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Title: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on August 09, 2019, 01:50:53 AM
So it appears my exhange is in the next batch of Fibre First rollouts which is potentially exciting but I will assume they will ignore my area, as Virgin did (which gives Openreach very little incentive unless 5G rolls out here), for now.

I'm on the largest exchange in Sheffield so it seems unlikely they are going to do the entire catchment area as its huge, although it would be pretty sweet if they did and a large chunk of it does have FTTC already so the fibre nodes are already there.

Does anyone know how this has worked previously?  Is there a typical pattern to how they decide where to cover, other than businesses?

My estimate for FTTPoD was insane, considering if the ducting is clear it should be a relatively easy run from the nearest node.  (although I don't actually know where that is, any clues?)
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: j0hn on August 09, 2019, 01:13:18 PM
No clues to the position of the Aggregation Node. Your FTTPoD quote should have given an indication of the distance from it though.

An Aggregation Node will usually serve 3 or 4 FTTC cabinets and can cover around 1400 homes for FTTP.

Usually the Agg Node is next 1 of the the FTTC cabinets it serves but can also be inbetween 2 of them.

Fibre First is rolled out on an exchange by exchange basis but you are correct that they won't cover every property on the exchange.
They will do a large majority that they can reach though.

Any idea why Virgin skipped your street? Any unique about it to surrounding streets?
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: CarlT on August 09, 2019, 06:04:51 PM
Sheffield Council resurfaced a bunch of footpaths as part of their tree destruction programme. They refused to allow VM to dig these areas so much of Sheffield was missed during the recent rollout.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on August 10, 2019, 11:57:01 AM
My area it was more that it got left out after Telewest took over Yorkshire Cable and ceased all expansion.  Then they finally started the other end of my road and it stopped again when they re-structured to Virgin Media.

Also I believe they ARE allowed to dig up the new pavements/roads, they just have to then pay to resurface the whole thing again which is likely too expensive to be worth their while.  Although its not like SCC are even enforcing this rule, plenty of cases where the new surface has channels dug out of it.  Plus Virgin may have a case anyway as in lots of places Amey have covered their junction points in the pavement with spray on tarmac.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Ronski on August 10, 2019, 01:30:00 PM
It doesn't show up on the fibre first map yet, otherwise you can see what area's they are planning to cover, although doesn't mean they will do all properties in that are.

https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/fibre-first

Select any area from the drop down and then they are seem to appear on the map.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on August 10, 2019, 11:01:45 PM
I'm on an ECI cabinet which may also be another reason they targeted this exchange and actually be in my favour here.

I also can't find it now, but I think my FTTPoD quote said I was 400m from the node.  The only thing which goes against them doing here is the lack of competition from Virgin, but I do see a few MiFi connections in the area so with the chance of 5G making it even more viable, I can see why that may also make them consider it a viable area.

Plus when I had my second line fitted the engineer took to hook about half an hour to hook it up, which makes me wonder if there's an issue finding decent pairs as surely it shouldn't take that long.

A lot of speculation I know, just trying to remain optimistic as I'd definitely be in favour of going Gigabit and calling it a day (though not at current pricing, 330Mbit will do).  No more wondering if the sync rate is going to drop again.  I've already lost 3Mbit off my main line over the last few months, and 1Mbit off my second just this morning.

Also with climate change, I'd kinda like one less way for lightening to blow things up.  Our chimney got hit once and despite being several feet away from the line the capacitive coupling blew up the modem, router and every NIC.  (granted that was BNC networking days so it had a direct path across to every PC)  That was mighty impressive though as it was an actual modem back then so it managed to surge from the phone line to the serial port, blew the IO chip and out the PCI NIC.  Its fascinating and scary how far a surge can go, and perhaps more fascinating that my line worked so well for VDSL after that kind of abuse.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on October 14, 2019, 02:16:31 PM
Curious, this expansion pod has appeared on my cabinet.

(https://csdprojects.co.uk/forums/Intake%20Cabinet%2012.jpg)
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: j0hn on October 14, 2019, 03:46:46 PM
That's a G.Fast pod.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on October 14, 2019, 04:07:07 PM
That's a G.Fast pod.

That's what I was thinking, not exactly "Fibre-First" now is it!

I guess it might mean my street ISN'T getting FTTP which would kinda suck, although better than being stuck with the ECI cabinet next to this.

