they dont actually need to put up traffic management can they still carry out stuff like blowing fibre or string the cable from poles?

I'm not sure as I don't remember seeing anything about the fibre cable pulling on roadworks.org and yet today they had an entry to put in a duct but they finished that in a couple of hours and it was about 6 inches from the box in the pathway to where the builder had put his duct! I guess it all depends but on what I don't know!

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on February 01, 2021, 04:46:05 PM
If they dont actually need to put up traffic management can they still carry out stuff like blowing fibre or string the cable from poles?

My assumption would be they can blow fibre without it showing on roadworks as surely we would see a lot more reports on there if they couldn't?

On the other hand I've seen plenty on roadworks where it points out "no highway incursion expected" or something like that, so honestly I'm not 100% certain.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Wera on February 23, 2021, 04:03:38 PM
A swarm of Openreach Engineers appeared this afternoon in my road. They needed to lift the lid on the chamber I guess to confirm there was a rope? (five properties in a cul de sac are all fed by duct) So I tackled them about progress. They seemed pretty optimistic and said a matter of weeks. They probably don't get many nerds who are interested in ducts and cbt's so they were happy to show me a tablet with the routing of the new fibre. I currently have vdsl from BT down a lossy length of aluminium and 4g from 3 so this is excellent news  My 4G contact with 3 expires at the end of the month so I haven't bothered renewing. I am going to try Smarty on a month by month basis since the actual fibre provision may still be months away.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: broadstairs on February 23, 2021, 04:51:18 PM
Wera where abouts approximately are you in the area?

Stuart
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Ronski on February 23, 2021, 07:13:29 PM
Wera's in the Cliffsend area I believe.
Title: Re: Fibre First rollout Ramsgate and Broadstairs
Post by: Wera on February 24, 2021, 08:08:21 AM
Hi Stuart as Ronski has noted I am in Foad's Lane, Cliffsend