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Broadband Related => FTTP Rollout => Topic started by: Ronski on February 28, 2020, 08:33:51 AM
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Ramsgate and Broadstairs has been on the Fibre First map for many months now as build in progress. I know they've been doing parts of Ramsgate due to the notes on work permits.
But this morning I've opened the curtains to see white arrows pointing away from every BT chamber cover, presumably showing where ducts are, although I always thought we were direct in ground, but perhaps that's just the cable to the house.
My wife just called me a sad git, so I said look at all the little white arrows, isn't it exciting :lol:
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There's a company call Cat Surveys surveying the ducts, and spaying little white arrow's ;D
Can't believe it takes at least five men to do that though.
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So if this happens here then do we expect to have the same level of disruption in our streets as we had with VIM installing fibre? Seems totally daft to me to have two competing fibre solutions rolled out in the same area if the disruption is the same. If they intend to use existing ducts what happens to the final part to the premises, will it be from existing poles with some kind of added distribution box on the pole?
Stuart
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Existing poles / ducts if they can, else they'll dig new microduct and tees, much as VM do, however using existing ducts as much as possible and spurring off from them.
It could involve entirely new dig across the entire length of the pavement, though, depending on condition of existing plant and options to reuse.
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They were rodding and roping our ducts, ours is all underground, and from the pavement to property is direct in ground.
More than happy to put up with some disruption if it means we can get fttp as well, gives lots of options.
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;D
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The concern I have is that ducts in our road are quite old and we have poles for the final bit, in the past I had issues with my phone line which were resolved by messing about in the manholes because of old cables and water ingress which has not been an issue since but I do wonder if my existing line will survive new fibre cables being pulled through the existing ducts. I know they would have to fix it but could do without the disruption were it to happen.
Stuart
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They'll replace the drop cable with a hybrid copper/fibre cable.
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Stuart, at least with your line being overhead you won't face the issues you would have had with Virgin. You can always switch to a VoIP solution over fibre as well
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They'll replace the drop cable with a hybrid copper/fibre cable.
Do they build a new chamber at the bottom of the pole as mine doesn't appear to have any access to the duct at the pole?
I'm also seeing quite a few jobs pop up for one-way polyduct and new chambers, many outside of the exchange coverage area but I figure they may be planning to run the fibre from my exchange out further than it currently covers for phone lines? This would make sense as its one of the bigger exchanges in the city so if they over-build from it, once copper is gone they could close the smaller exchanges.
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NB: FTTP build guidelines are to use existing duct, boxes and poles in the first instance.
If the TRR (Test, Rod & Rope) results return an inordinate amount of A55's (civils work), the 'civils avoidance' planning will play a part. If this means feeding a UG premises overhead, then so be it .... but it is a last resort.
As Carl mentions, Gabicom multi-tubing is also an option for FTTP provision, it all depends on what the survey produces and what the TRR results return as to how we will proceed ??.
To answer Stuarts question, yes ..... the CBT (Connectorised Block Terminal) will be placed on the pole if an overhead feed is in place. These are 4/8/12 port devices, so there may be more than one installed dependant on the amount of premises it feeds.
Alex, again yes .... if it requires a JUF2 building at the bottom of the pole, then it will be built.
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As shown http://andysworld.org.uk/2018/07/04/how-andysworld-ultrafast-fttp-broadband-was-installed/
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Can FTTC be upgraded to FTTP? as I understand that one part is already done (fiber from exchange to the cabinet) and the other part is replacing the remaining copper distance to buildings and homes with fiber cables, I believe some things need to be changed in the cabinet for that but the existing fiber used for FTTC would still be used.. am I right :hmm: ?
I am from another country where there are no poles and everything is ducted for phone lines / FTTC
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Yes, that is possible, and is actually available in UK as FTTP on demand, mainly offered to business customers, however if your pocket is deep enough this can be done for home users as well, just expensive.
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It is "FTTP on Demand" and does not come from the fibre at the FTTC cabinet but from a nearby (hopefully) Fibre Aggregation Node which links back to the exchange. As it is a custom installation prices can be high, 10K to 20K GBP or more unless the node is very close in which case you may pay under 10K so not generally economically viable for residential customers. :o
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FTTC FTW :lol:
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As I was out for a walk the other day I noticed that there is RR and ND sprayed by the chamber covers with arrows.
Anybody know what this means?
Only thing I can think of it Roped & Rodded and perhaps No Duct
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As I was out for a walk the other day I noticed that there is RR and ND sprayed by the chamber covers with arrows.
Anybody know what this means?
Only thing I can think of it Roped & Rodded and perhaps No Duct
Openreach were in Cliffsend today doing some tree surgery so I tackled them about the progress of fibre. They claimed the work should be complete by August. They showed me a connectorised block in the van, but they said the work is spreading out from Ramsgate/Broadstairs town centre initially to outlying areas.
I mentioned our property is fed from an underground chamber so he came an opened the lid for me. There was a brand new rope ready to pull the fibre through, so that was encouraging. He claimed the property was surveyed in October last year. Our line runs up to the cabinet at the Viking ship via aluminium wire so I am desperate to get a decent connection. I am currently using a 4G router and a BT connection in order to get a reasonable speed as I work from home.
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Welcome to the forums Wera. That's good to hear, although I doubt that complete by August applies to all of Ramsgate/Broadstairs. Apart from the markings on our estate I've not seen any other works in Broadstairs, nothing shown on https://one.network/ which mentions PON or fibre spine cabling like quite a few in Ramsgate, but that only shows works which require a permit.
I'm also looking forward to FTTP, although we do currently have Virgin which whilst much better than my aluminium line it does still have problems.
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Is permit only required to clear blockages? I'd imagine just rodding a duct does not require one?
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Clearing blockages if the rodding doesn't do it require excavation hence permit in some areas. If they are cleared by rodding they aren't noted.
Rodding doesn't usually involve a permit however if it requires closing of a footway it certainly will.
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That's what I thought. Though its curious when they rewired the local ducting recently it DID show up on one.network, despite the fact it was entirely in the grass verge so did not block the footway at all. I'm guessing it was due to the fact potentially they might have had to dig up the grass so got permission "just in case".
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I noticed today whilst strolling around Cliffsend that a number of telephone poles are now sporting blue rope at the base. I haven't noticed this before so I think its fairly recent. Presumably this is to pull the underground cable to the pole so it can hook up to a connectorised block?
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Yes that's right, could be just for new phone lines, but given its more than one pole and the roll out its much more likely for pulling the fibre tubes through - these are black with a yellow stripe on.
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I've noticed a couple of poles near us with a blue rope at the base. Also seen some guys working for Network Provisioning (at least that what I seem to remember on their van, or some very similar name) just down the road from us so wondering if they are to do with the rollout here in Broadstairs. Be good if they get their fingers out since it was announced last summer to be done by this summer! :fingers:
Stuart
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Can't see anything scheduled in Broadstairs yet, but there's loads around the Southwood Road/ St Mildreds Road area of Ramsgate for the next few weeks.
PS. They seem to refer to it as Thanet Fibre Cities.
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Just had a quick peep and there's deffo planned civils work taking place in Broadstairs, as part of the FTTP 'Fibre Cities' programme. :)
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Thanks BS, there certainly is and it seems to be gathering speed, or at least visibility, you may even get me back from the dark side one day ;)
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Thanks BS, there certainly is and it seems to be gathering speed, or at least visibility, you may even get me back from the dark side one day ;)
Ha ha .... :fingers: ;D
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Just had a quick peep and there's deffo planned civils work taking place in Broadstairs, as part of the FTTP 'Fibre Cities' programme. :)
Seeing anything for Intake exchange in Sheffield? ;) Its killing me not being able to go out and snoop around.
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Indeed ..... first hit I did, revealed a duct section being put in for a PON just off Wood Ln. Completion date is actually todays date.
Pretty much BAU on our FTTP delivery workstreams (Fibre cities, Retro-New sites, New sites, Rural, MDU), albeit with sometime smaller teams, due to the obvious challenges we face at this moment.
:) :)
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I registered my interest when I found out our area was scheduled for FTTP, and the other day I actually had an email from Openreach confirming we are planned to get it (subject to the usual), which is good news ;D
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On my walk today I noticed many BT manholes with RR marked on them including ones near my cabinet. Is this something to do with it.
Stuaft
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I'm sure it is, and I'm guessing that RR means Roped & Rodded, loads around our estate have been done, some have distances which I think are to blockages perhaps.
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Thanks to the FTTP Surprise thread I went on the mentioned site and registered my interest. Looks from the write up on that site that the fibre will be available from ISPs like FTTC is today so I may be able to move to fibre with TT as I've just signed a new contract with them for 18 months, I'll have to wait and see.
Stuart
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Stuart, yes in theory any ISP that uses the FFTC network can supply via FTTP, but many don't, but more are getting on board. TT currently doesn't, but are expected to soon.
This thread might well be of interest https://community.talktalk.co.uk/t5/Fibre-Broadband/How-to-order-TalkTalk-Openreach-FTTP-Future-Fibre/td-p/2453962
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I registered my interest when I found out our area was scheduled for FTTP, and the other day I actually had an email from Openreach confirming we are planned to get it (subject to the usual), which is good news ;D
I got my notification as well Ronski. About a month back OR were working in Foads Lane so I asked the guys how things were progressing. One of the engineers kindly lifted up the cover to our chamber and pointed out the blue rope ready to pull the cable through. He claimed they were supposed to be finished by August, but that may well be put back now.
I notice plenty of duct clearing going on around Southwood currently, and in the centre of Ramsgate. They have already cleared the ducts around Cliffsend, so hopefully the actual cabling should go quickly. I am surprised though that there doesn't seem to be much if any activity in and around Broadstairs. Maybe the survery showed very little need for duct clearing? Or maybe its been pushed back to later in the summer?
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I think they are concentrating on Ramsgate first, apart from surveying I've seen no road works for Broadstairs, plenty for Ramsgate though, and mostly the areas you've said. Seems like they've started the far side of Ramsgate and are working their way across towards Broadstairs.
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Spotted the first scheduled roadworks in Broadstairs, on Northwood Road, clearing ducts, over head works and other work relating to Thanet Fibre Cities. Work is currently in progress 😁
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Today on my walk I noticed there has been a lot of work around the chessboard area and many manholes are marked RR, also a couple next to poles which have BAB or CD/UT for the part to the pole. Also this morning CatSurveys are doing Crow Hill. So there is progress.
Stuart
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Cycled along Grange Road in Ramsgate today, appears fibre and fibre equipment (joints, CBTs, yellow caution labels) is now on a few poles. Things appear to be ramping up now it seems! :)
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There's loads of roadworks scheduled for the area between Newington Rd, Whitehall Rd and Margate Rd. Also around Westcliff and Nethercourt, all do to with FTTP :-)
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Looks like the first chunk of Ramsgate has now gone live with FTTP!
Would expect this to start expanding quite rapidly now.
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Which area is that?
Don't worry it shows up on the think broadband map.
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Don't worry it shows up on the think broadband map.
Sorry, thought we all used that to see progress!! ;)
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Sorry, thought we all used that to see progress!! ;)
I usually do when the brain is engaged ;)
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It looks like Nethercourt is getting plenty of attention next week. I just hope they dont do what they did with Cabinet 21 in Cliffsend and leave that till the very end. Mind you with the amount of workers they have it wouldn't take the long for such a small area hopefully.
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Andrew has updated the FTTP map for Ramsgate area today. See here: https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/index.php?tab=2&election=1#6/51.414/-0.641/geafttp/
Some Roadworks appeared for Cliffsend, doesn't look like this area will be completed until the new year based on the dates noted.
Also noted that Deal (which is on the Rural list) is now seeing progress, which is good to see. Keeping an eye on Sandwich and Eastry area also (it's on my regular cycle route...) as these are on the Rural list, but there's no activity to note as yet. Some of the more rural villages north of Ash (Cop Street) appear to be due to get FTTP soon (not on the list but this area doesn't appear to have an FTTC cabinet so assume they are on ADSL still :D ).