I wonder if they are thinking they could move some people onto G.FAST and others onto FTTP and remove the ECI cabinet entirely?
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: j0hn on October 14, 2019, 04:32:25 PM
Unrelated to Fibre First.

G.Fast in Sheffield was announced in 2018 long before Fibre First.

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I wonder if they are thinking they could move some people onto G.FAST and others onto FTTP and remove the ECI cabinet entirely?

They can't run G.Fast without the ECI cabinet so that isn't possible either. It uses the DSLAMs power supply.
The ECI cabinet isn't going anywhere.

As mentioned in other threads Fibre First will not cover the whole of Sheffield.
Specific areas, on an exchange by exchange basis.

There's huge chunks of Edinburgh that were covered with G.Fast then later Fibre First came along.

Some properties can get 80Mb FTTC, 330Mb G.Fast and 330Mb FTTP.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on October 14, 2019, 10:15:21 PM
My exchange was NOT on the list to get G.Fast but IS on the list to have work start on Fibre First by the end of this month.  The timing is very suspect.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: j0hn on October 15, 2019, 01:49:20 AM
Initial G.Fast exchanges in Sheffield.

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Locations in Sheffield set to benefit include parts of the following wards: Broomhill & Sharrow Vale, Burngreave, City Ward, Crookes & Crosspool, Fulwood, Hillsborough, Manor Castle, Nether Edge & Sharrow, Park & Arbourthorne and Walkley

If your exchange isn't on that list that's not unusual.

Fibre First is FTTP only.

Sheffield was announced to get G.Fast 18 months ago and while they have scaled back their coverage targets significantly they still have more to deploy than the announced exchanges to meet targets.

I've seen OpenReach roll out G.Fast to an area then months later blanket cover it with FTTP.
They did this on multiple cabinets on multiple exchanges in Edinburgh, which is in the same situation as Sheffield.

It seems the 2 rollouts are completely uncoordinated and I wouldn't be surprised if there was no correlation between the the G.Fast pod and Fibre First.

Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on October 15, 2019, 10:56:43 PM
Initial G.Fast exchanges in Sheffield.

If your exchange isn't on that list that's not unusual.

Fibre First is FTTP only.

Sheffield was announced to get G.Fast 18 months ago and while they have scaled back their coverage targets significantly they still have more to deploy than the announced exchanges to meet targets.

I've seen OpenReach roll out G.Fast to an area then months later blanket cover it with FTTP.
They did this on multiple cabinets on multiple exchanges in Edinburgh, which is in the same situation as Sheffield.

It seems the 2 rollouts are completely uncoordinated and I wouldn't be surprised if there was no correlation between the the G.Fast pod and Fibre First.

Quite a bizarre way to work as in theory they could end up enabling FTTP BEFORE G.fast has even gone live, which makes no sense.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Ronski on October 16, 2019, 06:11:02 AM
We're supposed to be fibre first with the fttp work currently in progress yet yesterday I spotted a second fttc cabinet being installed.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Black Sheep on October 16, 2019, 07:16:02 AM
We're supposed to be fibre first with the fttp work currently in progress yet yesterday I spotted a second fttc cabinet being installed.

There are considerations to be taken in when planning a fibre PON, one of which is the head-end capacity and the amount of fibres available between there and 'Fibre Agg'.

Finances will dictate whether a new spine cable be blown in, or the alternative solution is to utilise the X2 FTTC Cab, basically making that the new head-end.

It's not simply as cut & dried as that, but in nutshell that new Cab could be part of the solution I mention above ??. TBH, the X2 solution is more likely to be used in far-reaching rural premises, but is an option nontheless regardless of geography. :-)

Just for info really.



 
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Ronski on October 16, 2019, 10:26:01 AM
Thanks for the reply BS, the cabinet in question is NDRAM2, which is very close to the Ramsgate exchange. Many eci cabs round here now have Huawei twins.

I've also seen a roadworks notice by BT Openreach for the sighting of a welfare unit near our estate (which is DIG) for the next six months, I can only think this is for the fttp install, VM had one there when they did their install.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on October 25, 2019, 11:55:38 PM
Apparently my exchange IS ECI hell. https://www.telecom-tariffs.co.uk/codelook.htm?xid=40178&cabinets=12666
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: SlimJ on October 30, 2019, 05:28:32 PM
I've also seen a roadworks notice by BT Openreach for the sighting of a welfare unit near our estate (which is DIG) for the next six months, I can only think this is for the fttp install, VM had one there when they did their install.

