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Broadband Related => FTTC and FTTP Issues => Topic started by: boost on January 31, 2019, 01:30:47 AM

Title: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: boost on January 31, 2019, 01:30:47 AM: Noticed my ping had increased tonight.

11ms -> 19ms

Had a peek at the modem to find I am now synched at 70 something instead of 40. Vaguely remember Sky saying I was getting upgraded several months ago and it would be cheaper. OK, cool.

Stats appear to be:

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Stats recorded 31 Jan 2019 01:27:32 DSLAM type / SW version: BDCM:0xb12d (177.45) / v0xb12d Modem/router firmware: AnnexA version - A2pv6C038m.d24j DSL mode: VDSL2 Profile 17a Status: Showtime Uptime: 0 hour 47 min 28 sec Resyncs: 0 (since 31 Jan 2019 01:23:30) Downstream Upstream Line attenuation (dB): 12.7 0.0 Signal attenuation (dB): Not monitored Connection speed (kbps): 71814 20000 SNR margin (dB): 6.3 13.2 Power (dBm): 13.3 -2.7 Interleave depth: 1196 1 INP: 3.00 0 G.INP: Not enabled Not enabled Vectoring status: 5 (VECT_UNCONFIGURED) RSCorr/RS (%): 0.0001 0.0000 RSUnCorr/RS (%): 0.0000 0.0000 ES/hour: 0 0

Interleave depth:     1196      1
INP:    3.00      0
G.INP:    Not enabled      Not enabled

I hope this is temporary? :)
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: adslmax on January 31, 2019, 08:30:43 AM: Has it been DLM resetted by Sky?
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: RealAleMadrid on January 31, 2019, 10:28:06 AM: You have been upgraded to 80/20 FTTC, this change causes a DLM reset so G.INP is removed but should come back on in a couple of days. You should then get near full (80 Mbps) download sync speed.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: boost on January 31, 2019, 05:32:10 PM: Cheers chaps.

Some more stats since I plugged dslstats in, more as a reminder to myself I guess.

Looks like I get a few (8) upstream CRCs/ES per hour. My internal wiring perhaps?

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xdslcmd info --stats xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status Status: Showtime Retrain Reason: 0 Last initialization procedure status: 0 Max: Upstream rate = 31711 Kbps, Downstream rate = 82404 Kbps Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 71814 Kbps Link Power State: L0 Mode: VDSL2 Annex B VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0) Trellis: U:ON /D:ON Line Status: No Defect Training Status: Showtime Down Up SNR (dB): 6.1 13.5 Attn(dB): 12.7 0.0 Pwr(dBm): 13.3 -2.7 VDSL2 framing Bearer 0 MSGc: 15 20 B: 60 239 M: 1 1 T: 64 64 R: 14 0 S: 0.0270 0.3819 L: 22200 5028 D: 1196 1 I: 75 120 N: 75 240 Counters Bearer 0 OHF: 46505394 1675352 OHFErr: 0 144 RS: 338954914 3079184 RSCorr: 12148 0 RSUnCorr: 0 0 Bearer 0 HEC: 0 0 OCD: 0 0 LCD: 0 0 Total Cells: 4069339151 0 Data Cells: 275554871 0 Drop Cells: 0 Bit Errors: 0 0 ES: 0 133 SES: 0 0 UAS: 22 22 AS: 60568 Bearer 0 INP: 3.00 0.00 INPRein: 0.00 0.00 delay: 8 0 PER: 1.30 6.13 OR: 128.99 33.91 AgR: 71942.97 20033.74 Bitswap: 27173/27173 42/42 Total time = 16 hours 49 min 50 sec FEC: 12148 0 CRC: 0 144 ES: 0 133 SES: 0 0 UAS: 22 22 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Latest 15 minutes time = 4 min 50 sec FEC: 315 0 CRC: 0 0 ES: 0 0 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec FEC: 379 0 CRC: 0 3 ES: 0 3 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Latest 1 day time = 16 hours 49 min 50 sec FEC: 12148 0 CRC: 0 144 ES: 0 133 SES: 0 0 UAS: 22 22 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Previous 1 day time = 0 sec FEC: 0 0 CRC: 0 0 ES: 0 0 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Since Link time = 16 hours 49 min 27 sec FEC: 12148 0 CRC: 0 144 ES: 0 133 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 #
I've also had the landline plugged in this week which is never normally attached so I guess that may have not helped. Detached since this monitoring started, though.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: adslmax on January 31, 2019, 05:41:38 PM: DLM will turn on your G.INP within next few days. Usually after 2-3 days of remain stable. You should see full 80Meg no problem.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: boost on February 04, 2019, 01:02:57 AM: 4 days since last resync. No change.

