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Broadband Related => Broadband Hardware => Topic started by: banger on August 26, 2017, 08:04:34 PM

Title: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: banger on August 26, 2017, 08:04:34 PM
I have successfully setup a DSL-N55U to get stats over the WAN cable by using ifconfig and setting the WAN interface to the IP 192.168.2.9 and my modem is set at 192.168.2.10.

This doesn't work with the 3925 as all the addresses are in IPv6 format and I am a bit lost as to which is the WAN port in ifconfig. Is there another way to get stats over the WAN cable on the 3925 after setting it up as a WAN router?
Title: Re: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: banger on August 26, 2017, 10:56:08 PM
I tried the ifconfig on the ethernet port 1.0 but even logged in as the supervisor it was access denied. Then I tried the Interface grouping adding ethwan to lan 1 but my machine couldn't see the modem. I also looked at Vlan options but there is only the lan1-4 in adding a Vlan.

Then tried adding an additional subnet in the 192.168.2.9 range but again my machine still couldn't see my modem on 192.168.2.10. I can connect to the modem's wireless and get stats that way but I think stats over WAN cable is more reliable. So I am stumped.
Title: Re: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: NewtronStar on August 26, 2017, 11:20:46 PM
Sorry I haven't used bridge mode since HG612 & HH3 just use the all in one units, there is section for ZyXEL to bridge and collect stats but it's for a 8324.

http://www.kitz.co.uk/routers/zyxel_VMG8324-B10A_bridge.htm (http://www.kitz.co.uk/routers/zyxel_VMG8324-B10A_bridge.htm)
Title: Re: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: banger on August 26, 2017, 11:58:29 PM
Thanks NS. But that suggests using 2 cables to link up the 2 devices. My modem is downstairs with router upstairs and only 1 ethernet cable to link the 2.
Title: Re: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: NewtronStar on August 27, 2017, 12:35:13 AM
That's going to be complex I do remember Chrysalis giving details about using one cable for accessing stats and the network but is was on a Billion 8800NL R1 setup, he could help you with this.
Title: Re: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: banger on August 27, 2017, 01:01:52 AM
Yes, I did a search of the forum but none of his exploits works with the 3925 just Billion and Asus routers he has thought about it on the supervisor thread but I tried his Vlan suggestion but it doesn't work.
Title: Re: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: NewtronStar on August 27, 2017, 01:15:46 AM
Sorry about that have done a wide search on Kitz myself my memory tells me you needed some sort of cat5e splitter

http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,16622.msg306997.html#msg306997 (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,16622.msg306997.html#msg306997)
Title: Re: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: banger on August 27, 2017, 01:19:46 AM
I can get stats over wifi but would prefer over the WAN cable without a splitter.
Title: Re: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: NewtronStar on August 27, 2017, 01:23:14 AM
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your a hard man to satisfy it's either your way or no way  :(
Title: Re: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: Chrysalis on August 27, 2017, 03:11:57 AM
banger

1 - login to UI of zyxel
2 - select networks -> vlan groups
3 - add group called bridge set vland id to 2, tick the include box on the lan port you want to use. (one used for wan)
4 - select networks -> interface grouping and assign bridge vdsl port to same lan port.
Note you may have already done steps 3 and 4 when setting up the bridge.
5 - now select networks -> home networking
6 - in group name box default is preselected, change this to bridge
7 - make a note of the ip address shown, change if you want to. (to keep things simple change it to 192.168.2.10 and make sure your old modem is not connected so no conflict)

You can now access the zyxel using that ip address on the wan cable, I didnt have to adjust my config on my router compared to my billion it just worked.
Title: Re: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: j0hn on August 27, 2017, 04:00:21 AM
The above works on the VMG8924-B10A. I ran it like that for about 6 months. The bridge is set as 192.168.2.1 by default.

I haven't got round to trying it on the VMG1312-B10A but I'm sure it will work the same.
Title: Re: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: banger on August 27, 2017, 03:42:04 PM
I am confused which router do I change the VLAN and Interface group. I am running VMG1312 as a modem connected to the SSFP and 3925 as a router doing PPPoE. I tried Chrys instuctions on the 3925 but DSLStats couldnt see the modem.

