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Broadband Related => Broadband Hardware => Topic started by: renluop on December 02, 2018, 03:38:07 PM
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Sorry for another trite OP!
On Friday I set up the new AiO Cannon printer and set up its wireless link to router and computer. Yesterday my wife hassled me because she couldn't use her tablet, and I found for whatever most likely unconnected reason, I could not get on to the net. Using troubleshooters was useless, but my ISP was not down ( asked my daughter). Only one of the troubleshooter items may have given a clue doesn't have valid IP configuration/address
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I swapped out the Billion and immediately everything works.
Are yesterday's travails just one of those things, or related to, say, the router failing in some way? If not, ho do I deal with the troubleshooter message?
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Probably not failing, but either dhcpd was turned off or it had a software incompatibility with the printer via the implementation/configuration.
People seem to think routers can "gradually" fail, I would expect them to either work or be completely broken on a hardware level.
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I don't understand about dhcpd, but I would not done anything off my own back to turn it off.
I am baffled. With the Billion I cannot connect, but I see that the control panel has the network-unidentified, although the network list showed Billion connected but no available internet. TNCAP is something nearby. I think it's the entry for Canon (refers to my AiO), which confuses me, why it's there, and I never had such with the MG6800. I can not see how to get rid of it, and don't know if it would solve my problem. With the PN Hub in situ there's no sign of the Canon open connection,
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did you assign the network to a group (private or work)?
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I took no known action to that end. I never did with old AiO.
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It will stay unidentified I believe unless you assign it. Usually windows will prompt you when it see's a new network.
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I've given up the struggle, and am exiting on the PN one, so I'm needing a new VDSL/ADSL router.
While It's necessary, some recommended on here are a bit on the dear side new, and I don't fancy buying s/h unless seller is considered reliable (not Ebay or similar opinions).
Please, will someone update on what Broadcom router I should consider under £100. that would give similar performance to the 8800NL?
My line is clobbered by crosstalk; something known for coping well also preferred.
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Save some money, if you happy with the plusnet router functions click the link in my sig and setup the 8800nl as a bridge device for your plusnet router.
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It's an idea :), but with limited space I prefer all in combined. My spending preferences are not from needing to save, but choice of what I think is worthwhile or not.
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Have you had a look in the BB Hardware Swap Shop, there's a few XyXEL's available there, various models, unfortunately no 1312-B10A's which seem to be at a premium.
I have previously bought 2 S/H routers from reputable forum members via this source without any issues.
You may well find that some of the "currently available" items have actually been sold, I found this to be the case recently when looking for a S/H ZyXEL 1312-B10D for a spare, unfortunately not all of the posts have been updated, still worth a PM to the member should you be interested in any particular item.
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I see both a Billion 8800NL, which is what is what this thread is about, and a ZyXEL VMG3925-B10B.
Apart from the latter's dual band, what are the members' opinions of the two models?
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The latter is an excellent modem/router. I have one in full modem/router mode as a backup for my normal two-device setup.
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Just seen on Ebay Zyxel Wireless N VDSL2 4-port Gateway with USB [VMG1312-B10A-GB02V1F] under £75, decribed as New: A brand-new, unused, unopened and undamaged item in original retail packaging (where packaging is applicable). If the item comes direct from a manufacturer, it may be delivered in non-retail packaging, such as a plain or unprinted box or plastic bag.
I am tempted, should I yield to that temptation unreservedly? What chip abides within?
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If you are looking for an AiO device (modem/router) then I'd go for a Zyxel VMG8924-B10A (or VMG8324-B10A if you don't need/want 5Ghz wireless).
They have the same Broadcom chipset and line filter circuitry as the VMG1312-B10A and are available a lot cheaper on eBay etc.
The VMG1312-B10A is a top device if you want to use it in modem only mode, but it's a bit low on features as an AiO (eg LAN ports are only 10/100).
:)
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I'd be satisfied with something with similar characteristics as my seemingly broken Billion 8800NL.
And, truth be told, I prefer "new", unless sure of the seller.
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I'd be satisfied with something with similar characteristics as my seemingly broken Billion 8800NL.
And, truth be told, I prefer "new", unless sure of the seller.
Then I'd look for a VMG8324-B10A - "new" should be available for a lot less than £75 on eBay.
:)
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Just found Kitz's 2014 review and that was good https://kitz.co.uk/routers/zyxel_VMG8324-B10A_review.htm, bar for the problem of setting up VDSL with Quickstart. A good guide was given, but since then has the firmware been upgraded to avoid that necessity; anyone know?
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Afraid I've not used Quickstart on my VMG8924, and it's on the line right now so I can't really experiment.
Personally I wouldn't worry about that as they are easy enough to set-up as per Kitz's guide.
:)
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Well, that's life for me! There seems to be a dearth of cheap, new condition vmg8324 routers on Ebay, rather more 8924s.
Voip is another matter; whether the befits would ever outweigh the hassle for us two oldies, whose calls around 25/month are contained in my Plusnet Anytime call plan. I know that I can leave that service alone, but are there similar routers without Voip?
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If an 8924 is available at a price you're happy with then get one of those.
They're just an 8324 with a 5GHz wireless module added, everything else is identical.
:)
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It's me, but I cannot rid myself of uncertainty over Ebay, even though my offspring have used it, but for run of mill items not tec. How do the sellers get their brand new boxed routers to offer? :-\
I'll mull on, but what could be available new under the £100 mark with Broadcom chipset to go with Huwaei cabinet and DSLstats on my crosstalk clobbered line? How inferior is the 8800NL r2 to the r1?
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I admit that you do take a bit of a chance with tech on eBay, but if something is not as the seller described it eBay will nearly always favour on the buyers side and refund your money.
I've had a lot of very good buys from there.