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xdslcmd info --stats xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status Status: Showtime Retrain Reason: 0 Last initialization procedure status: 0 Max: Upstream rate = 31900 Kbps, Downstream rate = 82176 Kbps Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 71814 Kbps Link Power State: L0 Mode: VDSL2 Annex B VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0) Trellis: U:ON /D:ON Line Status: No Defect Training Status: Showtime Down Up SNR (dB): 6.1 13.5 Attn(dB): 12.7 0.0 Pwr(dBm): 13.3 -2.7 VDSL2 framing Bearer 0 MSGc: 15 20 B: 60 239 M: 1 1 T: 64 64 R: 14 0 S: 0.0270 0.3819 L: 22200 5028 D: 1196 1 I: 75 120 N: 75 240 Counters Bearer 0 OHF: 266322442 1851371 OHFErr: 61 1662 RS: 3889122463 4059231 RSCorr: 154901 0 RSUnCorr: 3363 0 Bearer 0 HEC: 928 0 OCD: 10 0 LCD: 10 0 Total Cells: 655396671 0 Data Cells: 2541586608 0 Drop Cells: 0 Bit Errors: 0 0 ES: 9 1453 SES: 0 0 UAS: 22 22 AS: 346856 Bearer 0 INP: 3.00 0.00 INPRein: 0.00 0.00 delay: 8 0 PER: 1.30 6.13 OR: 128.99 33.91 AgR: 71942.97 20033.74 Bitswap: 177803/177803 244/245 Total time = 1 days 21 min 18 sec FEC: 154901 0 CRC: 61 1662 ES: 9 1453 SES: 0 0 UAS: 22 22 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Latest 15 minutes time = 6 min 18 sec FEC: 0 0 CRC: 0 1 ES: 0 1 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec FEC: 667 0 CRC: 0 2 ES: 0 2 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Latest 1 day time = 21 min 18 sec FEC: 667 0 CRC: 0 3 ES: 0 3 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec FEC: 37990 0 CRC: 41 323 ES: 5 292 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Since Link time = 4 days 20 min 55 sec FEC: 154901 0 CRC: 61 1662 ES: 9 1453 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 #
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: boost on February 04, 2019, 02:00:32 AM: Resync. No difference.

Resync capped. Worse? :P

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xdslcmd info --stats xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status Status: Showtime Retrain Reason: 0 Last initialization procedure status: 0 Max: Upstream rate = 31771 Kbps, Downstream rate = 83140 Kbps Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 14997 Kbps, Downstream rate = 59993 Kbps Link Power State: L0 Mode: VDSL2 Annex B VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0) Trellis: U:ON /D:ON Line Status: No Defect Training Status: Showtime Down Up SNR (dB): 9.3 16.4 Attn(dB): 12.7 0.0 Pwr(dBm): 13.3 -2.9 VDSL2 framing Bearer 0 MSGc: 14 29 B: 47 31 M: 1 1 T: 64 64 R: 14 2 S: 0.0255 0.0678 L: 19480 4009 D: 1273 1 I: 62 34 N: 62 34 Counters Bearer 0 OHF: 494513 106484 OHFErr: 0 0 RS: 126440281 451723 RSCorr: 1 0 RSUnCorr: 0 0 Bearer 0 HEC: 0 0 OCD: 0 0 LCD: 0 0 Total Cells: 93252937 0 Data Cells: 2246053 0 Drop Cells: 0 Bit Errors: 0 0 ES: 0 2 SES: 0 0 UAS: 53 53 AS: 810 Bearer 0 INP: 3.50 0.00 INPRein: 0.00 0.00 delay: 8 0 PER: 1.63 7.62 OR: 97.80 36.70 AgR: 60090.43 15033.97 Bitswap: 179/179 0/0 Total time = 36 min 54 sec FEC: 122 0 CRC: 0 2 ES: 0 2 SES: 0 0 UAS: 53 53 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Latest 15 minutes time = 6 min 54 sec FEC: 0 0 CRC: 0 0 ES: 0 0 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec FEC: 122 0 CRC: 0 1 ES: 0 1 SES: 0 0 UAS: 30 30 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Latest 1 day time = 36 min 54 sec FEC: 122 0 CRC: 0 2 ES: 0 2 SES: 0 0 UAS: 53 53 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Previous 1 day time = 0 sec FEC: 0 0 CRC: 0 0 ES: 0 0 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Since Link time = 13 min 29 sec FEC: 1 0 CRC: 0 0 ES: 0 0 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 #
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: boost on February 04, 2019, 02:04:59 AM: I'm guessing this is not going to have any immediate effect. Kinda annoying. I also changed the power source tonight (removed it from a shared bank).

