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Broadband Related => Broadband Technology => Topic started by: Bowdon on March 18, 2017, 11:51:16 AM
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As the good news comes in for the Huawei cabinet people, we ECI people are like the outcast child who gets no presents from uncle BT/OR. "No G.INP or 3dB SNR for you today" we hear :(
So how many people are there on ECI cabinets? We know that ECI cabinets were stopped being installed quite a while ago, so I'm assuming ECI cabinets will be less than 50%. But I wonder if there is an actual figure for the number of ECI's compared to Huawei cabinets?
If you're not sure then you can use Kitz page: http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/cabinet-lookup.htm (http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/cabinet-lookup.htm) and follow the instructions to see which cabinet type your on.
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Hi Bowdon,
ECI Cabinet here, in sunny Weston-super-Mare, Somerset. I was told by a REAL BTOR engineer that my property is approximately 700 metres from that cabinet. Not looking good for me, methinks
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Eci cab in Frome. Its been repaired recently with new cables and cards after it was suggested it was going to be replaced but sadly in the end it was not. All of Frome are ECI cabs bar 2 huawei funded ones.
Its simply not fair that we pay the same yet we currently dont get the same benefits as huawei users. Lets hope OR come good eventually with ECI cabs......
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Me and probably most others in Thanet as we have ECI cabinets, so Ronski is likely another one.
Stuart
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I have always believed it to be about 1/3 of, with 100% of BDUK been hauwei.
The rollout started as hauwei, then moved to ECI after a while, when openreach announced they were considering vectoring it then shifted back to hauwei for the final 3rd.
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"We know that ECI cabinets were stopped being installed quite a while ago" - mine is a new ECI cabinet, installed early January this year.
I was the first connection to it. Am suffering from extremely poor upstream bandwidth (old 0xd086 firmware), but otherwise ok.
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I am an ECI in Kettering installed end of 2012. All new cabinets done are well I don't have to say lucky people
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Thinkbroadband recently estimated that ECI cabinets account for 6.3% of those installed under BDUK and 42% of commercial cabinets
That is interesting. So based on that nearly half of BT/OR's network can't support the upgrades they are doing.
I think they need to figure out some kind of solution for the ECI situation. I know my area is all ECI's until the most recent cabinet from BDUK was a Huawei. So if other towns are similar to mine that means whole areas are covered by ECI cabinets, i.e. not even an equal mix.
I think BT/OR are going to run in to a marketing issue if they start broadcasting about 3dB and G.INP at any major point because large numbers of customers won't benefit at all.
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We need G.INP resolved first then hopefully we can have lower snr profiles. Its all gone very quiet on G.INP though, originally April was supposed to be the re-introduction so we will have to wait and see what happens...
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Unfortunately large numbers don't have a clue, it's a very small minority of us that know what the difference is, or even care.
Pretty much all the cabinets around Thanet are ECI, except the BDUK one's and the very recent second cab additions.
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On an ECI in Marple, Stockport. Fortunately it's located the other side of our front garden wall, so no real negative impact for us.
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ECI cabinet here in rainy Settle North Yorkshire, line length 350mts, Down Stream: 48570Kbps / Up Stream: 18565Kbps, aluminium cable.
John
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Mostly ECI cabinets here in Grays, Essex, including some that were only installed in 2016.
However, in Dec 2016 I lost my broadband, a peek across the road showed my ECI box's innards laid out neatly on the pavement.
I asked the Openreach guy what the problem was and he said he was 'updating' the box which required a board change.
On completion my down speed DROPPED by 4Mbps with the same S/N of 6.2db, it's never recovered.
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However, in Dec 2016 I lost my broadband, a peek across the road showed my ECI box's innards laid out neatly on the pavement.
There's never an out-of-control, steam-powered, road-roller nearby when one wants one . . . :D
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Still waiting for the lidl's truck to flatten mine on the side of the loading bay but no luck yet... :D
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In autumn 2014, Openreach applied for the right to use unmetered power supplies for the cabs. As part of this, they provided a breakdown of the makeup of a large subsample of their cabs.
