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Broadband Related => Broadband Technology => Topic started by: Alex Atkin UK on August 09, 2019, 01:50:53 AM

Title: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on August 09, 2019, 01:50:53 AM
So it appears my exhange is in the next batch of Fibre First rollouts which is potentially exciting but I will assume they will ignore my area, as Virgin did (which gives Openreach very little incentive unless 5G rolls out here), for now.

I'm on the largest exchange in Sheffield so it seems unlikely they are going to do the entire catchment area as its huge, although it would be pretty sweet if they did and a large chunk of it does have FTTC already so the fibre nodes are already there.

Does anyone know how this has worked previously?  Is there a typical pattern to how they decide where to cover, other than businesses?

My estimate for FTTPoD was insane, considering if the ducting is clear it should be a relatively easy run from the nearest node.  (although I don't actually know where that is, any clues?)
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: j0hn on August 09, 2019, 01:13:18 PM
No clues to the position of the Aggregation Node. Your FTTPoD quote should have given an indication of the distance from it though.

An Aggregation Node will usually serve 3 or 4 FTTC cabinets and can cover around 1400 homes for FTTP.

Usually the Agg Node is next 1 of the the FTTC cabinets it serves but can also be inbetween 2 of them.

Fibre First is rolled out on an exchange by exchange basis but you are correct that they won't cover every property on the exchange.
They will do a large majority that they can reach though.

Any idea why Virgin skipped your street? Any unique about it to surrounding streets?
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: CarlT on August 09, 2019, 06:04:51 PM
Sheffield Council resurfaced a bunch of footpaths as part of their tree destruction programme. They refused to allow VM to dig these areas so much of Sheffield was missed during the recent rollout.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on August 10, 2019, 11:57:01 AM
My area it was more that it got left out after Telewest took over Yorkshire Cable and ceased all expansion.  Then they finally started the other end of my road and it stopped again when they re-structured to Virgin Media.

Also I believe they ARE allowed to dig up the new pavements/roads, they just have to then pay to resurface the whole thing again which is likely too expensive to be worth their while.  Although its not like SCC are even enforcing this rule, plenty of cases where the new surface has channels dug out of it.  Plus Virgin may have a case anyway as in lots of places Amey have covered their junction points in the pavement with spray on tarmac.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Ronski on August 10, 2019, 01:30:00 PM
It doesn't show up on the fibre first map yet, otherwise you can see what area's they are planning to cover, although doesn't mean they will do all properties in that are.

https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/fibre-first

Select any area from the drop down and then they are seem to appear on the map.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on August 10, 2019, 11:01:45 PM
I'm on an ECI cabinet which may also be another reason they targeted this exchange and actually be in my favour here.

I also can't find it now, but I think my FTTPoD quote said I was 400m from the node.  The only thing which goes against them doing here is the lack of competition from Virgin, but I do see a few MiFi connections in the area so with the chance of 5G making it even more viable, I can see why that may also make them consider it a viable area.

Plus when I had my second line fitted the engineer took to hook about half an hour to hook it up, which makes me wonder if there's an issue finding decent pairs as surely it shouldn't take that long.

A lot of speculation I know, just trying to remain optimistic as I'd definitely be in favour of going Gigabit and calling it a day (though not at current pricing, 330Mbit will do).  No more wondering if the sync rate is going to drop again.  I've already lost 3Mbit off my main line over the last few months, and 1Mbit off my second just this morning.

Also with climate change, I'd kinda like one less way for lightening to blow things up.  Our chimney got hit once and despite being several feet away from the line the capacitive coupling blew up the modem, router and every NIC.  (granted that was BNC networking days so it had a direct path across to every PC)  That was mighty impressive though as it was an actual modem back then so it managed to surge from the phone line to the serial port, blew the IO chip and out the PCI NIC.  Its fascinating and scary how far a surge can go, and perhaps more fascinating that my line worked so well for VDSL after that kind of abuse.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on October 14, 2019, 02:16:31 PM
Curious, this expansion pod has appeared on my cabinet.

