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Announcements => News Articles => Topic started by: Bowdon on July 31, 2019, 11:33:43 AM
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https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2019/07/openreach-unveil-36-new-uk-areas-for-fttp-ultrafast-broadband.html (https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2019/07/openreach-unveil-36-new-uk-areas-for-fttp-ultrafast-broadband.html)
Network access provider Openreach (BT) has today announced that their multi-billion pound “Fibre First” rollout of Gigabit capable Fibre-to-the-Premises (FTTP) broadband ISP technology will – over the next 12 months – be reaching parts of an additional 36 new locations across the UK (total now 74).
I wonder how some of the smaller places are chosen. I know both Bury and Stockport have a reputation for being wealthy areas. But I think they are mainly residential areas. So I wonder why these, and others, are chosen before other places? Is there some sort of criteria OR are using to select the areas that most fit?
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Probably areas where Virgin Media have a foot hold and BT can’t compete on their existing offerings.
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Political influence can also have an effect, the early VDSL2 rollout stunk of it. On VDSL2 wealthy Leicestershire villages got it years before the densely populated city.
Looking at the places announced in the article, the cities initially announced is likely on standard commercial criteria. On population size I believe they all large cities.
February 2018 1. Birmingham 5. Leeds 2. Bristol 6. Liverpool 3. Cardiff 7. London 4. Edinburgh 8. Manchester
But what has come after that is less clear.
The only other 2 midlands cities.
October 2018 11. Coventry
November 2018 12. Nottingham
That would appear as if someone put a map of the midlands up on the wall and threw two darts, their placings been the winners.
Coventry does have a live cityfibre rollout tho. Nottingham however does not it is planned same as Leics and Derby who are both not in openreach plans. Also note that Peterborough has live cityfibre and "not" in openreach plans.
So probably some internal metrics, or perhaps Nottingham council have paid openreach some money to help them make a decision.
Also in regards to cityfibre in my area, there is now a difference between a city centre postcode and mine on checker. (mine used to be yellow)
My postcode
GREEN Circle tickbox
Message
It looks like you’re very close to our network.
Please register your details and one of our partners will be in touch with more information on products, pricing and timescales.
City centre Postcode
YELLOW Circle tick box (suggesting not as good?)
Message
It looks like you’re not far from our network.
Please register your details below and one of our partners will be in touch soon.
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I notice areas in Thanet (Broadstairs Ramsgate Margate) are inlcuded now, just when Virgin Media have completed their installation. So now BTOR will be digging up our streets in addition to Southern Water and Southern Gas Networks!
Stuart
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So now BTOR will be digging up our streets in addition to Southern Water and Southern Gas Networks!
A few roadworks are a small price to pay for future excellent connectivity.
Currently half of my city (Coventry) is being dug up by CityFibre and the roadworks are causing traffic chaos in places, but I happily sit in these temporary jams with a smile on my face, knowing a viable cheaper, full fibre alternative to VM and OR is being installed and will be available to me soon.
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Lots of roads being dug up around the county, some roads simply closed for months on end. Usually a result of service installation, from water to gas to fibre.
I actually suspect the councils deliberately set a low bar to applications from utilities that disrupt car journeys, maybe thinking it will be environmentally beneficial, encouraging people to cycle or use public transport?
Trouble is, most non-leisure journeys are inappropriate to cycle - too far, or too much to carry. And we can’t use public transport because they’ve withdrawn the bus services (spent the budget on cycle lanes?).
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Interesting as this ISP Exascale (Telford) are planning to roll out phase 1 and phase 2 in Telford area here: https://www.exascale.co.uk/solutions/networks/full-fibre-broadband/
But hope it will roll out to my area one day (cuckoo oak area)
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I notice areas in Thanet (Broadstairs Ramsgate Margate) are inlcuded now, just when Virgin Media have completed their installation. So now BTOR will be digging up our streets in addition to Southern Water and Southern Gas Networks!
Stuart
Now I am excited, Broadstairs and Ramsgate are included and starting in the next three months - Margate isn't, select Thanet on the drop down on the map here https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/fibre-first/
As one who has to travel to work every day I'm willing to put up with the road works, possibly come renewal time next year I can get FTTP.
Do feel this is a little wrong though as we can get reliable high speed broadband already.
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OR are rolling out FTTP to areas not explicitly stated on their website. The OR who did my g.fast install last week mentioned they were upgrading a village a few miles away, but there’s no mention of that on their list of locations.
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The locations listed are only those that are part of their commercial Fibre First programme.
Any FTTP only new build sites or any BDUK (state funded) FTTP isn't listed.
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A few roadworks are a small price to pay for future excellent connectivity.
The issue here is it's not a few. Huge disruption and bus routes badly affected, been going on now for 2 years and unlikely to finish the current works cor at least 6 months more.
Stuart
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Think I found a reseller that is doing orders.
Great news, Giganet can guarantee broadband speeds of 1Gb/s for you at XXXXXXXX
Business only tho, they sell residential, but says no packages for residential.
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I just noticed giganet now says available right now at my address, and will accept an order, giganet sell residential and business services, but oddly their checker says 0 residential packages, but 12 business.
The problem with business is obviously it will be priced much higher, especially installation as cityfibre business is done akin to FTTPoD.
£249 month PLUS vat 500/500
£299 month PLUS vat 1000/1000
Both packages £50 off with promo deal.
312mbit/sec SLA on throughput
3 year contract
No install fee quoted.
They are refusing to offer their residential packages which start at £44 month for FTTP.