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That's disappointing, though not unexpected as they seemed to leave the FTC cab at the Viking ship till last when they were running that in. I can see they have one active FTTP in Cliffsend so far, but this must be the new build in former the asparagus field. It does seem like the connections become available pretty quickly once they complete the work though.
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We are still seeing sporadic work in Broadstairs checking ducts etc but I guess we will be a long way back in the schedule. When they first rolled out ADSL etc here Broadstairs was one of the first parts done, shame it's not the same for FTTP. I've only seen one Virgin connection in our road even now.
Stuart
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Looks like my area of Broadstairs is lagging behind, there's some road works scheduled for October.
Good news about Sandwich, our VDSL is rather poor at work, we get about 40/6 Mbps, so hopefully our estate will be done.
PS The new builds in Cliffsend is the ones by the underpass, one of my colleagues has just moved in there, took the lowest FTTP package BT do I believe.
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That's disappointing, though not unexpected as they seemed to leave the FTC cab at the Viking ship till last when they were running that in. I can see they have one active FTTP in Cliffsend so far, but this must be the new build in former the asparagus field. It does seem like the connections become available pretty quickly once they complete the work though.
Cliffsend has multiple road works related to FTTP installation scheduled for the end of January
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A bit of a wait, but it does look hopeful that I can finally get away the aluminium cable I have now. Plus my 4G contract with 3 ends not long after so I can get rid of that as well ;D
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Keeping an eye on Sandwich and Eastry area also (it's on my regular cycle route...) as these are on the Rural list, but there's no activity to note as yet.
Checked my works address on the Sandwich Industrial Estate today, and got this :fingers:
Faster and more reliable fibre is coming to your area soon. Full Fibre is our fastest technology, but your exact speed will depend on which broadband provider and package you choose. Sign up for news and updates.
We only get 40/6Mbps and our line is starting to struggle with the number of users, so FTTP will be ordered as soon as it's live.
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Yeah, Sandwich is on the Rural list of FTTP locations (along with Eastry & Worth - and Woodnesborough says 'FTTP Coming Soon' although not on the list). Assume this will cover Sandwich Bay area also as that appears to be 'sub-superfast'. Wondering how many 'teams' Openreach have in the local area, so it may not have work start until Deal is completed (would imagine work won't be completed in all these locations by March 2021 though!)
Would like to see a few more village locations added to the list soon, including my own from the Minster (Ramsgate) exchange! :) Working from home really highlights the need for more than a 1Mbit upload!!
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They scheduled some work up at the Lord of the Manor for October originally, but they have pushed that forward to this week. I suspect the issue with the other side of the village is all the work Southern Water are doing on the Sandwich Road (don't get me started on that!) This isn't scheduled to complete until November so I expect they are waiting till that's done. I note also that Acol might get fttp pretty soon as they have some cabling going on at the top of Acol Hill this week.
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I note also that Acol might get fttp pretty soon as they have some cabling going on at the top of Acol Hill this week.
Yes, this is part of a Community Fibre project. I think it was going to cost around £100k but they had enough people sign up for grants to cover the entire cost. Estimated to go live early next year.
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Andrew has updated the FTTP map for Ramsgate area today. See here: https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/index.php?tab=2&election=1#6/51.414/-0.641/geafttp/
That map is curious as its showing FTTP in a few areas on my exchange but I'm unable to confirm that anywhere else. One of the areas BT don't even have that estate listed on their broadband checker as its too new.
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Yeah, Sandwich is on the Rural list of FTTP locations (along with Eastry & Worth - and Woodnesborough says 'FTTP Coming Soon' although not on the list). Assume this will cover Sandwich Bay area also as that appears to be 'sub-superfast'. Wondering how many 'teams' Openreach have in the local area, so it may not have work start until Deal is completed (would imagine work won't be completed in all these locations by March 2021 though!)
Would like to see a few more village locations added to the list soon, including my own from the Minster (Ramsgate) exchange! :) Working from home really highlights the need for more than a 1Mbit upload!!
I noticed an announcement on ISP Review this morning saying another 251 places added, so took a look at the map, the whole of Deal through to Sandwich is included now. Also Canterbury, Faversham, Whistable and Herne Bay. The attached map can be found via this link https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/fibre-first
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Yeah noticed that, all areas are pretty much showing as 'Build in Progress', I wonder if this is true or not/just an error? Whitstable and Herne Bay already appear to have a little FTTP rolled out.
Exciting times watching more and more FTTP locations being built. Certainly feels that the roll out speed is really starting to ramp up just recently.
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That map is curious as its showing FTTP in a few areas on my exchange but I'm unable to confirm that anywhere else. One of the areas BT don't even have that estate listed on their broadband checker as its too new.
Andrew will likely use the OpenReach checker rather than the BT Wholesale checker to confirm availability.
He added my development to their maps about a month before it was showing available on the BT Wholesale checker.
The OpenReach site was showing availability.
I could order FTTP from ISP's who don't use BT Wholesale but couldn't order from those that do like BT or Cerberus.
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Its certainly interesting as I think SamKnows said FTTP available in some areas for quite some time. So I guess some new builds got it?
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BT built some brownfield FTTP a few places in 2009-2010. They then realised how expensive it was and wound back their ambitions for FTTP while increasing coverage ambitions for FTTC.
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Andrew does occasionally get it wrong, one of my friends moved into a local new build, his map showed FTTP,, but the checker said no, turns out there was some confusion over the postcode location IIRC. Somewhere nearby which does have FTTP wasn't shown and it should have been that location.
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Not Ramsgate or Broadstairs related, but I noticed they were busy hanging fibre cable between Ham and Eastry this morning so would imagine progress will be made on the whole Sandwich area over the coming months.
There was also some new Openreach road markings between Woodnesborough and Sandwich the other day, also some roadworks planned to hang fibre cable in Woodnesborough coming up!
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Let's hope Sandwich progresses quickly, could do with a better connection here at work.
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Some of Nethercourt, Manston Road and St. Lawrence is now live.
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Part of Northwood Road, and all of Vincent Close in Broadstairs is now live.
Also got a mate that lives in The Russets/The Ridings area of Chestfield Whitstable and that's live to.
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Part of Northwood Road, and all of Vincent Close in Broadstairs is now live.
Also got a mate that lives in The Russets/The Ridings area of Chestfield Whitstable and that's live to.
Nice. Do you have some postcodes, I'll fire them across to Andrew on TB, he'll update the map and will be able to find others. :)
I rode through Deal yesterday, there seems to be some good progress there, not checked if anything is live just yet.
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Can anyone provide a photo of the boxes that are fitted to telegraph poles when it has FTTP please?
I had an email some time ago from OpenReach telling me I will have FTTP very soon as work has now began in my area.
I have yet to see and OpenReach engineers in my area except for the ones who frequent the exchange further up my road.
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Nice. Do you have some postcodes, I'll fire them across to Andrew on TB, he'll update the map and will be able to find others. :)
I rode through Deal yesterday, there seems to be some good progress there, not checked if anything is live just yet.
Already done, sent them an email Saturday with a couple of post codes - CT5 3QG and CT10 2ND
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Already done, sent them an email Saturday with a couple of post codes - CT5 3QG and CT10 2ND
I've found some more for Thanet, and some for Deal. So I'll send an email also. Hopefully he'll be able to pick up any that we haven't found. ;D
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Can anyone provide a photo of the boxes that are fitted to telegraph poles when it has FTTP please?
I had an email some time ago from OpenReach telling me I will have FTTP very soon as work has now began in my area.
I have yet to see and OpenReach engineers in my area except for the ones who frequent the exchange further up my road.
There are some pictures here http://andysworld.org.uk/tag/fttp/
I've noticed on the poles around our way there is a yellow tag which states "caution overhead fibre", bear in mind it could be FTTPod, but if the CBT Iis on the pole you're connected to then you will be able to order once live.
Edited for clarity.
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Thank You.
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Chilton Lane today. CBT? I am surprised they haven't bolted the block to the pole, but I dont suppose it takes them long.
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They've been doing a lot of work on that area recently, top of Downs Road and quite a lot of the West Cliff area has been live for ages.
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Bit more of Ramsgate now live and showing on the Think Broadband map.
I've not been through Ramsgate/Broadstairs recently so not sure where's likely to go live next. Roadworks suggests work is being done along Margate Road and Hereson Road.
Not Thanet related, but Bramling (Wingham) has also gone live in the past few days. There's also a number of CBT's already installed along Hicks Forstal Road nr Herne - looks like the final bit of work to connect everything up is due to be completed this month.
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Samknows says that my exchange in Broadstairs has gone live for FTTP but BT checker says no, not yet.
No works have taken place on the poles in my road.
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I would not bother looking on Sam Knows, FTTP is live in most exchanges, but it does not mean its wide spread or available.
Instead look here https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/broadband-map#14/51.3331/1.4060/geafttp/ although it will lag behind actual live dates.
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Very handy, thank you.
That one is saying we have FTTP in my area. I guess they mean Virgin.
I considered that as cable, not FTTP but I suppose really, it is FTTP.
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As above Samknows is pretty useless now.
It still tells me Virgin isn't available despite them covering huge chunks of the exchange over the last 3 years.
FTTP shows available on an exchange once ANY properties are enabled by OpenReach FTTP.
So it might say available despite only a few new build areas having FTTP.
I tried clicking "Spotted an error? Let us know" on Samknows page for my exchange but it's a dead form.
They focus on their Speed testing for ISP's now and their availability pages are just a legacy after thought.
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Very handy, thank you.
That one is saying we have FTTP in my area. I guess they mean Virgin.
I considered that as cable, not FTTP but I suppose really, it is FTTP.
If you're looking on the map link I gave then it is only showing Openreach FTTP, unless you selected another layer option. The only area I know of in Broadstairs which is live with with OR FTTP is a small area of Northwood.
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I am very close to the exchange that is in Seafield Road.
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I noticed Broadstairs is on the new added list of exchanges that will be moving fully from copper to fibre migration. I guess that is a good sign that the entire exchange area will get full fibre?
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/10/openreach-add-51-areas-to-the-copper-phone-to-fttp-migration.html (https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/10/openreach-add-51-areas-to-the-copper-phone-to-fttp-migration.html)
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I noticed Broadstairs is on the new added list of exchanges that will be moving fully from copper to fibre migration. I guess that is a good sign that the entire exchange area will get full fibre?
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/10/openreach-add-51-areas-to-the-copper-phone-to-fttp-migration.html (https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/10/openreach-add-51-areas-to-the-copper-phone-to-fttp-migration.html)
Not really.
It says in that very article you linked that it only needs 75% coverage to be triggered.
Any properties that don't get FTTP in time (there will be many) will be excluded from any stop sell on copper services.
Majority will be covered yes. The majority isn't the entire exchange though.
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Well as I walk round my area, known as chessboard, in Broadstairs I can see preparatory work has been done on most ducts and poles although much of the painted notes have been worn or washed away so I'd expect most of the 01843 area will eventually be covered. One thought though does full fibre replacing copper mean as much disruption as we had with Virgin? If so that wont go down well in many quarters! I just hope they use poles where they already exist.
Stuart
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One thought though does full fibre replacing copper mean as much disruption as we had with Virgin? If so that wont go down well in many quarters! I just hope they use poles where they already exist.
Openreach will normally use existing ducts and poles, the only disruption likely is if they need to do a dig to replace or clear ducts. Virgin were required to dig their own trenches to complete there work, but it did amaze me at how quickly they appeared to get things done!
Just to note that the old copper cables will remain in place, it's not likely they will be removed/recovered for a very long time!
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Some of the top end of Ramsgate Road, The Ridgway and Marlborough Close Broadstairs are now live.
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it's not likely they will be removed/recovered for a very long time!
Well not by Openreach at least. :lol: I can imagine it being quite appealing for copper thieves if they can see people have fibre so can nick the copper without anyone noticing.
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The trouble is they rip the fibre out as well, some times they just can't tell the difference, and even if they could it would get dragged out along with the copper.