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xdslcmd info --stats xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status Status: Showtime Retrain Reason: 0 Last initialization procedure status: 0 Max: Upstream rate = 31636 Kbps, Downstream rate = 82912 Kbps Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 10997 Kbps, Downstream rate = 47993 Kbps Link Power State: L0 Mode: VDSL2 Annex B VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0) Trellis: U:ON /D:ON Line Status: No Defect Training Status: Showtime Down Up SNR (dB): 13.3 19.2 Attn(dB): 12.7 0.0 Pwr(dBm): 13.2 -2.8 VDSL2 framing Bearer 0 MSGc: 18 36 B: 31 31 M: 1 1 T: 64 64 R: 10 2 S: 0.0212 0.0925 L: 15840 2941 D: 1537 1 I: 42 34 N: 42 34 Counters Bearer 0 OHF: 43531 8597 OHFErr: 0 0 RS: 16529700 3850547 RSCorr: 0 0 RSUnCorr: 0 0 Bearer 0 HEC: 0 0 OCD: 0 0 LCD: 0 0 Total Cells: 8184553 0 Data Cells: 1207 0 Drop Cells: 0 Bit Errors: 0 0 ES: 0 2 SES: 0 0 UAS: 84 84 AS: 89 Bearer 0 INP: 3.50 0.00 INPRein: 0.00 0.00 delay: 8 0 PER: 2.04 10.39 OR: 93.91 32.31 AgR: 48086.44 11028.91 Bitswap: 5/5 0/0 Total time = 40 min 17 sec FEC: 122 0 CRC: 0 2 ES: 0 2 SES: 0 0 UAS: 84 84 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Latest 15 minutes time = 10 min 17 sec FEC: 0 0 CRC: 0 0 ES: 0 0 SES: 0 0 UAS: 31 31 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec FEC: 122 0 CRC: 0 1 ES: 0 1 SES: 0 0 UAS: 30 30 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Latest 1 day time = 40 min 17 sec FEC: 122 0 CRC: 0 2 ES: 0 2 SES: 0 0 UAS: 84 84 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Previous 1 day time = 0 sec FEC: 0 0 CRC: 0 0 ES: 0 0 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Since Link time = 1 min 29 sec FEC: 0 0 CRC: 0 0 ES: 0 0 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 #
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: michty_me on February 04, 2019, 04:07:13 AM: Are you rebooting the modem yourself or is it DLM taking action?
Something isn't looking right there.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: Ronski on February 04, 2019, 07:01:26 AM: How many times have you resynced/restarted the modem?
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: tubaman on February 04, 2019, 08:23:25 AM: Are you deliberately capping the speed or does it now sync like that without capping, as if so it's looking like it's banded and you really need to stop re-syncing as it's only making things worse.
I'd leave it alone (like don't touch it at all) for a few days and if nothing changes I'd ask for a DLM reset as you've "had problems with a faulty router" ;)
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: j0hn on February 04, 2019, 11:42:48 AM: I'll chip in the same as others.

DLM will never ever make a positive change to the line from you performing a resync.
It treats resyncs as instability and will apply banding (capping the line) if you resync too often.

You've gone from a normal 71Mb sync, to what appears 60Mb capped, then 48Mb capped.

Is this a manual cap placed by you?
If not...oh dear. That's some of the harshest banding I've seen in a short period of time.

Banding sticks. DLM adds it easy but takes months to lower it in small steps or it just never removes at all.

If it's a manual cap, why? That won't speed up G.INP.

edit: looks like a manual cap. Just noticed the upstream.

Why is the upstream capped at 11Mb? DLM treats upstream/downstream as separate entities. Capping the upstream won't affect downstream G.INP either.

IMO you are more like to prevent G.INP being applied by messing with the line than just leading it alone.

For most people it will take 2 days for G.INP to be applied.
It took 11 weeks for my line, 7 weeks for Tiffy's line.

My advice is uncap the line and leave it alone.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: boost on February 04, 2019, 12:48:04 PM: They were all manual caps. I suppose I have an irrational desire to see my latency return to normal, I've never cared about throughput.

