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Title: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: adslmax on February 02, 2020, 09:47:21 AM
 Pulse8 sales Adam has told me that Pulse8 G.fast are now available for new customer & existing customer. The order have to be via email only as it not available online order at present.

G.fast 160/30 (unlimited usage with one static ip address with 1 month contract inc line rental) @ £48 per month

G.fast 220/50 (unlimited usage with one static ip address with 1 month contract inc line rental) @ £57 per month

Both come with no installation charges for new phone and G.fast activation fee until March 2020

Both will be using TalkTalk Business network for G.fast

G.fast router can be purchase from Pulse8 cost £186 inc vat called Zyxel XMG 3927-B50A Wireless AC2400Mbps Openreach Approved G.fast Router

Excellent 5G WiFi coverage. Suitable for small business or high demand homes with G.fast / VDSL2 Modem + dedicated WAN port / VoIP / USB Sharing / 3G Backup
     
Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: re0 on February 02, 2020, 04:24:08 PM
Sam has replied to my email about the availbility a few weeks back and it looks like both Home (Care Level 2) and Business (Care Level 3) connections are available with 330/50 Mbps.

Home 160/30Mbps Unlimited Use (Care Level 2)£48/month
Home 330/50Mbps Unlimited Use (Care Level 2)£57/month
Business 160/30Mbps Unlimited Use (Care Level 3)£57/month
Business 330/50Mbps Unlimited Use (Care Level 3)£66/month

Bear in mind there is no IPv6 availability, and there is no live date. But it is "something" they are working on.

Quote from: adslmax
Pulse8 offer 220/50 for £57 a month with no contract

According to an email I have had, Pulse8 are offering up to 330/50 Mbps unlimited on a monthly contract, with free install until March.

[Moderator edited to insert the preceding quotation (and response) which was removed from other topics in which Max had "splatter posted" off-topic information about Pulse8 and G.Fast services.]
Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: adslmax on February 02, 2020, 04:39:25 PM
I was very surprised that Openreach won't mind for pulse 8 to have no contract because this pulse 8 are the only isp will offer g.fast with no 12 months contract.
Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: niemand on February 03, 2020, 02:57:27 PM
The minimum term on G.fast, if you get it directly from Openreach as TalkTalk Business, Pulse8's supplier do, is a month, same as every other FTTC product.

EDIT: To avoid confusion if you purchase via BT Wholesale the minimum term is 12 months. Presumably due at least in part to their perhaps needing to spend money upgrading parts of their network to accommodate the higher capacity needs.
Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: meritez on February 03, 2020, 07:11:16 PM
Quote from: CarlT on February 03, 2020, 02:57:27 PM
The minimum term on G.fast, if you get it directly from Openreach as TalkTalk Business, Pulse8's supplier do, is a month, same as every other FTTC product.

EDIT: To avoid confusion if you purchase via BT Wholesale the minimum term is 12 months. Presumably due at least in part to their perhaps needing to spend money upgrading parts of their network to accommodate the higher capacity needs.

Pulse8 must have some kind of funky deal then, will query TTB tomorrow while we are at their roadshow at the National History Museum: https://www.talktalkbusiness.co.uk/partners/news-and-insight/events/partner-roadshow-2020/
Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: adslmax on February 03, 2020, 10:59:12 PM
I been asking Pulse8 a few weeks ago as Openreach rejected G.fast for my area Cuckoo Oak because there is due to a lack of capacity from TalkTalk Business for G.fast isn't available for some exchanges. Only the Openreach with BTw network will be available through Green ISP, IDNet, Zen, Sky, BT & AAISP.

The same with Plusnet ISP don't have G.fast on their product because there is no G.fast network capacity on their side. I know the cheaper G.fast 160/30 from TalkTalk using talktalk business are £28 per month with 18 months contract. Have to check their website Faster 150 Fibre - TalkTalk and check their availability checker.
Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on February 03, 2020, 11:55:30 PM
That's scary, as it could scupper my FTTP plans if TTB has no capacity on my exchange as Zen use them.

