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Broadband Related => Broadband Hardware => Topic started by: renluop on January 08, 2019, 09:01:35 AM
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In short; not very good! Since 5.15 last evening, it has re-syncd twice, errors are awful ( CRC 14600; ES 3000; SES 170 per hour),and DLM has hit.
I have a vague recollection that someone here had similar problems, but I may be wrong.
Thoughts anybody?
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As already advised on another thread, the R2 has the budget chipset the BCM63381.
The 3rd digit in bold confirming it's a budget chipset.
With ES/SES like that I advise removing the device immediately before DLM hits the line any harder than it is already going to.
I'm not surprised.
I'd rather use a p00 ISP modem with no stats that worked, than a bit junk I can monitor as is sabotages my line.
Return to sender.
edit: p00 wasn't my choice of words, but the forums filter. p00 works.
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Return to sender.
Can he?
It's working to it's specification. Isn't it the buyers fault for not adequately researching if it was suitable for his requirements?
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For an online purchase from a UK retailer you can. I changed my mind is a good enough reason.
He didn't go with a Zyxel because he didn't want to use eBay so I'm guessing it's from a retailer.
3000 ES on the 1st day, maybe less than 24 hours ... I would be keen to see exact error figures with timings.
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It's working to it's specification. ....
Is it? That sounds like it's faulty to me. There's no way it should be clocking-up so many errors on a line that is known to work with other modems.
As already suggested I'd pull that from the line now as DLM will take action with those error rates.
:no:
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I found the old thread (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,22542.0.html) and installed the update suggested there. In my case it seems (understatement) not to have worked.
Stats
Stats recorded 08 Jan 2019 16:42:48
DSLAM type / SW version: BDCM:0xb12d (177.45) / v0xb12d
Modem/router firmware: AnnexA version - A2pvI042j1.d26q_rc1a
DSL mode: VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status: Showtime
Uptime: 0 hour 50 min 28 sec
Resyncs: 0 (since 08 Jan 2019 16:05:15)
Downstream Upstream
Line attenuation (dB): 25.8 0.0
Signal attenuation (dB): Not available on VDSL2
Connection speed (kbps): 18463 5645
SNR margin (dB): 4.4 5.8
Power (dBm): 11.6 6.4
Interleave depth: 4 1
INP: 54.00 0
G.INP: Enabled Not enabled
Vectoring status: 5 (VECT_UNCONFIGURED)
RSCorr/RS (%): 4.3435 0.0000
RSUnCorr/RS (%): 0.0000 0.0000
ES/hour: 1553 0
and errors
Average error rates for 08 Jan 2019
CRC erors per hour: 3242 Down, 0 Up
FEC erors per hour: 1608097 Down, 0 Up
HEC erors per hour: 0 Down, 0 Up
ES per hour: 1546 Down, 0 Up
SES per hour: 42.3 Down, 0 Up
From the old thread it appeared the reboot problem had been solved, but those with better recall may have known better. Some comments seem harsh, but as to returning it, I bought it from Amazon for its 30 return policy.
Two strange things;
1. The firmware description above is in no way similar to what Billion name the update. :-\
2. When setting up, in the section for ISP ID and p/word was MYNAME PN RTR. How could that have got there on a new router? :-\ :-\
[Moderator edited to fix the broken link.]
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I found the old thread (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,22542.0.html) and installed the update suggested there.
Sorry to hear the router F/W update did not work for you, I was the party involved, it certainly worked for me and is still in service on my daughters rather long and quite heavily conjested PN VDSL2 line, has never self re-booted since.
In my case, I could positively state that the router was randomly re-booting and not being DLM re-synch'ed as the line was 24/7 monitored and recorded with DSLStats via a RPi, your issue appears to be more current line error status related and with this particular router, however, as the earlier router F/W was proven (in my case) to be an issue and Billion issued the revision specifically mentioning the random re-booting problem was certainly prudent to update as process of elimination if nothing else.
As j0hn has already mentioned, the Billion 8800NL R2 does incorporate the Broadcom budget chipset, however I have found it adequate for my particular application and the unit has given reliable service (apart from the now resolved F/W issue) for close to 2 years, considering the unit was bought S/H from the members swap forum can't complain.