Patience is not one of my virtues, I suppose.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: boost on February 04, 2019, 01:08:31 PM: OK, back we go:

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Stats recorded 04 Feb 2019 13:04:19 DSLAM type / SW version: BDCM:0xb12d (177.45) / v0xb12d Modem/router firmware: AnnexA version - A2pv6C038m.d24j DSL mode: VDSL2 Profile 17a Status: Showtime Uptime: 0 hour 1 min 20 sec Resyncs: 0 (since 04 Feb 2019 13:03:16) Downstream Upstream Line attenuation (dB): 12.8 0.0 Signal attenuation (dB): Not monitored Connection speed (kbps): 71866 20000 SNR margin (dB): 6.2 13.1 Power (dBm): 13.3 -2.8 Interleave depth: 1196 1 INP: 3.00 0 G.INP: Not enabled Not enabled Vectoring status: 5 (VECT_UNCONFIGURED) RSCorr/RS (%): 0.0000 0.0000 RSUnCorr/RS (%): 0.0000 0.0000 ES/hour: 0 0

As an aside, what is the rationale in not starting from 'the best point' on a DLM reset?
8ms of delay is ridiculous. Openreach are better than this.

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Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: Ronski on February 04, 2019, 01:11:50 PM: I guess it depends on what you consider to be the best point. ;)

My brothers line took many weeks, possibly even a couple of months before g.inp was applied, although I think this was before they applied interleaving as standard.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: tubaman on February 04, 2019, 01:24:33 PM: I imagine interleaving is applied by default because it will give a working start position for the majority of lines. Your line looks somewhat better than most so will (if you leave it alone ;)) hopefully soon decide that it's not required.
Only time will tell.
:)
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: Chrysalis on February 04, 2019, 06:38:25 PM: leave the line alone, thats my advise
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: adslmax on February 04, 2019, 06:47:11 PM: Yes best to leave it alone or DLM will bite your line alots worsen.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: boost on February 05, 2019, 03:35:45 PM: Yep, you're right. As of yesterday, I've stopped poking it :D

Just posting some stats here for future reference.

Stats

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xdslcmd info --stats xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status Status: Showtime Retrain Reason: 0 Last initialization procedure status: 0 Max: Upstream rate = 31067 Kbps, Downstream rate = 82912 Kbps Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 71866 Kbps Link Power State: L0 Mode: VDSL2 Annex B VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0) Trellis: U:ON /D:ON Line Status: No Defect Training Status: Showtime Down Up SNR (dB): 6.2 13.1 Attn(dB): 12.8 0.0 Pwr(dBm): 13.3 -2.7 VDSL2 framing Bearer 0 MSGc: 15 20 B: 60 239 M: 1 1 T: 64 64 R: 14 0 S: 0.0270 0.3819 L: 22216 5028 D: 1196 1 I: 75 120 N: 75 240 Counters Bearer 0 OHF: 72828517 1783658 OHFErr: 3 235 RS: 1098027165 715736 RSCorr: 25393 0 RSUnCorr: 3 0 Bearer 0 HEC: 1 0 OCD: 0 0 LCD: 0 0 Total Cells: 213809108 0 Data Cells: 219824869 0 Drop Cells: 0 Bit Errors: 0 0 ES: 1 228 SES: 0 0 UAS: 23 23 AS: 94783 Bearer 0 INP: 3.00 0.00 INPRein: 0.00 0.00 delay: 8 0 PER: 1.30 6.13 OR: 129.08 33.91 AgR: 71994.82 20033.74 Bitswap: 47472/47472 33/33 Total time = 1 days 2 hours 20 min 6 sec FEC: 25393 0 CRC: 3 235 ES: 1 228 SES: 0 0 UAS: 23 23 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Latest 15 minutes time = 5 min 6 sec FEC: 0 0 CRC: 0 2 ES: 0 2 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec FEC: 248 0 CRC: 0 2 ES: 0 2 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Latest 1 day time = 2 hours 20 min 6 sec FEC: 517 0 CRC: 0 22 ES: 0 22 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec FEC: 24876 0 CRC: 3 213 ES: 1 206 SES: 0 0 UAS: 23 23 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Since Link time = 1 days 2 hours 19 min 43 sec FEC: 25393 0 CRC: 3 235 ES: 1 228 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 #

pbParams

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xdslcmd info --pbParams xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status Status: Showtime Retrain Reason: 0 Last initialization procedure status: 0 Max: Upstream rate = 31067 Kbps, Downstream rate = 82912 Kbps Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 71866 Kbps Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan US: (7,32) (871,1205) (1972,2782) DS: (33,859) (1216,1961) (2793,3959) Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan US: (7,32) (871,1205) (1972,2782) DS: (33,859) (1216,1961) (2793,3959) VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream Attainable Net Data Rate: 31067 kbps 82912 kbps Actual Aggregate Tx Power: - 2.7 dBm 13.3 dBm ==================================================================================== VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 U4 D1 D2 D3 Line Attenuation(dB): 4.3 12.6 19.4 N/A N/A 8.2 17.3 23.9 Signal Attenuation(dB): 4.3 11.9 19.0 N/A N/A 11.7 17.4 23.9 SNR Margin(dB): 13.2 13.1 13.0 N/A N/A 6.2 6.2 6.2 TX Power(dBm): -17.2 -31.8 -3.0 N/A N/A 10.2 7.7 7.1 #
U1 shows the highest SNRM fluctuation (10.2 - 13.7).
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: michty_me on February 05, 2019, 03:42:08 PM: Do you know if you are on an ECI or Huawei cabinet?
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: boost on February 05, 2019, 05:58:17 PM: BDCM so Huawei, I guess?

