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Broadband Related => Broadband Hardware => Topic started by: Weggy on December 21, 2018, 05:54:10 PM

Title: G.Fast Modem
Post by: Weggy on December 21, 2018, 05:54:10 PM
Hi,

I recently upgraded to BTs ultrafast service of 100Mb+.

However my previous setup of a Huawei HG612 + Asus RT-AC5300 doesn't appear to function anymore, more specfically the HG612 modem.

So what I need to do is purchase a G.fast modem like the Huawei MT992 so I can get my router back in action and ditch this Ultrafast BT Home Hub I'm currently using. Could anyone help me with what modem to get? I don't want to splash out much on a modem, so basic function would be a winner.

Many Thanks
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: burakkucat on December 21, 2018, 06:09:05 PM
You are the second person, within the last couple of weeks, to ask that question. The ideal for you would be a Huawei MT992 . . . Unfortunately only one has been seen, so far, on eBay at a very inflated price. Perhaps keep a look out for an Openreach technician and do a trade -- bacon sandwiches for a MT992.  :-\

There are other devices which are G.Fast capable; one is by Asus. I don't recall the actual model, so perhaps other members will be able to assist?
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: psychopomp1 on December 22, 2018, 08:38:56 AM
If you're determined to get a standalone g.fast modem and can't find a MT992 on ebay, then consider buying a Zisa G100/G1000 from Ali Baba. They're around $55 and very similar to the MT992 (the Zisa's also use a BCM chipset).

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/G-fast-Solution-Zisa-G100-for_60719772503.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.11.6a261deeWW5wyg
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: burakkucat on December 22, 2018, 02:57:27 PM
Here is a link to the ZISA G100 G.Fast CPE datasheet (http://www.zisacom.com/admin/ewebeditor/uploadfile/20181205155753718.pdf).
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: smallal on December 28, 2018, 01:25:34 PM
Can I just point out that when having BT Ultrafast installed the Openreach engineers are usually more than happy to issue you with a MT992 as part of the install.
They usually have them on the van as they install for all ISPs & some non-BT installations still use the old (non-G.Fast) ISP issued routers via the MT992 modem.
But as the saying goes: if you don't ask you don't get.
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: Sniper on January 01, 2019, 04:03:41 PM
Dreytek also have one coming https://www.amazon.de/v165-B-DACH-Vigor-Supervectoring-Annex-B-at-CH/dp/B07KM8LH5X

I think only the 166 variant will be g.fast based on the PDF.

I emailed about it last week and got this:

Quote
We don't currently have a confirmed date for release, but we expect it to be in Q1 in 2019.
Its likely to support g.fast, but we'll confirm that before release.

@smallal I asked for the modem but the guy left the wrong one so been stuck with using the ultra hub.
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: j0hn on January 01, 2019, 09:47:03 PM
The DrayTek 2866 will support G.Fast.
I'm not aware of any other models that will, or they are keeping it a secret.

The model linked on Amazon above only does VDSL2 Profile 35b.

What PDF are you referring to?
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: underzone on January 01, 2019, 10:38:46 PM
"What PDF are you referring to?"

The one he has attached to the bottom of his post  :blush:
Datasheet Vigor160.pdf (99.12 kB)
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: Weggy on February 19, 2019, 01:16:45 PM
Has anyone seen any news regarding a release date for the Vigor160 or the Zyxel XMG5101-S10A in the UK?
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: burakkucat on February 19, 2019, 04:57:11 PM
I'm not aware, no. Sorry.
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: peggs on February 20, 2019, 06:27:11 PM
Mine might be available to reasonable offers. I just received a Technicolor DGA2231 to replace the MT992
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: Weggy on February 21, 2019, 08:02:33 AM
Dare I ask what reasonable is? :)
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: peggs on February 23, 2019, 08:48:20 AM
Once confirmed that I'm going to sell I will post on here.
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: j0hn on February 23, 2019, 12:45:38 PM
A 2nd MT992 just appeared on eBay

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Huawei-MT992-G-fast-Modem-Ultrafast-or-Gfast/333087770119

 :whistle:
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: peggs on February 23, 2019, 01:59:25 PM
Wow... That seems really expensive. Will never charge that much if I decide to sell...