Are you seeing much progress for FTTP rollout in Ramsgate yet Ronski?  I regularly check Roadworks.org but don't really see much sign of any progress yet - just wondering when it's all going to kick off!

I do note Woodchurch in Manston, and Plucks Gutter (both off Minster Ramsgate exchange) have been lit up for FTTP.  The overhead fibre runs straight past my DP (with a Track Joint on the same pole) in Monkton as it goes down to Plucks Gutter - you'd have thought they would have enabled our little area of 15 properties... but naaaah (we all get around 20-25mbit down), bit short sighted if you ask me!! :(
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Ronski on October 30, 2019, 07:05:26 PM
I look on the new roadworks site but the only thing I've seen is for the sighting of the welfare unit behind Tesco's extra. That must be annoying have the fibre run straight past.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on November 11, 2019, 06:03:52 PM
Seems it might not be g.fast after all:
https://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/8589-40-more-exchanges-with-some-g-fast-coverage
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Another new development is that some cabinets are seeing VDSL2 side pods appear on the green PCP cabinet and these VDSL2 sidepods are almost visually identical to the G.fast pods. So if you do see a side pod appear it may not be for G.fast but to allow for ports of VDSL2 capacity.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Bowdon on November 11, 2019, 07:13:35 PM
I noticed my exchange is on that list. I know the g.fast pod went on the the cabinet a while back and I'm outside of the range.

What I don't understand is why OR are adding all these g.fast pods on to old technology that is going to be replaced by full fibre in the relative near future? Wouldn't it have been better to just tweak vdsl profiles or would that have required a physical upgrade too?
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Bald_Eagle1 on November 12, 2019, 06:13:32 PM
Hi All,

Is this at all related to City Fibre?

I have been absent for quite some time & I have lost touch with any more recent developments.

City Fibre have vey recently installed some cabling/fibre into a chamber directly outside my house, but all they could/would  tell me was that it is supposed to be able to provide 'super fast' broadband speeds,

Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Ronski on November 12, 2019, 08:41:59 PM
Fibre First is an Openreach initiative for installing FTTP, yes they finally seem to have accepted FTTP is the way to go  :)

If you go to this page https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/fibre-first and scroll there is a map where you can select your nearest city, note it doesn't matter what city you select as selecting any city seems to populate the whole map and then it's just a case of zooming in to where you want to look.

City Fibre is also installing lots of true FTTP in what they call Gigabit Cities (https://www.cityfibre.com/gigabit-cities/), as are various other companies now.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on December 07, 2019, 01:47:11 PM
Well THIS is promising, the checker has updated:

Good news – we’ll be upgrading your area to Full Fibre (Fibre to the Premises - FTTP) soon.

I mean granted "soon" in Openreach speak could be over a year, but it does seem to suggest my street is planned to be included.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Ronski on December 07, 2019, 06:15:26 PM
Alex, is that the BT Wholesale checker or the link I posted above?
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on December 07, 2019, 08:39:07 PM
The one above.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Black Sheep on December 19, 2019, 02:05:17 PM
Well THIS is promising, the checker has updated:

Good news – we’ll be upgrading your area to Full Fibre (Fibre to the Premises - FTTP) soon.

I mean granted "soon" in Openreach speak could be over a year, but it does seem to suggest my street is planned to be included.

In my experience, from identifying an area (usually 120 dwellings or less per PON), to being ready to 'customer ready' .... takes around 2 months.

Most of the work you won't see (such as the planning stages), but once you start to see the guys on-site 'Test rodding' between work-points to identify free ducts, or whether civils are required, the process will generally take 3-4 weeks.

   
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: j0hn on December 19, 2019, 02:23:21 PM
Your area isn't the norm that I see BS.

At least 9-12 months was more the norm for fibre first in Edinburgh.
Some of the Fibre First exchange areas they are finishing in Edinburgh right now were announced some 18 months ago and aren't all going to be finished in the next couple months.

Don't think I've ever seen any area live 2 months after being announced/showing as FTTP coming on the checker.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on December 20, 2019, 02:00:20 AM
In my experience, from identifying an area (usually 120 dwellings or less per PON), to being ready to 'customer ready' .... takes around 2 months.

Most of the work you won't see (such as the planning stages), but once you start to see the guys on-site 'Test rodding' between work-points to identify free ducts, or whether civils are required, the process will generally take 3-4 weeks.