If this was 10 years back, maybe even 5 years back when I was obsessed with broadband spec, I probably would have paid the £300 month. Now it is probably not, my VDSL would have to have a very severe deterioration in line performance/stability for me to pay that price, I guess my priorities changed somewhat.
I feel if openreach announced the area, residential packages would perhaps magically appear, but I suspect those wont be offered without fibre infill.
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The Giganet residential products are available through Openreach, not CityFibre.
https://www.giga.net.uk/locations/
Giganet Local
Giganet Local is where we have unbundled the local Openreach exchange in the town or city. This gives us direct access to the local fibre infrastructure removing middlemen operators, ensuring faster lead times and fault resolutions. It also allows us to operate first-mover advantage to newer Openreach products such as FTTP, G.Fast and the upcoming SOGEA.
No residential products available via CityFibre besides the resellers already in Bournemouth and Vodafone elsewhere.
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The Giganet residential products are available through Openreach, not CityFibre.
https://www.giga.net.uk/locations/
No residential products available via CityFibre besides the resellers already in Bournemouth and Vodafone elsewhere.
Not available at my property only saying ADSL2+ but they will not selling it to residential. LOL
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Giganet Local is where we have unbundled the local Openreach exchange in the town or city.
Your pretty small exchange isn't going to be a priority for a small company like this. The exchange your FTTC goes through, Wellington, evidently isn't either.
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My exchange isn't Wellington but I am from Cuckoo Oak exchange in High Street Madeley, Telford
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As I said your FTTC goes through Wellington. I'm aware your exchange is Cuckoo Oak which is why I referred to it as a pretty small exchange. See attachment, fella.
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Ahh that explains things Carl, I guess the cityfibre pricing isnt viable for residential without vodafone subsidy.
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As I said your FTTC goes through Wellington. I'm aware your exchange is Cuckoo Oak which is why I referred to it as a pretty small exchange. See attachment, fella.
Interesting but thanks.
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Kinda - Vodafone aren't funding it however they are the anchor tenant just as local authorities were for the initial metro ring. They'll have committed to taking a certain amount of connections from CityFibre.
When CityFibre start building the residential network they acquire a small building to house OLTs and handle passing traffic to their customers - initially Vodafone. That infrastructure simply doesn't exist in Leicester right now and building out a PON to serve a single residential user for a few quid a month isn't feasible.
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Got email from higher level complaints to Openreach of why G.fast are very poor at my address and other address with no g.fast and here their reply:
Dear Mr ***********,
Thank you for your email to Clive Selley, Clive has asked me to look into your enquiry and to respond to you directly.
I have now checked both addresses and at the moment there are no plans to provide an upgrade to the current service provide and both the addresses. This does not mean to say that in the future this will not change. Our website on the following link will advise if things do change so please periodically check the website for any updates. https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband
Our new Prime Minister has called for “fantastic full-fibre broadband in every household” by 2025. This is a hugely ambitious, but so are we. We agree that full fibre broadband is the way to go, but building full fibre technology isn’t quick or easy. It will require 10’s of billions and a physical build to more than 30 million premises from suburban terraces to remote crofts. We are working in partnership with the Government, Regulator, our customers and local authorities and other key stake holders to continue to improve our services as fast as is possible.
I appreciate that this is not the response you were hoping. I will now arrange to have your enquiry closed.
Kind regards
R*******
R******** **********
Infrastructure Solutions Executive Level Complaints Team
Openreach
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Interesting but thanks.
If you're interested attached are the exchanges you share the goodness with.
Your cabinet is I believe Cuckoo Oak 8. This was enabled 4th February 2014 and is the first cabinet enabled on the Cuckoo Oak exchange. It has a 288 port Huawei DSLAM and passes 355 premises. It is connected to OLT BAABUQ in Telford Wellington exchange. That OLT was live as of 2nd June 2011. It actually has 50+ cabinets connecting through it - they're pretty high capacity bits of kit.
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Thanks CarlIT very useful information. Didn't aware of my exchange connected from Wellington Exchange. That's quite a long distance away. Don't mind asked you, how many FTTP is already activate in the area of Cuckoo Oak exchange?
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Only a bit of new build.
Got email from higher level complaints to Openreach of why G.fast are very poor at my address and other address with no g.fast and here their reply:
What were you hoping to achieve from this if you don't mind my asking?
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If you're interested attached are the exchanges you share the goodness with.
Your cabinet is I believe Cuckoo Oak 8. This was enabled 4th February 2014 and is the first cabinet enabled on the Cuckoo Oak exchange. It has a 288 port Huawei DSLAM and passes 355 premises. It is connected to OLT BAABUQ in Telford Wellington exchange. That OLT was live as of 2nd June 2011. It actually has 50+ cabinets connecting through it - they're pretty high capacity bits of kit.
Sorry to start this thread, Wellington must be very big exchange with lots of capacity for FTTC, G Fast and FTTP all lines from there for all exchanges in Telford. Am I correct ADSL and ADSL2+ from Cuckoo Oak not Wellington.
Openreach have not identified the Wellington Exchange as a 'FTTP Priority Exchange' and the 'Stop Sell' date will be September 2023. Does this mean my FTTC will be stopped September 2023?
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Am I correct ADSL and ADSL2+ from Cuckoo Oak not Wellington.
Correct.
Openreach have not identified the Wellington Exchange as a 'FTTP Priority Exchange' and the 'Stop Sell' date will be September 2023. Does this mean my FTTC will be stopped September 2023?
Definitely not.
Stop sells on FTTC will only effect those with FTTP.