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Broadband Related => FTTC and FTTP Issues => Topic started by: renluop on October 08, 2016, 04:18:33 PM
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Driving past my cabinet the other day I saw a large surrounding area barriered off. Returning later I found that in addition to the cab having a pod, a further fibre cabinet had been installed. As you'll see Mrs PCP must ahe been puttting it around judging from the second offspring. :) Has this sort of thing been reported before?
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Every PCP in my area with 2 Fibre cabs has 1 of these pods. I think it's just an extension to hold the additional copper ties for the 2nd cab.
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I think it's just an extension to hold the additional copper ties for the 2nd cab.
You are absolutely correct. :)
What the second image discloses is interesting -- an Huawei SmartAX MA5603T equipped cabinet on the left and an ECI Hi-FOCuS M41 equipped cabinet on the right, both associated with the same PCP.
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What the second image discloses is interesting -- an Huawei SmartAX MA5603T equipped cabinet on the left and an ECI Hi-FOCuS M41 equipped cabinet on the right, both associated with the same PCP.
Exactly the same thing went through my mind. First time Ive seen that.
Thought I'd seen it around here (http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/images/fttc/ECI_PCP_Huawei.jpg), but further hunting revealed another PCP across the road from and on a corner.
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That's actually encouraging to see. I always assumed the way the element managers worked that they couldn't be mixed like that. My ECI cabinet is full and the PCP serves over 900 properties. Last engineer I spoke to guessed they would add another fibre cab in the near future. Hopefully they have completely given up on ECI and we'll get a Huawei.
If that happens I won't migrate ISP but rather cease my service and then make a new order in the hope of being provisioned on the newer Huawei. Does that sound possible? I'd guess a migration would keep me on the same cab/port, but cancelling my service would see that free port being used up.
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It's difficult to predict what might occur. For example in, say, a month's time renluop might add a new post to this thread saying that the original ECI cabinet has now been removed . . .
If that happens I won't migrate ISP but rather cease my service and then make a new order in the hope of being provisioned on the newer Huawei. Does that sound possible? I'd guess a migration would keep me on the same cab/port, but cancelling my service would see that free port being used up.
Hmm . . . If you really want to go down that route and, of course, it all depends upon what is subsequently installed to increase G.993.2 capacity via your PCP then it might be safer to have a new line and service installed. Once that has been done (and the xdslcmd info --vendor query returns BDCM) then cease the original line.
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Hmm . . . If you really want to go down that route and, of course, it all depends upon what is subsequently installed to increase G.993.2 capacity via your PCP then it might be safer to have a new line and service installed. Once that has been done (and the xdslcmd info --vendor query returns BDCM) then cease the original line.
:thumbs:
Sounds perfect.
never thought about the possibility of the ECI cab going. Area might be part of LR-VDSL2 trial or might require vectoring. I actually just noticed the new 384 line capacity on the MA5603T. Possibly better to swap out the ECI than add an additional cabinet if they only need a little more capacity. I wouldn't mind that being some new policy! keep us updated renluop
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I actually just noticed the new 384 line capacity on the MA5603T.
Yes there are new, higher port density, line-cards available from Huawei. (Up from 48-port to 64-port.)
The SmartAX MA5603T can still take a maximum of six higher port density line cards. The only minor problem is that the space available in the right hand side of the cabinet, where the tie-cables are terminated and the low-pass filters reside, needs to be enlarged.
Hence the relatively recent appearance of the following --
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For simple moi! How may pairs in the Huawei? If the ECI were removed, would the resultant net capacity be sufficiently augmented for the cost?
If I can, I'll be attempting to calculate how many premises in each post code are attached to that cabinet, just for my own amusement.
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The big, MA5603T equipped, Huawei cabinet has the capacity for 288 lines (unexpanded) or 384 lines (expanded) whilst the M41 equipped, ECI cabinet, has the capacity for 256 lines.
Reference: cabinet capacity (http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/fttc-cabinets.htm#fttc_cabinet_capacity).
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Has there been any developments here? Are both cabinets still in situ and if so is the Huawei active?
My oversubscribed ECI is suddenly taking orders, and a whole bunch of cones and barriers have appeared. Roadworks scheduled by OpenReach between 11th-17th at the location of my cabinet. I'm due to migrate on 18th but will likely cease the line and order a new service if a Huawei cabinet pops up during those works.
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Haven't looked at the site for some while, but whereas for months the checker has been negative, fibre is available once again. The estimates look from memory lower than before.
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A cabinet local to me with an existing ECI cabinet appeared on Roadworks.org showing a new cabinet scheduled to be installed, and checking on the Wholesale checker showed a waiting list in operation. Cones appeared, but when I went to look there was just fresh tarmac by the wall, seems like something stopped them installing the actual cab. Would have been interesting to see if it was a Huawei or ECI they were installing.
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I know of a place with a ECI cabinet and an large Huawei, was done recently P8 on the Hemsworth Exchange the cabinet passes 473 properties.
I'll get a picture when I have a chance.
I checked an address and their is a waiting list, demand must be pretty high for them to be installing a Huawei SmartAX MA5603T.
