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Title: Who is your go to manufacturer for Routers etc
Post by: michty_me on August 10, 2018, 05:15:08 PM
I'm interested in finding out who every tends to stick with for routers for the home. This can be in terms of quality, Customer support, Ease of use, Features built in etc.

This is my thoughts so far on past equipment:
Billion - Seem reliable, WiFi can be hit or miss on them, Design could be improved and updated, Plenty of features, Support seems excellent and listen to customers when issues are found in Firmware.

Netgear: Nice designs, WiFi is great, Too basic with features, Equipment only lasts a few years, Customer support is non-existent and don't seem to give a hoot about issues. Don't think I want to venture back to them.

Asus: Love the designs (Very futuristic), DSL items are better used as a door wedge, Customer support are useless and can't answer basic questions correctly from my experience. I was willing to give them another go after the whole DSL-AC68U debacle but with being given false information from them the other day, I don't see them being any better.

Basically, I'm on the look out for new equipment, Looking to keep it fairly simple but would like to hear everyones thoughts on other manufacturers.
Title: Re: Who is your go to manufacturer for Routers etc
Post by: burakkucat on August 10, 2018, 07:13:47 PM
I sense that you are really asking about CPE rather than "true" routers. Would that be correct?
Title: Re: Who is your go to manufacturer for Routers etc
Post by: michty_me on August 10, 2018, 07:25:59 PM
I sense that you are really asking about CPE rather than "true" routers. Would that be correct?

Yes that's right. Not too hot on my terminology to be honest  :-[
Title: Re: Who is your go to manufacturer for Routers etc
Post by: re0 on August 10, 2018, 09:05:56 PM
Billion is usually the manufacturer I go for. Usually cheaper than Asus and Netgear for what could be a comparable product, but from what I have witnessed Billion seem to be better in terms of:
Of course, the Billion designs tend to be a bit bland. But I buy for functionality, not whether it looks nice. I am not going to be staring at it all day!

I heard Zyxel have some nice devices, with some of the better ones having an internal noise filter. Might try them one day.
Title: Re: Who is your go to manufacturer for Routers etc
Post by: michty_me on August 10, 2018, 09:35:12 PM
Thanks for a detailed response.
Most of which I agree with too. The WiFi I found to be a bit weak compared to other devices. Not sure if it's due to the design or what.
When I had adsl, my billion was the best purchase I had in years.
They seem to take a bit longer to take out new equipment compared to other manufacturers. That's probably a good thing really as they seem to thoroughly test them before hand.

I've got a Zyxel 1312-b10a modem and it seems pretty good.
I just need a good reliable router to compliment it although considering trying a mesh setup now.
Title: Re: Who is your go to manufacturer for Routers etc
Post by: re0 on August 10, 2018, 10:23:23 PM
The Billion devices that have internal antennas are a bit pants when it comes to WiFi. Though while the speed and range not be so fantastic, I've never really had any stability issues with the 8800NL (the first version) and it's usually good enough for a few wireless devices. I know the 8800AXL R2 has pleasant WiFi from experience (external antennas), and I imagine the same could be said about their much more expensive 8900AX-1600 R2 and 8900AX-2400 models.

I have opted for a two-device setup using the 8800NL as a modem and 8800AXL R2 as a router (just so I can make changes to firmware and configs without disrupting the DSL). Though I am currently having a few issues with my 8800AXL R2 at the moment with "random" reboots and am waiting for a response from their engineers (it's not an easy to diagnose problem as nothing gets logged on the remote syslog server when it does it). Although in a previous situation I have been sent firmware to fix an issue, which is nice.

As for Zyxel, I've never used one. But it's the B10A versions that has the filter built in if I am correct. Someone here with one would know for sure anyway.
Title: Re: Who is your go to manufacturer for Routers etc
Post by: michty_me on August 10, 2018, 11:33:11 PM
That was also my experience with billion in the past. The engineering team actually took an interest in issues that people reported.
The GUI on the billion was way too over complex for me but I only look for a fairly simple setup and lack the knowledge of what everything does. It is good to know that everything is there if you want it though.