Well the original announcement at the end of July was "starting in the next three months".
Three months had already passed BEFORE they updated the map to say "starting in the next three months".  :-\

Now granted they aren't the best at keeping things up-to-date, but it certainly doesn't appear like they started yet.  There is nothing on one.network to suggest any roadworks, although presumably that won't happen until they have done extensive rodding to determine which areas need blockages clearing, etc.

To be fair, if this all lines up with being ready just after the new pricing tiers come in, that could be pretty sweet.  Although I'm about 2KM from the exchange, so not sure if/how that impacts the time scale.  I'm certainly not the furthest away, I believe my exchange is the largest in Sheffield, presumably why it was chosen.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Black Sheep on December 20, 2019, 12:57:33 PM
Your area isn't the norm that I see BS.

At least 9-12 months was more the norm for fibre first in Edinburgh.
Some of the Fibre First exchange areas they are finishing in Edinburgh right now were announced some 18 months ago and aren't all going to be finished in the next couple months.

Don't think I've ever seen any area live 2 months after being announced/showing as FTTP coming on the checker.

I have no idea whether terminology of these roll-outs differs .... but being part of the 'Fibre Cities' programme personally, my post still stands as far as my experience goes, j0hn.

Again, the site-checkers that you or members of Joe Public see, will be different from what I see.

From the original blue-print to fully commissioned it takes approx. 2-3 months for each PON (around 120 premises).
Yes, of course there's always grey areas, there always are .... such as MDU's (Multiple Dwelling Units), where the rules and regs (and wayleaves) change .... but on the whole .... !!

Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Black Sheep on December 20, 2019, 01:01:00 PM
Alex .... I hear you and understand your issue .... but I don't have any involvement in public trackers, sites, estimators etc .... I just know the actual 'build' side of things I'm afraid ... ie: From paper to provision.

Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on December 20, 2019, 07:14:37 PM
Alex .... I hear you and understand your issue .... but I don't have any involvement in public trackers, sites, estimators etc .... I just know the actual 'build' side of things I'm afraid ... ie: From paper to provision.

No problem, its good to know that once they actually start the physical work that its all hands on deck.  Its a large area covered, I'd imagine it will take some time and considering the time of year, weather and holidays no doubt hamper things a bit.

My exchange covers approximately 30,000 premises, so were talking ~250 PONs, at 2-3 months per PON.  Doesn't that mean you'd have to do up to 32 concurrently to get them finished in 2 years?
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Black Sheep on December 21, 2019, 12:28:28 PM
I'm not involved in the work distribution as such, but I can't argue with your figures.

We have an enormous workforce of contractors (Morrisons, Telent, Lightsource, Kelly's etc etc), that swamp the PON's with people, once they receive the estimate numbers from the planners.

Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: CarlT on December 21, 2019, 03:12:04 PM
Don't they just! They light up exchange areas with street works to replace poles, unblock ducts and get access to carriageway chambers when they start on them.

Most of an exchange gets done in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on January 02, 2020, 01:08:25 AM
Ooooh it starts, duct unblocking showing up on one.network now. :p

Why no, I don't have anything better to do than a blow by blow of how quickly they roll out Fibre.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: CarlT on January 02, 2020, 01:31:18 AM
From the original blue-print to fully commissioned it takes approx. 2-3 months for each PON (around 120 premises).
Yes, of course there's always grey areas, there always are .... such as MDU's (Multiple Dwelling Units), where the rules and regs (and wayleaves) change .... but on the whole .... !!

Please excuse my confusion but what are you calling a PON here BS?

PON usually means the area served by a single OLT port. Splitting to 128 premises is pushing optical budgets, doesn't really save that much money in the grand scheme and is potentially a bad idea when gigabit services are released and uptake increases.

Normal build specifications are up to 32 premises per PON though it can be pushed harder with higher power optics.

If the entire new build estate I will be living on is covered by a single port that port is in for some congestion come April  :lol:
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Black Sheep on January 02, 2020, 07:38:08 AM
That is exactly what I mean by PON, too.

However, with a few tweaks. (You mention two figures for PON ... 128 and 32).

The regs around planning for a PON, or 'Spliiter Node' if you prefer, is 120 THP (Total homes passed). Each SASA is planned for 30 THP, but there is capacity for 32 as you say .... however, that requires managers authorisation to add one further THP, and his managers approval to take the last one ... so most jobs are planned to the 30 THP.

Yes, there are different power optics such as B+ or C+, but these are optimised based on distance rather than THP.  :)
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: CarlT on January 02, 2020, 11:39:06 AM
That makes perfect sense and my neighbours on the all FTTP estate will be happy. You need a couple of ports spare just in case one goes bad.