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I think there may be some regs how long a hole on the high/pathway can be left with an open hole. At least that was the case when BT had to repair my line, and there was a delay.
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Looks like I'm in the same boat as yourself. We got a Huawei 288 installed next to our ECI cabinet today. Cabinet is showing as full again so new cabinet definitely not taking orders. I'm just about to cancel my migration, as I'm willing to wait for the benefits of the Broadcom DSLAM. I'll try pop down and speak to the engineers installing the cabinet to get a likely activation date.
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added a couple pics of the activity at my cabinet
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My oversubscribed ECI is suddenly taking orders, and a whole bunch of cones and barriers have appeared. Roadworks scheduled by OpenReach between 11th-17th at the location of my cabinet. I'm due to migrate on 18th but will likely cease the line and order a new service if a Huawei cabinet pops up during those works.
Isn't there a chance that your "new service" will simply re-activate your previously ceased service, connected to the same port on the same ECI cabinet? Don't they just leave things connected so that the FTTC service can be immediately re-started without having to send someone out to the cabinet?
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I know that would definitely happen with a migration. I'll try taking out a 1 month contract FTTC and hope it's on the newer cab. My thinking there is that someone else will be given that port. Failing that a 2nd line. I'm off from Talktalk either way. IMO it's worth jumping a few hoops on the chance I'll get connected to the new DSLAM.
Very interesting seeing the mix of Huawei & ECI again. OR obviously installing exclusively Huawei now. All the other double cabs in my area had been twin ECI till now.
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Driving past my cabinet the other day I saw a large surrounding area barriered off. Returning later I found that in addition to the cab having a pod, a further fibre cabinet had been installed. As you'll see Mrs PCP must ahe been puttting it around judging from the second offspring. :) Has this sort of thing been reported before?
I also drive past that every day.
;)
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As an update to this, i am looking to change providers and looked at BT to see what they had.
Turns out the existing cabinet is full, so i guess the additional one is to add extra capacity.
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Distance for distance from the cab, I wonder if there is a performance premium of one type over the other.
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It would certainly be interesting to find out, but unless you got an existing line switched to the new cabinet we'll never know. G.INP would certainly help if the line was interleaved, then of course some bduk Huawei cabs also have vectoring enabled, which will of course help.
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roadworks.org now shows a cabinet due for installation next to mine in January. Hopefully a nice new Huawei cab will be installed :fingers: My cab currently shows a waiting list. There's a few around our area that are, or have been scheduled for new/second cabs to be installed, but not aware of any that have a second cab installed.
May have to order another line, and hope I get on the Huawei cab.
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I just passed my new Huawei cabinet and their was 3 OpenReach vans parked next to it running tests on the new DSLAM. I had a quick word with 1 of them and he reckons it will be active "in the next few weeks".
I really hope after the trouble I've gone through that I don't get thrown back on the ECI. Taking advice from my old case manager at OpenReach I've already terminated the current FTTC so my port has already been reallocated.
She actually gave me quite specific advice on how the allocations will work with a mix of cabinets, and what I'm best doing to get on the new cabinet. If I waited till the Huawei went live to terminate on the ECI, my line would be "left in the jumper" as all new orders will be on the Huawei. They wouldn't even visit the cabinet to disconnect my line, and any subsequent fibre order would be reactivated remotely on the same port. If I didn't cancel before the Huawei went live I would then need to wait for the Huawei to fill before my ECI port got reallocated. As there's no individual waiting list for each this would be impossible to tell from the BTw checker. Alternatively I would need to order an ADSL service for an engineer to remove my line from the ECI.
I'm very eager to see a direct comparison between the 2 cabinets. Ordering a 2nd line wasn't an option as I just can't justify paying for 2 lines for 9 months. The changes between the 2 on a different pair would not be a direct comparison either, and the geek in me wants to see that.
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Thanks for the info John, I think in our case I'd order a second line and then cancel the other, in the hope I get a better quality line as well. Our cabinets now not showing a waiters list, so I'll have to wait and see what happens is January.
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Our cabinets now not showing a waiters list, so I'll have to wait and see what happens is January.
My cabinet does that about once a fortnight, but later the same day/next day it goes back to waiting list. My guess is a free port came up as I know my cabinet has all it's line cards installed. I'd be surprised if your cabinet just had more capacity added if there's a 2nd cabinet on the way.
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My own cabinet has now flipped back to a waiting list again, and is still showing on Roadworks.org as a new cabinet being installed next week.
I checked on another local cabinet today, which is scheduled to have a new cabinet installed this week, and today what looks like a Huawei 288 /384HD FTTC cabinet has been stood alongside the original ECI cab. It was dark and raining, and I was driving so couldn't get a photo, but it's much larger than the existing ECI cab, and looks like the one in John's photo above as far as I can tell/remember. There's also another scheduled towards the end of January.
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Seems you may have got lucky then ronski :)
Wont happen for me as I already have 2 ECI cabs and from what I can tell openreach never seem to deploy 3rd cabinets.
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The Scottish Roadworks website isn't that detailed unfortunately. All works show on a map but the info for each only shows the company, dates booked, and if it's low/medium/high impact works. There's absolutely no info on what's scheduled to be done.
