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Broadband Related => FTTC and FTTP Issues => Topic started by: daveesh1 on October 22, 2019, 09:58:43 AM

Title: New BT Line
Post by: daveesh1 on October 22, 2019, 09:58:43 AM
Whats the chances of getting an old second line re-connected and FTTC enabled but connected to the new Huawei cabinet instead of the ECI i am connected to now.
Title: Re: New BT Line
Post by: tubaman on October 22, 2019, 11:53:13 AM
I would say it is a gamble as you will be connected to the next available port - which could be in either cabinet.
 :)
Title: Re: New BT Line
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on October 22, 2019, 08:29:42 PM
Not just that, there is a gamble of line quality.

When I got my second line connected the stats are clearly worse than the first line. Though granted if that line had been on a Hauwei port it probably still would have beaten the first line on the ECI, once DLM had done its thing.
Title: Re: New BT Line
Post by: chakobsa on October 22, 2019, 08:33:58 PM
Obviously its a gamble but recent experience from this forum including my own would suggest if there is space in an Huawei cab they will connect to that cab. Makes sense for their point of view if they have less issues with the Huawei estate.
Title: Re: New BT Line
Post by: daveesh1 on October 23, 2019, 08:32:09 AM
Thanks people. One last question pay for the line to be connected so can have a month to month contract or new 18 month contract and no reconnection charge
Title: Re: New BT Line
Post by: tubaman on October 23, 2019, 10:28:36 AM
Thanks people. One last question pay for the line to be connected so can have a month to month contract or new 18 month contract and no reconnection charge

A gamble again, as you could enter into a new 18 month contract and then find yourself on the ECI cabinet. If it was me, and the only reason for the extra connection was to try and get on the Huawei cabinet, I think I'd be paying the connection charge so I could cut my losses if it all went wrong.
 :)
Title: Re: New BT Line
Post by: j0hn on October 23, 2019, 01:55:48 PM
Thanks people. One last question pay for the line to be connected so can have a month to month contract or new 18 month contract and no reconnection charge

If you don't want stuck in a contract on the ECI then go with a 1 month contract.

NowTV used to do reasonable 1 month FTTC contracts.

Was the ECI cabinet on a waiting list when the Huawei was installed?
Title: Re: New BT Line
Post by: daveesh1 on October 23, 2019, 02:21:23 PM
No that’s the thing The ECI was not on a waiters list the Huawei just appeared in April and went live towards end July begining of August that’s when the front lock was changed from green to silver.
Title: Re: New BT Line
Post by: daveesh1 on November 28, 2019, 07:51:18 AM
Well today should be the day the newline and broadband is activated bt say the attached for the new line speed but we will see

[Moderator edited to adjust the attachment, as a result of a concern raised.]
Title: Re: New BT Line
Post by: Ronski on November 28, 2019, 10:22:26 AM
I thought that once a Huawei fibre twin cabinet was installed and live they switched to using that for totally new connections - lines that last had VDSL on would still be routed through the ECI cab, so would use that, hence why it was advisable to switch an existing line to adsl.
Title: Re: New BT Line
Post by: daveesh1 on November 28, 2019, 01:11:57 PM
Well it has worked Connected to the Huawei speed not brilliant but its a start

xDSL
Mode   VDSL2
Traffic Type   PTM
Status   Up
Link Power State   L0
Downstream   Upstream
Line Coding (Trellis)   On   On
SNR Margin (dB)   6.2   8.6
Attenuation (dB)   22.1   0.0
Output Power (dBm)   13.2   7.3
Attainable Rate (Kbps)   45352   12524
Rate (Kbps)   38313   9999
B (# of bytes in Mux Data Frame)   51   236
M (# of Mux Data Frames in an RS codeword)   1   1
T (# of Mux Data Frames in an OH sub-frame)   64   23
R (# of redundancy bytes in the RS codeword)   12   16
S (# of data symbols over which the RS code word spans)   0.0432   0.7543
L (# of bits transmitted in each data symbol)   11856   2694
D (interleaver depth)   749   1
I (interleaver block size in bytes)   64   127
N (RS codeword size)   64   254
Delay (msec)   8   0
INP (DMT symbol)   3.00   0.00
OH Frames   202906   64181
OH Frame Errors   0   0
RS Words   51852702   2986368
RS Correctable Errors   5299   0
RS Uncorrectable Errors   0   0
HEC Errors   0   0
OCD Errors   0   0
LCD Errors   0   0
Total Cells   41480396   0
Data Cells   597737   0
Bit Errors   0   0
Total ES   0   0
Total SES   0   0
Total UAS   30

Title: Re: New BT Line
Post by: daveesh1 on November 28, 2019, 01:59:06 PM
Just to prove it is the new Huawei cabinet

DSLAM type / SW version:   BDCM:0xa48c (164.140) / v0xa48c
Modem/router firmware:     AnnexA version - A2pv6F039g1.d24m
DSL mode:                  VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status:                    Showtime
Uptime:                     0 hour 54 min 27 sec
Resyncs:                   0 (since 28 Nov 2019 13:03:04)
         
            Downstream   Upstream
Line attenuation (dB):     22.1      0.0
Signal attenuation (dB):   Not available on VDSL2      
Connection speed (kbps):   38313      9999
SNR margin (dB):           6.2      8.5
Power (dBm):               13.2      7.3
Interleave depth:          749      1
INP:                       3.00      0
G.INP:                     Not enabled      Not enabled
Vectoring status:          5 (VECT_UNCONFIGURED)      

RSCorr/RS (%):             0.0059      0.0000
RSUnCorr/RS (%):           0.0000      0.0000
ES/hour:                   0.58      0.14
Title: Re: New BT Line
Post by: daveesh1 on November 30, 2019, 04:36:28 PM
Guess what got enabled on my new line this morning after two days of running ?
Title: Re: New BT Line
Post by: Ronski on November 30, 2019, 07:00:19 PM
G.INP  :)
Title: Re: New BT Line
Post by: daveesh1 on November 30, 2019, 11:21:16 PM
Yeah. Will be waiting a very long time for it on the ECI cab
Title: Re: New BT Line
Post by: Chrysalis on December 02, 2019, 05:08:26 PM
Probably forever, if G.INP was coming for ECI it would be here by now.