Although its a big exchange, I'd really hope they will see its Fibre First and put in the infrastructure ahead of time.
Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: niemand on February 04, 2020, 01:20:10 PM
Quote from: Alex Atkin UK on February 03, 2020, 11:55:30 PM
That's scary, as it could scupper my FTTP plans if TTB has no capacity on my exchange as Zen use them.

Zen use BT Wholesale for FTTP even where they've unbundled the exchange much of the time.
Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: niemand on February 04, 2020, 01:21:58 PM
Quote from: adslmax on February 03, 2020, 10:59:12 PM
The same with Plusnet ISP don't have G.fast on their product because there is no G.fast network capacity on their side.

Plusnet exclusively use BT Wholesale. They could sell G.fast if they wished.
Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: underzone on February 04, 2020, 03:52:16 PM
Doesn't BT's implementation of G.fast require IPv6 to be present?

Something which Plusnet currently lack...
Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on February 04, 2020, 06:38:23 PM
Quote from: CarlT on February 04, 2020, 01:20:10 PM
Zen use BT Wholesale for FTTP even where they've unbundled the exchange much of the time.

Good to know.  Seems a smart decision, means they have plenty of time to slowly upgrade their network based on where it would be most effective, while not holding back their product roll outs.
Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: adslmax on February 04, 2020, 06:42:52 PM
Will Openreach plan to addition 212 MHz for g fast in the future?
Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: niemand on February 05, 2020, 12:48:46 PM
Extremely unlikely. That is intended for FTTB deployments, not the FTTC deployment Openreach did.
Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: j0hn on February 05, 2020, 01:11:50 PM
Quote from: underzone on February 04, 2020, 03:52:16 PM
Doesn't BT's implementation of G.fast require IPv6 to be present?

Something which Plusnet currently lack...

Definitely not. Completely unrelated.

A number of ISP's sell G.Fast and still offer no IPV6.
Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: re0 on February 05, 2020, 01:32:25 PM
Quote from: adslmax on February 04, 2020, 06:42:52 PM
Will Openreach plan to addition 212 MHz for g fast in the future?
It would make more sense to find effective ways to utilise lower frequencies.
Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: adslmax on February 05, 2020, 01:39:24 PM
It seem openreach has increasing g.fast speed by an extra 20Mbps according to BTw checker:


Telephone Number 01********* on Exchange CUCKOO OAK is served by Cabinet 8

Featured Products


Downstream Line Rate(Mbps)


Upstream Line Rate(Mbps)


Downstream Handback Threshold(Mbps)


WBC FTTC Availability Date


WBC SOGEA Availability Date


High Low High Low
VDSL Range A (Clean) 80 70.5 20 19 65.3 Available Available --
VDSL Range B (Impacted) 80 68 20 19 62.2 Available Available --
G.fast Range A (Clean) 255.9 186.5 38.8 17.8 162.8 Available Available -- (before 235.2)
G.fast Range B (Impacted) 212 150.8 26.8 13.4 137.4 Available Available -- (before 191.3)

Observed Speeds


G.Fast
Max Observed Downstream Speed (Mbps) -- 225.64
Max Upstream Observed Speed (Mbps) -- 50
Observed Date -- 2020-02-05


VDSL
Max Observed Downstream Speed (Mbps) -- 80
Max Upstream Observed Speed (Mbps) -- 20
Observed Date -- 2020-02-05


Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: niemand on February 05, 2020, 02:28:09 PM
Not really. They just used telemetry from your line to update estimates - as they should.
Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: meritez on February 05, 2020, 07:27:26 PM
Quote from: CarlT on February 05, 2020, 02:28:09 PM
Not really. They just used telemetry from your line to update estimates - as they should.