(https://csdprojects.co.uk/forums/Intake%20Cabinet%2012.jpg)
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: j0hn on October 14, 2019, 03:46:46 PM
That's a G.Fast pod.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on October 14, 2019, 04:07:07 PM
That's a G.Fast pod.

That's what I was thinking, not exactly "Fibre-First" now is it!

I guess it might mean my street ISN'T getting FTTP which would kinda suck, although better than being stuck with the ECI cabinet next to this.

I wonder if they are thinking they could move some people onto G.FAST and others onto FTTP and remove the ECI cabinet entirely?
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: j0hn on October 14, 2019, 04:32:25 PM
Unrelated to Fibre First.

G.Fast in Sheffield was announced in 2018 long before Fibre First.

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I wonder if they are thinking they could move some people onto G.FAST and others onto FTTP and remove the ECI cabinet entirely?

They can't run G.Fast without the ECI cabinet so that isn't possible either. It uses the DSLAMs power supply.
The ECI cabinet isn't going anywhere.

As mentioned in other threads Fibre First will not cover the whole of Sheffield.
Specific areas, on an exchange by exchange basis.

There's huge chunks of Edinburgh that were covered with G.Fast then later Fibre First came along.

Some properties can get 80Mb FTTC, 330Mb G.Fast and 330Mb FTTP.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on October 14, 2019, 10:15:21 PM
My exchange was NOT on the list to get G.Fast but IS on the list to have work start on Fibre First by the end of this month.  The timing is very suspect.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: j0hn on October 15, 2019, 01:49:20 AM
Initial G.Fast exchanges in Sheffield.

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Locations in Sheffield set to benefit include parts of the following wards: Broomhill & Sharrow Vale, Burngreave, City Ward, Crookes & Crosspool, Fulwood, Hillsborough, Manor Castle, Nether Edge & Sharrow, Park & Arbourthorne and Walkley

If your exchange isn't on that list that's not unusual.

Fibre First is FTTP only.

Sheffield was announced to get G.Fast 18 months ago and while they have scaled back their coverage targets significantly they still have more to deploy than the announced exchanges to meet targets.

I've seen OpenReach roll out G.Fast to an area then months later blanket cover it with FTTP.
They did this on multiple cabinets on multiple exchanges in Edinburgh, which is in the same situation as Sheffield.

It seems the 2 rollouts are completely uncoordinated and I wouldn't be surprised if there was no correlation between the the G.Fast pod and Fibre First.

Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on October 15, 2019, 10:56:43 PM
Initial G.Fast exchanges in Sheffield.

If your exchange isn't on that list that's not unusual.

Fibre First is FTTP only.

Sheffield was announced to get G.Fast 18 months ago and while they have scaled back their coverage targets significantly they still have more to deploy than the announced exchanges to meet targets.

I've seen OpenReach roll out G.Fast to an area then months later blanket cover it with FTTP.
They did this on multiple cabinets on multiple exchanges in Edinburgh, which is in the same situation as Sheffield.

It seems the 2 rollouts are completely uncoordinated and I wouldn't be surprised if there was no correlation between the the G.Fast pod and Fibre First.

Quite a bizarre way to work as in theory they could end up enabling FTTP BEFORE G.fast has even gone live, which makes no sense.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Ronski on October 16, 2019, 06:11:02 AM
We're supposed to be fibre first with the fttp work currently in progress yet yesterday I spotted a second fttc cabinet being installed.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Black Sheep on October 16, 2019, 07:16:02 AM
We're supposed to be fibre first with the fttp work currently in progress yet yesterday I spotted a second fttc cabinet being installed.

There are considerations to be taken in when planning a fibre PON, one of which is the head-end capacity and the amount of fibres available between there and 'Fibre Agg'.

Finances will dictate whether a new spine cable be blown in, or the alternative solution is to utilise the X2 FTTC Cab, basically making that the new head-end.