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The trouble is they rip the fibre out as well, some times they just can't tell the difference, and even if they could it would get dragged out along with the copper.
If they ever rip out mine I will derive some satisfaction from the how little they will earn when they try and flog it only to find its worthless aluminium.
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If they ever rip out mine I will derive some satisfaction from the how little they will earn when they try and flog it only to find its worthless aluminium.
Having recently taken some to the local scrap yard i can assure you Aluminium isn't worthless.
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I'm in College Road (margate road end) and keep seeing the fibre boxes either tied round poles or actually mounted to them within a few hundred yards of my house.
It looks like my copper comes in underground though as there's no telegraph feeding me.
Any idea how long it is from fibre black boxes going up on poles to actually being able to order a FTTP service?
Also - initially is it only available from BT or would Voda/TalkTalk/etc be able to offer the service too?
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Hi rmbles, welcome to the forums.
It can be weeks or many months or more, no telling really. Top of my brothers road went live ages ago, yet the bottom end hasn't. I'm pretty sure those supplied overhead will be live quicker than those fed underground. We are also underground fed :(
Once live, you should be able to order from any ISP that sells an FTTP service, there are some exceptions if the ISP doesn't have the required cable links at the exchange, but I suspect with the size of Ramsgate that shouldn't be a problem.
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As Ronski says, could be weeks or months, but more and more of the network in Ramsgate is going live now with some also going live in Broadstairs.
You can see the map of live areas here (just note that this isn't bang up to date - it's more than likely that some new areas have gone live recently): https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/index.php?tab=2&election=1#14/51.3486/1.4144/geafttp/
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I noticed that some sort of works was going on in Osborne Road, Broadstairs this morning. I couldn't work out what they were doing, but they ended up doing something at the base of a telegraph pole.
Their lorry was blocking my view.
Now, I notice that right at the base of the pole there is a sign saying "Morrison Telecom Services" and a couple of yellow plates across the pavement with barriers around it.
So, I assume that this company is subcontracted by Open Reach to do the work of making FTTP available.
Does anyone know if this is the case?
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Yes it is work for the fttp roll out - the works are shown on https://one.network/ Sounds like they are replacing the duct to the pole.
Location:
Junction of Osborne Road on Manor Road
Description:
BROADSTAIRS V6123 - PON D12879 - BLOCKAGES – Excavate onto BT ducts for the clearance of duct blockages in FOOTWAY to facilitate spine cabling works.
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That's good to know. I wonder how soon before it reaches the point of going live?
Last time I checked that site for roadworks there was nothing listed in Osborne Road. Must have appeared very recently.
I am getting excited now. :D
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Once the duct's are clear they will need to pull the fibre and install at the top of the pole, will be a while longer yet, as to how long, no one knows.
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My telescope is now fixed on that pole. :D
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You want to be careful with comments like that ;)
Just remember that they will do more than just your pole before it goes live, but safe to say you can start getting excited ;D
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I wonder how soon before it reaches the point of going live?
Probably likely to be a Christmas present! ;)
Seems like much of the road work part is completed in Ramsgate now as most of the roadworks are moving on to Broadstairs.
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Certainly seems to be plenty planned in Broadstairs now, but none on my estate yet. :( Some around the out skirts on the main roads though. Our estate is ducted to the chambers, but if my house is anything to go by then the connection to the property is direct in ground.
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Just checked and there are planned works in or near Crow Hill for Jan 2021 for fibre related works ;D Maybe live in time for my current contract which ends next year!
Stuart
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SlimJ, good luck on your CFP, keep us all updated on how you get on.
Stuart hopefully as your all on poles yours should be pretty straightforward, and quite likely those scheduled works are for the actual installation of the fibre by the way they read.
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The road near to me has now gone live, and i can see their postcode is available to order ultrafast on the BT checker. However I'm tied into a vodafone contract for another 17 months, and they're not showing that their gigafast product is available to that address. Vodafone support just say they only have access to what the web checker says. Any idea how long it might take for 3rd-party ISPs to catch up?
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You say the road next to has gone live, what about your actual road? Which road is it?
What does this checker say for your full address https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL/AddressHome
I noticed the other day that Approach Rd, Upper Approach Rd, Chaucer Rd, Howard Rd and Inverness Terrace all in Broadstairs are now live.
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My road isn't live yet (CT117SY) but CT117ST is, and appears on the checker as 'FTTP is available'. I'm using the postcode that is live in vodafone's checker. Even if it takes BT another 6 months to get to my road, i'm still going to be in contract with VF for another year, so will be gutted if I can't order through them.
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Been checking for signs of work in my area and found this today for January on roadworks.org
Description: LAY DUCT IN FOOTWAY TOWARDS CUSTOMER PROPERTY
which states this is outside 28 Crow Hill. Now what puzzles me is that there are ducts all the way up the road and all have been checked, and these existing ducts are all on the same side as no 28. We all have our feeds from poles in Crow Hill, so why duct in footway towards this house. Also 28 itself has a connection to a pole. The confusion factor is that next to 28 there are 3 houses (well 2 new builds and 1 conversion) being built in the garden of an old bungalow which is on Linden Avenue, so could this be for the new builds, but why a new duct? Any ideas?
Stuart
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Could it possibly be for a new pole, 28's pole is roughly 50 meters away? Perhaps it's going in to serve the new houses as well - always though that bit of land looked ripe for building on, although typical small gardens.
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Yes very small gardens and the biggest property is the oldest converted from a bungalow to a 4 bed chalet with miniscule garden, all 3 on sale for a total of 1.675 million :o and all 3 advertised as new builds. :o only 2 are real new builds in my view. Don't mention the noise and disruption >:(
Stuart
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I'm certainly in the wrong game, but trouble is I would have only put two houses in there, very nice profit for someone.
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Been checking for signs of work in my area and found this today for January on roadworks.org
which states this is outside 28 Crow Hill. Now what puzzles me is that there are ducts all the way up the road and all have been checked, and these existing ducts are all on the same side as no 28. We all have our feeds from poles in Crow Hill, so why duct in footway towards this house. Also 28 itself has a connection to a pole. The confusion factor is that next to 28 there are 3 houses (well 2 new builds and 1 conversion) being built in the garden of an old bungalow which is on Linden Avenue, so could this be for the new builds, but why a new duct? Any ideas?
Stuart
The new duct from the base of the pole on Crow Hill, is to feed 2 of the 3 houses you mention above, the 3rd house is being fed via new duct from a box on Delmaney Close/Linden Av.
HTH.
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PS - not certain of your own premises address but No.24 is where 2 splitter-nodes meet. So it depends on which one you are in as to to the ECD of each node. One is the end of Jan, the other is the back end of Feb.
Let's us not get pedantic though (like one or two can do on here), and hone in on the actually estimated completion date. It may be earlier, it may be later .... there may be Xmas embargo hold-ups and in-life change work to be done ... conversely it may go sweet as a nut ??
:)
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Thanks Black Sheep for the info. The FTTP install does seem to be progressing well around Ramsgate and Broadstairs. Although nothing happening on my estate at the moment although I think I know why.
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I have given up waiting for BT to bring fibre to my home. I have now gone with Virgin and no complaints so far.
Previously with Sky on an 80 / 20 service. I was getting a maximum of 7.4mb a second when downloading.
Now, I max at around 72mb a second.
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I have given up waiting for BT to bring fibre to my home. I have now gone with Virgin and no complaints so far.
Wait until you need some customer support, then you'll certainly have some complaints ;)
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The new duct from the base of the pole on Crow Hill, is to feed 2 of the 3 houses you mention above, the 3rd house is being fed via new duct from a box on Delmaney Close/Linden Av.
HTH.
I am puzzled as to why they get a duct when the pole is actually outside the new house on Crow Hill, it is literally by the boundary between the new house and 30 Crow Hill and there is a box in the pathway right next to the base of the pole. Why not feed it from the pole? Only one house fronts Crow Hill the other two are fronting Linden Avenue. Next question has to be are they getting a duct and FTTP or just for now copper phone line? House no 28 is fed from the pole in question as are 6 other houses and a slave pole outside nos 39/41.
I just checked no 28 is an existing house on the downhill side of the new builds so this new one in Crow Hill would be 28A.
Stuart
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Wait until you need some customer support, then you'll certainly have some complaints ;)
Yes, I have heard some horror stories about their customer service.
I am an experienced user so would hope that I could fix most issues myself if the fault is at my end.
A recorded delivery letter always works wonders when you can't get through to customer services.
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@dog-man I'm an experienced user, which actually complicated things because I use modem mode, which first line support doesn't understand modem mode, they are obsessed with WiFi. Every time you phone up you basically start all over again, even if it's an on going fault, try and ask for second tier support and they just send you any where, I've ended up speaking to all sorts of departments.
In the end I managed to get it fixed by using the forum, but both faults had me pulling my hair out and :wall: :wall:
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I am in modem mode also.
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Noticed a little more has gone live around Northwood and up towards the Lidl area.
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That's good, have you emailed Think Broadband so they update the map?
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Not yet... Sometimes I feel that we're emailing him every 5 minutes and he may not appreciate it!! :D
It was these, CT126SJ, CT126SE, CT126QB - I have a list of codes I check every now and then but these were new ones I've checked, probably more around this area too. Unsure if any other areas have gone live yet?
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I did find one a week or so ago, but didn't think it worth emailing for just one, which I see is in your list.
CT12 6QB (187 - 203)
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I was chatting to one of the guys working on the new builds in Crow Hill and asked him if he knew anything about the ducting Black Sheep mentioned but he did not. What puzzled me is that B/S mentioned feeding 2 of the 3 houses from Crow Hill but only one is actually facing Crow Hill, the other two (one of which is not even started yet) are both facing Linden Avenue. Also puzzled as to why they duct these new builds when we are all here in both roads fed from overhead cables on the poles. It would make more sense to me to have both the Linen Avenue houses fed from Linden Avenue and the one on Crow Hill from Crow Hill but perhaps that is too easy ;)
Stuart
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Most new-builds will be fed UG ... that is the preferred method these days.
My observations on the new ducts, were based upon the survey tool that ALL surveyors use when building splitter-nodes. It is where 'Work Orders' are built from and where estimates are created from, it is THE only survey tool they use. Yes, in-life changes can occur, but 99% of the time the way it is surveyed is the way it will be built.
I'd go so far as to say it makes perfect sense as well, with what it shows regarding the duct runs.
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I am puzzled as to why they get a duct when the pole is actually outside the new house on Crow Hill, it is literally by the boundary between the new house and 30 Crow Hill and there is a box in the pathway right next to the base of the pole.
It makes sense to install ducting while building a new build, even if the homes either side are fed from a pole, even if the pole is in the back garden of the new build.
The cost for OpenReach to provide the ducting to the builders is a couple quid.
That's a home that should never need an engineer who has been trained to work at heights.
It's as easy as rodding or pulling a bit string to upgrade it to fibre or to replace the drop cable in the future.
All the town's around my area (including my town) is ducted down the main roads and the final drop is overhead via telegraph poles in the back gardens.
Every home has an overhead drop but driving around you can't see any poles as they are all in back gardens.
There's loads of random single new builds built on patches of previously unused land in between existing homes.
All the new builds appear ducted. I don't think any are overhead fed.
There's a good example of this at the end of my street.
There's 8 homes fed by a single telegraph pole. The pole was originally on a piece of derelict land with 4 homes on either side.
Around 8 years ago a new home was built on the derelict land, meaning the telegraph pole is now in the back garden of the new home.
The new home is ducted back to a junction box on the street behind it rather than being fed from the pole in the garden.
Why not feed it from the pole?
Why do feed it from the pole?
Unless it's just a feeder pole and there's nowhere to connect ducts back to, i can't think of any good reasons to use overhead feeds over underground ducts for a final drop.
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OK so ducts are the way it's done now.
However I don't understand why they are ducting two houses from the same chamber in one road when only one house is in that road, this means that the duct for house two is run under the garden for house one! It makes more sense to duct house 1 from the road it is facing and the other two houses from the other road they are facing and then no one has to have ducting under their garden which has nothing to do with their supply, especially as they will be ducting house 3 from that other road anyway!
