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Broadband Related => Broadband Hardware => Topic started by: nfxcr3w on December 01, 2018, 11:22:14 AM
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First off i'd like to say im new to the Kitz Scene and 2nd off i'll be ordering the Zyxel VMG1312-B10A on Monday and would like to know which is the best firmware to use.
And is there anything i should tweak on it before i get it? as im still rocking a unlocked hg612 and feel like it's getting long in the tooth these days.
I remember trying a BCM63168 Chipset on my line before and it was amazing but unfortunately that died so looking in to the zyxel range since it seems a very popular topic in the kitz forum right now. I'm on a Huawei Cabinet
Thank you :)
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What router do you use and does it support a 1508 MTU?
Who is your ISP?
If it supports 1508 MTU it may be worth installing a modified version of the zyxel firmware that supports 1508 MTU (also known as baby jumbo frames/RFC4638)
If it doesn't support this then I would recommend the most recent firmware release from zyxel.
Where have you bought the modem from and do you know if it is an ex-ISP issued modem or a retail model?
It might be necessary to obtain the Supervisor password to clear any ISP settings.
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I use the netduma r1 gaming router not sure if it supports baby jumbo frames but my isp is talktalk and it will be a retail version i'll be buying. If it's a retail version would i still need to make it vanilla zyxel? Thanks for getting back in touch.
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Welcome to the Kitz forum. :)
. . . it will be a retail version i'll be buying. If it's a retail version would i still need to make it vanilla zyxel?
I would routinely clear the ROM-D and ensure that the device is vanilla flavoured, even if it is a retail version.
With your current hardware setup, just go to the LetMeCheck.it MTU test page (http://www.letmecheck.it/mtu-test.php) and see what it reports. The HG612, in its default configuration as a pure bridging modem, does support baby jumbo frames. So if your router is capable, it would then be sensible to use the modified ZyXEL firmware image for your new VMG1312-B10A.
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With your current hardware setup, just go to the LetMeCheck.it MTU test page and see what it reports.
That's a handy little utility, not seen that before, thanks for the link, suitably filed away for future reference.
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That's a handy little utility, not seen that before, thanks for the link, suitably filed away for future reference.
It was Weaver who recently introduced me to it, a week or so ago.
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Welcome to the Kitz forum. :)
I would routinely clear the ROM-D and ensure that the device is vanilla flavoured, even if it is a retail version.
With your current hardware setup, just go to the LetMeCheck.it MTU test page (http://www.letmecheck.it/mtu-test.php) and see what it reports. The HG612, in its default configuration as a pure bridging modem, does support baby jumbo frames. So if your router is capable, it would then be sensible to use the modified ZyXEL firmware image for your new VMG1312-B10A.
Thanks for that i did the test and at the end it says The maximum MTU size for x.x.x.x is: 1500 Any steps on clearing the rom so when i get it that will be the first thing i do thank you. :) Also you mentioned "routinely clear the ROM-D" So do i have to keep doing it if i needed to factory reset the VMG1312-B10A after a firmware update? sorry im still a bit new to this.
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A warm welcome. I have seven or eight B10As, four in use plus a load of spares.
I would recommend our very own Kitizen "Johnson’s" latest firmware. Someone can find you a link to download, from a previous thread about Kitz contribuors’ own hand-built custom firmware.
Any trouble finding it and I can help.
I use my device as a modem only, wireless and router functions disabled. The version built by our own Johnson which I am using gives full 1508 byte MTU (1500 + 8) in modem-only mode with PPPoE. You can use this if all of the following three things, your router, the link between router and modem, and the ISP’s link to the internet all support MTU 1508. (I used to use an old BT 20CN exchange with ADSL, and got caught out because BT’s 20CN kit doesn’t support MTU 1508.)
This custom firmware I’m using also has a built-in second mini webserver which is a graphing, logging and stats info server. It gives you a picture of a graph of 24 hours of SNR history in a web page and you can ask it for various pages of stats via http. The graphing and history logging is superb and the convenience is great because there is no login needed so it’s one-click. (No security downside as it’s just displaying harmless info and you can’t access anything you shouldn’t be able to.) its recently revealed lurking problems that I never knew about until I had the graphing. Without this, I would have had to know somehow to be logging in all the time and recording measurements at various times and writing them all down. And there’s no reason that I would have ever had a reason to do such recording unless I had had an attack of curiosity for some reason.
You can get all the source code inspect it and build it yourself for reassurance.
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A warm welcome. I have seven or eight B10As, four in use plus a load of spares.
I would recommend our very own Kitizen "Johnson’s" latest firmware. Someone can find you a link to download, from a previous thread about Kitz contribuors’ own hand-built custom firmware.