It's not simply as cut & dried as that, but in nutshell that new Cab could be part of the solution I mention above ??. TBH, the X2 solution is more likely to be used in far-reaching rural premises, but is an option nontheless regardless of geography. :-)

Just for info really.



 
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Ronski on October 16, 2019, 10:26:01 AM
Thanks for the reply BS, the cabinet in question is NDRAM2, which is very close to the Ramsgate exchange. Many eci cabs round here now have Huawei twins.

I've also seen a roadworks notice by BT Openreach for the sighting of a welfare unit near our estate (which is DIG) for the next six months, I can only think this is for the fttp install, VM had one there when they did their install.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on October 25, 2019, 11:55:38 PM
Apparently my exchange IS ECI hell. https://www.telecom-tariffs.co.uk/codelook.htm?xid=40178&cabinets=12666
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: SlimJ on October 30, 2019, 05:28:32 PM
I've also seen a roadworks notice by BT Openreach for the sighting of a welfare unit near our estate (which is DIG) for the next six months, I can only think this is for the fttp install, VM had one there when they did their install.

Are you seeing much progress for FTTP rollout in Ramsgate yet Ronski?  I regularly check Roadworks.org but don't really see much sign of any progress yet - just wondering when it's all going to kick off!

I do note Woodchurch in Manston, and Plucks Gutter (both off Minster Ramsgate exchange) have been lit up for FTTP.  The overhead fibre runs straight past my DP (with a Track Joint on the same pole) in Monkton as it goes down to Plucks Gutter - you'd have thought they would have enabled our little area of 15 properties... but naaaah (we all get around 20-25mbit down), bit short sighted if you ask me!! :(
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Ronski on October 30, 2019, 07:05:26 PM
I look on the new roadworks site but the only thing I've seen is for the sighting of the welfare unit behind Tesco's extra. That must be annoying have the fibre run straight past.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on November 11, 2019, 06:03:52 PM
Seems it might not be g.fast after all:
https://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/8589-40-more-exchanges-with-some-g-fast-coverage
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Another new development is that some cabinets are seeing VDSL2 side pods appear on the green PCP cabinet and these VDSL2 sidepods are almost visually identical to the G.fast pods. So if you do see a side pod appear it may not be for G.fast but to allow for ports of VDSL2 capacity.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Bowdon on November 11, 2019, 07:13:35 PM
I noticed my exchange is on that list. I know the g.fast pod went on the the cabinet a while back and I'm outside of the range.

What I don't understand is why OR are adding all these g.fast pods on to old technology that is going to be replaced by full fibre in the relative near future? Wouldn't it have been better to just tweak vdsl profiles or would that have required a physical upgrade too?
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Bald_Eagle1 on November 12, 2019, 06:13:32 PM
Hi All,

Is this at all related to City Fibre?

I have been absent for quite some time & I have lost touch with any more recent developments.

City Fibre have vey recently installed some cabling/fibre into a chamber directly outside my house, but all they could/would  tell me was that it is supposed to be able to provide 'super fast' broadband speeds,

Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Ronski on November 12, 2019, 08:41:59 PM
Fibre First is an Openreach initiative for installing FTTP, yes they finally seem to have accepted FTTP is the way to go  :)

If you go to this page https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/fibre-first and scroll there is a map where you can select your nearest city, note it doesn't matter what city you select as selecting any city seems to populate the whole map and then it's just a case of zooming in to where you want to look.

City Fibre is also installing lots of true FTTP in what they call Gigabit Cities (https://www.cityfibre.com/gigabit-cities/), as are various other companies now.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on December 07, 2019, 01:47:11 PM
Well THIS is promising, the checker has updated:

Good news – we’ll be upgrading your area to Full Fibre (Fibre to the Premises - FTTP) soon.

I mean granted "soon" in Openreach speak could be over a year, but it does seem to suggest my street is planned to be included.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Ronski on December 07, 2019, 06:15:26 PM
Alex, is that the BT Wholesale checker or the link I posted above?
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on December 07, 2019, 08:39:07 PM
The one above.