Quote from: j0hn on February 23, 2019, 12:45:38 PM
A 2nd MT992 just appeared on eBay

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Huawei-MT992-G-fast-Modem-Ultrafast-or-Gfast/333087770119

 :whistle:
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: peggs on February 23, 2019, 06:39:30 PM
Another one appears
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Huawei-MT992-G-Fast-Modem/273724976760
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: Weggy on February 24, 2019, 07:56:04 PM
£284.99! Pff no chance
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: kitz on February 24, 2019, 07:59:38 PM
I just nearly fell off my chair.   
Who on earth would be crazy enough to pay that much!
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: Weggy on February 25, 2019, 08:48:12 AM
Yep I agree. All I want to be able to do is get my router back in action. But for that price! Cost more than my bloody Asus router.
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: Weggy on March 11, 2019, 01:25:44 PM
Update, I'm still hunting for a g.fast modem. I've seen zero updates and there is no stock from places like alibaba.  Has anyone else seen any updates relating to the release of G.fast modems in the UK?
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: Ronski on March 11, 2019, 03:50:16 PM
Quote from: kitz on February 24, 2019, 07:59:38 PM
I just nearly fell off my chair.   
Who on earth would be crazy enough to pay that much!

Try this one https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232719481647  :no:
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: kitz on March 11, 2019, 04:00:11 PM
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.emotionless.co.uk%2Femotes%2Fe%2Fomg2.gif&hash=38dcaad40587653b8238d51a6143b55a269abd26)
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: psychopomp1 on March 11, 2019, 10:10:50 PM
Quote from: kitz on February 24, 2019, 07:59:38 PM
I just nearly fell off my chair.   
Who on earth would be crazy enough to pay that much!

Maybe it was made out of solid gold?  :lol:
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: hushcoden on April 14, 2019, 05:47:12 PM
According to this user's guide (ftp://ftp.zyxel.com/VMG3927-B50A/user_guide/VMG3927-B50A_V1.0.pdf) ZyXEL has introduced two new router/modem, VMG3927-B50A (35b) and XMG3927-B50A (G.fast)...
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: smallal on April 18, 2019, 02:30:19 PM
The XMG3927-B50A G.Fast router has been released to the Swiss market, it costs about £140 (180 Swiss Francs)
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: hushcoden on May 01, 2019, 01:44:01 PM
And here the datasheet: ftp://ftp.zyxel.com/XMG3927-B50A/datasheet/XMG3927-B50A_1.pdf
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: underzone on May 01, 2019, 01:56:49 PM
AAISP are testing that model now:

https://support.aa.net.uk/Category:AA_Routers
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: adslmax on May 15, 2019, 11:16:19 AM
New g.fast added: Comtrend DS-GFR-9510

https://www.comtrend.com/dbase/upload-img/download/DS-GFR-9510_V1.0.1.pdf
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: BlueBox on June 24, 2019, 08:49:47 AM
I just got G.Fast and am struggling with there being no bridge mode option on the SmartHub modem provided. I have my own pfsense router and 3 unifi AP's around the house. Double NAT is causing issues with pfsense. The thought of disabling pfsense NAT and trying to do it with the BT Router doesn't sit comfortable with me.

I've started to create a spreadsheet of all G.Fast Modems and availability. It's not good, the only one I can find available right now is the ASUS DSL-AC88U.

I contacted a Zisa on Alibaba to buy the MT992/Zisa G100, but they are out of stock for 3-6 months. He said they have to wait till an ISP puts in a big order of about 5000 modems, then they can add our little orders to it. But he said they do have in stock the Zisa G800 modem/router which is currently being supplied by a Swiss ISP. Specification here (https://www.dropbox.com/s/0mgyekel3rg2bf9/ZISA%20G800-AC%20datasheet%20EN.pdf?dl=1). Only problem is I'd have to buy 10 and sell on the remainder.

I know I won't be the only one with this issue so am happy to try to sell on 9, but I'm not sure if this is what people want. Personally I just want a simple small cheap but reliable modem, I don't need the router part. Also to make it worth the effort I'd probably have to buy more than 10. I doubt people would want to pay close to £200 for this router/modem once shipping/VAT is added.

My current thoughts are to just buy the ASUS and wait for these modems below to actually become available. I am also going to call BT today and see if they will swap their Smart Hub for a business one which I've read elsewhere does have the bridging modem option, but I don't have much hope they will agree to that.