Any trouble finding it and I can help.
I use my device as a modem only, wireless and router functions disabled. The version built by our own Johnson which I am using gives full 1508 byte MTU (1500 + 8) in modem-only mode with PPPoE. You can use this if all of the following three things, your router, the link between router and modem, and the ISP’s link to the internet all support MTU 1508. (I used to use an old BT 20CN exchange with ADSL, and got caught out because BT’s 20CN kit doesn’t support MTU 1508.)
This custom firmware I’m using also has a built-in second mini webserver which is a graphing, logging and stats info server. It gives you a picture of a graph of 24 hours of SNR history in a web page and you can ask it for various pages of stats via http. The graphing and history logging is superb and the convenience is great because there is no login needed so it’s one-click. (No security downside as it’s just displaying harmless info and you can’t access anything you shouldn’t be able to.) its recently revealed lurking problems that I never knew about until I had the graphing. Without this, I would have had to know somehow to be logging in all the time and recording measurements at various times and writing them all down. And there’s no reason that I would have ever had a reason to do such recording unless I had had an attack of curiosity for some reason.
You can get all the source code inspect it and build it yourself for reassurance.
Thank you Weaver, All the much help needed il be ordering it on Monday and get it by Tuesday will be my first Zyxel. I've seen what the BCM63168 can do and it's incredible since the HG612 gives me 4mb lower than a BCM63168 which gives me 4mb higher on the max attenuation. I've heard good things about this Zyxel just fingers crossed it lives up to the hype. :)
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If you’re using FTTC, then it might be that the B10A won’t be any better than some of the other modems such as the inferior B10D, because I’m told that the superiority of the B10A is in the modem department because if a posh input filter at the analog front end although ?I don’t know any details only what I have been told by other Kitz members. I am using extremely long and very very slow ADSL lines and so I need the posh modem. If your line is superb anyway the modem’s abilities might be irrelevant.
The other factor is the match between your modem and the kit at the other end. I got a superb improvement because my exchange DSLAMs are Broadcom too, same as this modem so they both speak a Broadcom-specific proprietary protocol called ‘PhyR’ for ADSL2, which gives hugely improved reliability and effectively more speed, because you can risk pushing the modems harder. It’s the same thing roughly as the G.INP standard protocol, both are link error correction systems that work by retransmissions of small parts of messages as needed, so no corrupted packets.
Other people have reported good things if they match modems with kit at the other end for other, unknown reasons. And it may not always be the case that Broadcom is best if you have the wrong kit at the far end, according to the grapevine. On the other hand, iirc, Kitz was skeptical about this matching thing though.
If someone could help me dig out the link to the firmware it will save me a job, or having to post it up myself.
We have some serious ZyXEL modem experts here. I am not one of them, am asking for advice about it all the time.
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If you’re using FTTC, then it might be that the B10A won’t be any better than some of the other modems such as the inferior B10D, because I’m told that the superiority of the B10A is in the modem department because if a posh input filter at the analog front end although ?I don’t know any details only what I have been told by other Kitz members. I am using extremely long and very very slow ADSL lines and so I need the posh modem. If your line is superb anyway the modem’s abilities might be irrelevant.
The other factor is the match between your modem and the kit at the other end. I got a superb improvement because my exchange DSLAMs are Broadcom too, same as this modem so they both speak a Broadcom-specific proprietary protocol called ‘PhyR’ for ADSL2, which gives hugely improved reliability and effectively more speed, because you can risk pushing the modems harder. It’s the same thing roughly as the G.INP standard protocol, both are link error correction systems that work by retransmissions of small parts of messages as needed, so no corrupted packets.
Other people have reported good things if they match modems with kit at the other end for other, unknown reasons. And it may not always be the case that Broadcom is best if you have the wrong kit at the far end, according to the grapevine. On the other hand, iirc, Kitz was skeptical about this matching thing though.
If someone could help me dig out the link to the firmware it will save me a job, or having to post it up myself.
We have some serious ZyXEL modem experts here. I am not one of them, am asking for advice about it all the time.
Isn't the B10D a BCM63381 Chipset? i've had a BCM63381 Chipset before it was causing major SNR Drops so now im staying away from them and focusing more on the BCM63168 Chipsets since they feel more stable. im on FTTC 80MB Package getting the full 79,999 :)
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The BCM63168 and the common mode noise filter makes the difference in performance between the 1312-b10A/B on FTTC very noticeable.
It isn't only better for ADSL by a long mile.
The BCM63381 having the 3 as the 3rd digit shows this is in Broadcoms budget range.