Every line is unique after all, good luck with resolution.
[Moderator edited to fix the broken link that was inadvertently copied from the previous post.]
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Thanks, tiffy!
Update
Average error rates for 08 Jan 2019
CRC erors per hour: 3029 Down, 1.00 Up
FEC erors per hour: 1717079 Down, 1.50 Up
HEC erors per hour: 0 Down, 0 Up
ES per hour: 1464 Down, 1.00 Up
SES per hour: 38.0 Down, 0 Up
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For an online purchase from a UK retailer you can. I changed my mind is a good enough reason.
He didn't go with a Zyxel because he didn't want to use eBay so I'm guessing it's from a retailer.
3000 ES on the 1st day, maybe less than 24 hours ... I would be keen to see exact error figures with timings.
Is what I've already posted sufficient, or would you like more, from where?
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Telnet:
adsl info --stats
adsl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 5645 Kbps, Downstream rate = 19154 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 5645 Kbps, Downstream rate = 18463 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a
TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 4.7 5.8
Attn(dB): 25.8 0.0
Pwr(dBm): 11.7 6.4
VDSL2 framing
Bearer 0
MSGc: -6 26
B: 227 175
M: 1 1
T: 0 36
R: 14 10
S: 0.3928 0.9887
L: 4929 1505
D: 4 1
I: 242 93
N: 242 186
Q: 4 0
V: 0 0
RxQueue: 45 0
TxQueue: 9 0
G.INP Framing: 18 0
G.INP lookback: 9 0
RRC bits: 0 24
Bearer 1
MSGc: 90 -6
B: 0 0
M: 2 0
T: 2 0
R: 16 0
S: 10.6667 0.0000
L: 24 0
D: 1 0
I: 32 0
N: 32 0
Q: 0 0
V: 0 0
RxQueue: 0 0
TxQueue: 0 0
G.INP Framing: 0 0
G.INP lookback: 0 0
RRC bits: 0 0
Counters
Bearer 0
OHF: 0 1038516
OHFErr: 7645 2
RS: 93692368 37364146
RSCorr: 4333803 3
RSUnCorr: 0 0
Bearer 1
OHF: 575066 0
OHFErr: 1175 0
RS: 3450024 0
RSCorr: 163741 0
RSUnCorr: 1202 0
Retransmit Counters
rtx_tx: 1151961 0
rtx_c: 524293 0
rtx_uc: 14525 0
G.INP Counters
LEFTRS: 734 0
minEFTR: 17943 0
errFreeBits: 2467989 0
Bearer 0
HEC: 0 0
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 311614251 0
Data Cells: 4432287 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0
Bearer 1
HEC: 0 0
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 0 0
Data Cells: 0 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0
ES: 3780 2
SES: 92 0
UAS: 29 29
AS: 9238
Bearer 0
INP: 54.00 0.00
INPRein: 1.00 0.00
delay: 0 0
PER: 0.00 8.93
OR: 0.01 28.65
AgR: 18503.12 5674.17
Bearer 1
INP: 2.50 0.00
INPRein: 2.50 0.00
delay: 0 0
PER: 16.06 0.01
OR: 47.81 0.01
AgR: 47.81 0.01
Bitswap: 2067/2067 455/455
Total time = 2 hours 34 min 27 sec
FEC: 4333803 3
CRC: 7645 2
ES: 3780 2
SES: 92 0
UAS: 29 29
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Retr: 0
FailedRetr: 0
FailedFastRetr: 0
Latest 15 minutes time = 4 min 27 sec
FEC: 116566 0
CRC: 212 0
ES: 110 0
SES: 3 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Retr: 0
FailedRetr: 0
FailedFastRetr: 0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC: 400503 0
CRC: 739 0
ES: 381 0
SES: 8 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Retr: N/A
FailedRetr: N/A
FailedFastRetr: N/A
Latest 1 day time = 2 hours 34 min 27 sec
FEC: 4333803 3
CRC: 7645 2
ES: 3780 2
SES: 92 0
UAS: 29 29
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Retr: 0
FailedRetr: 0
FailedFastRetr: 0
Previous 1 day time = 0 sec
FEC: 0 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Retr: 0
FailedRetr: 0
FailedFastRetr: 0
Since Link time = 2 hours 33 min 57 sec
FEC: 4333803 3
CRC: 7645 2
ES: 3780 2
SES: 92 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Retr: 0
FailedRetr: 0
FailedFastRetr: 0
NTR: mipsCntAtNtr=0 ncoCntAtNtr=0
> and graphs per attachment for anyone interested.