These are the numbers:
- BT's likely installed base = 55,000 cabinets
- Sample size = 34,400 cabinets
- ECI M41 = 15,300
- Huawei 5603 = 14,500 cabinets
- Huawei 5616 = 4,600 cabinets
So ECI provided about 45% of the sample, while the sample represented about 62% of the installed base. If the subsample was representative of the whole, then there will have been around 25,000 ECI cabinets in total.
BT had largely finished the commercial rollout at this time, and was well into the BDUK projects. What I have seen suggests to me, as others have seen, that Huawei has taken the lion's share of the BDUK market. Not exclusively at the start, for sure. But I have seen plenty of exchanges that were ECI-only in the commercial rollout, that went with Huawei for the additional BDUK cabinets.
BT now have around 80,000 cabinets. If the extra 25,000 cabinets were all Huawei, and the 2014 sub-sample was representative of the whole, then ECI would now be about 31% of the installed base.
BT originally trialled ECI in York, and that exchange has early and late examples of ECI cabinets being deployed, from late 2010 to early 2015 - with a smattering of BDUK Huawei's also appearing in 2013-15 too. However, the 2017 cabinets are only Huawei's; March 2015 is the most recent ECI installation I have seen (unless you know better), so that 31% estimate might well be a reasonable one.
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BT originally trialled ECI in York, and that exchange has early and late examples of ECI cabinets being deployed, from late 2010 to early 2015 - with a smattering of BDUK Huawei's also appearing in 2013-15 too. However, the 2017 cabinets are only Huawei's; March 2015 is the most recent ECI installation I have seen (unless you know better), so that 31% estimate might well be a reasonable one.
quote author=rpdmallett link=topic=19518.msg344491#msg344491 date=1489844312]
"We know that ECI cabinets were stopped being installed quite a while ago" - mine is a new ECI cabinet, installed early January this year.
I was the first connection to it. Am suffering from extremely poor upstream bandwidth (old 0xd086 firmware), but otherwise ok.
Wonder if this is correct...
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Unlikely, though possibly from a result of delayed planning. They stopped installing ECI cabs many months ago. For a while ECI's were only used to add capacity for existing ECI installations. Any new FTTC deployments have been Huawei for some time now though. It was round about October 2016 they started adding Huawei to existing ECI cabinets.
An ECI went live on my exchange (PCP 30 ESDAL) about a month ago, but the actual shell of the cab was erected over 2 years ago. Power issues delayed the cab going live. Any "new" ECI will likely have been in the planning from before any decision to completely ditch them.
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Wonder if this is correct...
It is correct - but then so also is j0hn's comment "possibly from a result of delayed planning".
The cabinet is in Faversham near a road junction (A251/A2) that is due for upgrade (potential for roundabout / traffic lights / other). Originally we were planned to have FTTC in September 2015, but when the council announced that the junction was due for development, that plan obviously went on hold (at least, that's what I'm guessing).
About 6 months ago the junction's future was finalised (a roundabout) and I think BT then took their plans off-hold. Obviously they'd had an ECI cabinet in storage all that time, ready to install.
So am I the first person to be connected to the last ever ECI cabinet installation? I feel so privileged... :'(
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On Monday my Sky Fibre went live and just discovered I am connected to an ECI cab:
> adsl info --vendor
adsl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 22431 Kbps, Downstream rate = 78438 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 9995 Kbps, Downstream rate = 39970 Kbps
ChipSet Vendor Id: IFTN:0xb206
ChipSet VersionNumber: 0xb206
ChipSet SerialNumber: 5502562905
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On Monday my Sky Fibre went live and just discovered I am connected to an ECI cab:
That's unfortunate. However it must be better than nothing.