The OP has a 1500 MTU but note that he is Talktalk FTTC residential and they use IPoE so no PPP.
Can you try setting 1508 MTU on your router?
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The BCM63168 and the common mode noise filter makes the difference in performance between the 1312-b10A/B on FTTC very noticeable.
It isn't only better for ADSL by a long mile.
The BCM63381 having the 3 as the 3rd digit shows this is in Broadcoms budget range.
The OP has a 1500 MTU but note that he is Talktalk FTTC residential and they use IPoE so no PPP.
Can you try setting 1508 MTU on your router?
Tried that it said MTU Size Invalid
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> It isn't only better for ADSL by a long mile.
That’s good to know, thanks J0hn. I was thinking about long lines not ADSL vs VDSL2. It’s good to know it’s a common mode filter too, I didn’t even know that much before, thanks again.
That should be ‘try an MTU of 1500 for IP’, it’s only 1500+8 for IP+PPP+PPPoE. Referring to the sizes of to different things, IP only or IP plus a PPP+PPPoE wrapper, doesn’t apply if you are not using PPP. You should be able to set an IP MTU of 1500 maybe.
But will possibly need our Johnson’s custom firmware for the B10A if using PPPoEoE on the LAN side, between modem and router, for the modem to be able to handle 1508 byte IP+PPP+PPPoE, and the modem and router will both need to be able to cope with that. No point much trying it without the good firmware.
If there is no PPPoE over Ethernet over PTM over VDSL2 on the FTTC link then that extra overhead is not there on that side.
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> It isn't only better for ADSL by a long mile.
That’s good to know, thanks J0hn. I was thinking about long lines not ADSL vs VDSL2. It’s good to know it’s a common mode filter too, I didn’t even know that much before, thanks again.
That should be ‘try an MTU of 1500 for IP’, it’s only 1500+8 for IP+PPP+PPPoE. Referring to the sizes of to different things, IP only or IP plus a PPP+PPPoE wrapper, doesn’t apply if you are not using PPP. You should be able to set an IP MTU of 1500 maybe.
But will possibly need our Johnson’s custom firmware for the B10A if using PPPoEoE on the LAN side, between modem and router, for the modem to be able to handle 1508 byte IP+PPP+PPPoE, and the modem and router will both need to be able to cope with that. No point much trying it without the good firmware.
If there is no PPPoE over Ethernet over PTM over VDSL2 on the FTTC link then that extra overhead is not there on that side.
Thanks for this sounds all a bit confusing to me someone mentioned the HG612 uses Baby Jumbo Frames but i think the router side only handles 1500 Bytes when i get it ill clear the ROM-D then put johnsons firmware on. I knew when i was on BT they used PPPoE but had to leave them since my speed kept flucturating alot from 75mb to 10mb in the evening which caused major ping spikes while gaming. So now on talktalk which has been more than stable.
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. . . you mentioned "routinely clear the ROM-D" So do i have to keep doing it if i needed to factory reset the VMG1312-B10A after a firmware update?
Sorry, my statement was a little imprecise. Whenever I obtain a (new to me) ZyXEL VMGnnnn-B series device, one of the first steps i take is to clear the ROM-D. Thus the clearing of the ROM-D is one of the steps I perform, by routine. ;)
Unless data is explicitly saved there (or is uploaded to that location) then once cleared the ROM-D remains cleared.
[Edited to fix typo.]
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Sorry, my statement was a little imprecise. Whenever I obtain a (new to me) ZyXEL VMGnnnn-B series device, one of the first steps i take is to clear the ROM-D. Thus the clearing of the ROM-D is one of the steps I perform, by routine. ;)
Unless data is explicitly saved there (or is uploaded to that location) then once cleared the ROM-D remains cleared.
[Edited to fix typo.]
Thanks for that i think i understand now. :) And how would one go about clearing the ROM-D? Thank you.
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If someone could help me dig out the link to the firmware it will save me a job, or having to post it up myself.
I can certainly provide the link (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,21273.0.html) to the seventeen page thread (titled "BCM63168 Modems that Support Baby Jumbo Frames (Bridge Mode)") which covers the entire discussion and creation of johnson's own modified firmware images.
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. . . how would one go about clearing the ROM-D?
If logged into the "supervisor" account via the GUI there is a menu option to perform the deed, otherwise via the CLI (ssh or telnet) the magic incantation is "save_default clean".
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I can certainly provide the link (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,21273.0.html) to the seventeen page thread (titled "BCM63168 Modems that Support Baby Jumbo Frames (Bridge Mode)") which covers the entire discussion and creation of johnson's own modified firmware images.