I have a vested interest in not having more disturbers connecting to my circuit than necessary, this way there will be two new houses connected via the box in the footpath outside my house rather than one ;)
I know this all sounds a tad strange to those not knowing the area but the situation is that the plot of land went between two roads and two houses will be fronting one road and one house fronts the other road.
Stuart
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I know this all sounds a tad strange to those not knowing the area but the situation is that the plot of land went between two roads and two houses will be fronting one road and one house fronts the other road.
I suspect that j0hn has done exactly the same as me and made a careful study of Google Maps & the images from the "Street View" car. With your added comments it is all quite clear.
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It's nice to wonder how it may pan out ... but I can tell you in no uncertain terms, there will be ductwork going from the box at the base of DP92 on Crow Hill, to a new JF4 outside what they are calling premises A1, from here it is then ducted directly to premises A3. So, two premises will be fed via Crow Hill.
Premises A2 will be fed via Linden Av and will see two new JF4's built on either side of the road, as the duct will run up to No.16 Linden Av, then cross the road .... then into A2 premises.
No overhead, all underground.
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Can someone please clarify the terminology here? What are DP92 and JF4?
Stuart
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JF4 is a foot way box, or chamber, I presume 4 is reference to the size https://forums.thinkbroadband.com/general/4566921-bt-openreach-markings-next-to-pcp-and-fiber-cabinet.html?fpart=all
DP92 is a distribution pole, I think the number may be marked on the pole.
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JF4 is a foot way box, or chamber, I presume 4 is reference to the size https://forums.thinkbroadband.com/general/4566921-bt-openreach-markings-next-to-pcp-and-fiber-cabinet.html?fpart=all
DP92 is a distribution pole, I think the number may be marked on the pole.
Thanks, I had guessed about the pole, when it is not raining I'll take a close look at the pole to see if it's marked.
Stuart
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Can someone please clarify the terminology here? What are DP92 and JF4?
Stuart
My apologies ... I incorrectly assumed you'd been on this forum long enough to have heard and understood the terminology, with regard to plant references. If it was a noobie, I'd have gone into further detail.
Ron has hit the nail on the head, and to expand further .... each distribution point (DP) whether it be overhead (pole), underground (joint box) or external (wall mounted block), has a unique reference number. They should be nailed-on plastic circular discs on the poles, but they sometimes can be missing over the years.
JF is an abbreviation of jointbox footway (we obviously have carriageway boxes too) ..... there are many and varied jointboxes, but the most common are JB23 (small rectangular cove), JB26 (slightly larger rectangular cover), JF4 (1 square cover), JF6 (2 square covers, JF10 (3 square covers).
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No apologies necessary, I have probably missed many of the discussions on here over the years and anyway you learn something new every day!
Stuart
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I did find one a week or so ago, but didn't think it worth emailing for just one, which I see is in your list.
CT12 6QB (187 - 203)
Should all be on the map now along with some other areas I found. Looks like some of Hereson road area has also gone live.
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Looking good, certainly a lot of areas coming online now.
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Just to follow up on the pole in Crow Hill DP92 is actually outside No 30 not No 28 as the work permit shows, there is no pole outside either the new property or No 20, Yes there is a box beneath DP92. As for which property is designated A1 that is up for debate as it does not agree with the planning application where plot 1 is the original bungalow now extended in Linden Avenue and the Crow Hill one is plot 3.
Just to confuse things further the builders applied for a second planning permission for these same 3 new builds but this has been refused! Now from what I've been reading a subsequent planning application for the same development submitted before completion of the previous successful application invalidates all permissions meaning the current state is 'unlawful development' ;D So we now do not know what is happening and I suspect they will have to appeal. But do they risk carrying on or do they stop in case any appeal fails. I have no found out the reason for the refusal as that has not been published. In addition one property is 'sold subject to contract' but I cannot imagine any solicitor will allow the purchase to go through while it is deemed an unlawful development.
Also raises the question of whether BTOR will want to do their work in the new year considering the current state?
Stuart
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The pole outside 20 Osborne Road, Broadstairs was cabled up with a new junction box up top yesterday.
So that will be live very soon.
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Correction********
I thought they had finished, but they are back now finishing off on the pole outside 20 Osborne Road.
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Just to confuse things further the builders applied for a second planning permission for these same 3 new builds but this has been refused! Now from what I've been reading a subsequent planning application for the same development submitted before completion of the previous successful application invalidates all permissions meaning the current state is 'unlawful development' ;D So we now do not know what is happening and I suspect they will have to appeal. But do they risk carrying on or do they stop in case any appeal fails. I have no found out the reason for the refusal as that has not been published. In addition one property is 'sold subject to contract' but I cannot imagine any solicitor will allow the purchase to go through while it is deemed an unlawful development.
I'm pretty sure the original permission still stands, so as long as its built as the original granted planning permission states, then they should be fine.
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I'm pretty sure the original permission still stands, so as long as its built as the original granted planning permission states, then they should be fine.
Yes that's what I thought, but there was a recent case in the high court (and I think the supreme court) which implies otherwise, don't know for sure it applies but it could.
Stuart
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I'm pretty sure the original permission still stands, so as long as its built as the original granted planning permission states, then they should be fine.
It definitely still stands.
Been involved in the planning process for years, North and South of the border.
It's VERY common to get planning permission by taking the advise of planning officers and following their recommendations.
Then after approval apply for new planning permission with tweaks to the original plans (like a bigger house/extra rooms).
Sometimes there are 8, 10, 12 sets of plans submitted for approval on larger sites.
If every new application invalidated the preceding application it would cause chaos.
I'm also a fully certified homes under the hammer watcher and see my mate Dion talking about this all the time ::)
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hey guys any word on if the rollout will cover "New Meridian Village" near tesco manston in ramsgate?
So Observatory Way / Meridian Close etc
CT126AZ for example
The fibre first map cuts off at Stanner court i did see on https://one.network/ mention of Spine work but that has since disappeared i also saw two guys in my road feeding a yellow cable of some sort from one drain to another.
I currently get 80/20 so its not the end of the world but 1gb isn't gonna be something i pass up a chance to have lol
Thanks in advance for any help :)
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Not sure why you say the https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/fibre-first map cuts off at Stanner Court, I just checked and it covers right up to the Haine Road.
I doubt there would need to be any roadworks permits for your estate, it's all new build so the ducts should be nice and clear, making it an easy install.
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oh dear i am apparently terrible at reading maps :lol: just took another look and zoomed in with windows magnifier because you can't zoom in super far on the map and realised i was looking at the green area thinking that was my road :D
Sorry for the waste of time lol
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No problem, try control + to zoom in a browser window, control - to zoom out and control 0 to reset.
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https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2021/01/openreach-delays-new-broadband-installs-due-to-covid19.html
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https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2021/01/openreach-delays-new-broadband-installs-due-to-covid19.html
I am hoping I can get an escalation given the length of my current connection. They have started running the cables in Cliffsend this week and should get started on my end of the village next week. Though I imagine it takes a while before its signed off and the database is updated
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I am hoping I can get an escalation given the length of my current connection. They have started running the cables in Cliffsend this week and should get started on my end of the village next week. Though I imagine it takes a while before its signed off and the database is updated
I would imagine if they're running cables in Cliffsend over the course of the next month then it will probably be March/April time before things go live.
At least this pause in installations hopefully means more focus can be put towards network building! My brother is due an FTTP installation in early February (new 'old' house purchase) so assume this could be delayed.
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I had a stroll around the village at the weekend, but there wasn't much to see on the surface. They have dug some new trenches in Sandwich Road presumably for new ducts, I also saw a couple of guys pulling a cable out in Foads Lane, but no sign of any connectorised blocks hanging from the poles so far. The weather probably hasn't helped them though.
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We had work this week in Crow Hill clearing ducts etc. Interesting thing is that there are 3 new houses being built in Crow Hill and next week BTOR are installing ducting from the pole outside to two of these properties. What I want to know is if this is an FTTP infrastructure install will it means any Crow Hill residents currently supplied from the same ducting only via poles get FTTP as well? I'd be really upset if they only supply FTTP to these 3 houses and not the rest of the post code. Bear in mind these new properties are not finished yet and only one has been provisionally sold.
As I was typing this there was a knock on the door and it was a BTOR guy wanting to now if I could move my car tomorrow as they are pulling fibre to the box beneath the pole. He said they are running a fibre 48 cable and putting a junction in the box. So it looks like this is primarily for these new properties. What I want to know is whether this also means in a few weeks we will be enable as well since we are all the same post code?
Stuart
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No - just because there's 'fibre there', doesn't mean you have automatic access to it.
You have to be part of a FTTP programme, and it sounds rather like the new build constructor may have paid for this work, unless the rules have changed around OR providing the infrastructure for free if there are 'x' amount of dwellings being built ??
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Stuart, one.network shows your area is awash with scheduled road works this week and next that are fibre related, you'll have it available soon enough I'm sure.
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The thing is FTTP is being installed in this area anyway so the builder would be stupid to pay for it when it's happening anyway. We have had all the surveys done months ago.
Stuart
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I had a stroll around the village at the weekend, but there wasn't much to see on the surface. They have dug some new trenches in Sandwich Road presumably for new ducts, I also saw a couple of guys pulling a cable out in Foads Lane, but no sign of any connectorised blocks hanging from the poles so far. The weather probably hasn't helped them though.
Had a drive through Cliffsend last week but didn't really see any activity. There are roadworks happening at the moment though so would imagine much of the work is just making sure ducts are ready before running cables and fitting the CBTs.
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The thing is FTTP is being installed in this area anyway so the builder would be stupid to pay for it when it's happening anyway. We have had all the surveys done months ago.
Stuart
I don't know if he has paid for it, it was imply a statement of what might be ?
Similarly, the builder may not be aware of any broadband FTTP uplift going on in the area, which wouldn't make him 'stupid' per-se ??
Who know what is going on and TBH ... it's between the client and the customer. As Ronski has pointed out, work is going on in the area under the FTTP banner. Sit back and let it happen.
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Well yesterday they rolled up and installed 800m of Fibre 48 from the base of our pole to cabinet 10 in Dickens Road. Took all day, not helped by the initial van's hydraulics packing up and spilling stuff all over the road (which they cleared up). As far as I can tell this is a single run without any intermediate stuff being done in any other places in the pathway. I'm guessing that because of what has apparently been done this could well be at the behest of the builder, time will tell. Obviously at some stage this will become part of the overall roll out in Thanet, my contract for FTTC expires 19th October 2021 and I hope by then it will be live.
Looking at my stats for yesterday it does show some disruption on my upstream yesterday while the work was happening - some ES spikes but not that many. This is something I often see when they are working between here and the cabinet. Since G.INP went back on I don't usually see any errors on the d/s side.
Stuart
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I am wondering whether once the blockages are sorted whether OpenReach still have to notify the local council to access their infrastructure? I dont see any planned roadworks now for my area for the foreseeable future. If they dont actually need to put up traffic management can they still carry out stuff like blowing fibre or string the cable from poles?
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I am wondering whether once the blockages are sorted whether OpenReach still have to notify the local council to access their infrastructure? I dont see any planned roadworks now for my area for the foreseeable future. If they dont actually need to put up traffic management can they still carry out stuff like blowing fibre or string the cable from poles?
I'm not sure as I don't remember seeing anything about the fibre cable pulling on roadworks.org and yet today they had an entry to put in a duct but they finished that in a couple of hours and it was about 6 inches from the box in the pathway to where the builder had put his duct! I guess it all depends but on what I don't know!
Stuart
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If they dont actually need to put up traffic management can they still carry out stuff like blowing fibre or string the cable from poles?
My assumption would be they can blow fibre without it showing on roadworks as surely we would see a lot more reports on there if they couldn't?
On the other hand I've seen plenty on roadworks where it points out "no highway incursion expected" or something like that, so honestly I'm not 100% certain.