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Stats recorded 05 Feb 2019 17:55:01 DSLAM type / SW version: BDCM:0xb12d (177.45) / v0xb12d Modem/router firmware: AnnexA version - A2pv6C038m.d24j DSL mode: VDSL2 Profile 17a Status: Showtime Uptime: 1 day 4 hours 52 min 3 sec Resyncs: 0 (since 05 Feb 2019 17:53:59) Downstream Upstream Line attenuation (dB): 12.8 0.0 Signal attenuation (dB): Not monitored Connection speed (kbps): 71866 20000 SNR margin (dB): 6.2 13.1 Power (dBm): 13.3 -2.7 Interleave depth: 1196 1 INP: 3.00 0 G.INP: Not enabled Not enabled Vectoring status: 5 (VECT_UNCONFIGURED) RSCorr/RS (%): 0.0012 0.0000 RSUnCorr/RS (%): 0.0000 0.0000 ES/hour: 0 30.3
Suspect the ES/hour number is misreported there too? My connection has been up just under 29 hours with the upstream ES counter showing 255, atm.

255 / 29 = 8.79

Is that how it works? I'm terrible at maths :D
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: adslmax on February 05, 2019, 06:18:38 PM: I was looking back to last year when openreach has resetted my line and g.inp has disappear for 2 days before it come back.

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Connection stats adsl info --stats adsl: ADSL driver and PHY status Status: Showtime Last Retrain Reason: 0 Last initialization procedure status: 0 Max: Upstream rate = 26797 Kbps, Downstream rate = 80556 Kbps Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 67526 Kbps Link Power State: L0 Mode: VDSL2 Annex B VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0) Trellis: U:ON /D:ON Line Status: No Defect Training Status: Showtime Down Up SNR (dB): 6.2 15.1 Attn(dB): 12.0 0.0 Pwr(dBm): 12.5 0.9 VDSL2 framing Bearer 0 MSGc: 18 26 B: 51 237 M: 1 1 T: 64 42 R: 12 16 S: 0.0245 0.3781 L: 20896 5374 D: 1321 1 I: 64 127 N: 64 254 Counters Bearer 0 OHF: 138477 54774 OHFErr: 0 0 RS: 35450023 2299498 RSCorr: 0 0 RSUnCorr: 0 0 Bearer 0 HEC: 0 0 OCD: 0 0 LCD: 0 0 Total Cells: 28308888 0 Data Cells: 12256 0 Drop Cells: 0 Bit Errors: 0 0 ES: 0 0 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 AS: 218 Bearer 0 INP: 3.00 0.00 INPRein: 0.00 0.00 delay: 8 0 PER: 1.57 3.98 OR: 121.96 64.22 AgR: 67647.75 20063.54 Bitswap: 0/0 0/0 Total time = 7 min 0 sec FEC: 0 0 CRC: 0 0 ES: 0 0 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Latest 15 minutes time = 7 min 0 sec FEC: 0 0 CRC: 0 0 ES: 0 0 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Previous 15 minutes time = 0 sec FEC: 0 0 CRC: 0 0 ES: 0 0 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Latest 1 day time = 7 min 0 sec FEC: 0 0 CRC: 0 0 ES: 0 0 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Previous 1 day time = 0 sec FEC: 0 0 CRC: 0 0 ES: 0 0 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Since Link time = 7 min 0 sec FEC: 0 0 CRC: 0 0 ES: 0 0 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 ________________________________________________________________________________________ xDSL Mode VDSL2 Traffic Type PTM Status Up Link Power State L0 Downstream Upstream Line Coding (Trellis) On On SNR Margin (dB) 6.2 15.1 Attenuation (dB) 12.0 0.0 Output Power (dBm) 12.5 0.9 Attainable Rate (Kbps) 80556 26797 Rate (Kbps) 67526 19999 B (# of bytes in Mux Data Frame) 51 237 M (# of Mux Data Frames in an RS codeword) 1 1 T (# of Mux Data Frames in an OH sub-frame) 64 42 R (# of redundancy bytes in the RS codeword) 12 16 S (# of data symbols over which the RS code word spans) 0.0245 0.3781 L (# of bits transmitted in each data symbol) 20896 5374 D (interleaver depth) 1321 1 I (interleaver block size in bytes) 64 127 N (RS codeword size) 64 254 Delay (msec) 8 0 INP (DMT symbol) 3.00 0.00 OH Frames 217243 85573 OH Frame Errors 0 0 RS Words 55614255 3611371 RS Correctable Errors 0 0 RS Uncorrectable Errors 0 0 HEC Errors 0 0 OCD Errors 0 0 LCD Errors 0 0 Total Cells 44411191 0 Data Cells 14932 0 Bit Errors 0 0 Total ES 0 0 Total SES 0 0 Total UAS 0 0 ________________________________________________________________________________________ Stats recorded 21 Aug 2018 11:33:00 DSLAM type / SW version: BDCM:0xa48c (164.140) / v0xa48c Modem/router firmware: AnnexA version - A2pv6F039g1.d24m DSL mode: VDSL2 Profile 17a Status: Showtime Uptime: 0 hour 7 min 0 sec Resyncs: 0 (since 21 Aug 2018 11:33:00) Downstream Upstream Line attenuation (dB): 12.0 0.0 Signal attenuation (dB): Not available on VDSL2 Connection speed (kbps): 67526 19999 SNR margin (dB): 6.2 15.1 Power (dBm): 12.5 0.9 Interleave depth: 1321 1 INP: 3.00 0 G.INP: Not enabled Not enabled Vectoring status: 5 (VECT_UNCONFIGURED) RSCorr/RS (%): 0.0000 0.0000 RSUnCorr/RS (%): 0.0000 0.0000 ES/hour: 0 0 _________________________________________________________________________________________ 80556 26797 Attainable Rate (Kbps) 67526 19999 Sync Rate (Kbps) 6.2 15.1 SNR Margin (dB) 12.0 0.0 Line Attenuation (dB) 12.5 0.9 Output Power (dBm) 1321 1 Interleave Depth 3.00 0.00 INP Not enabled Not enabled G.INP 5 (VECT_UNCONFIGURED) Vectoring status Bearer 0 INP: 3.00 0.00 INPRein: 0.00 0.00 delay: 8 0 PER: 1.57 3.98 OR: 121.96 64.22 AgR: 67647.75 20063.54 Bitswap: 0/0 0/0
2 days later G.INP come back ON