I'm taking router off now.
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Im back with PN Hub 1 now and straightway the connection is much healthier: Connection 21405/5443; SNR 4.2/6 down/up.
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. . . straightway the connection is much healthier: Connection 21405/5443; SNR 4.2/6 down/up.
That is the only confirmation required -- an 8800NL R2 disagrees with your particular line/circuit.
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Funny how a chipset change has such an effect, v1 was lovely. Does factory reset reverse firmware updates?
Anyone know what VDSL routers have Broadcom innards? Is list in DSL stats config u.t.d
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Does factory reset reverse firmware updates?
No, it just removes all configuration options that have been set.
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While I'm not a fan of the chipset, or shouldn't be that bad.
3780 ES in 2 hours 30 minutes is excessive to say the least and makes me think the device is faulty.
This is with Retransmission High (G.INP) on the line.
***There should be nearer 0 ES with the lines previous history (edited to avoid confusion, bad choice of words on my part.
The telnet stats you provided on your last set of stats are the best type to post as they show everything including error timers.
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j0hn I'd like to think I had bad luck with a faulty item, as I thought Billion a good manufacturer. My needs are modest, so I don't see ac as a particular necessity, and I also wonder that about sprouting aerials in a modest 3 bed house, probably in the not distant future exchanged for a 2 bed flat or bungalow.
However I like the ability to know what is going on that Broadcom gives, but even if the Billion is faulty, I'm shying away from another one.
ISTM to be harder to find kit too; some that featured their chips from my searches, appear to be going to other chip manufacturers. Am I hallucinating?
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This is with Retransmission High (G.INP) on the line.
There should be near 0 ES.
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Is this always the case, as I have Rtx High on G.INP and can get up to 900ES (only a handful of SES) per day.
This is using a VMG8924.
I've never seen anything even approaching zero on the various modems I have tried (Netgear D6220 was the best but it got poorly :().
:)
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No. Probably should have used nearer and not near.
It's perfectly possible for a line to still see so many errors.
Retransmission is great but doesn't fix all errors in all circumstances. It struggles with certain types of noise.
I was comparing against renluop's previous figures which were nearer 0, or often were zero.
This modem is causing 30,000+ ES a day at its current rate. That's not right.
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Im back with PN Hub 1 now and straightway the connection is much healthier: Connection 21405/5443; SNR 4.2/6 down/up.
Not sure if you are aware of this, you can get very limited stat's from a PN Hub One (re-badged BT Home Hub 5A), details here:
http://vwlowen.co.uk/RouterStatsHub/routerstatshub.htm
I ran this for a very short period with my original PN supplied Hub One after conversion from ADSL2+ to VDSL2 with PN before I changed to my current ZyXEL VMG1312-B10A, very limited stat's extraction due to the chipset but better than nothing until you manage to get a Broadcom based router and can run DSLStats.
I'd like to think I had bad luck with a faulty item, as I thought Billion a good manufacturer.
Yes, I would like to think this was the case, I also run a Billion 8800NL R1 on my sons very stable, relatively short VDSL2 line getting virtually max. DS & US rates (80/20 on Huawei Cab. with DS G.Inp, Re-tx. High), virtually zero DS ER and very low US ER, running for close to 2 years, no issues.
Accepting the limitations associated with the budget Broadcom chipset deployed, healthy Billion 8800NL R1 or R2's perform adequately on most lines and provide full stat's availability via DSLStats or a similar utility.
ISTM to be harder to find kit too; some that featured their chips from my searches, appear to be going to other chip manufacturers. Am I hallucinating?
Again, within the perceived limitations of the Broadcom budget chipset, the ZyXEL VMG1312-B10D is worth a look, I bought one S/H, actually to replace the perceived faulty Billion 8800NL R2 which was cured by the FW update, turned out to be an ex. ISP, locked down unit which I managed to return to original with lots of help from forum members.