Thank you, Sir!
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Ronski on January 02, 2020, 01:25:05 PM
Looks like things are happening in Ramsgate as well, lots of roadworks scheduled to clear ducts for spine cabling, even mentions PON.

Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on January 03, 2020, 01:30:04 AM
Another one popped up today even closer to me, looks like they are working their way furthest away from the exchange inwards.

You honestly wouldn't expect so many blockages considering these must have been cleared when FTTC was put in, but I guess with all that rain we have had, land shifting is inevitable.

At least it shouldn't be like when Digital Region rolled out, they got delayed months due to hitting hard rock laying their ducting and needing to order specialised cutters.  Still sad that network was so badly managed its just left to rot now.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: CarlT on January 03, 2020, 10:38:59 AM
A reminder that the 'spine' cable only had to go to cabinets for FTTC, ducts were cleared to aggregation nodes then they just needed to find paths to each PCP. Now they're having to deploy higher fibre count cables and the spine is going much deeper in.

To feed the cabinets that serve this address they had to take a different duct route from the most direct one. Wouldn't be surprised if there were a fair amount of workarounds and use of very small sub-duct.

An awful lot more unblocking of ducts to come: wait until they start on the access section feeding the chambers that in turn feed individual properties.  ;)
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on January 04, 2020, 09:04:12 PM
Does Traffic Management Only suggest areas they are blowing fibre?  I'd imagine if they are using those trailers with large spools it would make sense.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: CarlT on January 05, 2020, 03:23:34 PM
It can mean that they need to install traffic lights at roads that aren't being worked on in order to control traffic flow. The traffic management may be related to another item of work within the carriageway nearby.

Much of the time blowing fibre through carriageway chambers would be marked as safe access to underground structures.

Using big trailers with big spools of fibre for footway chambers would be something they'd try to avoid to avoid having to pay permit / roadworks fees.

However you probably know this area better than I do. If there's not enough room on pavement/verge and they are deploying a big stretch of spine subduct traffic management will be required.

Either way if there're no adjacent roadworks that are excavation it is indeed install of underground infrastructure whether PON kit, fibre blowing or subduct, which is nice.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on January 05, 2020, 05:45:07 PM
Ah I think I can see what they are doing, they have traffic management on the main roads as there are several blockages in the duct along a specific road.

I really shouldn't look at these things when my vertigo is playing up, my brain clearly wasn't working as its pretty obvious they are all related to each other with overlapping dates.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: CarlT on January 06, 2020, 07:05:22 PM
Each SASA is planned for 30 THP, but there is capacity for 32 as you say .... however, that requires managers authorisation to add one further THP, and his managers approval to take the last one ... so most jobs are planned to the 30 THP.

I hadn't really thought about this before: are people aware what SASA means?

Splitter Array Sub-Assembly.

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Splitter array sub-assemblies are assemblies of trays which store and protect optical splitters whereby incoming and outgoing fibers are stored per single circuit on separate organizer trays ready for splicing into the network.

Splitter trays.

There are also SOSAs - Splice Only Sub-Assembly. I think you can gather what those are.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on January 12, 2020, 03:17:34 PM
Its all gone quiet now after that duct clearing work.  Only seeing one BT job on one.network in the area and its for repairing a cable across the road into a maisonette that they foolishly keep laying loose in the grass (its buried, but just barely).

Site still says "to start in next 3 months", despite it now approaching five and a half months since that was initially the goal on the Fibre First document.

So everything is happening as expected really.  :lol:
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on January 15, 2020, 10:34:12 AM
I'm seeing a few jobs for 1 way poly duct, is this to convert properties with direct-ground cables into FTTP ready state?

Also, why is it 1 way poly duct?  What makes it 1 way?

Interestingly the repair across the road for an in-ground cable does not mention replacing it with ducting, you'd think they would considering.  That whole side of the street is probably laid directly in the ground so going to be a fun job converting for fibre.  At least its paved not tarmac, although I suspect its laid in the grass verge.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Black Sheep on January 15, 2020, 07:47:46 PM
I'm seeing a few jobs for 1 way poly duct, is this to convert properties with direct-ground cables into FTTP ready state?

Also, why is it 1 way poly duct?  What makes it 1 way?