ECI users either need to await a new replacement tech such as G.FAST/FTTP or hope to get a second cab as hauwei and move to it.
Title: Re: New BT Line
Post by: daveesh1 on December 02, 2019, 05:32:01 PM
They need to do something as it is like a 2 tier network. I have been lucky as I am one of the first on the new Huawei cab. Just need to decide if to keep the original line or cancel it.
Title: Re: New BT Line
Post by: Chrysalis on December 02, 2019, 05:45:00 PM
Sadly they dont need to do anything, its a "best efforts" service with very low quality assurance.

The easiest way to get over it I feel is to think of how bad things would be without the cabinet at all and on ADSL, then I am grateful for having ECI VDSL.
Title: Re: New BT Line
Post by: daveesh1 on December 06, 2019, 09:43:48 AM
new line seems to be going well from this

adsl info --stats
adsl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason:    0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 12442 Kbps, Downstream rate = 45325 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 9999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 38313 Kbps

Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        6.1             8.5
Attn(dB):        22.1            0.0
Pwr(dBm):        13.2            7.2

                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           18              58
B:              51              236
M:              1               1
T:              64              23
R:              12              16
S:              0.0432          0.7543
L:              11856           2694
D:              749             1
I:              64              127
N:              64              254

                        Counters
                        Bearer 0
OHF:            20920272                890408
OHFErr:         243             3
RS:             1060530917              2913240
RSCorr:         517294          5
RSUnCorr:       6099            0

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            1390            0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    4276745705              0
Data Cells:     377587818               0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             42              3
SES:            0               0
UAS:            30              30
AS:             58055

                        Bearer 0
INP:            3.00            0.00
INPRein:        0.00            0.00
delay:          8               0
PER:            2.77            8.70
OR:             69.19           58.79
AgR:            38382.07        10057.90

Bitswap:        2092/2092               44/44

To this in a week   ;D

adsl info --stats
adsl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason:    1
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 11671 Kbps, Downstream rate = 58524 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 9999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 54999 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        3.8             7.8
Attn(dB):        21.7            0.0
Pwr(dBm):        13.5            7.1

                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           -6              58
B:              227             236
M:              1               1
T:              0               23
R:              12              16
S:              0.1319          0.7543
L:              14562           2694
D:              4               1
I:              240             127
N:              240             254
Q:              4               0
V:              0               0
RxQueue:                132             0
TxQueue:                33              0
G.INP Framing:          18              0
G.INP lookback:         31              0
RRC bits:               0               24
                        Bearer 1
MSGc:           122             -6
B:              0               0
M:              2               0
T:              2               0
R:              16              0
S:              8.0000          0.0000
L:              32              0
D:              1               0
I:              32              0
N:              32              0
Q:              0               0
V:              0               0
RxQueue:                0               0
TxQueue:                0               0
G.INP Framing:          0               0
G.INP lookback:         0               0
RRC bits:               0               0

                        Counters
                        Bearer 0
OHF:            0               197859
OHFErr:         0               0
RS:             558757728               3579236
RSCorr:         10544           0
RSUnCorr:       0               0
                        Bearer 1
OHF:            1151190         0
OHFErr:         0               0
RS:             9209027         0
RSCorr:         11              0
RSUnCorr:       0               0

                        Retransmit Counters
rtx_tx:         68215           0
rtx_c:          4866            0
rtx_uc:         72389           0

                        G.INP Counters
LEFTRS:         13              0
minEFTR:        55003           0
errFreeBits:    62196342                0

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    1955750549              0
Data Cells:     4661441         0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

                        Bearer 1
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    0               0
Data Cells:     0               0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             14              0
SES:            11              0
UAS:            71              60
AS:             18494

                        Bearer 0
INP:            51.00           0.00
INPRein:        1.00            0.00
delay:          0               0
PER:            0.00            8.70
OR:             0.01            58.79
AgR:            55120.28        10057.90

                        Bearer 1
INP:            2.00            0.00
INPRein:        2.00            0.00
delay:          0               0
PER:            16.06           0.01
OR:             63.75           0.01
AgR:            63.75   0.01

Bitswap:        3736/3736               3/3
Title: Re: New BT Line
Post by: tiffy on December 06, 2019, 10:35:26 AM
Will be even better if /when your line DS G.Inp, ReTx profile changes to low:

Quote
  Bearer 0
INP:            51.00           0.00
INPRein:        1.00            0.00
delay:          0               0
PER:            0.00            8.70
OR:             0.01            58.79
AgR:            55120.28        10057.90

INPRein = 1, ReTx high profile
INPRein = 0, ReTx low profile  (from observation INP is usually < 50 on ReTx low also)

DLM should eventually intervene, line performance permitting, and change to low ReTx profile, if this is not the case there is a lot of information in various posts outlining how DLM can be "encouraged" to implement the change.