Just to make sure i got this right is this the correct one? 1.00(AAJZ.14)C0 + Jumbo Frames? Thank you Burakkucat
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If logged into the "supervisor" account via the GUI there is a menu option to perform the deed, otherwise via the CLI (ssh or telnet) the magic incantation is "save_default clean".
Thank you Burakkucat means a lot is it hard to obtain the Supervisor password?
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. . . is it hard to obtain the Supervisor password?
For a VMG1312-B10A it is quite simple. It would be best if you look at the various topics here (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/board,53.0.html). (For example, this post (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,22768.msg387020.html#msg387020) should help.)
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Just to make sure i got this right is this the correct one? 1.00(AAJZ.14)C0 + Jumbo Frames?
I think so but as I don't use the customised firmware perhaps Weaver (or A.N.Other) would be able to confirm?
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You do NOT need modified MTU firmware.
As you use Talktalk FTTC you already have full 1500 byte MTU.
The issue with other ISP's is they use PPP which uses 8 bytes.
This means they can be limited to an MTU of 1500 - 8 (PPP) = 1492.
The modified firmware created by OliPro on Github, and then more recent versions being built by Johnson here on kitz, allows those using PPP (PPPoE) to have a 1500 MTU (1500 + 8 for PPP = 1508 bridged over the modem) rather than being limited to 1492.
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You do NOT need modified MTU firmware.
As you use Talktalk FTTC you already have full 1500 byte MTU.
The issue with other ISP's is they use PPP which uses 8 bytes.
This means they can be limited to an MTU of 1500 - 8 (PPP) = 1492.
The modified firmware created by OliPro on Github, and then more recent versions being built by Johnson here on kitz, allows those using PPP (PPPoE) to have a 1500 MTU (1500 + 8 for PPP = 1508 bridged over the modem) rather than being limited to 1492.
Got you thanks John sorry bit new around here so i quote "Every Little Helps" :)
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That link earlier is not the version I use now. It is to be found here : https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,21685.msg384925.html#msg384925
That is the one I talked about with the stats web server function, which I absolutely love.
J0hn points out that you don’t need MTU 1508 for PPP. But you might fall in love with this enhanced version that also has the stats web server function.
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J0hn points out that you don’t need MTU 1508 for PPP.
A slight correction to the above is required --
sed 's/PPP/IPoE/'
-- as TT use IPoE for their FTTC, VDSL2 (ITU-T G.993.2) based, service.
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Thanks guys got my fingers crossed i don't mess anything up :fingers:
So here's all the infomation i've gathered so far
1. Login to a telnet session with username: admin/1234 to recover the "supervisor" password by a dumpmdm command
2. Login to the Supervisor account via GUI go to the Maintenance > Configuration page. Select the ROM-D tab and then left-click on the Clean button.
3. Update the FW to the one Weaver gave to 1312-B10A-AAJZ16-SNRM-log.bin
4. Factory reset by the pin at the back
5. Set it up
Anything else im missing?
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I realise what I wrote was ambiguous, I should have written "1508, which is for PPP".
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I realise what I wrote was ambiguous, I should have written "1508, which is for PPP".
So that firmware you mentioned should i still get it or stick to the official zyxel firmware? I'm confused sorry :D
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So that firmware you mentioned should i still get it or stick to the official zyxel firmware? I'm confused sorry :D
Stick with the official releases to start with nfxcr3w. TT (non business) is IPoE so doesnt need any special firmware to get full 1500 byte MTU.
If you want stats monitoring and have a PC thats on all the time or a trusty raspberry pi then running DSLStats is the best option.
If at some point in the future you want to mess with testing stats monitoring directly on the device itself for fun then you can take a look at the modified firmwares.
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Stick with the official releases to start with nfxcr3w. TT (non business) is IPoE so doesnt need any special firmware to get full 1500 byte MTU.
If you want stats monitoring and have a PC thats on all the time or a trusty raspberry pi then running DSLStats is the best option.
If at some point in the future you want to mess with testing stats monitoring directly on the device itself for fun then you can take a look at the modified firmwares.
Will do thank you Johnson :) well i've ordered it now so will be with me by tomorrow.
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Anything else im missing?
No, reading through your list you are "good to go". And follow johnson's advice about which firmware image to use. He should know! ;)
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No, reading through your list you are "good to go". And follow johnson's advice about which firmware image to use. He should know! ;)
Thanks guys any issues i come across I'll let you guys know tomorrow thank you for all the help really appreciate it ;)
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I think you will enjoy the Johnson new firmware, for the stats server feature, ignore the MTU thing. So I recommend giving it a try as there’s no downside and I’ve found it rock-solid, just a very pleasing enhancement with the extra functionality.