This model is quite common S/H and a lot cheaper than the VMG1312-B10A (better chipset) but again can offer perfectly adequate service on most lines with full stat's extraction provision.
Unlocking an ex. ISP model is very well documented on this forum should that be a requirement.
I have retained my unit as a spare should there be a failure on any of my "router estate".
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The VMG3925-B10B is another candidate... has the good BCM63168 chipset but is missing the nice filter.
Small amount of ball ache getting the supervisor password, but once obtained has full stats.
Cheapish on the auction site, one ending in a little under a week to watch.
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Thanks for the interest guys!:) May be I'll have to consider EBAY, but reluctantly. Tiffy,
I am using Routerstats with PN Hub 1.
johnson,
What is that nice filter?
On the new models with BCM chips, there is the TP-LINK Archer VR600 below the £100 mark. Perhaps over specified, and in PC World strangely called a cable/FTTC model (no mention of ADSL). I think I mentioned moving sometime before, and if PCW is correct, and fibre unavailable, it could be even more of a waste.
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On the new models with BCM chips, there is the TP-LINK Archer VR600 below the £100 mark. Perhaps over specified, and in PC World strangely called a cable/FTTC model (no mention of ADSL).
A quick read of the specifications on the TP-Link web-site (https://www.tp-link.com/uk/products/details/cat-15_Archer-VR600.html#specifications) shows that the Archer VR600 is xDSL capable . . . by that I mean it is compatible with any available ADSL, ADSL2, ADSL2+ and VDSL2 services.
[Edited to remove the now irrelevant image and, thus, save on disk space.]
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Had a bit of a look for routers to buy new with the BCM63168 chipset and came across the netgear D6400 on CCL for £95.
I have no experience with it, but the kitz wiki suggests it has full stats accessible and has the right chipset, so thought I'd mention it.
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What is that nice filter?
The VMG1312 & VMG8x24 have a larger/more complex filter on the phone line input that may be responsible for their higher sync/lower error rates.
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The VMG1312 & VMG8x24 have a larger/more complex filter on the phone line input that may be responsible for their higher sync/lower error rates.
Just to clarify, the VMG1312-B10A model only, not the VMG1312-B10D which also utilises the Broadcom budget chip set as mentioned earlier.
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Google/Amazon are amusing sometimes!
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Google/Amazon are amusing sometimes!
Yes indeed, perhaps in the same vein as j0hn's estimation on ISP supplied modems earlier in this thread ?
I'd rather use a p00 ISP modem with no stats that worked, than a bit junk I can monitor as is sabotages my line.
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I had a sudden thought, during the night, about TP-Link Archer devices . . .
I've only had experience of one of those devices and it provided a severely restricted command line interface, such that it was impossible to use DSLstats to monitor the line. So caution is advised, until someone is able to confirm that DSLstats can be used with an Archer VR600. :-\
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I had a sudden thought, during the night, about TP-Link Archer devices . . .
I've only had experience of one of those devices and it provided a severely restricted command line interface....
I think this is why we tend to like the Zyxel devices so much on this forum, as they don't restrict access to the raw stats data should you wish to see it (and of course the fact that they are decent performers on the majority of lines).
Netgear devices mostly allow stats access too but do need what could be described as a little hack to enable it.
:)
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Netgear devices mostly allow stats access too but do need what could be described as a little hack to enable it.
"Debug mode", I believe. ;)
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"Debug mode", I believe. ;)
In the case of my now defunct D6220 it was an open-source package that sends it a 'magic packet' to enable telnet access.
It may well be Debug Mode for other Netgear devices.
:)
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I had a sudden thought, during the night, about TP-Link Archer devices . . .
I've only had experience of one of those devices and it provided a severely restricted command line interface, such that it was impossible to use DSLstats to monitor the line. So caution is advised, until someone is able to confirm that DSLstats can be used with an Archer VR600. :-\
I can confirm that using DSLstats on the VR600 v1 (firmware 160614) is possible using the procedure I detailed here https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,14377.msg357441.html#msg357441 though I'd now recommend using Flossies' python script (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,17108.msg368999.html#msg368999) to do the decryption and encryption of the configuration file.