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A swarm of Openreach Engineers appeared this afternoon in my road. They needed to lift the lid on the chamber I guess to confirm there was a rope? (five properties in a cul de sac are all fed by duct) So I tackled them about progress. They seemed pretty optimistic and said a matter of weeks. They probably don't get many nerds who are interested in ducts and cbt's so they were happy to show me a tablet with the routing of the new fibre. I currently have vdsl from BT down a lossy length of aluminium and 4g from 3 so this is excellent news My 4G contact with 3 expires at the end of the month so I haven't bothered renewing. I am going to try Smarty on a month by month basis since the actual fibre provision may still be months away.
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Wera where abouts approximately are you in the area?
Stuart
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Wera's in the Cliffsend area I believe.
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Hi Stuart as Ronski has noted I am in Foad's Lane, Cliffsend
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The 8 port CBT was installed today. Hopefully connecting it up wont take much longer. I am now officially excited!
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The 8 port CBT was installed today. Hopefully connecting it up wont take much longer. I am now officially excited!
I noticed a load of cabling and CBTs on poles over the weekend so hopefully not too much longer. Would imagine this could start going live from about April in the Cliffsend area.
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My younger brothers address in Cheriton Avenue Ramsgate is now live, shame he can't afford it and has to get ADSL to keep the costs down.
I'll have to check some postcodes when I get chance and get another list off to Andrew.
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As predicted by SlimJ it is now available for April installs. I checked this morning and the Openreach checker showed FTTP is available and a new ONT may be ordered. So off to BT to order it. I think it may be quite popular as the first available slot I booked for April 13th disappeared before I could book it!
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That's good news, every so often I check various postcodes and email think broadband so they update their map, there's a lot of FTTP available around Ramsgate and Broadstairs now.
https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/broadband-map#13/51.3310/1.1582/geafttp/
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As predicted by SlimJ it is now available for April installs. I checked this morning and the Openreach checker showed FTTP is available and a new ONT may be ordered. So off to BT to order it. I think it may be quite popular as the first available slot I booked for April 13th disappeared before I could book it!
Nice! Yes, saw a couple of Openreach guys splicing in a chamber along Sandwich Road (near the junction with Foads Ln) on Saturday so assumed it wouldn't be long until things started going live.
I have a couple of other postcodes (Barham) that have also gone live, so I'll find some of the postcodes and send Andrew an email for the map - SENT!
Apart from Cliffsend and Newington, it looks like the majority of Ramsgate is nearly completed. Would imagine by the middle to end of the year, both Ramsgate and Broadstairs should be completed... **Wonders where all those engineers will go next** ::)
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Looking on that map it seems to be working its way north across Broadstairs. We have had quite a lot of work round here recently, just hoping it will be here by the end of summer when my contract is up for renewal.
Stuart
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Looking on that map it seems to be working its way north across Broadstairs. We have had quite a lot of work round here recently, just hoping it will be here by the end of summer when my contract is up for renewal.
Stuart
Not sure where you are exactly but can't imagine it will be too much longer (if you have CBT's visible on poles etc)? If it's not live when your contract ends, why not just go with BT, Sky or Zen, who all offer both FTTC and FTTP packages, then when FTTP goes live you can just regrade while in contract?
I'm based in Monkton and our CFP was successful so our service should go live in the next 12 months - as my contract is with Plusnet and expires in June, I will likely move over to one of the above ISPs then regrade when FTTP finally becomes available (leaning towards Zen).
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We don't yet have anything atop the poles, at least not yet in our road. My ISP TalkTalk now does FTTP so I don't have to change ISP it will depend on what's on offer and at what price.
Stuart
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We don't yet have anything atop the poles, at least not yet in our road. My ISP TalkTalk now does FTTP so I don't have to change ISP it will depend on what's on offer and at what price.
Stuart
I checked a few postcodes of live FTTP areas and it doesn't always appear available? Seems like they are slow to update their database? Packages look good value though (Fibre 500 for £40).
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Apart from Cliffsend and Newington, it looks like the majority of Ramsgate is nearly completed. Would imagine by the middle to end of the year, both Ramsgate and Broadstairs should be completed... **Wonders where all those engineers will go next** ::)
Yes not much of Ramsgate left now, some of Nethercourt, Chilton (there was blocked ducts which I think are now clear), Ramsgate town centre and the Newington Estate. I know they've been working in all those areas except the town centre.
Lots of Broadstairs left including my own estate which is likely being left to nearer the end as its all underground and therefore higher cost. Some area's of Broadstairs have loads of planned works by BT, so highly likely FTTP related.
As to where they'll go next there's still Sandwich/Deal/Canterbury/Herne Bay/ Whitstable and surrounding areas that are currently planned (https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/fibre-first) - see attached. Seems Sandwich is now listed as in plan between now and 2024 :-(
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We don't yet have anything atop the poles, at least not yet in our road. My ISP TalkTalk now does FTTP so I don't have to change ISP it will depend on what's on offer and at what price.
Stuart
Do you wish to keep your landline number? Talktalk don't make that easy.
Their offering is pretty useless for any current customers who want to upgrade to FTTP and to keep their current landline number.
They don't provide any phone service on FTTP, it's data only. There's no VOIP option.
They don't offer any way to migrate the landline number to VOIP without it ceasing the current FTTC.
The only way is to order FTTP as a new customer, on a new email address, and then when the FTTP is live migrate the FTTC landline number to a 3rd party VOIP provider which ceases the FTTC service.
This loses any attached Talktalk email accounts (not that anyone should have ISP provided email).
As Talktalk don't offer a landline without broadband you can't even keep the copper active for voice only with Talktalk.
Alternatively pay a bit more for Talktalk Business.
I understand not providing a landline service on FTTP.
They should allow you to use OpenReach's "renumber with number export" service allowing you to migrate the current landline number to VOIP, allowing a direct FTTP upgrade without losing the number.
I plan on switching to Talktalk's 500/75 FTTP in the near future, now that they are finally selling FTTP on my exchange.
Not bad for £40 a month.
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Seems like I will be having a 'frank and meaningfull conversation ' with TT.
Stuart
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I plan on switching to Talktalk's 500/75 FTTP in the near future, now that they are finally selling FTTP on my exchange.
Not bad for £40 a month.
Now that sounds interesting, if we ever get FTTP, and not fussed about a landline haven't had one for years.
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Seems like I will be having a 'frank and meaningfull conversation ' with TT.
There's no conversation to be had, unless you can convince them to change the product they sell.
There's simply no way to "upgrade" to Talktalk FTTP residential and keep the landline number.
It's been tried numerous times on the Talktalk forums and on ThinkBroadband.
An upgrade simply makes the landline number disappear.
**The only way is to migrate the number to VOIP, and then take FTTP as a new customer as it ceases the FTTC.
** It can be done with a break in service.
Migrate FTTC landline number to a 3rd party VOIP provider. This ceases your Talktalk service.
The day after the line is ceased you can order FTTP from the closed account.
There's downtime between the FTTC ceasing and FTTP being installed.
Alternatively there's Talktalk Business. You can migrate a residential account to business.
In fairness to Talktalk the sales team are very clear in their explanation during FTTP ordering that it is a data only product and you can't keep your landline number.
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College Road Ramsgate is now live :-) Just need to wait for Vodafone to update their database so i can order it now.
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They've been busy in St. Peter's this week & last, pulling fibre through the ducts and fitting CBT's to every pole across the estate.. so fingers crossed FTTP will be heading this way soon as I've been impatiently waiting since Virgin didn't bother with my street ;D
C
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There was a new Openreach team today. They put a note through our letter box to say they were doing some duct checking from the underground chamber to the premises. They should be back later today with rods and ropes. Hopefully its not choked with mud.
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Great - vodafone have no idea when they're bringing "gigafast" to Ramsgate, and i'm in contract for another 14 months...
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There was a new Openreach team today. They put a note through our letter box to say they were doing some duct checking from the underground chamber to the premises. They should be back later today with rods and ropes. Hopefully its not choked with mud.
The Thinkbroadband map has been updated for Cliffsend now.
As you're a 'Cliffsender', have you seen work progressing anywhere else in the area? (ie, Cottington Rd, Old Hall Drive, and heading up towards and over the railway?).
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The Thinkbroadband map has been updated for Cliffsend now.
As you're a 'Cliffsender', have you seen work progressing anywhere else in the area? (ie, Cottington Rd, Old Hall Drive, and heading up towards and over the railway?).
Funny you should mention that. They added a new green cabinet by the junction of Foads Lane and Cottington Road some time back. Its one of the combined ones. My vdsl connection goes to the cabinet by the Viking Ship. There is another one on the road by Manna Hutte, but this new one I think was added to cover the new build and maybe the station? In any event when they had the Sandwich Road dug up I had to drive back through Cottington Road. On the way home one Saturday, around about November I think. I spotted an Openreach van working on a telegraph pole and it looked like they were hanging a CBT off of this near to the new houses. This is just before the St Augustine monument.
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Just in case anyone else from St. Peters happens to stop by this thread - it looks like some of the estate (Grafton Road, Camden Road, etc) is active for FTTP now at least the areas where they've already fitted infrastructure. :)
My house is showing as available, along with other roads I've tried so fingers crossed!
C
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I had my fttp hooked up on Thursday. The OR guy was really hepful and more than happy to route it through some 20mm conduit into my garage. The initial speed test was a bit disappointing. When I tested it the speed was the same as before at 14Mb/s. I had been using the supplied Smarthub 2 temporarily and he had left it connected to the phone line as well as the ONT via the wan connection. I connected up my pfsense box to the ONT, set up ppoe and reconnected at 500Mb/s!
More than I will need for the forseable future, and hopefully I wont get daily disconnects like I did with vdsl. I wasn't planning on using the landline, but he has left the copper still connected. Presumably the next time someone orders fttc they will disconnect it at that end?
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More than I will need for the forseable future, and hopefully I wont get daily disconnects like I did with vdsl. I wasn't planning on using the landline, but he has left the copper still connected. Presumably the next time someone orders fttc they will disconnect it at that end?
If this is a migration I would have thought it would only allow one PPP connection at a time for your account, but then who knows these days.
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I have just been talking to the OR guy outside working in the footpath box beneath our pole. He has confirmed there is fibre in that box and the new house next door will get FTTP when connected but he is not adding the necessary stuff on our pole to provide all the connected properties with that option. We have to wait for the full roll out here later in the year. That is really a b****r but I guess that's how it goes, at least they wont be another VDSL user hitting my b/w.
Stuart
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I have just been talking to the OR guy outside working in the footpath box beneath our pole. He has confirmed there is fibre in that box and the new house next door will get FTTP when connected but he is not adding the necessary stuff on our pole to provide all the connected properties with that option. We have to wait for the full roll out here later in the year. That is really a b****r but I guess that's how it goes, at least they wont be another VDSL user hitting my b/w.
Stuart
Hi Stuart, that's a bit of a pain.
So is next door buying FTTPoD if so I though FTTP would be available for all others on that DP .
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Hi Stuart, that's a bit of a pain.
So is next door buying FTTPoD if so I though FTTP would be available for all others on that DP .
No next door is a 3 property new build although only one is actually next door to me the other two front onto the road behind. I'm guessing the builders may have something to do with it.
Stuart
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The problem for Stuart is that he and other properties there are overhead fed, the new properties are underground, therefore no infrastructure on the poles (as he mentions above), means no FTTP yet.
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I think the problem is that you and other properties there are overhead fed, the new properties are underground, therefore no infrastructure on the poles, means no FTTP yet.
Yes I get that, still should be done by October with any luck as that's when my contract expires. My issue will then be satisfying 'her indoors' requirement for a landline along with FTTP!
Stuart
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Yeah, I know, I was on my phone earlier and had literally just edited my post prior to you posting ;-)
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Yeah, I know, I was on my phone earlier and had literally just edited my post prior to you posting ;-)
;) :D
Stuart
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Anyone happen to have any information about the estate just up from Tesco Manston? CT126AZ area
I live in one of the properties there and no sign of any work being done for FTTP 1GB and they seem to have completely cleared out of the newington area too i can see on the thinkbroadband map that the small blocks of flats near stanner court are capable of FTTP 1GB.