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I think you will enj9y the Johnson new firmware, for the stats server feature, ignore the MTU thing. So I recommend giving it a try as there’s no downside and I’ve found it rock-solid, just a very pleasing enhancement with the extra functionality.
Is that all it is the servers stats feature? cuase i normally just check every now and then with DSLStats :)
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Right finally got it all set up in Bridge Mode got one question though between the wireless signal and the globe icon on the the vmg1312-b10a is it suppose to be orange i have connection now. just wondering? Thanks guys :)
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Yes, that's normal. Because the modem is in bridge mode it has no knowledge of the PPP connection with the ISP (which is done in the router). So it shows sync but not a full internet connection.
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Yes, that's normal. Because the modem is in bridge mode it has no knowledge of the PPP connection with the ISP (which is done in the router). So it shows sync but not a full internet connection.
Thank you Rose im syncing at max right now got a bit of interleaving though does this look ok? :)
====================================================================================
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
G.Vector: Disable
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 0 day: 0 hour: 57 minutes
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VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 19.999 Mbps 79.998 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 20.000 Mbps 79.999 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 13.6 dB 7.3 dB
Actual Delay: 0 ms 0 ms
Transmit Power: - 1.0 dBm 12.5 dBm
Receive Power: -15.9 dBm 0.9 dBm
Actual INP: 48.0 symbols 48.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 0.0 dB 12.4 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 32.031 Mbps 88.402 Mbps
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VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 U4 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 2.9 12.6 19.3 N/A N/A 7.8 16.8 26.2
Signal Attenuation(dB): 2.9 11.7 18.8 N/A N/A 10.2 16.6 26.2
SNR Margin(dB): 13.5 13.6 13.6 N/A N/A 7.3 7.3 7.3
TX Power(dBm): -15.2 -30.1 -1.2 N/A N/A 8.4 7.8 6.9
====================================================================================
VDSL Counters
Downstream Upstream
Since Link time = 57 min 7 sec
FEC: 284 63
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Latest 15 minutes time = 12 min 38 sec
FEC: 0 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC: 28 4
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Latest 1 day time = 57 min 38 sec
FEC: 284 63
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 29 29
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Previous 1 day time = 0 sec
FEC: 0 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Total time = 57 min 38 sec
FEC: 284 63
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 29 29
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
====================================================================================
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Stats looking very good now. You have a superb line. ;D
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Stats looking very good now. You have a superb line. ;D
Thank you ;)
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. . . between the wireless signal and the globe icon on the the vmg1312-b10a . . .
As I can never remember which LED is which, I had to go and look at my own VMG1312-B10A and now I see it is a representation of an 8P8C modular socket, with properties as explained by Roseway.
I agree with Weaver's assessment . . . looking at that snapshot for less than one hour's synchronisation, the circuit looks to be very good.
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Thanks to Roseway for that tip about the LEDs. I didn’t know that. I’ve never seen them on my own modems because I haven’t made it into the office to have a look. That might confuse me and my wife if taking a look at them in future. I can get her to show me the LEDs using her phone, camera or iPad tho.
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As I can never remember which LED is which, I had to go and look at my own VMG1312-B10A and now I see it is a representation of an 8P8C modular socket, with properties as explained by Roseway.
I agree with Weaver's assessment . . . looking at that snapshot for less than one hour's synchronisation, the circuit looks to be very good.
thank you :) when i had the hg612 on for 5 days DLM didn't really budge with the upstream Interleave so not sure what thats all about but i have gained a extra 4mb on the max attenuation like i said it would. The FEC Errors seem to be less than the HG612 too must be a bonus that. :)
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A long and happy married life together.
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A long and happy married life together.
:lol: Does it take some time to settle Weaver the vmg1312?
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Not sure what I'm doing wrong guys but if I paste my iP in to the Web browser it loads up my routers page :-\ please help had to remove it from the network cause it's a security risk.
edit* I think it's only doing it on my network cause when I paste my public ip on my 4G it doesn't show my routers page just blank. Hope it's secure 🤔
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Here are links to two utilities that will allow you to check the security --
- GRC | ShieldsUP! (https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2)
- Open Port Check Tool (http://canyouseeme.org/)
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Here are links to two utilities that will allow you to check the security --
- GRC | ShieldsUP! (https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2)
- Open Port Check Tool (http://canyouseeme.org/)
This is the results thanks again Burakkucat :)
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That shows the response of your router (not the VMG1312-B10A) to the various probes. Having looked back to one of your earlier posts, I see you are using a Netduma R1 router . . . something unknown, to me.
I would have expected the status to be "Filtered", rather than "Closed", for all of those ports.