To be honest, I'm extremely happy with my VR600. It has this board's favourite chipset (BCM63168), has the best performance out of all the modems I've tried on my TT ADSL line, is very stable and has excellent WiFi performance. The main disadvantages of it for me are the (relatively minor) amount of faff you need to go through to get DSLstats working, and the large amount of missing features from the GUI (e.g. barely any connection stats shown in the GUI).
That said, were I in the market for a new modem/router today I'd probably go with the Zyxel VMG8924-B10A for the more comprehensive GUI, out-of-box DSLstats support and MCT approval. Incidentally, this (and other Zyxel devices) can be bought new outside of eBay from stuff-uk: https://www.stuff-uk.net/p-1726434.aspx
Cheers
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I had a sudden thought, during the night, about TP-Link Archer devices . . .
I've only had experience of one of those devices and it provided a severely restricted command line interface, such that it was impossible to use DSLstats to monitor the line. So caution is advised, until someone is able to confirm that DSLstats can be used with an Archer VR600. :-\
The creature features on the final page of thread https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,14377.90.html. To me it doesn't a goer.
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Also I see a number of Home Hub 5s around, which seem to be usable on BT/PN/EE only. Subject to that limitation, (I can see no likelihood of going to the likes of Sky or TT and such), would a type B be worth a look?
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Forgot to ask, easily as am AiO modem router with Plusnet?
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While I'm not a fan of the chipset, or shouldn't be that bad.
3780 ES in 2 hours 30 minutes is excessive to say the least and makes me think the device is faulty.
I'd tend to agree. The BCM 63381 is also in the VMG1213-B10D and the TP-Link TD-W9970. I have both of those modems.. and on my line they perform on a similar par to the HG612 with its older BCM 6368.
iirc b*cat has also had a VMG1312-B10D with a BCM63381 on his adsl line and if memory serves correctly I'm sure he said it worked perfectly fine, slightly better than the HG612, but not as good as the B10A version.
Both Saffy and Zen have highly rated modems with the 63381 chipset (TD-W9970 & VMG1312-B10D respectively) for stability. The only reason they get less of a rating on here is because we know that the 63168 is the better chipset and the B10A's have the additional noise filter.
I always fall back to my VMG8324/VMG8924 (I have both) is because they far out perform any other modem I have tried on my line when it comes to higher sync and less errors.
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edited - just noticed I'd missed a '3' in one of the sentences.
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To an extent my own logic was similar, having talked to other knowledgeables I got an impression that chipset buyers' requirements could mean the designation did not tell all.
Oh and just BTW I posted last night and this morning prior to kitz's post. ;)
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iirc b*cat has also had a VMG1312-B10D with a BCM63381 on his adsl line and if memory serves correctly I'm sure he said it worked perfectly fine, slightly better than the HG612, but not as good as the B10A version.
Correct. I only stopped using the VMG1312-B10D when a firmware update put it into "very peculiar mode" from which I was not able to recover.
I now use a VMG1312-B10A and I'm entirely satisfied with its performance.
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edited - Noticed I'd accidentally missed a '3' in the quoted sentence.
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B'cat The cheapest new found are well over £100. Those below in the mid £80 mark in Ebay are from the EU. They are noted as EU01V1F, not GB02V1F. Am I wisely wary?
Hmm. No response re my question on BT Hub5.
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B'cat The cheapest new found are well over £100.
Yes, so I've just discovered. :( [By looking on the Stuff UK Net (https://www.stuff-uk.net/p-2308304.aspx) website.] I paid less than £40-00, each, for my ones. (But they were ISP firmware customised and I needed to perform a de-branding process to convert them to vanilla ZyXEL.)
Those below in the mid £80 mark in Ebay are from the EU. They are noted as EU01V1F, not GB02V1F. Am I wisely wary?
Ignoring the leading two alphabetic characters, I would prefer the "02V1F" rather than the "01V1F" version. You are probably being over cautious. I know that Weaver has purchased some VMG1312-B10As from continental Europe . . . the only problem, if I am remembering correctly, was the need for an adaptor to plug the PSU into a standard UK socket.
Hmm. No response re my question on BT Hub5.
I've never had any experience with a BT Hub5A or Hub5B, so I am unable to comment.
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I've never had any experience with a BT Hub5A or Hub5B, so I am unable to comment.