I'd be interested on your thoughts on the spec of the Zisa G800 and whether it is worth importing it.

This is a work in progress below just to record my research. I'm not sure if the bottom ones are compatible, but saw them mentioned on the Swisscom web site.

NameOther NamesTypeBridgingPriceMCT ApprovedAvailability
Huwaei MT992Zisa G100ModemYesYesOccasionally eBay 2nd hand. Alibaba from Zisa, but they are out of stock.
Zisa G800Zisa G800Modem/RouterYes$150NoNeed to buy 10 in bulk direct from Zisa. Price goes down the more I buy.
Technicolor DGA2231Modem/Router
ASUS DSL-AC88UModem/Router£250£100-150 used on eBay
Zinwell zGFS-1001CModem/Router
Technicolor TG799vac XtreamModem/Router
Alcatel-Lucent F-240WModem/Router
ASKEY – RTV1905VWModem/Router
Zyxel XMG5101-S10AModemYes
Comtrend GFR-9511UModem/Router
Comtrend GFR-9510Modem/Router
Draytek Vigor 166
ZyXEL XMG3927-B50A
ZyXEL XMG5563-B10A
Askey Internet Box 2 (Stargate V2)Swisscom
ADB Centro Business V2Swisscom
AVM Fritzbox 7530£139Amazon! Swisscom says compatible with G.Fast, but it is 35b type, not compatible for UK
AVM Fritzbox 7583£295Swisscom. Compatible, but not available yet. 329 Euros
Cisco C1112£1,400Swisscom
Cisco C1113£1,400Swisscom
Huawei StarplugSwisscom
Sagemcom Fast 5360Sagemcom F@st 5360Modem/Router
Askey– RTV1928VW
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: re0 on June 24, 2019, 01:07:51 PM
The XMG3927-B50A can be found for under £150 brand new here in the UK if you know where to look. :P

Yes, I know I'm not being very helpful. The place I know which is "selling" it isn't doing so officially yet; not listed on the store, unlikely to be stocking it yet - though can order in.
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: BlueBox on June 24, 2019, 01:21:14 PM
Quote from: re0 on June 24, 2019, 01:07:51 PM
The XMG3927-B50A can be found for under £150 brand new here in the UK if you know where to look. :P

Yes, I know I'm not being very helpful. The place I know which is "selling" it isn't doing so officially yet; not listed on the store, unlikely to be stocking it yet - though can order in.

Is it perhaps Andrews and Arnold Ltd? I know they are testing them (https://support.aa.net.uk/Category:ZyXEL_XMG3927_B50A), but not listed to purchase (https://www.aa.net.uk/broadband/buy-accessories/) yet.
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: hushcoden on June 24, 2019, 02:58:42 PM
Quote from: re0 on June 24, 2019, 01:07:51 PM
The XMG3927-B50A can be found for under £150 brand new here in the UK if you know where to look. :P

Yes, I know I'm not being very helpful. The place I know which is "selling" it isn't doing so officially yet; not listed on the store, unlikely to be stocking it yet - though can order in.
Do you mind sharing where to order it from ?
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: re0 on June 24, 2019, 04:02:43 PM
Quote from: BlueBox on June 24, 2019, 01:21:14 PM
Is it perhaps Andrews and Arnold Ltd? I know they are testing them (https://support.aa.net.uk/Category:ZyXEL_XMG3927_B50A), but not listed to purchase (https://www.aa.net.uk/broadband/buy-accessories/) yet.
Affirmative.
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: nagug on July 13, 2019, 10:55:20 AM
Any body got luck in finding an economical gfast modem ?

Any body tried ASUS DSL AC88U. Can’t find any report yet whether it works with BT or in UK for G.fast.

Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: j0hn on July 13, 2019, 12:27:07 PM
The Asus DSL-AC88U definitely works in the U.K..
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: BlueBox on July 13, 2019, 02:15:51 PM
Quote from: nagug on July 13, 2019, 10:55:20 AM
Any body got luck in finding an economical gfast modem ?

Any body tried ASUS DSL AC88U. Can’t find any report yet whether it works with BT or in UK for G.fast.

That's what I ended buying. Massive beast, totally overkill, but the only option at the moment.