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That shows the response of your router (not the VMG1312-B10A) to the various probes. Having looked back to one of your earlier posts, I see you are using a Netduma R1 router . . . something unknown, to me.
I would have expected the status to be "Filtered", rather than "Closed", for all of those ports.
Well when i downgrade the firmware i do get stealthed ports is that better? instead of closed?
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Stealthed ports don't acknowledge probes at all, whereas closed ports virtually say "I'm here but not talking to you". Which would you think is 'better'?
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Stealthed ports don't acknowledge probes at all, whereas closed ports virtually say "I'm here but not talking to you". Which would you think is 'better'?
Stealthed sounds better sorry im new to all this cause when i put my public ip address in to the web browser address it comes up with my secondary router page even with stealthed ports didn't do that with the HG612 so im a bit puzzled on why it's doing that and its in bridge mode.
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Right i sorted it changed to the Netgear XR500 and here are the results finally fixed phew now i can get some sleep sorry for the headaches guys technology and me don't mix :lol:
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I got a question guys i got the netgear xr500 connected to the vmg1312 lan 1 port to wan port of the netgear with lan 4 for the stats and wanted to know is this normal my devices that are connected to the netgear are showing on the vmg1312 also? ???
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Not all devices will.
My RPi shows as it connects to the zyxel for DslStats.
My PC and phone show if I use either of them to view the zyxel WebUI.
I've never had other devices show on my zyxel.
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Not all devices will.
My RPi shows as it connects to the zyxel for DslStats.
My PC and phone show if I use either of them to view the zyxel WebUI.
I've never had other devices show on my zyxel.
Thank you John so i take it it's normal the netgear is 192.168.1.1 and the zyxel is 192.168.1.2 cause i didn't want them both conflicting with eachother so im not sure why these devices are showing up on my netgear and the zyxel at the same time since the PS4 and PC are connected to the Netgear not the VMG1312 very strange why it shows up on the vmg though. ??? I just hope i havnt missed something out. Cause i've never owned a Zyxel before only a Billion and a HG612. Edit* My wireless devices like mobile phone don't show up on the ZyXel just the wired devices like games console and pc and secondary router.
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A few points to think about. Sincere grovelling apologies if you know all of this already.
You have two networks. Two LANs.
1. One is very small, it only has two things in it, an address for your ZyXEL modem’s admin interface and possibly an address belonging to your router. This LAN is the network cable between your modem and your router.
2. The main LAN, wired and wireless which your router and all PCs and other devices are on.
Now each of these has a range of addresses associated with it. These ranges of addresses might be 256 addresses wide, but it varies. Where these address ranges are in address space is up to you and your router’s setup defines where they are and how big each range is. The two ranges may or may not overlap.
Your router may or may not know how to direct, or ‘route’, packets to the network your modem is in (that ‘network’ being merely the cable between router and modem). Mine had no clue. I had to configure it specially, to tell it where the modem was and what the address range associated with the router-to-modem cable was. My modem lives at 192.168.1.1 and its associated address range is 192.168.1.0 - 192.168.0.255. In that network, the only other thing is the router itself which is at 192.168.1.254.
My main LAN lives at 81.187.xxx.0 - 81.187.xxx.63 (64 addresses wide). On that network my router lives at 81.187.xxx.62. (Addresses have been faked up.)
The two networks, my main one and the tiny one with my modem on it, have address ranges that do not overlap.
My router has three addresses (at least). One on the main LAN, one on the modem cable and one facing the internet. Yours may or may not have one set up on the modem cable. But apart from that your router will have two or three addresses in the same way as mine.
If the address ranges of your two networks do overlap, or are right on top of each other then your router may or may not know how to route packets to the right network, but it will be pretty difficult to explain things to it, because a mention of one address will be ambiguous, that value will not tell the router which network we’re talking about clearly.
I found it really difficult getting my router set up right so that I could talk to the modem’s admin interface. You might be in luck though and it just happens to already be set up just right so that it has the setup and the understanding. That is by no means guaranteed though.
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A few points to think about. Sincere grovelling apologies if you know all of this already.
You have two networks. Two LANs.
1. One is very small, it only has two things in it, an address for your ZyXEL modem’s admin interface and possibly an address belonging to your router. This LAN is the network cable between your modem and your router.
2. The main LAN, wired and wireless which your router and all PCs and other devices are on.
Now each of these has a range of addresses associated with it. These ranges of addresses might be 256 addresses wide, but it varies. Where these address ranges are in address space is up to you and your router’s setup defines where they are and how big each range is. The two ranges may or may not overlap.