Even spoke to a couple of Openreach engineers that were working in the road today and neither of them had a clue about it :(
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Finally managed to place an order, installation booked for end of June!
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That's quite some time to wait, but it will be worth it.
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That's quite some time to wait, but it will be worth it.
I think 6 weeks is pretty damn good, considering the circumstances we've all been under this last year !!
Whoever you choose to go with, they will have a back-log of work they are trying to bottom out.
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Finally managed to place an order, installation booked for end of June!
Congrats rmbles :) it'll be worth the wait - I got mine last Monday in sunny Broadstairs :cool: after almost a month counting down the days and am definitely not disappointed!
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Knowing that the new house at 28a Crow Hill has FTTP available I thought I'd check the BT Address Checker but it does not show 28a as a valid address (which it is). I wonder how it will cope with that being the only house at present in the post code with FTTP and no others?
Stuart
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Knowing that the new house at 28a Crow Hill has FTTP available I thought I'd check the BT Address Checker but it does not show 28a as a valid address (which it is). I wonder how it will cope with that being the only house at present in the post code with FTTP and no others?
Stuart
It doesn't have FTTP available yet.
OpenReach doesn't even list 28a as an address. It can take a while for nearly registered address to filter through to OpenReach.
You will probably share a Splitter unless they feed it from the Linden Avenue side.
Actually looking again and 28a Crow Hill shows up on the BT Wholesale Checker but availability is unknown.
It also shows in both the OpenReach and Wholesale checker under the Linden Avenue postcode CT10 1HR.
With that postcode it shows FTTP is planned but not available so orders can't be placed.
I wonder how it will cope with that being the only house at present in the post code with FTTP and no others?
How do you mean cope?
FTTP availability is done at the individual address level.
The system works perfectly when only a single property or a small group of properties show availability.
Pre 2018 changes every single FTTPoD order enabled only a single address.
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John I know the fibre comes up the road to the chamber under the pole outside our house next door to this one. I spoke to the BTOR guy installing it and 28a is fed from this chamber. AFAIK this fibre will become part of the roll out here we just need the stuff installed up the pole which is happening quite near to us.. The other two properties will be fed from Linden Avenue. I'm hoping it will be completed by autumn as that's when my contract is up for renewal.
Stuart
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The other two properties will be fed from Linden Avenue. I'm hoping it will be completed by autumn as that's when my contract is up for renewal.
Are you sure about that?
That's not what BlackSheep said earlier in the thread.
It's nice to wonder how it may pan out ... but I can tell you in no uncertain terms, there will be ductwork going from the box at the base of DP92 on Crow Hill, to a new JF4 outside what they are calling premises A1, from here it is then ducted directly to premises A3. So, two premises will be fed via Crow Hill.
Premises A2 will be fed via Linden Av and will see two new JF4's built on either side of the road, as the duct will run up to No.16 Linden Av, then cross the road .... then into A2 premises.
No overhead, all underground.
Looking again at the BT Wholesale Checker I can see that 28a Crow Hill is marked as FTTP planned with availability date of 27th May.
11a Linden Avenue show availability on 28th May.
That would match with BS comments and they would be the 2 properties fed from Crow Hill.
I assume the 3rd property (from reading the planning application) is 13 Linden Avenue. That currently shows no FTTP availability date. This again matches BS comments and would make sense as 13 Linden Avenue is an existing property showing FTTC availability.
The new properties must have full fibre according to the planning application.
Broadstairs Neighbourhood Plan Policies
BSP12 - Full Fibre Broadband Connections
As number 13 Linden Avenue is an existing property and already has a phone line with FTTC available they are already served by OpenReach.
Number 13 may be enabled for FTTP at the same time as the rest of the street, or the checker is just missing that info.
AFAIK this fibre will become part of the roll out here we just need the stuff installed up the pole which is happening quite near to us..
Definitely.
You will share the same fibre/splitter node as 28a if you are next door.
PS - not certain of your own premises address but No.24 is where 2 splitter-nodes meet.
The Splitter installed to serve 28a will serve up to 30 other properties.
It just needs fibre fed from the Splitter to a CBT on your pole and you're ready to order.
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There is a lot of confusion about these plots but now they have addresses its 28a Crow Hill (plot 3), 11a Linden Avenue (plot 2) and 13 Linden Avenue (plot 1). Now for a start there is only one duct from the chamber in Crow Hill which goes to the front of 28a, there is no way they could run a new duct now underground to either 11a or 13 Linden Avenue so I do not think that quote from Black Sheep can still be valid, I certainly would not want anyone else's services run under my property. If they were to feed 11a from Crow Hill they would need permission to run a duct along the footpath and under what is the garden of 28a right by no 28. 28a is now virtually complete and we assume will be occupied soon as it and 13 Linden have both been sold. The other thing is 28a Crow Hill should have a post code of CT10 1HT which is why I could not find it, makes no sense for it to have a Linden Avenue post code that will cause chaos!
The other thing is 13 Linden is being sold as a new build despite it not having been demolished and rebuilt, the existing outer walls are original but the roof has been removed and a new upstairs added. As it is classed as a new build I'd expect FTTP if I were buying it! The plot for 11a has only been completed to foundation level as they needed a new planning application for it (I think they messed up with an earlier one which was refused!).
All our ducts in this area were surveyed last year and most of the duct cleaning etc was completed by March in Crow Hill, at least that which needed road works. So I'm hoping full FTTP construction in Broadstairs is going ahead well now.
Stuart
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Now for a start there is only one duct from the chamber in Crow Hill which goes to the front of 28a,
That's exactly what BS said.
A single duct to A1, then directly from A1 to A3.
If they were to feed 11a from Crow Hill they would need permission to run a duct along the footpath and under what is the garden of 28a right by no 28
They don't need permission to run the duct from 28a to 11a.
It was a single applicant on the planning permission. They don't need to give themselves permission.
I certainly would not want anyone else's services run under my property.
It's very common, particularly in telecoms.
What's the difference between the duct going from 28A to 11A or instead going from 13 to 11A?
Either way number 11A is getting its OpenReach feed via another property.
They won't dig 3 separate feeds down the pavement back to the junction box for what is a single site if they don't have to.
I'd be confident that BS original info still stands.
The other thing is 28a Crow Hill should have a post code of CT10 1HT which is why I could not find it, makes no sense for it to have a Linden Avenue post code that will cause chaos!
It does with Royal Mail.
OpenReach will update in time.
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I think 6 weeks is pretty damn good, considering the circumstances we've all been under this last year !!
I fully appreciate why there's a long wait from order to installation, but its still a long wait ;)
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That's exactly what BS said.
A single duct to A1, then directly from A1 to A3.
They don't need permission to run the duct from 28a to 11a.
It was a single applicant on the planning permission. They don't need to give themselves permission.
It's very common, particularly in telecoms.
What's the difference between the duct going from 28A to 11A or instead going from 13 to 11A?
Either way number 11A is getting its OpenReach feed via another property.
They won't dig 3 separate feeds down the pavement back to the junction box for what is a single site if they don't have to.
I'd be confident that BS original info still stands.
It does with Royal Mail.
OpenReach will update in time.
My point is that there is no duct from 28a to either 11a or 13 and no way to create one because the landscape of 28a is already complete, they would need to dig up everything they have completed, if they don't dig it up it would need to go overhead.
Stuart
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That was done during the building of the property.
You must consult with OpenReach in advance to get FTTP, else it's automatically copper.
OpenReach provide the developers the ducting free of charge and the builders place the ducting in the ground, right to to the property wall.
OpenReach inspect this and sign it off.
OpenReach then do the work on the pavement and do the ducting between the joint box and the property boundary, where they connect it to the ducting the developer laid.
On larger sites (building whole new estates) the developer also does the pavement ducting and builds all the joint boxes, which OpenReach provide for free.
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That was done during the building of the property.
Well you have to remember I have watched the entire build as I live next door and the duct from the pavement to 28a stops at 28a, it does not continue through to either 13 or 11a.
Stuart
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There is a lot of confusion about these plots but now they have addresses its 28a Crow Hill (plot 3), 11a Linden Avenue (plot 2) and 13 Linden Avenue (plot 1). Now for a start there is only one duct from the chamber in Crow Hill which goes to the front of 28a, there is no way they could run a new duct now underground to either 11a or 13 Linden Avenue so I do not think that quote from Black Sheep can still be valid, I certainly would not want anyone else's services run under my property. If they were to feed 11a from Crow Hill they would need permission to run a duct along the footpath and under what is the garden of 28a right by no 28. 28a is now virtually complete and we assume will be occupied soon as it and 13 Linden have both been sold. The other thing is 28a Crow Hill should have a post code of CT10 1HT which is why I could not find it, makes no sense for it to have a Linden Avenue post code that will cause chaos!
The other thing is 13 Linden is being sold as a new build despite it not having been demolished and rebuilt, the existing outer walls are original but the roof has been removed and a new upstairs added. As it is classed as a new build I'd expect FTTP if I were buying it! The plot for 11a has only been completed to foundation level as they needed a new planning application for it (I think they messed up with an earlier one which was refused!).
All our ducts in this area were surveyed last year and most of the duct cleaning etc was completed by March in Crow Hill, at least that which needed road works. So I'm hoping full FTTP construction in Broadstairs is going ahead well now.
Stuart
Appreciate j0hn helping out ... and Stuart, you have to bear in mind things can and do change ... but currently what is on our systems indicating where the plant is to go, is the same as what it was when mentioned it the first time around.
Plot 3 is fed via new duct from a JUF6 at the bottom of a pole to a JUF6 outside Plot 3 ... Plot 1 is then fed via new duct from this same JUF6 outside Plot 3 - both are fed from the Crow Hill side.
Then, Plot 2 is fed separately via the Linden Av side. All 3 premises are listed under the new-sites project.
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I understand what is showing as planned but my issue is that at no time have I seen any second duct dug from the boundary in Crow Hill to plot 1 (the original house) and now they would have to dig up the new paving etc laid in both surroundings which would be a big task.
Stuart
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How do you know the second duct doesn't just tee off the first duct?
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How do you know the second duct doesn't just tee off the first duct?
Because I saw the current duct dug after all the building was nearly completed. There's no way another duct could be built without us knowing, plot 3 is built on solid chalk any any digging vibrates our whole property actually all the neighbouring properties. The ground level of plot 3 is significantly below plot 1. Actually it's about 3-4 feet below our ground level and thecsame for plot 1.
Stuart
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@Black Sheep any idea what's up with this pole please? It's serves my brother, and its the only one in his road without a CBT.
(https://i.postimg.cc/2y9Hxm2P/2021-05-20-17-34-49.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/q6nXJffL)
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@Black Sheep any idea what's up with this pole please? It's serves my brother, and its the only one in his road without a CBT.
I think A1024 means a replacement is required, noticed this on some old knackered chambers which were duly renewed. Would assume the pole needs replacing before being suitable for a CBT?!
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I thought something must be wrong with the poll, I wonder how long it'll be before it'll be replaced?
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The A1024 label must have been in situ for many, many, months (if not years) for the handwriting to be weathered away. Whatever the defect, it was not deemed as requiring immediate rectification.
Perhaps now, with the absence of a fitted CBT (assuming that one needs to be fitted to that pole for the native FTTP roll-out), whatever work that is required will be actioned. (If the A1024 label is still valid.)
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Hi BC, its the only pole in the road without a CBT and supplies many houses, my brothers being one of them. Annoyingly another pole much closer has a CBT.
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Hopefully Black Sheep will be able to enlighten us as to the situation with regards to pole carrying DP531.
There is just one little bit of information is missing . . . the telephony exchange with which that DP is associated. NDBRO perhaps?
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Before one.network removed details I noticed pole replacements being sheduled around me. More recently I've seen new Openreach jobs showing up that just so happen to be marked EXACTLY where poles are, so I'm guessing there is a fair bit of pole replacement work for the FTTP rollout, for whatever reason.