:)
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I know it fails the under £100 requirement, but what about the Billion 8900X R3? (just over £140 on Amazon, 1 left in stock...)
It's basically the same as my 8900AX-2400 but without the wi-fi, and the 8900AX is rock-solid - current uptime is 208 days (and that was only because I powered it off to tidy up cables) and it never, ever loses sync even on my long, crappy error-prone line. I've tried a Zyxel 8924 and it was no more (or less) reliable, but did have some annoying DNS-related "features" that work fine on the Billion.
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GaryW Thanks for joining in, but we do have articles needing WiFi.
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Just spotted a like new "Billion BiPAC 7800DXL Triple WAN Dual Band Wireless N Gigabit ADSL2+/Fibre 3G/4G LTE Broadband Router with USB Port" Amazon Warehouse deal at less than £75. I'm tempted.
Comments on the item?
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No VDSL2! :no:
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I'm confused! What type of fibre is it in the description I posted?
Broadband Buyer describes it Billion BiPAC 7800DXL Triple-WAN Simultaneous Dual-Band WiFi ADSL2+/FTTC Router w/ 3G/4G LTE Support (600Mbps N)
7800DXL
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sorry my bad :-[ yes your right it does include fttc
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The 7800DXL supports Fibre in the sense it has an Ethernet WAN port for you to connect a Fibre modem.
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sorry my bad :-[ yes your right it does include fttc
You were right the first time - it is ADSL only. As ejs has pointed out FTTC needs a separate modem which plugs in to the WAN port.
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My saviours! :angel: :angel: That's another fine mess I nearly got my self into!
BTW, has anyone any comment on my mention a few posts back about the Billion 8800NL R2?
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Would a TP Link VR400 fit ... this has the broadcom BCM63168 £65 at Currys
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If you're sure about that, I'll have a look. OT it's a pity Kitz's Broadcom list may need updating, but no reflection on her is intended.
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I did find this on an italian site
TP Link VR400 v2
3 non-removable external antennas;
CPU: Broadcom BCM63168 (dual core @ 400 MHz);
RAM memory: 128 MB;
flash memory: 16 MB;
wireless chipset: Broadcom BCM63168 (@ 2.4 GHz) + Broadcom BCM4360 (@ 5 GHz);
modem chipset: Broadcom BCM63168;
ADSL2 + / VDSL2 standards
beamforming technology;
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If you're sure about that, I'll have a look. OT it's a pity Kitz's Broadcom list may need updating, but no reflection on her is intended.
I assume you mean the black one with three antennae; there is a cheaper N version, different outline in white with two.Does anyone wish to comment?
Veering OT a bit is a section of a Broadband Buyer review o be honest, despite having 3 aerials, the wifi signal strength doesn't seem to be any better than a bog-standard PlusNet Technicolor router
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Can the antennae be detached. They may seem overpowering on my crowded desk.
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The antennas are non removable... The only dark cloud is stat collection :(
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You mean it won't work (well) with DSLStats? Can you expand, please?
I see from specs that with the antennae it's 9.5" high. :o Quite obtrusive. :D
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TP-Link tend to block the stats DslStats need to look at.
I don't have any experience of them myself though.
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I wonder, has roseway any comment on that?
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I'm not familiar with this model, but if the telnet interface is blocked or limited then DSLstats will not be able to work with it.
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Thanks.
I am putting myself out of misery. It may not be the best in some eyes, but Billion 8800NL r2 seems easiest for me.
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Massive boo from me.
Have you tried performing a full factory reset on the existing Billion?
Is the only issue with the Billion 8800NL problems connecting to a Windows machine?
If so
Select the Start button, then select Settings > Network & Internet > Status > Network reset.
On the Network reset screen, select Reset now > Yes to confirm.
Wait for your PC to restart and see if that fixes the problem.
No idea how to reset the Billion but I'd assume it has a reset button that you poke a pin in while the unit is on.
Hold it in till the unit restarts.
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j0hn, I have done the reset. Why wouldn't I have?
All lights come on bar the internet, with plugged LAN and the WAN flickering spasmodically slowly. Adapter settings show, whether using Ethernet or Wi-Fi, unknown or not network. As Windows Network Diagnosis can't cure, but the PN router doesn't suffer same problem. It cannot be the network adapters, else neither router would function. My conclusion, the Billion is knackered.
As to that massive boo, I'll add 'hoo', as I don't like spending money. Who does? Order is placed, and I'll live with it.
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My saviours! :angel: :angel: That's another fine mess I nearly got my self into!
BTW, has anyone any comment on my mention a few posts back about the Billion 8800NL R2?
I have a Billion 8800NL R2 running on my daughters rather noisy VDSL2 line for close to 2 years, was about to write it off a few months ago as it was frequently re-booting, having substituted the PSU without success I was fairly sure it was a hardware fault, however, Billion had come up with a software fix and it has been rock steady ever since.
Original thread here: https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,14377.msg383979.html#msg383979
Saga continues here: https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,22526.msg383987.html#msg383987
I accept that the preference on the forum is for the 8800NL R1, I also run this model on my son's VDSL2 line which is in a much quieter location on a very low density FTTC cabinet with a much shorter (copper) line so can't really make a direct comparison with each units performance, both are fitted with RPi Zero W's running DSLStats which goes back to the good old MDWS days.
Yes, there are certainly better modem/routers available but I have found both the 8800NL R1 & 2 are perfectly adequate for the applications in which they are currently deployed, however, by choice, I use a ZyXEL VMG1312-B10A on my home line which as already expressed in this thread is very highly regarded by many forum members.
[Moderator edited to clarify the model.]
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digits x'd then. On other forums I scented that some had found Zyxels awkward to set up.That and not feeling comfy with Ebay / being careful with £s decided me.