Your router may or may not know how to direct, or ‘route’, packets to the network your modem is in (that ‘network’ being merely the cable between router and modem). Mine had no clue. I had to configure it specially, to tell it where the modem was and what the address range associated with the router-to-modem cable was. My modem lives at 192.168.1.1 and its associated address range is 192.168.1.0 - 192.168.0.255. In that network, the only other thing is the router itself which is at 192.168.1.254.
My main LAN lives at 81.187.xxx.0 - 81.187.xxx.63 (64 addresses wide). On that network my router lives at 81.187.xxx.62. (Addresses have been faked up.)
The two networks, my main one and the tiny one with my modem on it, have address ranges that do not overlap.
My router has three addresses (at least). One on the main LAN, one on the modem cable and one facing the internet. Yours may or may not have one set up on the modem cable. But apart from that your router will have two or three addresses in the same way as mine.
If the address ranges of your two networks do overlap, or are right on top of each other then your router may or may not know how to route packets to the right network, but it will be pretty difficult to explain things to it, because a mention of one address will be ambiguous, that value will not tell the router which network we’re talking about clearly.
I found it really difficult getting my router set up right so that I could talk to the modem’s admin interface. You might be in luck though and it just happens to already be set up just right so that it has the setup and the understanding. That is by no means guaranteed though.
That was a nice read thank you Weaver for the time being i've put the HG612 back in until i can wrap my head around this ZyXeL i'll come back to it in the future but thank you all for the help. Much appreciated :) now to leave the line alone don't want to upset the dreaded evil DLM lol.
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I don’t see why the ZyXEL makes any difference. All PPPoE modems are the same. Your router is what controls the whole thing. Your HG612 is exactly the same as the ZyXEL. They just pass bits up and down your DSL line and that’s it.
You cannot possibly do any harm by using the ZyXEL as long as you have it configured as a straight modem. Assuming that you do have it so configured, that is.
If things work with the HG612 and you can access the internet, and then you swap it out and swap in the ZyXEL, and you can still access the internet through your main router, then you have proved that you have done the right thing and that’s all there is to it.
When a true modem of this type is being a straight modem, it can not possibly be causing any security issues on the internet. (Because it will not itself be accessing the internet on its own, and if it were to decide to try to, it would need to go through your main firewall-router, and would be behind the same firewall as all your other systems.)
Whatever problems you’re seeing are due to something else, but I have not looked into this.
With this type of modem, you just plug them in, configure them for the right kind of DSL protocol stack setup and that’s it, you then just go on and use them and there’s nothing more to say.
If someone wants admin and stats access then that may need some setup in the router and modem but even without that internet access will just work.
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I don’t see why the ZyXEL makes any difference. All PPPoE modems are the same. Your router is what controls the whole thing. Your HG612 is exactly the same as the ZyXEL. They just pass bits up and down your DSL line and that’s it.
You cannot possibly do any harm by using the ZyXEL as long as you have it configured as a straight modem. Assuming that you do have it so configured, that is.
If things work with the HG612 and you can access the internet, and then you swap it out and swap in the ZyXEL, and you can still access the internet through your main router, then you have proved that you have done the right thing and that’s all there is to it.
When a true modem of this type is being a straight modem, it can not possibly be causing any security issues on the internet. (Because it will not itself be accessing the internet on its own, and if it were to decide to try to, it would need to go through your main firewall-router, and would be behind the same firewall as all your other systems.)
Whatever problems you’re seeing are due to something else, but I have looked into this.
The only good thing i could think of about the zyxel is it syncs 4mb higher on the max attenuation this is the stats for the hg612 syncs 4mb lower and 1mb lower on the upload on the max attenuation so not sure about that im running the SP08 F/W on it which supports G.INP. ???
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Thank you John so i take it it's normal the netgear is 192.168.1.1 and the zyxel is 192.168.1.2 cause i didn't want them both conflicting with eachother so im not sure why these devices are showing up on my netgear and the zyxel at the same time since the PS4 and PC are connected to the Netgear not the VMG1312 very strange why it shows up on the vmg though. ??? I just hope i havnt missed something out. Cause i've never owned a Zyxel before only a Billion and a HG612. Edit* My wireless devices like mobile phone don't show up on the ZyXel just the wired devices like games console and pc and secondary router.
You should swap that round.
You may now have the zyxel in the DHCP range of the Netgear if that's left on automatic.
Have the Zyxel 192.168.1.1
Have the Netgear 192.168.1.2
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You should swap that round.
You may now have the zyxel in the DHCP range of the Netgear if that's left on automatic.
