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Broadband Related => Telephony Wiring + Equipment => Topic started by: GigabitEthernet on June 26, 2017, 09:58:59 PM

Title: Checking new line was wired correctly
Post by: GigabitEthernet on June 26, 2017, 09:58:59 PM
Hi all,

I had a new line installed today and I just wanted to check it's been done correctly. The engineer crimped some telephone cable (it looks to be twisted pair BT cable) to the two spare wires in the back of the NTE5 and then ran a small cable to a master socket next to it and wired it up.

Looks good to me, is that all as it should be?
Title: Re: Checking new line was wired correctly
Post by: underzone on June 26, 2017, 10:33:23 PM
Yes
Title: Re: Checking new line was wired correctly
Post by: NewtronStar on June 26, 2017, 10:44:18 PM
Sounds like the run of the mill pair swap to me no major changes
Title: Re: Checking new line was wired correctly
Post by: burakkucat on June 26, 2017, 10:51:33 PM
Basically, the second pair of your incoming service feed (either underground or an aerial drop) has been used to implement the second circuit.

As has already been stated it's a perfectly normal situation. (b*cat waves paw, in acknowledgement, towards u*zone and N*Star.)
Title: Re: Checking new line was wired correctly
Post by: NewtronStar on June 26, 2017, 11:08:45 PM
Ah so he's going for FTTC bonding with two lines ?
Title: Re: Checking new line was wired correctly
Post by: burakkucat on June 26, 2017, 11:29:23 PM
Ah so he's going for FTTC bonding with two lines ?

No. If I've remembered correctly, G*E*net has changed CP, from TalkTalk to BT Wholesale based. The migration was not faultless . . . TalkTalk refused to release the telephone number and so, after complaints, BT installed a new line.

Come to think of it, you replied in that other thread! Now where is it . . . Ah, yes, here it is (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,19655.msg349582.html#msg349582).  :D
Title: Re: Checking new line was wired correctly
Post by: GigabitEthernet on June 27, 2017, 12:08:49 AM
Good to hear it's all been done as it should be. And by an MJ Quinn engineer no-less!
Title: Re: Checking new line was wired correctly
Post by: GigabitEthernet on June 27, 2017, 12:09:29 AM
Ah so he's going for FTTC bonding with two lines ?

Unfortunately not, TalkTalk screwed up unfortunately.

I will be able to compare the two lines though for a short period.
Title: Re: Checking new line was wired correctly
Post by: NewtronStar on June 27, 2017, 12:35:31 AM
Basically, the second pair of your incoming service feed (either underground or an aerial drop) has been used to implement the second circuit.


It was your wording in bold that made me think of a bonded line coming into use at some point  :doh:
Title: Re: Checking new line was wired correctly
Post by: burakkucat on June 27, 2017, 01:23:00 AM
It was your wording in bold that made me think of a bonded line coming into use at some point  :doh:

Yes, sorry, I can see that my somewhat sloppy wording could imply that interpretation.  :-[
Title: Re: Checking new line was wired correctly
Post by: burakkucat on June 27, 2017, 01:32:05 AM
I will be able to compare the two lines though for a short period.

For better or for worse, you will be in a position to observe any cross-talk between the two services. If you have two modems (or modem/routers), each with a Broadcom chipset, then interesting data may be obtainable. For such experiments the two modems and the DSLAM will only need to be synchronised, i.e. in "showtime mode".
Title: Re: Checking new line was wired correctly
Post by: GigabitEthernet on June 27, 2017, 01:27:00 PM
For better or for worse, you will be in a position to observe any cross-talk between the two services. If you have two modems (or modem/routers), each with a Broadcom chipset, then interesting data may be obtainable. For such experiments the two modems and the DSLAM will only need to be synchronised, i.e. in "showtime mode".

In theory there shouldn't be any since I have vectoring on my cabinet.
Title: Re: Checking new line was wired correctly
Post by: burakkucat on June 27, 2017, 10:54:26 PM
In theory there shouldn't be any since I have vectoring on my cabinet.

I would still be inclined to perform the relevant experiments. Then you will be in a position to verify (or not verify) the theory.  ;)
Title: Re: Checking new line was wired correctly
Post by: GigabitEthernet on June 27, 2017, 11:23:18 PM
I would still be inclined to perform the relevant experiments. Then you will be in a position to verify (or not verify) the theory.  ;)

I will do so, for science!  :P
Title: Re: Checking new line was wired correctly
Post by: burakkucat on June 27, 2017, 11:27:46 PM
I will do so, for science!  :P

Thank you. That will certainly be appreciated.
Title: Re: Checking new line was wired correctly
Post by: GigabitEthernet on June 27, 2017, 11:40:47 PM
I might also ask a favour. I had my d-side changed when I had some FTTC issues a while ago and the hlog looked much better. Then I had a line fault and seemingly the engineer swapped me back to the old pair as the "dropping off the cliff" hlog reappeared.

I don't suppose anyone here would have a copy of my better hlog? I can't recall if I shared it with anyone. It was on MDWS but I didn't upload for some time and the old files got deleted :(
Title: Re: Checking new line was wired correctly
Post by: burakkucat on June 28, 2017, 12:00:48 AM
. . . seemingly the engineer swapped me back to the old pair as the "dropping off the cliff" hlog reappeared.

I can remember that "dropping off the cliff" Hlog plot. The modem you were currently using did not appear to report the US values and it was in that US section of the plot that the circuit "ran out of steam". Hence a very abrupt end to the plot.

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I don't suppose anyone here would have a copy of my better hlog? I can't recall if I shared it with anyone.

I don't recall seeing any other Hlog plot for your circuit. (I've had a quick check and I have nothing stored that has come from you.)