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Downstream Upstream Line attenuation (dB): 11.9 0.0 Signal attenuation (dB): Not available on VDSL2 Attenuation rate (kbps): 79191 27652 Connection speed (kbps): 78461 19999 SNR margin (dB): 6.4 15.1 Power (dBm): 12.4 0.9 Interleave depth: 8 1 INP: 49.00 0 G.INP: Enabled Not Enabled
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: burakkucat on February 05, 2019, 06:26:04 PM: Quote from: boost on February 05, 2019, 05:58:17 PM
BDCM so Huawei, I guess?

Correct.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: adslmax on February 05, 2019, 06:27:42 PM: ;D ;D ;D :P :P :P Love the Huawei cabinet rather than ECI.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: boost on February 05, 2019, 06:31:52 PM: Quote from: adslmax on February 05, 2019, 06:18:38 PM
I was looking back to last year when openreach has resetted my line and g.inp has disappear for 2 days before it come back.

Nice.
This is South Wales, though. A half-assed job is perfectly acceptable here, it seems.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: michty_me on February 05, 2019, 06:50:09 PM: Yes, sorry. I was just up, I should have looked back at your previous posts. With any luck, hopefully DLM tries to lower your target SNR to bump the speed up further. After a reset or line change, this can take a few weeks.
The first time my line was reset it took about 6 days to running at optimum. The second time it took 12 days. Others have waited a lot longer.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: boost on February 07, 2019, 02:21:52 PM: Day 3. Again :D

