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Broadband Related => FTTC and FTTP Issues => Topic started by: snadge on November 08, 2019, 08:21:04 PM
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Hi all
my nephew who lives in a mad house of 5 is on Talk Talk, dunno if its ADSL or VDSL ADSL on Origin, but he gets lags all the time as his mother and sister facebook on mobiles while netflix is going on the TV.,.. ive told him his best options is to get a 2nd line installed for £130 and pay £24 a month for his OWN broadband with Plusnet wired in straight into his room...but... if this isnt an option whats next?
would a gaming router help? they use the supplied pap and they are all on the wifi too
as xDSL uses thousands of channels over 'x' Mhz cant gaming routers cap off certain "tones" just for the gamer?
any help is appreciated
thanks
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as xDSL uses thousands of channels over 'x' Mhz cant gaming routers cap off certain "tones" just for the gamer?
No. There is no means to do as such. :no:
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No. There is no means to do as such. :no:
so what do these 'gaming' routers do exactly? seems to be 'snake oil' to me
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...I also just found out they are on ADSL on Origin not Talk Talk :(
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so what do these 'gaming' routers do exactly? seems to be 'snake oil' to me
I would go as far as to say that they probably just part the gullible from their money. ::) The only thing I think that a "gaming router" might have is more prominent QoS settings. But as I have no experience of those so named devices, perhaps other members may be able to comment?
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ive told him his best options is to get a 2nd line installed for £130 and pay £24 a month for his OWN broadband with Plusnet wired in straight into his room...but... if this isnt an option whats next?
Wouldn't a cheaper/better option just be to upgrade the existing ADSL connection to FTTC if that's available
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Wouldn't a cheaper/better option just be to upgrade the existing ADSL connection to FTTC if that's available
I'd second that. Buying a better router won't make any difference for 5 users using an ADSL connection. I'd like to say most ISP-provided routers can handle quite a few simultaneous WiFi users without an issue, especially when the underlying connection is ADSL. Plus, QoS impmentations tend to be a bit finicky unless it is ISP-side.
If there is no FTTC available then it might be worth looking at alternative arrangements, whether that is an additional ADSL connection or mobile broadband connection (note: mobile broadband may not be ideal for gaming, but may be suitable for other users in the household to use).
Just my 2 cents.
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Hi
Most of the gaming servers will try to equalise all users who play online
Gaming lag should not make much difference as the lowest lag is increased to attempt equalisation to the highest lag
Now there is a trick called light switch (if you get caught they will ban you) which induces very high lag and when servers equalised, you turn it off and now your lag returns to normal giving you the edge
As a gamer, I see this affect from other players but thankfully the games I play it does not matter mostly, as they are racing simulation games.
So lag should not make much difference if equalised
Many thanks
John
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My god son was griping about lagging out during Fortnite... I told him that is more to do with backgound CPU tasks rather than internet speed.
Most gaming packets of info are only 265Kb at most so whether you're using ADSL or VDSL should not make much difference.
He did his own research (he's just turning 13yrs) and has confirmed my info and has now cured all his lagging woes ;) by tweaking his Windows 10.
Above info is for PC gaming, I don't know anything about Xbox/Play stations.
His parents are also avid Netflix users. They are using 40Mb John Lewis VDSL connected by a TP Link VR900v1 Modem router, hardwired to 2 PC's a LG E7 oled and a few Laptops/mobile devices.
No QOS has been set. Ping test was 18ms to BBC.
For those still awake at this point ;D more info detailed here https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=727946014
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I know nothing about gaming, other than they use 'port forwarding' as a means of achieving better times ??.
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I’m sorry I do not believe port forwarding gives better times
Port forwarding does not create or use traffic, it just directs traffic to a given device
You could use upnp if you do not know how or what ports to forward
I have an Xbox and it is treble nat’d and traverses multiple edge systems because I prefer hardwire over Wi-Fi and do not see any lag.
Yes we have multiple vdsl and ping times to bbc are approx 25ms using business 80/20
The rule of thumb I go by is anything less then 50ms is not noticeable and game servers equalise lag
Many thanks
John
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What speed is the ADSL, are there alternative options such as VDSL, does he get lag when the the others are not watching Netflix, are there any cloud backups that could be running?
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@d2d4j come on Lag Switching has been dead for a while using that method :lol:
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Prime example of where SQM QoS will do wonders.
I have used an 8/1 connection where anyone else opening a youtube video would ruin a game, was fixed with SQM.
ANY cheap openwrt compatible router will be able to shape an ADSL2+ connection with ease.
The archer c7 is mentioned by most, but we'd need more info for an in depth look about what is cheap and available to you.
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Hi
@hatrix haha yes but technique still used by some and you would be surprised that some players do not know of it
So I’m clear, I am not the best player and win, but I play fair and have friends all around the world that are similar to myself, play fair and help other players
I am though in the top 1% of racing players on certain racing sims, shown from track time and must be clean laps.
Many thanks
John
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My god son was griping about lagging out during Fortnite... I told him that is more to do with backgound CPU tasks rather than internet speed.
Most gaming packets of info are only 265Kb at most so whether you're using ADSL or VDSL should not make much difference.
He did his own research (he's just turning 13yrs) and has confirmed my info and has now cured all his lagging woes ;) by tweaking his Windows 10.
Above info is for PC gaming, I don't know anything about Xbox/Play stations.
His parents are also avid Netflix users. They are using 40Mb John Lewis VDSL connected by a TP Link VR900v1 Modem router, hardwired to 2 PC's a LG E7 oled and a few Laptops/mobile devices.
No QOS has been set. Ping test was 18ms to BBC.
For those still awake at this point ;D more info detailed here https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=727946014
Go wired cat 5-6 cable is the only way to reduce the latency and variations of it, which is what is causing the lag , and the choice of router will make little to no difference
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As others have said it is usually more advanced configuration for QoS
I believe the Netgear gaming routers run on DUMA OS which has some pretty neat monitoring options plus tools to easily partition bandwidth and select location of gaming servers to keep latency to a minimum. It's the GUI which makes it stand out from other routers as it has some really nice graphical representations which make things like bandwidth allocation per device a breeze - even for a noob.