I see you are consuming the Openreach 40/10 Mbps product. By looking at the "Max" line, we see that leaves plenty of "headroom" for the effects of cross-talkers, etc.
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That's unfortunate. However it must be better than nothing.
someone has to be ;) ;D
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LOL you can have my 1Km Huawei cabinet with G.INP and XdB and I'll take your short ECI line
Max: Upstream rate = 22431 Kbps, Downstream rate = 78438 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 9995 Kbps, Downstream rate = 39970 Kbps
B*CAT says unfortunate the guy has won the FTTC lottery with specs like this ;)
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latest stats, still on b206 chipset version.
# adsl info --vendor
adsl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason: 1
Last initialization procedure status: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 31208 Kbps, Downstream rate = 79998 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 79987 Kbps
ChipSet Vendor Id: IFTN:0xb206
ChipSet VersionNumber: 0xb206
ChipSet SerialNumber: 5501843597
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Here's mine. I'm on d086 with my AAISP line where the Zen line (now cancelled and fully refunded) was on b206. Line length is about 450m.
AAISP line
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason: 1
Last initialization procedure status: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 22641 Kbps, Downstream rate = 94182 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 54998 Kbps
DSLAM/MSAN type: IFTN:0xd086 / v0xd086
Modem/router firmware: AnnexA version - A2pv6F039v.d26a
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Not sure what mines currently on as I'm at work, but I'm surprised at how different mine and Ixels connection are given I'm also about 450 meters, possibly a little longer and on an ECI. Mind you I shouldn't really be surprised, I've always known my lines be at the bottom end of performance for the distance.
My connection sits around 47/8 at the moment, during a very brief power cut last night my attainable was around 57/10 if I remember correctly.
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Here's mine on an IDNet line:
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 26340 Kbps, Downstream rate = 89676 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 79987 Kbps
ChipSet Vendor Id: IFTN:0xb206
ChipSet VersionNumber: 0xb206
ChipSet SerialNumber: 5502325140
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Here's mine approx. 350 meters from the cabinet Aluminium cable BT 80/20
Stats recorded 25 Jan 2018 13:58:38
DSLAM/MSAN type: IFTN:0xb206 / v0xb206
Modem/router firmware: AnnexA version - A2pv6F039v.d26a
DSL mode: VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status: Showtime
Uptime: 9 days 22 hours 46 min 39 sec
Resyncs: 0 (since 21 Jan 2018 16:10:35)
Downstream Upstream
Line attenuation (dB): 14.4 0.0
Signal attenuation (dB): Not available on VDSL2
Connection speed (kbps): 46237 17652
SNR margin (dB): 5.9 6.0
Power (dBm): 4.8 4.8
Interleave depth: 1 1
INP: 0 0
G.INP: Not enabled Not enabled
Vectoring status: 5 (VECT_UNCONFIGURED)
RSCorr/RS (%): N/A 0.4573
RSUnCorr/RS (%): N/A 0.0000
ES/hour: 3.65 1.79/quote]
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Not sure what mines currently on as I'm at work, but I'm surprised at how different mine and Ixels connection are given I'm also about 450 meters, possibly a little longer and on an ECI. Mind you I shouldn't really be surprised, I've always known my lines be at the bottom end of performance for the distance.
My connection sits around 47/8 at the moment, during a very brief power cut last night my attainable was around 57/10 if I remember correctly.
I'm curious to know what version your line card is running. Two factors helped me though I believe.
1) The line card, the firmware 0xd086 version seemed to give me a speed boost compared to my other line which was on a line card running a different version (0xb206).
2) The SFI engineers. The very final one if I recall correctly did his best to find me the best possible pair along the route to the cabinet, checking every section of the route from the house to the cabinet. Although a problem is still present I'm happy with things as they are, just need to shake off interleaving again as I'd rather have a reduction in connection speed than +8ms on my ping. I notice it in first person shooters, hard to explain.
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Line card details attached.
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Another ECI connection here....
Around 400m line.