Me neither, but the HH5B contains a BCM63268 which is practically the same as the BCM63168 -(source (https://www.linux-mips.org/archives/linux-mips/2016-04/msg00018.html)).
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Personally I'd prefer a Zyxel just for configuration benefits. The VMG1312-B10A do tend to be quite expensive atm, you are more likely to be able to pick up a VMG8324-B10A or VMG8924-B10A which are just as good. The reason some people go for the VMG1312-B10A is because of its box shape which is better if you wish to wall mount, whereas the other 2 are possibly better space savers if on a desk as they stand on end and have a small footprint.
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There's a vmg 8324B10A use on Ebay for a tesco tenner
ZyXEL VMG8324-B10A router... good condition... slight marks on unit from general display...All fittings, Cd, instructions, leads etc... full working order....Only selling as moving changed to BT package and new router.
From other items selling or sold are defo feminine, so can I be sure it is not locked something else about it.
Also a fellow member has pointed to an 8924 for around £20.
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There's a vmg 8324B10A use on Ebay for a tesco tenner ZyXEL VMG8324-B10A router... good condition... slight marks on unit from general display...All fittings, Cd, instructions, leads etc... full working order....Only selling as moving changed to BT package and new router.
From other items selling or sold are defo feminine, so can I be sure it is not locked something else about it.
Also a fellow member has pointed to an 8924 for around £20.
You can never be 100% about things bought from private sellers on eBay, but for £10 I would happily take a chance.
Also, it's very unlikely to be locked in a way that this forum can't help you deal with.
:)
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Also a fellow member has pointed to an 8924 for around £20.
If you look at the picture and at the seller description, it's actually a VMG1312-B10A :baby:
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Extract from seller's reply
Sorry I have no idea, and don’t know how I would find out, I’m not that much into technology. - I used it in the Hull area with Kingston Communications, and it worked perfectly.
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Her reply indicates worse knowledge than mine, and Zyxels are issued by KCOM.
Should anyone even think of that router, even if it is so cheap?
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If you look at the picture and at the seller description, it's actually a VMG1312-B10A :baby:
And I thought my Optician was better than Specsavers! :o
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Should anyone even think of that router, even if it is so cheap?
Yes, I would. :)
(There are many people within the Kitz forum community who could help . . . if help was required.)
Looking at the item (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ZyXEL-VMG8324-B10A-Router/223324774308), I see a ZyXEL VMG8324-B10A or a ZyXEL VMG8924-B10A. Without sight of the label on the rear of the unit I am unable to determine which it is . . .
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There is even a brand new, sealed in box, ZyXEL VMG8324-B10A (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ZyXEL-VMG8324-B10A-Wireless-Router-2-5GHz-5-0GHz-Fibre-New-in-sealed-box/333021910716) available as "Buy it Now" for £35-00.
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And I thought my Optician was better than Specsavers! :o
Is that one (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Zyxel-VMG8924-B10A-Wireless-Router-Boxed-Excellent-Condition/292919191593?hash=item4433582829:g:gRYAAOSw5EpcPMEC:rk:3:pf:0), right ?
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I've edited the post, thanks j0hn :thumbs:
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There is even a brand new, sealed in box, ZyXEL VMG8324-B10A (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ZyXEL-VMG8324-B10A-Wireless-Router-2-5GHz-5-0GHz-Fibre-New-in-sealed-box/333021910716) available as "Buy it Now" for £35-00.
Bargain! Fantastic device.
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Is that one, right ? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Zyxel-VMG8924-B10A-Wireless-Router-Boxed-Excellent-Condition/292919191593?hash=item4433582829:g:gRYAAOSw5EpcPMEC:rk:3:pf:0P.S.
Is there a way to embed a URL in a word ?
Yes
[url=www.sitehere.com]linky[/url]
will show as
linky (http://www.sitehere.com)
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P.S.
Is there a way to embed a URL in a word ?
Like this (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Zyxel-VMG8924-B10A-Wireless-Router-Boxed-Excellent-Condition/292919191593)? Yes, just use the [url][/url] tags or use the second icon, on the second row, above the compose/edit window.