You are correct, the b10a does indeed have a filter on it. I seem to gain a bout of DS speed but maybe lose a bit of US.
My netgear D7000 gave me a good sync speed too but after 3 years it's started locking up after a few weeks which caused errors on my line and banding, hence why I moved the modem duties to the Zyxel.
Title: Re: Who is your go to manufacturer for Routers etc
Post by: Weaver on August 11, 2018, 03:06:02 AM
I chose Firebrick, ridiculously expensive but would find it difficult now to live with anything else. I am addicted. [Do not flame me. :-) Answers to all responses are: I know, I know.]
Title: Re: Who is your go to manufacturer for Routers etc
Post by: re0 on August 11, 2018, 02:28:58 PM
I also forgot to mention the fact that with Billion I've always had full telnet/ssh access (which is a huge bonus) without having to locate "modded" firmware. And SNR tweaking is available for those who want to live on the edge, even in the web interface. I know some manufacturers have devices which also have telnet/ssh easily accessible, but others require custom firmware or debug modes to enable.
Title: Re: Who is your go to manufacturer for Routers etc
Post by: Weaver on August 11, 2018, 03:00:10 PM
And Billion have had very well respected modems too.
Title: Re: Who is your go to manufacturer for Routers etc
Post by: Jon21 on August 11, 2018, 03:21:40 PM
My go to was Asus for a router but I've since moved to PfSense. Although I guess that's just router software (unless you buy one of the Netgate products). Currently have it running on one of the Qotom mini PC's. Admittedly, I've no idea what half the options available in PfSense do. Seems to work just fine though with my fairly basic config.

I use a 4 box setup:

Draytek Vigor 130
PfSense on the Qotom mini Pc
A TP-Link POE 8 Port switch
A TP-Link EAP 225v3 AP, although I have a Ubiquiti AP coming tomorrow to try
Title: Re: Who is your go to manufacturer for Routers etc
Post by: ejs on August 11, 2018, 03:32:49 PM
How often do you need to buy these things to even have a go to manufacturer?
Title: Re: Who is your go to manufacturer for Routers etc
Post by: adrianw on August 11, 2018, 04:13:43 PM
I chose to replace my two APU based pfSense firewalls with Netgate ones (a SG-2220 and a SG-4860).
Very expensive in comparison to alternative hardware, but I regarded it as a contribution to pfSense development.

I use separate WiFi access points and VDSL modems.
Title: Re: Who is your go to manufacturer for Routers etc
Post by: banger on August 11, 2018, 08:21:54 PM
ZyXEL and Billion and Asus for routers.
Title: Re: Who is your go to manufacturer for Routers etc
Post by: Ixel on August 11, 2018, 11:38:18 PM
DrayTek, Ubiquiti (EdgeRouter) or finally now the Firebrick.

I'm currently using my two DrayTek Vigor routers (2860Vac and 2862) as bridged modems primarily, though the 2860Vac is also using VoIP as it's connected to my house phones via an RJ11 cable, which then connects to the Firebrick's SIP server which then finally connects to AAISP's SIP server.

Another interesting fact, my UPS will maintain the following hardware for up to around 6 hours on battery:
- LED Light Strip (plugged in via USB to the FireBrick FB2900 if there's a power cut)
- Firebrick FB2900 (acting as a router and SIP server for VoIP)
- DrayTek Vigor 2860Vac (acting as a bridged modem and for VoIP, BT Advanced Z is connected to it via RJ11)
- DrayTek Vigor 2862 (acting as a bridged modem)
- Ubiquiti EdgeSwitch 16 150W
- Ubiquiti Amplifi HD (for wifi)
- Synology NAS RS815+ (for monitoring my VDSL2 stats on both lines and taking automated action if errors become excessive or minimal, recording the back garden and some internal cameras downstairs, and for being a network drive I guess)
- BT Advanced Z Base Station (DECT phones)

I know this because yesterday night I had a power cut and the battery estimated time on the front panel said between 5 to 6 hours :).
Title: Re: Who is your go to manufacturer for Routers etc
Post by: re0 on August 12, 2018, 11:00:18 AM
I seem to have forgotten about the existence of DrayTek! I did once fancy one... until I saw the price tags, even for older models! Though I am pretty sure DrayTek has a lot more comprehensive features compared to Billion, and their hardware is just as solid (I am not sure if I approve of their use of Lantiq, but I probably wouldn't use it as a modem anyway). Billion is typically positioned for domestic and SOHO, though I think DrayTek is more SME.