Have the Zyxel 192.168.1.1
Have the Netgear 192.168.1.2
Only did it the other way cause factory resetting the netgear it would conflict with the zyxel i didn't think it was this difficult setting up the zyxel lost sleep over it. All i wanted to do was just run the VMG1312 in Bridge Mode and have the Netgear XR500 work as just the router side of things. The HG612 i can just plug it in have that setup and away you go.
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The HG612, by default, has the 192.168.1.1 IPv4 address.
Puzzled . . . ???
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The HG612, by default, has the 192.168.1.1 IPv4 address.
Puzzled . . . ???
Puzzled too cause netgear uses 192.168.1.1 by default and so does the hg612 wouldn't that clash ??? anyway i manually changed netgear's address to 192.168.1.2 is this correct? and put the hg612 back to 192.168.1.1
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I may just be complicating things, but did you disable DHCP on the zyxel when you had it in place? All devices showing up in its GUI suggests maybe it was the one giving out addresses.
Also something worth trying is setting up separate interface groups as per https://kitz.co.uk/routers/zyxel_VMG8324-B10A_bridge.htm (https://kitz.co.uk/routers/zyxel_VMG8324-B10A_bridge.htm).
There maybe no need as you had a functional setup without them, but I always experienced intermittent issues without interface groups and 2 cables - not being able to access the GUI randomly etc.
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I may just be complicating things, but did you disable DHCP on the zyxel when you had it in place? All devices showing up in its GUI suggests maybe it was the one giving out addresses.
Also something worth trying is setting up separate interface groups as per https://kitz.co.uk/routers/zyxel_VMG8324-B10A_bridge.htm (https://kitz.co.uk/routers/zyxel_VMG8324-B10A_bridge.htm).
There maybe no need as you had a functional setup without them, but I always experienced intermittent issues without interface groups and 2 cables - not being able to access the GUI randomly etc.
Thanks John, you mean DHCP which shows in this image to have it disabled? cause i did that even first thing i did was put the lan 1 in to interface group and the devices are still apearing on the GUI.
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Looks a little different to the page I see but I'm sure its the same. Under "Home Networking" with the default interface group selected:
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Looks a little different to the page I see but I'm sure its the same. Under "Home Networking" with the default interface group selected:
Yeah thats the one John sorry i didn't have the vmg connected so had to find a rough image on google. ;)
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Curious! Not sure what else to suggest as I have mine connected via a single cable and on a different subnet, so cant prod about seeing what devices the modem can see in the same setup as yours.
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Curious! Not sure what else to suggest as I have mine connected via a single cable and on a different subnet, so cant prod about seeing what devices the modem can see in the same setup as yours.
Very Strange maybe in the near future il use it as i have so many HG612's and a VMG1312 so many modems lol i'll keep it has a spare for now in case one fails thanks again John for all the help and everyone else. Great Friendly Community ;) Have a great Christmas 🎅
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Puzzled too cause netgear uses 192.168.1.1 by default and so does the hg612 wouldn't that clash ??? anyway i manually changed netgear's address to 192.168.1.2 is this correct? and put the hg612 back to 192.168.1.1
Yes, any two devices with the same IP address will clash and the end result would be undefined.
However, after downloading a copy of your screen-scrape from the Netgear router (so that I can see it easily), I have noticed something not quite right. With either the HG612 or the VMG1312-B10A in use as just a bridging modem (both keeping to their 192.168.1.1.default IPv4 address) you have, quite correctly, set the Netgear to have a 192.168.1.2 IPv4 address. (It could be anything on the 192.168.1.X subnet, anything other than 0, 1 or 255 for x). Now look at that screen, in the section below where you have ticked the box for the Netgear to be the DHCP server, and it can be seen that you have not changed the starting IPv4 address for the DHCP pool (of addresses for the server to hand out). It is still set to the 192.168.1.1 address. That is wrong. It needs to be 192.168.1.3 (or greater).
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Yes, any two devices with the same IP address will clash and the end result would be undefined.
However, after downloading a copy of your screen-scrape from the Netgear router (so that I can see it easily), I have noticed something not quite right. With either the HG612 or the VMG1312-B10A in use as just a bridging modem (both keeping to their 192.168.1.1.default IPv4 address) you have, quite correctly, set the Netgear to have a 192.168.1.2 IPv4 address. (It could be anything on the 192.168.1.X subnet, anything other than 0, 1 or 255 for x). Now look at that screen, in the section below where you have ticked the box for the Netgear to be the DHCP server, and it can be seen that you have not changed the starting IPv4 address for the DHCP pool (of addresses for the server to hand out). It is still set to the 192.168.1.1 address. That is wrong. It needs to be 192.168.1.3 (or greater).
Thanks i understand now is this better?
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Yes, that is now correct.