[j0hn's fingers are faster than my paws! ;) ]
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There is even a brand new, sealed in box, ZyXEL VMG8324-B10A (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ZyXEL-VMG8324-B10A-Wireless-Router-2-5GHz-5-0GHz-Fibre-New-in-sealed-box/333021910716) available as "Buy it Now" for £35-00.
But marked as "listing ended":(
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But marked as "listing ended":(
Because somebody has purchased it in the time between me mentioning it and you looking!
Sorry but I cannot control the natural flow of time. :no:
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But marked as "listing ended":(
Try b*cats or hushcoden links ;)
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There is another used one (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ZyXEL-VMG8324-B10A-Wireless-Router-2-4GHz-5-0GHz/333021884770), listed as "buy it now", for £25-00.
Dither over it and it will be gone.
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I learnt some time last year that posting links to possibly cheap zyxel/etc devices on this forum resulted in them being snapped up or going for over the odds.
I guess this is the nexus for people interested in them. Maybe moving such discussion into the registered only places, or just keeping it between individuals would help? Not sure.
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Because somebody has purchased it in the time between me mentioning it and you looking!
Sorry but I cannot control the natural flow of time. :no:
Somehow aware of those domestic tiger eyes agleam, I knew that had to be it. ;D
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There's a vmg 8324B10A use on Ebay for a tesco tenner ZyXEL VMG8324-B10A router... good condition... slight marks on unit from general display...All fittings, Cd, instructions, leads etc... full working order....Only selling as moving changed to BT package and new router.
From other items selling or sold are defo feminine, so can I be sure it is not locked something else about it.
There was only one bid submitted and so I wonder who will eventually be taking delivery of the above device? :hmm:
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I thought to have commented on the tenner router, that it was a Hull (KCom's) issue item. Anyhow not me, but I have taken the plunge, buying a vmg 8324 @£25, now in post. :fingers:
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. . . I have taken the plunge, buying a vmg 8324 @£25, now in post. :fingers:
Thank you for clarifying. :)
There are those who will be able to assist you with your new purchase (if necessary) but as I have no experience of a VMG8324-B10A, any suggestions that I make will be of a general nature.
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If you look at the picture and at the seller description, it's actually a VMG1312-B10A :baby:
This one (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/zyxel-VMG8324-B10A/123604408038?hash=item1cc76596e6:g:m8kAAOSwHF1cDW9N:rk:1:pf:1) for £20?
Looks like a VMG8324-B10A to me, or was the previous reference to a sale I now cant find :-\
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It was this one.
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This one (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/zyxel-VMG8324-B10A/123604408038?hash=item1cc76596e6:g:m8kAAOSwHF1cDW9N:rk:1:pf:1) for £20?
Looks like a VMG8324-B10A to me, or was the previous reference to a sale I now cant find :-\
No, it was this one (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Zyxel-VMG8924-B10A-Wireless-Router-Boxed-Excellent-Condition/292919191593?hash=item4433582829:g:gRYAAOSw5EpcPMEC:rk:3:pf:0)
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Funny how a chipset change has such an effect, v1 was lovely. Does factory reset reverse firmware updates?
Anyone know what VDSL routers have Broadcom innards? Is list in DSL stats config u.t.d
sadly bait and switch is too common in computer electronics, make a good first model, get the good PR etc. then cost cutting for the 2nd model.
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The new toy should be here soon, but I think after coming on manny2003's (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,19186.0.html) 8 page thread, i am getting cold feet. Then I spotted this on password changing (https://www.zyxel.com/support/Zyxel-password-changing-procedure-20161213-v2.pdf), and I am not confident, how it might apply to a s/h item. :-\
Wish me luck!
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Then I spotted this on password changing (https://www.zyxel.com/support/Zyxel-password-changing-procedure-20161213-v2.pdf), . . .
That is a somewhat dated article and was written specifically for the ZyXEL ADSL-only CPE devices, their AMGnnnn series. It really isn't relevant, so please ignore it.
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..... i am getting cold feet..... :-\
Wish me luck!
renloup, these are good devices and there are a lot of people here who can help you with it, so please don't worry.
:)
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I shall second tubaman's statement and advice. :)
When the device arrives, please start a new thread with an appropriate title . . .
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Has arrived! new thread being created.
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