Exactly, if you look at the quoted cabinet: http://telecom-tariffs.co.uk/codelook.htm?xid=26501&postcodeloc=11446&cabinet=P8

Quote
Post Code   Road   Locality   Distance   20CN   21CN WBC   Openreach Fibre   Broadband Speed   Cabinet
TF7 5FB     Castlefields Way     Cuckoo Oak, Telford, Shropshire     1,009m     ADSL     ADSL2+     FTTC Available from 4th February 2014     100% area up to 300MB   P8 100% area
TF7 5NA     Wigmores     Cuckoo Oak, Telford, Shropshire     984m     ADSL     ADSL2+     FTTC Available from 4th February 2014     100% area up to 30MB   P8 3% area
TF7 5NS     Willowfield     Cuckoo Oak, Telford, Shropshire     1,199m     ADSL     ADSL2+     FTTC Available from 4th February 2014     100% area up to 300MB   P8 100% area
TF7 5NT     Willowfield     Cuckoo Oak, Telford, Shropshire     1,122m     ADSL     ADSL2+     FTTC Available from 4th February 2014     46% area up to 300MB, 53% area up to 30MB   P8 100% area
TF7 5NU     Willowfield     Cuckoo Oak, Telford, Shropshire     1,101m     ADSL     ADSL2+     FTTC Available from 4th February 2014     100% area up to 30MB   P8 100% area
TF7 5NX     Willowfield     Cuckoo Oak, Telford, Shropshire     1,012m     ADSL     ADSL2+     FTTC Available from 4th February 2014     100% area up to 30MB   P8 97% area
TF7 5NY     Willowfield     Cuckoo Oak, Telford, Shropshire     1,096m     ADSL     ADSL2+     FTTC Available from 4th February 2014     100% area up to 30MB   P8 100% area
TF7 5NZ     Castlefields Way     Cuckoo Oak, Telford, Shropshire     1,038m     ADSL     ADSL2+     FTTC Available from 4th February 2014     100% area up to 30MB   P8 100% area
TF7 5PA     Wantage     Cuckoo Oak, Telford, Shropshire     1,308m     ADSL     ADSL2+     FTTC Available from 4th February 2014     100% area up to 300MB   P8 84% area
TF7 5PD     Woodrows     Cuckoo Oak, Telford, Shropshire     1,194m     ADSL     ADSL2+     FTTC Available from 4th February 2014     82% area up to 300MB, 17% area up to 30MB   P8 34% area
TF7 5PE     Wantage     Cuckoo Oak, Telford, Shropshire     1,245m     ADSL     ADSL2+     FTTC Available from 4th February 2014     100% area up to 300MB   P8 97% area
TF7 5PF     Wantage     Cuckoo Oak, Telford, Shropshire     1,187m     ADSL     ADSL2+     FTTC Available from 4th February 2014     75% area up to 300MB, 24% area up to 30MB   P8 100% area

I would hazard a guess that adslmax's new stats telemetry is being used to update all the addresses that can now have up to 300MB.

Would that leave all the 30MB areas as places which have flats or apartments that Openreach need wayleaves for?

@adslmax can you comment? are Castlefields Way and Wigmores both apartment blocks?

Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on February 05, 2020, 07:37:03 PM
Quote from: CarlT on February 05, 2020, 02:28:09 PM
Not really. They just used telemetry from your line to update estimates - as they should.

Indeed, when I got my Plusnet line fitted it was estimating maximum sync because there was no telemetry for it.
Once I started using it the estimates reduced dramatically to below my Zen line, based on actual line performance metrics.
Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: j0hn on February 05, 2020, 08:37:28 PM
Quote from: meritez on February 05, 2020, 07:27:26 PM

Would that leave all the 30MB areas as places which have flats or apartments that Openreach need wayleaves for?

@adslmax can you comment? are Castlefields Way and Wigmores both apartment blocks?

It's G.Fast? What do wayleaves have to do with it? Nothing touched but the addition of a pod on the PCP.
Title: Re: G.Fast is Now Available from Pulse8
Post by: niemand on February 05, 2020, 09:04:57 PM
The 300 Mb areas on Codelook are probably Virgin Media coverage. The data from Mr Max will not be related - note how old the BT Wholesale data set is.

Magenta Telecom SQL Database, Version 1.3
Creation Date: 5th February 2020
Source: Ofcom CodeList numbering database dated 5th February 2020
Source: BT Electronic Price List dated 5th February 2020
Source: BT Wholesale broadband datasets dated 15th August 2019