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Hopefully Black Sheep will be able to enlighten us as to the situation with regards to pole carrying DP531.
There is just one little bit of information is missing . . . the telephony exchange with which that DP is associated. NDBRO perhaps?
Nearly, it's NDRAM, Ramsgate.
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Nearly, it's NDRAM, Ramsgate.
I had a 50% chance of getting it right! :)
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Hi
Alas, there isn't the required information on the A1024 label to be able to investigate what it is for. Sometimes the info will be written on the back of the ticket, to protect it from the elements causing the info to fade.
Basically the A1024 process is to highlight plant issues such as defects (missing pole-steps etc) to low wires across a carriageway. There are many, many things an A1024 can be input for.
What I can say though, is that Ramsgate DP531 isn't listed as being a D-Pole though and therefore not down to be changed. It was last tested in October 2016 and passed. All I've got, I'm afraid.
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Many thanks BS, he's in no hurry and gets a decent VDSL connection, so he'll just have to wait.
Wish they'd hurry up with mine though, although I'm in contract until next April with Virgin, seem to be suffering congestion fairly often now, couldn't load web pages just now.
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@Black Sheep any idea what's up with this pole please? It's serves my brother, and its the only one in his road without a CBT.
Funnily enough the engineers fitted the CBT to my brothers pole yesterday, they said it should be commissioned within a couple of weeks.
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Funnily enough the engineers fitted the CBT to my brothers pole yesterday, they said it should be commissioned within a couple of weeks.
Great stuff - as I mentioned, it hasn't been declared a 'D' Pole (Dangerous), so the A1024 that's attached could be for absolutely anything at all that requires an uplift on the pole, and its associated furniture. In other words - minor work not halting the build.
:)
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Some contractors are now fitting the CBT to the slave pole opposite our pole so I assume one will go up top of our pole as well. Looks very hopeful that I will have a choice later in the year when my contract expires. Luckily there are no large vehicles coming up Crow Hill today, just loads looking for a parking space, as the cable is currently dangling over the road!
Stuart
Update: Yes he is up our pole and got the cable across OK, now fitting the CBT to our pole as well.
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That's good news Stuart.
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Update: Yes he is up our pole and got the cable across OK, now fitting the CBT to our pole as well.
That's good news :)
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Well the contractors are back up our poles again today, looks to me like they are testing the CBTs which were installed the other day.
As an aside I found out how the other new build is being connected, when I spoke with the builder apparently it is being connected via the BTOR ducts in Crow Hill round to Linden Avenue and not via a new duct under the new build plots!
Stuart
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Well the contractors are back up our poles again today, looks to me like they are testing the CBTs which were installed the other day.
Not long left to go then hopefully! :)
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As an aside I found out how the other new build is being connected, when I spoke with the builder apparently it is being connected via the BTOR ducts in Crow Hill round to Linden Avenue and not via a new duct under the new build plots!
Stuart
Wouldn't be surprised if the builders built it wrong in the first place.
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As an aside I found out how the other new build is being connected, when I spoke with the builder apparently it is being connected via the BTOR ducts in Crow Hill round to Linden Avenue and not via a new duct under the new build plots!
Stuart
Wouldn't be surprised if the builders built it wrong in the first place.
At least it will be connected via ducting in a public space. So no wayleave, etc, will be required.
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These are technically new builds, all built by the same builder/owner so I doubt way-leaves were required, even if they was then the builder/owner would have dealt with it.
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Just been on the address checker and it now shows WBC FTTP as available. It says 1 Stage under FTTP Install Process - what does that mean?
Stuart
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Just been on the address checker and it now shows WBC FTTP as available. It says 1 Stage under FTTP Install Process - what does that mean?
Stuart
Pretty sure that should mean you can order FTTP now :) though I think it may take a few days to show up for ISPs?
burakkucat described the stage 1 / 2 install's over on another post -
There are two types of installations, a one stage and a two stage.
With a one stage installation everything is done on that day, both interior and exterior work.
With a two stage installation, the interior and exterior works are performed on separate days. The final act would be to perform a fusion slice of the interior and exterior fibres, which would then be stowed in a customer splice point (CSP). There are both interior and exterior CSPs available.
C
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Well the TT checker does show it is available for most houses in my post code but my house number does not show up, ones either side of mine are there but not mine :no: I am assuming it is because I am currently in contract with TT but if that is the case it is short sighted of them because it wold encourage me to look elsewhere for full fibre, not good PR if that is the case.
Next issue is how do I keep my existing phone number as they are selling data only? Can I port it somehow in advance to a phone only service or do I move to an ISP who does both VDSL with Phone and then upgrade? What options are there?
My wife insists on a real house phone and keeping the number because there are so many places to change it it becomes a real issue.
Stuart
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Stuart, why not port the number to a VOIP service? You would then still have a physical phone. There's now a sub forum on here for VOIP.
We did away with our landline years ago, wife wasn't overly keen, but she could see the logic, we all have our own mobiles, the transition was actually very easy. The only minor problem is that we can't use the ring back feature we had on the landline on the mobiles to get through to the doctor's, as it doesn't exist.
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Stuart, why not port the number to a VOIP service? You would then still have a physical phone. There's now a sub forum on here for VOIP.
We did away with our landline years ago, wife wasn't overly keen, but she could see the logic, we all have our own mobiles, the transition was actually very easy. The only minor problem is that we can't use the ring back feature we had on the landline on the mobiles to get through to the doctor's, as it doesn't exist.
Yes that's what I'll look into, I have time as my existing contract with TT runs till October and I have a pretty reliable 67mbps connection at present so I am not desperate.
Stuart
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My brothers just had a price rise on TalkTalk, so can exit his contract early, he can now order FTTP as its just gone live, although by the time he decides where to move to his 30 days window would have expired - he's notoriously bad at making decisions.
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Next issue is how do I keep my existing phone number as they are selling data only? Can I port it somehow in advance to a phone only service or do I move to an ISP who does both VDSL with Phone and then upgrade? What options are there?
Talktalk don't make it easy.
They don't sell landlines without broadband.
They don't sell FTTP with a landline.
In short if you want FTTP from Talktalk you must transfer your landline number elsewhere.
Migrating the landline number to VOIP will automatically cease the existing FTTC on the day the number transfers (usually 10 working days after ordering a migration).
Order FTTP from Talktalk. Once it's live then migrate the landline number to VOIP, ceasing the Talktalk FTTC.
Alternatively, find another provider.
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Had the run around from TT Fibre phone line today who say it is not available despite showing many houses in my road and connected to the same cabinet as me. They even suggested calling BTOR but apart from being problematic there is little point when their address checker says it is available at my address. Total pl***ers and a waste of space and call! >:( >:(
Stuart
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It's quite possibly not available via TT, if they don't have a cable link in place, then it won't be available. See the threads Tickmike has going as to why TT can supply FTTC but not FTTP on some exchanges.
Edit, have I misunderstood, and TT do show some in your street as FTTP available, but not yours?
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Edit, have I misunderstood, and TT do show some in your street as FTTP available, but not yours?
That's correct quite a large number of properties show up but not mine!
Stuart
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I've been trying to find out what TT are playing at with their checker but so far no luck. I've also checked a few other ISPs including BT and Zen and both say I can have FTTP so their records are correct but TTs are not.
Just one thought.... with all ths blocking os IP addresses by BTOR perhaps TT use a manual process and they have been blocked ;) :blush: :lol:
One thing the guy on their FTTP phone line did say when I said I needed a phone service as well as FTTP was that this might be available from TT by around August this year, now I don't know if there is any truth in this or whether this was just a sales pitch but just perhaps there is a grain of truth in it albeit VOIP rather that anything which would work in a power cut!
Stuart
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Talktalk haven't even trialled VOIP yet and still don't have hardware with a VOIP port.
I'd be amazed if they launched a VOIP product before 2022.
I'll eat my hat if it's released by August.
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I'm going with Zen because the big (non-BT players - TalkTalk/Voda/Sky) have to wait for an auction of space in the exchange before they can offer FTTP. Apparently they don't know when this auction is, so they (Voda) let me out of the contract so i can go elsewhere.
Note, this is all just what Vodafone complaints dept told me and may be a load of rubbish.
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Talktalk haven't even trialled VOIP yet and still don't have hardware with a VOIP port.
I'd be amazed if they launched a VOIP product before 2022.
I'll eat my hat if it's released by August.
As I said I thought it might be a sales pitch just for the sake of it.
I'm going with Zen because the big (non-BT players - TalkTalk/Voda/Sky) have to wait for an auction of space in the exchange before they can offer FTTP. Apparently they don't know when this auction is, so they (Voda) let me out of the contract so i can go elsewhere.
Note, this is all just what Vodafone complaints dept told me and may be a load of rubbish.
Does not explain why they don't show my address but do my neighbours! I could understand it if they did not show any availability but not random!
Since I have had no sensible feedback from TT on this I have emailed the TT CEO ::)
Stuart
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Note, this is all just what Vodafone complaints dept told me and may be a load of rubbish.
It is rubbish.
If they already sell FTTC from the exchange then they don't need any further space to sell FTTP.
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Well I just checked and TT have no updated their database and guess what my address and a whole load more in my post code now show up as having FTTP available. I know it is no use to me right now as I would lose my phone and migrating it to a VOIP service will lose my FTTC connection. Kind of a catch 22 situation. As I said I was not going to rush things until my contract nears its end. I need time to think and sort out what to do.
Stuart
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My brothers just signed up to TT home 500/75 for £35 a month, installation in 3 weeks time, he's decided to just get rid of the phone.
He has a Draytek router, presumably he can just plug that into the ONT?
Is there anything that needs setting up?
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Yes, Just configure PPPoE username and password on the router, then plug into the ONT and all will be good.
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Thanks. I'll let him know.
Still no sign of our estate being done yet :(
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Last night I helped my brother pull in a conduit from the loft to the ground floor, then another from there to where he wants the ONT, typical of my brother leaving things to the last minute.
Anyway all in ready for the install this morning, and an engineer from MJ Quinn's turns up (oh dear), needless to say my brothers install was not done. To be fair to the guy it was non standard which they are not allowed to do, there was also a neighbours TV aerial leaning against the telephone line (been like it for years - can be seen in 2009 Google streetview). Apparently they have to follow very rigorous install guidelines, and risk being penalised, or sacked if they don't. Turns out they only get £55 per install as well.
The engineer reported back to OR, who actually phoned my brother this afternoon and arranged another appointment for two weeks time, this time with an OR engineer, and apparently they are happy to use the conduits we installed, so no cables running down my brother pretty average looking house (hopefully) ;)
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Have you installed pull-cord(s) in the conduit(s)? :-\
And, having viewed it all with your experienced eye, can you see anything that would preclude (say) Black Sheep performing the install?
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Not yet, but there will be a nylon pull cord available, which can be used once the conduit has been cut in the correct place, which we don't yet know - it will depend on the engineer.
So long as the drop wire fits in the conduit (8mm ID smooth wall) it should be possible to pull it down the soffit, through the conduit and back out at ground level. Then pull the internal run through from where the ONT is to be located.
There are currently various unknown, the engineer may fit an internal CSP, so any holes will be drilled on the day, and the conduit cut in the correct location. If the conduit is not suitable for the drop wire to run through, then it will just run externally.
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Ah, I see (with my mind's eye) and will wait for your report on the next installation attempt.
Reviewing the last few posts, I've just noticed --
My brothers just signed up to TT home 500/75 for £35 a month, installation in 3 weeks time, he's decided to just get rid of the phone.
He has a Draytek router, presumably he can just plug that into the ONT?
Is there anything that needs setting up?
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Yes, Just configure PPPoE username and password on the router, then plug into the ONT and all will be good.
I seem to recall that TalkTalk do not use PPPoE but IPoE . . . Hmm. Perhaps j0hn or broadstairs will clarify the situation?
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I'm on Talktalk FTTP 550/75
Definitely no PPP. It's IPoE/DHCP
Talktalk residential use IPoE on all their VDSL2, G.Fast and FTTP lines.