Cheers

Edit: One thing I have noticed when adding the Interface group on the 3925 it locks up and you have to power off. It adds the interface but it is not visible until you power off. Firmware bug?
Title: Re: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: Chrysalis on August 28, 2017, 06:54:12 AM
you do it on the modem.  So in your case the 1312.

I didnt know you was using 2 zyxel's.

So you have ditched the asus? if so you have made this a lot harder, I dont know what you going to need to do on the 3925 to get this to work as that doesnt have iptables.

On the 3925 you need to do 2 things.

1 - add an alias to the wan network device to match the subnet on the bridge interface on the 1312.
2 - add a forwarding rule on the firewall to direct lan traffic to the wan device for that subnet.  This is what I think you will have a problem with on the zyxel router.
Title: Re: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: banger on August 28, 2017, 02:51:06 PM
Yea I can't figure it out either, the only other way is by wifi to get stats. Think I will go back to the Asus as I have a spare one of those if this one goes pop.
Title: Re: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: Chrysalis on August 28, 2017, 04:52:35 PM
why are you using 2 zyxel in this configuration?

Just use one as a combined modem/router.  Or am I missing something here.
Title: Re: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: banger on August 28, 2017, 06:06:02 PM
Two reasons I get the best wireless with router upstairs covering whole house and the VMG1312-B10A syncs two meg higher than the 3925 but 1312 does not have 5G only 2.4G.

Will stick to the Asus and keep the 3925 as a backup as my desktop doesn't connect very well to the 3925 over wifi (54m wifi) whereas the Asus connects at 300m wifi downstairs over 5g.

So current config is as per signature with 1312 as a modem downstairs next to SSFP and ethernet cable going through house to Asus upstairs which is doing wifi and PPPoE.
Title: Re: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: Chrysalis on August 29, 2017, 04:26:34 AM
you can still use the 1312 as the router and then just use the 3925 as a wireless access point.  It doesnt need to be the router to be used for wifi.

Generally for the single cable setup the router needs to either be a wrt variant or something like pfsense/opnsense.
Title: Re: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: sebus05 on March 14, 2020, 05:17:11 PM
banger

1 - login to UI of zyxel
2 - select networks -> vlan groups
3 - add group called bridge set vland id to 2, tick the include box on the lan port you want to use. (one used for wan)
4 - select networks -> interface grouping and assign bridge vdsl port to same lan port.
Note you may have already done steps 3 and 4 when setting up the bridge.
5 - now select networks -> home networking
6 - in group name box default is preselected, change this to bridge
7 - make a note of the ip address shown, change if you want to. (to keep things simple change it to 192.168.2.10 and make sure your old modem is not connected so no conflict)

You can now access the zyxel using that ip address on the wan cable, I didn't have to adjust my config on my router compared to my billion it just worked.

I am trying to get to stats page on 3925 in Bridge/Modem Only mode from LAN driven by Mikrotik router

So the setup is client (wired or wireless) --> Mikrotik --> single cable to VMG3925-B10B

From LAN client I can ping the Vlan2 interface on Mirotik, but not the home networking/group interface on Zyxel

If I add ie Eth4 to Vlan Group on Zyxel, then connecting directly on Eth4 I can access unit via that IP, so it does work on Zyxel (just not the two together)
Title: Re: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on March 15, 2020, 05:17:40 AM
I am trying to get to stats page on 3925 in Bridge/Modem Only mode from LAN driven by Mikrotik router

So the setup is client (wired or wireless) --> Mikrotik --> single cable to VMG3925-B10B

From LAN client I can ping the Vlan2 interface on Mirotik, but not the home networking/group interface on Zyxel

If I add ie Eth4 to Vlan Group on Zyxel, then connecting directly on Eth4 I can access unit via that IP, so it does work on Zyxel (just not the two together)

I could never quite figure out how to make it work properly myself.  Zyxel seem to really confuse things with how they sugar coat the settings so you're not sure what its actually doing.  Does it tag the output of the switch ports?  I have no idea, it didn't seem to when I tried.

When I switch to the hacked HomeHub 5 with OpenWRT it was insanely easy, as it clearly presents the router and switch as the independent devices they technically are.
Title: Re: VMG3925-B10B getting stats over WAN cable.
Post by: sebus05 on March 15, 2020, 07:55:55 AM
Answered here (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,24210.msg412536.html#msg412536)