Interestingly the repair across the road for an in-ground cable does not mention replacing it with ducting, you'd think they would considering.  That whole side of the street is probably laid directly in the ground so going to be a fun job converting for fibre.  At least its paved not tarmac, although I suspect its laid in the grass verge.

Don't be fooled by the description (as most people do  ;D ) ....... 1-way duct is just normal duct, usually duct 54 (Google it).

I'd be surprised if they were installing this to each premises, it would usually be used in the network ... ie: between boxes, between box and DP etc .... a smaller duct such as 'Gabacom tubing' would usually be used to get from box to premises (toby boxes).

Try not to fret over what they are doing regarding the civils ... there's a lot of work goes on in the background to ensure it's the correct solution.  ;)
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on January 16, 2020, 04:10:17 AM
I know the time scale is "how long is a piece of string", as much as I'd love to get this tomorrow.

Its mostly curiosity about why these jobs are showing up where they are and what the purpose might be.  I hardly leave the house due to a random sleep pattern and anxiety, so while it might seem unhealthy to be dwelling on the details, for me its not.  If my health problems hadn't been a major barrier (funnily enough people don't like employees who run to their own timetable), I'd be working in IT, so trying to work out of the details of this sort of thing is very much what I'm interesting in.

Like I said, the other side of the road from me is ductless, at least running up to each maisonette. So it should be pretty obvious once anything interesting is happening as presumably they would have to run new duct up to each building?  I'm certainly going to notice that from the CCTV on the front door.  ::)
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on January 17, 2020, 04:32:13 PM
Well apparently the other side of the road IS ducted, had a talk with the engineer and they were replacing the wire as they had ran out of working pairs for a new line.

In other news, the Fibre First site has updated to Build in Progress.  ;D  That's something I guess.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on January 21, 2020, 06:19:17 PM
Had a walk today and realised I completely misjudged things.

All the lines on this side of the street come from the duct down the other side, which explains why I've gotten hit so hard with crosstalk over the last year or so.  It splits off to my DP at the road junction but interesting, there is no access to the duct at all this side of the road.

So I'd imagine its going to need the pavement digging up at the bottom of the pole to route the fibre up the pole?
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: burakkucat on January 21, 2020, 09:13:31 PM
. . . I'd imagine its going to need the pavement digging up at the bottom of the pole to route the fibre up the pole?

If I have a correct mental image, from your description of the situation, then that should be a quick and simple task.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on January 21, 2020, 09:30:36 PM
Depends how complex it is to get permission to dig up below the pole, but it does serve most of my side of the street.  I wonder if I will see a "build BT chamber in footway" job pop up for this?

There are maisonettes down one side that will need ducting, but those are all in earth so should be very easy.

I'm trying to convince myself that as I have two lines and said I'm interested, they will do here first. ;)  Despite the fact I'm 2KM from the exchange so probably going to take a while to reach here.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on May 28, 2020, 02:14:12 AM
After finding out INTAKE was put on hold due to unexpected difficulties (and concerned its now not listed on the Fibre First map at all), I e-mailed Openreach and was somewhat surprised at a fairly swift response from the Infrastructure Solutions Executive Level Complaints Team.

Had a call today from them and they are going to chase up with the project leader to find out what the delay is.

Also found out the plan was supposed to be to have it finished by next March, which seems awfully fast for such a large area.

Its really about having a rough time scale so I know if I should renew my FTTC contracts or not.
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 01, 2020, 11:21:38 AM
Bad news:

Quote
Good morning Alex,

Many thanks for speaking with me this morning.

As discussed, the good news is that your premise is included in the  Fibre Cities programme , however works are not due to commence until  March 2022.

This is due to the fact that extensive power and electrical services at the exchange, need to be overhauled and until this is completed we are unable to commence any FTTP build in the area.

It is at least something to look forward to in the near future.
 
Thank you for your enquiry ,  I wish you and your family well and will now arrange to close your case.

Many thanks

Kind regards

Lydia Abbs
Infrastructure Solutions Executive Level Complaints Team
Openreach.

 :-\ :no: :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: PhilipD on June 01, 2020, 11:27:32 AM
Hi

Stuff like that happens unfortunately, at least you received some indicative dates and a reason so can plan ahead with any contract renewals or other alternatives that may come your way.

Regards

Phil
Title: Re: Fibre First Rollout - Intake Exchange (Sheffield)
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on June 01, 2020, 11:28:35 AM
Contract renewals was exactly why I chased this up as no point paying full price for Plusnet if there is zero chance of FTTP in the next 18 months.