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Is there a particular reason why most ISPs still use PPP? It seems very inefficient and results in end users needing much beefier routers than otherwise necessary.
Is it just legacy in that it works backwards across all old connection methods so it was more cost effective to have a single piece of kit that terminates every connection rather than different ones depending on how the service was delivered?
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I'm on Talktalk FTTP 550/75
Definitely no PPP. It's IPoE/DHCP
Talktalk residential use IPoE on all their VDSL2, G.Fast and FTTP lines.
Thanks John, have you got any information on how he needs to set up his Draytek router please?
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Thanks John, have you got any information on how he needs to set up his Draytek router please?
I've sent you a PM with some screenshots of my VDSL settings. Might give you an some ideas.
Stuart
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Much appreciated, thank you.
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Is there a particular reason why most ISPs still use PPP? It seems very inefficient and results in end users needing much beefier routers than otherwise necessary.
Is it just legacy in that it works backwards across all old connection methods so it was more cost effective to have a single piece of kit that terminates every connection rather than different ones depending on how the service was delivered?
PPPoE requires a BRAS, while IPoE requires a BSR.
TTB EoFTTC connections use IPoE.
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Doesn't really answer the question, though.
BT Wholesale use it to allow them to aggregate connections together and deliver them to ISPs via a variety of products.
TalkTalk Business use it for the same reason.
There are other options however that does need some work - only so many VLANs available and each customer has to be distinct so either need tons of interconnection points or some other way to separate individual customers.
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I guess its a matter of time though? I can't imagine the resources needed to run PPP on XGSPON.
In fact, I might actually have to test this by setting up a PPP server on my PC and trying various devices to see how fast they can go over it.
I know rp-pppoe is not efficient but 60% of a 9900k core at 4.7Ghz to hit 900Mbit, yikes.
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PPPoE requires a BRAS, while IPoE requires a BSR.
PPPoE, BRAS and IPoE are all in my vocabulary. However BSR is not . . . A search has revealed nothing (other than to remind me of Birmingham Sound Reproducers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Sound_Reproducers)). Any hints, please? :-\
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PPPoE, BRAS and IPoE are all in my vocabulary. However BSR is not . . . A search has revealed nothing (other than to remind me of Birmingham Sound Reproducers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Sound_Reproducers)). Any hints, please? :-\
Broadband Service Router
This is the actual equipment being used in our exchanges is it not?
https://documentation.nokia.com/html/0_add-h-f/93-0267-HTML/7X50_Advanced_Configuration_Guide/PPPoE-Hosts.html
https://infoproducts.nokia.com/html/0_add-h-f/93-0098-HTML/7750_SR_OS_Triple_Play_Guide/concepts_PPPoE.html
Which begs the question, does the PPP session terminate at the ISP or on Openreach (or is it BT Wholesale at this point) and they merely are able to lookup the login credentials from the ISP upstream?
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Openreach don't have anything that terminates PPP. Wholesale only terminate BT Retail sessions, the rest their equipment behaves as LACs / L2TP Access Concentrators and forwards the session to the ISP's LNS / L2TP Network Server which terminates the PPP session.
Openreach don't authenticate, Wholesale only look at the realm in the username, the bit after the @, so that they know where to steer the PPP session.
BSR I only know as a PIM multicast bootstrap router. Should be able to terminate IPoE on pretty much anything, it's just Ethernet.
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Should be able to terminate IPoE on pretty much anything, it's just Ethernet.
That has always been my understanding. Thanks for the confirmation.
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Openreach seem to be digging the ground up on Observatory way / New Meridian Village one.network seems to say they are here until the 24th i wonder if this is for FTTP as at the moment its just FTTC in the road :hmm:
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My brothers install is finally live, but he is only getting around 270/73, yet he's on 500/75. Upload is fine, latency is 4ms, just the download is rather low.
I'll hopefully post some pictures later, but an external CSP has been installed in the loft, and the ONT under the stairs, with the internal fibre running through the conduit we installed.
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Was at work earlier, so I will elaborate, BT engineer turned up yesterday afternoon, my brother ran through his preferred options, OR engineer almost insisted on an external install, but after consulting the forum (presumably some private OR Engineers forum) agreed to install the CSP in the loft (which is fully boarded), and then use the 10mm nylon pipe to feed the fibre from the ONT which is under the stairs to the loft.
He completed the internal install yesterday, but was not happy with running the fibre from my brothers current pole to the house, right next to my brothers house is a small side access to two bungalows, only really wide enough for cars, or small vans, could probably just about get a lorry up there but unlikely. He said the drop wire had to be 5.9 meters high - his existing drop wire has been up for decades. So he said he needed to connect to the pole down the road, which was closer but would require a cherry picker, which wasn't available until this morning. He also had to get permission to connect to the other pole.
So this morning they turned up and ran in the new drop wire, and was all working by mid to late morning sometime.
My brothers happy with the install, well apart from the odd download speed, pictures attached.
Out of curiosity what ONT is that?
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Tidy job, glad it all went to plan and the OR engineer finally agreed to the install method.
Apologies if I'am being a bit "thick", just to clarify.
In the CSP photo I presume the drop wire is the thinner cable with the black clips?
So then the other line from the CSP is presumable a fibre jumber in black tubing to the ONT?
As I can't see where the CSP is in relation to the ONT although both obviously in the loft, wondering why the black (fibre) tubing appears to go down the same hole as the ethernet cable from ONT to router which is "under the stairs"?
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You're not being a bit thick, yes the thinner cable with black clips is the drop wire.
The CSP is in the loft, the ONT is under the stairs on the ground floor, between the two locations is 15 meters (it might have had a but cut off but not much) 10mm OD nylon tube, this is fed under the ground level floor across to the corner of the room, then from there it goes up two floors (ground floor + first floor) behind the plasterboard into the loft. Its the black tube with the white clips, the thin white cable is the fibre from the CSP to ONT.
The blue network cable goes under the floor and comes up to the router in the middle of the room where my brother has his desk.
Eventually when he sorts out all his junk, all the networking gear will go under the stairs, hence the need to get the ONT, as eventually will be a UPS as well.
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Out of curiosity what ONT is that?
That is a Nokia G-010G-Q. :)
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@Ronski:
Many thanks for the clarification, all makes sense now.
The preparation work carried out has produced an excellent result once the OR engineer was persuaded to "buy in" with the CSP nice, dry and easily accessable in the loft as is the ONT under the stairs.
My confusion was assuming that the ONT was also in the loft!
Hope the current DS speed shortfall provision is resolved and your brother enjoys the new service.
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There's still issues with the download speed, I advised him to set up a TBB ping monitor, and setup a scripted speed test to monitor it a regular intervals. At some point he'll have contact TT though.
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My brothers resolved the issue, he turned on hardware acceleration in his Draytek router, now getting 480Mbps down.
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Just seen on another thread that if you have ECI equipment in the exchange your speeds can be limited to 330/50 is this likely to be true here in Thanet :no: >:( if it is.
Stuart
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I've seen that before as well, but I've seen both 330 and 1000 speeds available, sometimes only a few houses apart, don't know if it's still the case as my IP address is blocked.
My brother in Ramsgate is on 500/75 with TT.
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Just seen on another thread that if you have ECI equipment in the exchange your speeds can be limited to 330/50 is this likely to be true here in Thanet :no: >:( if it is.
Stuart
Definitely not.
That's only applicable to older FTTP deployments.
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John, do you think that none of our FTTP is connected to the older ECI exchange equipment like in this post?
https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,26303.0.html
I've seen speed estimates for local properties, some were 330, others were 1000, no idea if this is still the case though.
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His FTTP (the person in that thread) was rolled out in 2017 or even earlier.
Edit: 2018 or earlier.
This example was 2017 (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,26041.msg436862.html#msg436862)
There's a very large number of properties who show only 330 available that aren't connected to ECI hardware.
Usually it's just a database error. The same type of database error that's showing 1000Mb to some on ECI hardware.
Sometimes it's a backhaul/cablelink issue restricting speeds.
All OpenReach FTTP deployed in the last couple years will be on Huawei or Nokia OLT's (or even ADTRAN).
The only people who are unlucky enough to sign up to FTTP and end up stuck on ECI hardware are those on older FTTP rollouts.
Nobody who's waiting on an FTTP rollout should be worried about ECI limitations, fortunately.
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Thanks John, that's good to know. Hopefully one day it will be rolled out to our estate :fingers:
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Here's a funny thing, TT have told my brother he's going to receive £75 compensation for his delayed install. The only reason it was delayed was because my brother wanted it installed in a certain way that the first sub contractor wouldn't do.
He's not claimed for this, not complained or anything, it's just come out of blue.
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As we've been a tad busy I only just got round to looking to full fibre and now find BT are now supplying Digital Voice which was not available leader here before.
Stuart
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Well I've bitten the bullet and signed up for BT Full Fibre with Digital Voice. Installation should be 15th December in the afternoon. It is quite a good deal with their Black Friday offerings, I've only gone for the 100 package which is a max of 150mb down and 30mb up which is more than enough for us. The deal gives me 3 months free plus 2 digital voice handsets. Now to wait and hope it all goes OK.
Stuart
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Nice, hope you went via Top Cash Back or Quidco ;)
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I've been getting some communications from TalkTalk asking me to stay with them and so I decided to call and tell them exactly why I'm moving on. I spoke to a very nice young lady and explained that I'm moving not through choice but because they wont supply the service I need. She was very apologetic (as expected) but obviously could not supply the FTTP with a digital phone connection so there was no way of staying, I also suggested they are getting a bit behind the times as they do not have IPV6 as well. She promised to pas my comments on but I doubt it will make much difference, however phasing out copper in a few years will likely force their hand.
I don't need IPV6 as I have a software solution installed to access IPV6 sites, but it would be a nice to have.
Stuart
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Can you access https://loopsofzen.uk/ (https://loopsofzen.uk/) ?
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I really don't get why digital voice was so important. My plan is to get FTTP, migrate landline number to AAISP VoIP, job done.
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I really don't get why digital voice was so important. My plan is to get FTTP, migrate landline number to AAISP VoIP, job done.
VOIP was important but with the offer from BT for 3 free month and Digital Voice with two free handsets it seemed like a good choice as I was going to have to move anyway. TT would not install FTTP and leave FTTC so I could move the phone later. The implication with BT was if I took Digital Voice later it would be with a new number.
Stuart
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Can you access https://loopsofzen.uk/ (https://loopsofzen.uk/) ?
Not yet, I had not had to access any IPV6 addresses for a while and had not noticed an update in the software last month has raised a bug which I have reported. So when it gets fixed I will try again.
Stuart
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Not yet, I had not had to access any IPV6 addresses for a while and had not noticed an update in the software last month has raised a bug which I have reported. So when it gets fixed I will try again.
Stuart
Bug fixed and I can access that website now.
Stuart
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Well I'm up and running posting this using BT FTTP ;D ;D ;D Guy from MJ Quinn did the install and I cant fault it he was very helpful and I have the CSP installed behind my back gate where it can't get knocked or damaged.
Stuart
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Well I'm up and running posting this using BT FTTP ;D ;D ;D
Congratulations. :congrats:
Do you have the ONT in the upstairs cupboard, as planned?
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Congratulations. :congrats:
Do you have the ONT in the upstairs cupboard, as planned?
No I decided not to in the end, it is hidden behind a bookcase in the corner now. It would have been a lot of extra work to put in the mains socket which I removed years ago after ISDN was taken out.
Stuart
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Understood. (Though PoE would have resolved that problem.)
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Talktalk haven't even trialled VOIP yet and still don't have hardware with a VOIP port.
I'd be amazed if they launched a VOIP product before 2022.
I'll eat my hat if it's released by August.
Well that's 2021 over with. I don't need to eat my hat then :D
On a more serious note Talktalk (consumer/residential) finally started trialling their VOIP product earlier this month.
The trial is only open to existing FTTC customers who upgrade to FTTP.
They won't allow existing FTTP customers on to the trial at present.