Kitz Forum
Broadband Related => ISPs => Topic started by: N0STIE on January 13, 2020, 10:04:00 AM
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Hi,
My Plusnet contract ends this month and I am thinking of signing up with them again due to low latency (10ms).
Just seen Vodafone deal for existing customers as I got mobile contract with them. They offer up to 76mbps for £17.50.
Anyone already with their fibre package and can give me any opinion? What DLM profile do they use? Will it give me around 10ms as Plusnet do? How's they like stability etc?
Thanks!
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I'm on vodafone's 80/20 up to 76mbps minimum 63mbps service:
quick speedtest on think broadband gives:
https://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/1578942426220447155
(https://www.thinkbroadband.com/_assets/speedtest/button/1578942426220447155.png)
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I’m on Vodafone and can test.
But a 10msec ping to where? :)
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@displaced
To servers in London, BBC, multiplay.co.uk etc.
Preferably from north west
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@displaced
To servers in London, BBC, multiplay.co.uk etc.
Preferably from north west
I'm in the South East, but here's my results (via an Ethernet connection):
mediabox@trillian:~ % ping multiplay.co.uk
PING multiplay.co.uk (85.236.96.26): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 85.236.96.26: icmp_seq=0 ttl=56 time=8.216 ms
64 bytes from 85.236.96.26: icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=8.548 ms
64 bytes from 85.236.96.26: icmp_seq=2 ttl=56 time=8.489 ms
64 bytes from 85.236.96.26: icmp_seq=3 ttl=56 time=8.333 ms
64 bytes from 85.236.96.26: icmp_seq=4 ttl=56 time=8.325 ms
64 bytes from 85.236.96.26: icmp_seq=5 ttl=56 time=8.486 ms
^C
--- multiplay.co.uk ping statistics ---
6 packets transmitted, 6 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 8.216/8.399/8.548/0.116 ms
mediabox@trillian:~ % ping bbc.co.uk
PING bbc.co.uk (151.101.192.81): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 151.101.192.81: icmp_seq=0 ttl=58 time=8.146 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.192.81: icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=8.176 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.192.81: icmp_seq=2 ttl=58 time=8.046 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.192.81: icmp_seq=3 ttl=58 time=8.026 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.192.81: icmp_seq=4 ttl=58 time=8.083 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.192.81: icmp_seq=5 ttl=58 time=8.212 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.192.81: icmp_seq=6 ttl=58 time=8.008 ms
^C
--- bbc.co.uk ping statistics ---
7 packets transmitted, 7 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 8.008/8.099/8.212/0.073 ms
I can only speak from my experience, but I've been perfectly happy with Vodafone, at least after a wobbly start.
If you do choose them, here's a tip: Ditch the Vodafone-provided Huawei HHG2500. It's junk.
I had 4 years of totally stable BT Infinity via an Openreach HG612 modem. After switching to Vodafone, their HHG2500 router lost sync several times an hour, causing my line to be banded. I got my PPPoE login details from Vodafone, reconfigured my existing HG612 with those details, and eventually got Openreach to reset the DLM on my line. Since then, it's been great.
In two or three years with them (can't quite remember!), I've had maybe two disconnects and one case where there was noticeable congestion. I think I recall that was due to a router failure on their side, rather than run-of-the-mill congestion -- and lasted only a few hours.
I can't speak for how good their DNS or Email services are, as I don't use them -- I've got email hosted elsewhere, and use a local caching nameserver that delegates lookups to Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 service.
[edit to add: I'm on the 76Mbit service, but my line is ~620m to the cabinet, so I get about 60Mbit down/10Mbit up with G.INP/interleaving etc. So not a terrible line, but not a great one either. Of course, that'd be the same no matter what VDSL ISP I use!]
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What DLM profile do they use?
Standard
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I got my PPPoE login details from Vodafone
are they giving that out again now?
there was a time when they did and then stopped giving it out.
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are they giving that out again now?
there was a time when they did and then stopped giving it out.
webchat are very quick to hand out PPPoE details
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are they giving that out again now?
there was a time when they did and then stopped giving it out.
Yep, they are! In the first month or so they were handing them out. Then by the time I signed up they’d changed their policy and I had a good 4 hour argument to get my details. About 3 months after that they withdrew the ‘our modem only’ policy and now hand out the info without any quibbles.
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Standard
@kitz can you clarify as I am a little confused by this, so is it Standard of NGA FTTC or WBC?
ISP's known to use NGA Speed Profile: AAISP, BT, Plusnet, Zen.
ISP's known to use NGA Standard Profile: EE, Sky, TalkTalk, Vodafone.
So are we looking at NGA Profile (FTTC) or WBC 20/21CN, because they say different things for different ISPs.
Does that mean it will perform the same as Plusnet in terms of reliability/latency or worse as Plusnet use Speed profile as of NGA FTTC?
On the other hand, what DLM profile do Zen use as I am also considering them. Is this information up to date?
Thank you!
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Vodafone use the NGA Standard DLM policy.
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Vodafone use the NGA Standard DLM policy.
So most likely my pings will double compared to PN? I am on ECI cab 80/20 full sync very stable line 300m from cabinet
VDSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 79995 kbps 20000 kbps
Line Attenuation 11.9 db 10.6 db
Noise Margin 11.3 db 9.8 db
Some stats from D7000 v2
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So most likely my pings will double compared to PN? I am on ECI cab 80/20 full sync very stable line 300m from cabinet
VDSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 79995 kbps 20000 kbps
Line Attenuation 11.9 db 10.6 db
Noise Margin 11.3 db 9.8 db
Some stats from D7000 v2
Why? I changed mine from BT to TT and my ping remains at about 8ms to bbc.co.uk or google.co.uk