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xdslcmd info --stats xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status Status: Showtime Retrain Reason: 0 Last initialization procedure status: 0 Max: Upstream rate = 30990 Kbps, Downstream rate = 82684 Kbps Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 71866 Kbps Link Power State: L0 Mode: VDSL2 Annex B VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0) Trellis: U:ON /D:ON Line Status: No Defect Training Status: Showtime Down Up SNR (dB): 6.1 13.0 Attn(dB): 12.8 0.0 Pwr(dBm): 13.2 -2.7 VDSL2 framing Bearer 0 MSGc: 15 20 B: 60 239 M: 1 1 T: 64 64 R: 14 0 S: 0.0270 0.3819 L: 22216 5028 D: 1196 1 I: 75 120 N: 75 240 Counters Bearer 0 OHF: 202745918 1997713 OHFErr: 10 665 RS: 272364333 2301163 RSCorr: 73848 0 RSUnCorr: 269 0 Bearer 0 HEC: 76 0 OCD: 2 0 LCD: 2 0 Total Cells: 2105574738 0 Data Cells: 483388664 0 Drop Cells: 0 Bit Errors: 0 0 ES: 2 626 SES: 0 0 UAS: 23 23 AS: 263865 Bearer 0 INP: 3.00 0.00 INPRein: 0.00 0.00 delay: 8 0 PER: 1.30 6.13 OR: 129.08 33.91 AgR: 71994.82 20033.74 Bitswap: 134531/134531 73/73 Total time = 1 days 1 hours 18 min 8 sec FEC: 73848 0 CRC: 10 665 ES: 2 626 SES: 0 0 UAS: 23 23 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Latest 15 minutes time = 3 min 8 sec FEC: 5 0 CRC: 0 0 ES: 0 0 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec FEC: 46 0 CRC: 0 2 ES: 0 2 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Latest 1 day time = 1 hours 18 min 8 sec FEC: 1458 0 CRC: 0 8 ES: 0 8 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec FEC: 23798 0 CRC: 0 190 ES: 0 177 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Since Link time = 3 days 1 hours 17 min 43 sec FEC: 73848 0 CRC: 10 665 ES: 2 626 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 #
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: adslmax on February 07, 2019, 02:25:01 PM: Leave it alone let DLM decided when to put G. INP enabled but keeping resync won't help it and make it lots longer to wait for the G. INP to be switching on.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: michty_me on February 07, 2019, 02:39:56 PM: You'll hopefully start seeing the SNR adjustments coming in around day 9.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: boost on February 13, 2019, 06:48:36 PM: ON THE NINTH DAY OF CHRISTMAS, MY TRUE LOVE GAVE TO ME...

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xdslcmd info --stats xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status Status: Showtime Retrain Reason: 0 Last initialization procedure status: 0 Max: Upstream rate = 31268 Kbps, Downstream rate = 82912 Kbps Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 71866 Kbps Link Power State: L0 Mode: VDSL2 Annex B VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0) Trellis: U:ON /D:ON Line Status: No Defect Training Status: Showtime Down Up SNR (dB): 6.2 13.2 Attn(dB): 12.8 0.0 Pwr(dBm): 13.3 -2.7 VDSL2 framing Bearer 0 MSGc: 15 20 B: 60 239 M: 1 1 T: 64 64 R: 14 0 S: 0.0270 0.3819 L: 22216 5028 D: 1196 1 I: 75 120 N: 75 240 Counters Bearer 0 OHF: 613171582 1552343 OHFErr: 97 1986 RS: 1764680564 1179816 RSCorr: 249756 0 RSUnCorr: 3307 0 Bearer 0 HEC: 920 0 OCD: 20 0 LCD: 20 0 Total Cells: 2909210962 0 Data Cells: 2521041725 0 Drop Cells: 0 Bit Errors: 0 0 ES: 17 1846 SES: 0 0 UAS: 23 23 AS: 798014 Bearer 0 INP: 3.00 0.00 INPRein: 0.00 0.00 delay: 8 0 PER: 1.30 6.13 OR: 129.08 33.91 AgR: 71994.82 20033.74 Bitswap: 409969/409969 290/290 Total time = 1 days 5 hours 40 min 37 sec FEC: 249756 0 CRC: 97 1986 ES: 17 1846 SES: 0 0 UAS: 23 23 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Latest 15 minutes time = 10 min 37 sec FEC: 337 0 CRC: 0 1 ES: 0 1 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec FEC: 487 0 CRC: 0 4 ES: 0 3 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Latest 1 day time = 5 hours 40 min 37 sec FEC: 4129 0 CRC: 0 79 ES: 0 66 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec FEC: 23339 0 CRC: 10 232 ES: 2 219 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 Since Link time = 9 days 5 hours 40 min 13 sec FEC: 249756 0 CRC: 97 1986 ES: 17 1846 SES: 0 0 UAS: 0 0 LOS: 0 0 LOF: 0 0 LOM: 0 0 #
...NOTHING FROM GEEEEEEE AYE EN PEEEEEE!
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: michty_me on February 13, 2019, 07:02:30 PM: Maybe someone can answer this but why does the total time only show as 1 day and 5hrs? Your link time shows the 9 days.

I guess it is just a waiting game and hope DLM decides to start lowering the SNR target.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: boost on February 13, 2019, 07:28:48 PM: Good spot!

Just checked the Windows client and it shows the same. One more day before all faith in the system is lost :P
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: j0hn on February 13, 2019, 08:32:52 PM: Quote from: michty_me on February 13, 2019, 07:02:30 PM
Maybe someone can answer this but why does the total time only show as 1 day and 5hrs? Your link time shows the 9 days.