I spoke to one of the openreach engineers about buying one from him. He said he had loads in his van, but he showed me his tablet with the work order on it, it actually says provide modem yes/no. I offered him £100, but he said he was worried it would come back to him and he'd get in trouble. Can't blame him really, I'd do the same.
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: adslmax on July 17, 2019, 04:10:11 PM
@re0

My brand new ZyXEL XMG3927-B50A are coming to my house tomorrow all thanks to Shaun from A&A ISP after pay it by my debit card. But, they told me they will not support to set it up for me for G.fast service unless I order the service from them. But, I told him that I will use this new router for FTTC for now until my contract has expired in October with PN. Then will order G.fast with Zen Internet and will use this new ZyXEL XMG3927-B50A for G.fast.

But until later, I might need you (re0) to help me what the correct settings for FTTC & G.fast like PTM, VPI, VCI, Encapsulation, VLAN ID etc and where to put username / password from ISP for broadband account.
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: psychopomp1 on July 17, 2019, 04:31:26 PM
Quote from: adslmax on July 17, 2019, 04:10:11 PM
My brand new ZyXEL XMG3927-B50A are coming to my house tomorrow all thanks to Shaun from A&A ISP after pay it by my debit card. But, they told me they will not support to set it up for me for G.fast service unless I order the service from them. But, I told him that I will use this new router for FTTC for now until my contract has expired in October with PN. Then will order G.fast with Zen Internet and will use this new ZyXEL XMG3927-B50A for G.fast.

But on TBB you said you ordered g.fast from Zen yesterday?  ??? Unless there's another adslmax on this planet?  :lol:

https://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/4621742-any-gfast-ultrafast-users-here-part-2.html#Post4621742
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: re0 on July 17, 2019, 04:47:21 PM
Quote from: adslmax on July 17, 2019, 04:10:11 PM
But until later, I might need you (re0) to help me what the correct settings for FTTC & G.fast like PTM, VPI, VCI, Encapsulation, VLAN ID etc and where to put username / password from ISP for broadband account.
Should be pretty straight forward. If I remember correctly, the device was relaitvely simple to setup.

For stuff like VLAN ID, encapsulation, etc.:
Plusnet (https://www.plus.net/help/broadband/broadband-connection-settings/#what-settings-should-i-use-for-fibre-broadband)
Zen (https://support.zen.co.uk/kb/Knowledgebase/ZyXEL-VMG8924-Fibre-Optic-VDSL-Broadband-Setup) (guide for ZyXEL VMG8924, but the same principle; MTU 1500 bytes possible)
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: adslmax on July 17, 2019, 05:08:38 PM
Thanks re0 for this  :fingers: :)
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: Weggy on December 18, 2019, 12:13:49 PM
Well I got one, but now I'm selling it as I'm moving lol

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303407534434

 ;D
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: hushcoden on December 18, 2019, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: Weggy on December 18, 2019, 12:13:49 PM
Well I got one, but now I'm selling it as I'm moving lol

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303407534434

 ;D
Is it unlocked, e.g. can you get router stats ?
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: underzone on December 18, 2019, 08:43:59 PM
Does it support MTU 1500, like the old HG612 did?
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: Weggy on December 18, 2019, 09:54:34 PM
Nope, as far as I know the MT992 hasnt been cracked yet, has it?
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: burakkucat on December 18, 2019, 09:57:48 PM
Quote from: Weggy on December 18, 2019, 09:54:34 PM
Nope, as far as I know the MT992 hasnt been cracked yet, has it?

Correct. To date, no one has donated the relevant device to those persons able to do so.
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: underzone on December 19, 2019, 09:29:33 AM
Did you test whether it supports MTU 1500?