I guess it is just a waiting game and hope DLM decides to start lowering the SNR target.

The total is 11 days and 5 hours.
It misses the first 1 on some devices.
A bug that had been noticed in the past.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: michty_me on February 13, 2019, 08:34:34 PM: I see. I didn't know that. Handy to know, Thanks!
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: boost on February 14, 2019, 08:07:21 PM: Still interleaved all shapes.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: boost on April 06, 2019, 03:37:57 PM: So, this finally got fixed this morning!

The delay is mostly my own fault as I couldn't get time off work. Long story short:

OR booking 1: No show but I showed a resynch that morning.
OR booking 2: A very helpful chap turned up (thanks Mark) and found that I had always had a bridge tap within my extension wiring (I rent). He fixed that and put a shiny new faceplate thing on the wall (Master Socket 5C). My ping was still double what it should be but I noticed my attenuation was now 3dB less than before. Seeing there was a visible improvement to the line, I let him go and crossed my fingers that the cab would notice things were looking tip top.

That was Thursday morning.
It's now Saturday.

I game every day and habitually check base latency before I start - so I have nothing to blame but myself for my poor performance :)

I checked just now and I'm finally back to 10ms UK RTT.

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Pinging 8.8.8.8 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=124 Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=124 Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=124 Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=124 Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 10ms, Maximum = 10ms, Average = 10ms

I still have the SR102 attached atm but I am now also showing full sync, as it always should have:

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Broadband Link Downstream Upstream Connection Speed 79999 kbps 20000 kbps Line Attenuation 9.7 dB 0.0 dB Noise Margin 6.6 dB 14.14 dB
Speedtest looks good too, attached.

Funny thing is, I saw an article posted the other day that Sky had somehow tied bottom place in some ISP ranking.

I didn't believe it for a second.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: j0hn on April 06, 2019, 05:52:15 PM: Sounds like the engineer performed a DLM reset.
As it should DLM applied G.INP 2 days later, knocking 8ms off the base latency.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: spaace on April 07, 2019, 01:20:24 PM: in what scenario would g.inp not get enabled? i had a regrade from 40 to 80, interleaving was applied for 48 hours as expected then removed (all i really care about as a gamer)

Pinging 8.8.8.8 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=123
Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=123
Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=123
Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=123

g.inp is enabled on upstream but not downstream. sorry to hijack the thread, seems kinda the same situation though.

just interested to know why g.inp isnt on downstream and what advantage would it being enabled give me?

stats attached
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: ejs on April 07, 2019, 01:42:46 PM: The Draytek retx status is the wrong way around. You've got g.inp on the downstream and not on the upstream.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: spaace on April 07, 2019, 05:18:30 PM: aha thankyou! is that a common Draytek thing?
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: ejs on April 07, 2019, 05:43:05 PM: It's what Draytek have done. The first three items, trellis, bitswap and retx don't really belong under "near end" and "far end" - the generic Lantiq command uses upstream and downstream for them.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: spaace on April 07, 2019, 06:53:41 PM: thanks for info!
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: spaace on April 08, 2019, 10:49:56 AM: line reconnected in the night and now it says on for both upstream and down, attainable rate risen too from it. strange!
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: j0hn on April 08, 2019, 01:41:27 PM: The default for lines connected to Huawei cabinets is G.INP/ReTx is enabled on the downstream.

It's enabled on the upstream if there is a high number of upstream errors.
It looks like you had over 6000 upstream ES between the 2 sets of stats you posted.

If the upstream ES persist then ReTx will remain enabled.
If the upstream ES drop to a considerably lower level then DLM will remove ReTx from the upstream.
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: boost on May 27, 2019, 03:33:54 PM: Quote from: spaace on April 07, 2019, 01:20:24 PM
in what scenario would g.inp not get enabled? i had a regrade from 40 to 80, interleaving was applied for 48 hours as expected then removed (all i really care about as a gamer)

Pinging 8.8.8.8 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=123
Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=123
Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=123
Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=123

g.inp is enabled on upstream but not downstream. sorry to hijack the thread, seems kinda the same situation though.

just interested to know why g.inp isnt on downstream and what advantage would it being enabled give me?

stats attached

Loving the 7ms!
What ISP? Whereabouts are you? :D
Title: Re: Been upgraded... G.INP disappeared?
Post by: spaace on August 19, 2019, 12:16:34 AM: sorry did not see this.

I'm in south leicestershire and my isp is voicehost (i resell phone systems and leased lines for them so have my fibre but it seems great for latency)

only downside is sometimes it auths via manchester and pings are 20ms but a few redials normally hits london and 7/8ms again