Thanks
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: Weggy on December 19, 2019, 08:22:33 PM
Dont know, sorry
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: adslmax on December 19, 2019, 08:34:26 PM
I got g.fast openreach modem. Useless locked modem as it can't be unlocked
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: underzone on December 19, 2019, 08:50:48 PM
Yep, but can it do MTU 1500?
Get it on ebay Max, they sell for £150+
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: Weggy on December 19, 2019, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: underzone on December 19, 2019, 08:50:48 PM
Yep, but can it do MTU 1500?
Get it on ebay Max, they sell for £150+

Sorry I'm not following you. What do you mean?
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: underzone on December 19, 2019, 10:30:19 PM
FYI: https://support.aa.net.uk/MTU
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: smallal on January 17, 2020, 02:14:55 PM
Zyxel XMG3927-B50A works fine on my BT Ultrafast 330 service.
A little tricky to source here in the UK, initial stocks seem to have gone, so I got mine from a German seller.
Cost was about £150 delivered.
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: adslmax on January 27, 2020, 01:49:37 AM
Zyxel XMG3927-B50A are a beauty one! Best router for G.fast.  ;D
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on January 27, 2020, 11:55:11 AM
Quote from: adslmax on January 27, 2020, 01:49:37 AM
Zyxel XMG3927-B50A are a beauty one! Best router for G.fast.  ;D

Isn't it pretty much the ONLY router you can get hold of for G.fast?  :P
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: smallal on January 27, 2020, 09:36:53 PM
To be fair the ASUS DSL-AC88U has been around for ages now, but I avoided it due to the initial high cost & it's buggy firmware.
I borrowed one a while back, but no matter what settings I entered or what firmware version I ran I couldn't get multicast to work with BT TV.
It seemed to be a bandwidth problem, SD feeds ok, HD feeds stuttered & UHD pictures were just a green mess, all worked fine using BT's router.
I think many manufacturers think G.Fast is a bit of a damp squib so they are looking to FTTP as the next big thing, skipping releasing G.Fast models altogether.
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: fat jez on January 29, 2020, 08:50:45 PM
Quote from: smallal on January 27, 2020, 09:36:53 PM
I think many manufacturers think G.Fast is a bit of a damp squib so they are looking to FTTP as the next big thing, skipping releasing G.Fast models altogether.

Entirely possible. The Draytek modem was supposed to be out last year, not seen sight nor sound of it.
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: adslmax on May 28, 2023, 10:49:00 PM
Quote from: Alex Atkin UK on January 27, 2020, 11:55:11 AM
Isn't it pretty much the ONLY router you can get hold of for G.fast?  :P

Been using it for VDSL2 for the whole 12 months with UnchainedISP. (no DLM trigger in 12 months) very pleased overall.

Code: [Select]
xdslctl info --stats
xdslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason:    0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 29103 Kbps, Downstream rate = 96080 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 79999 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        8.8             10.5
Attn(dB):        11.1            0.0
Pwr(dBm):        12.5           -0.6

Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: j0hn on May 29, 2023, 11:24:37 AM
Quote from: adslmax on May 28, 2023, 10:49:00 PM
Been using it for VDSL2 for the whole 12 months with UnchainedISP. (no DLM trigger in 12 months) very pleased overall.

You've bumped a 3 year old thread?
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: adslmax on May 29, 2023, 01:33:35 PM
Quote from: j0hn on May 29, 2023, 11:24:37 AM
You've bumped a 3 year old thread?

Oh dear me didn't know this thread is three years old.  :no:
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: GigabitEthernet on May 29, 2023, 02:14:00 PM
Is G.Fast still being sold?
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: adslmax on May 29, 2023, 02:34:49 PM
Quote from: GigabitEthernet on May 29, 2023, 02:14:00 PM
Is G.Fast still being sold?

Yes, via Pulse8 (no contract for G.fast 330/50 @£57.00 a month) Must use your own G.fast router with one off activation fee £79.50
via UnchainedISP (12 months contract for G.fast 330/50 @£56.99 a month) Free openreach G.fast modem (think it no longer now by Openreach) and free activation fee
via BT Fibre 250 (G.fast) 330/50 (12 months contract @ £55.99 a month) with BT Hub 2 (£29.99 P&P with activation fee)
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: meritez on May 30, 2023, 01:48:29 PM
Quote from: GigabitEthernet on May 29, 2023, 02:14:00 PM
Is G.Fast still being sold?

Yes, unfortunately.
Title: Re: G.Fast Modem
Post by: adslmax on May 30, 2023, 01:56:38 PM
Quote from: meritez on May 30, 2023, 01:48:29 PM
Yes, unfortunately.

 :-X but I will never go back to G.fast ever again! Happy with UnchainedISP SoGEA 80/20. Very reliable for 12 months now with no issues or no DLM.  ;D