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Things seem to be afoot with my (OP's) cabs, though personally with an ADSL2+ sync ~8000 kbps, which is very good for exchange distance, the risk of a lousy D side knocking me down to the lower FTTC forecasts makes the attraction of fibre less glamorous. The new 18/2, were it ever to come here, would not be much worse. The only slight problem is intermittent OnDemand buffering, and a bigger one that PN might start charging me for having my phone with BT; something I avoid by being a customer prior to the charge's introduction.
Fool or wise man? ;D
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did the WBC FTTC Availability date show as "waiting list" before now? nice to see a date for the 2nd cabinet going live.
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Witing lists for months!
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Excellent! I know to wait for a date showing before ordering. My cabs been waiting list for months also but random days it shows available which must just be space on the existing cab or space on the waiting list
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Mines been the same for a while now - hopefully will get a nice shiny new Huawei this week, just like the one attached, which is NDRAM 5
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Seems I now have a nice big Huawei cabinet installed, only minor downside is they've installed it 40 to 50 meters from the PCP. There was an ideal looking space between the PCP and the ECI cab, but perhaps there's something underground as I'm sure they weren't worried about the aesthetics of what it looks like.
This is the second cab locally I'm aware of to get a large Huawei as a second cab (the first cabs being ECI), there's another one scheduled for a couple of weeks time. I also think that NDBRO 23 has also had a large Huawei installed as a second cab - this cab is close to NDBRO 35 and passing through that way the other day I'm sure I also spotted a small Huawei near NDBRO 35. So it certainly seems like BT are not installing ECI cabs any more.
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Seems I now have a nice big Huawei cabinet installed
excellent news. mine still not active. DSLAM installed, power attached, copper ties connected to new pod on PCP. Spotted an engineer running all sorts of tests on the DSLAM about a week ago, he was there for 2 days. Hopefully any day now it's up and running. I'm living off local BT WiFi-with-Fon from a neighbours line.
So it certainly seems like BT are not installing ECI cabs any more.
Absolutely agree with that. The appearance of an expanded Huawei MA5616T inbetween then and now is another nail in the ECI coffin. Huawei are still actively developing their hardware, offering larger line cards. ECI still can't fix their G.INP issues.
There's an ECI going live soon about a mile from me but the cabinet has been in place since 2014. Power issues severely delayed it.
I'd be surprised to see any newly planned ECI cabinets.
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good news ronski, by the way how do you use that roadworks site? everytime I used it it never shows whats planned.
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My showed as being available 12/1, and now Waiting List. Can both of them be full already?!
Some providers show Fibre available, yet BT's sidekick PN says "no", and can't even take orders, were anyone to ask.
PN ineptitude, or their master playing SBs to swallow PN up completely? ::)
Who makes, whet seems to be a rule, that resellers quote the lower clean download estimate? Unfair competion, perhaps.
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If the BTw DSL checker shows waiting list then nobody should be able to take an order. I would have expected your cabinet to show available not waiting list, after the date they provided.
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good news ronski, by the way how do you use that roadworks site? everytime I used it it never shows whats planned.
Roadworks.org doesn't cover all areas, if your council doesn't use it then I think they should have something else in place on their website. The roadworks website defaults to today, so I usually select next two weeks, or even up to twelve months.
Try looking at Broadstairs, and see what you can see.
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Mine just changed from waiting list to 17th :)
It's also letting me place an order
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Mines not shown a waiting list for some time now, which also means I can't verify whether it shows just my phone number or address as available when others have a waiting list.
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It changed at exactly midnight and now a waiting list again :(
I decided to wait till the date shown to order, hopefully it updates during the day. It seems very fast to sell at least 48 lines in the 12 or so hours it allowing orders. It changed from waiting list to 17th sometime after noon yesterday.
Is your cabinet still a waiting list renlup?
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@jOhn
....and even in the short time between your screenshots, the estimate has reduced! :o What will it be by the time you're on? :-\
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lol I noticed that. My top estimate has been 40mb high/clean for sometime now and I get 55mb fastpath. Let's see what I get on 24th :) Just ordered my new service.
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Let's hope you get on the Huawei cab :fingers:
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Mine has finally gone back to a waiting list. My phone number shows as being available (as I have FTTC), but my address shows a waiting list.
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Let's see what I get on 24th :) Just ordered my new service.
How did you get on John?
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Order has been delayed, but next to no explanation. Only notes from OpenReach is apparently "line plant 25/01/17". Passing the cabinet earlier there was an engineer working in the PCP with a laptop in front of him. 4 hours later he was still there.
BT have been pretty useless. The note on my account about the order being delayed appeared on 23rd. After a few calls to their foreign call centre I got no info at all. I had to choose "I want to cancel my order" to get a UK rep and get any details. They are going to ask OpenReach for more info and call me back.
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I've been given a new date of Friday 3rd Feb. The wait sucks but nothing I can do.
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Must be some problem with the new cab, let's hope you don't end up on the old cab.
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BDCM!
boom!
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Great news :thumbs:
You just need to update your forum signature and everything will be complete. ;)
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;D done
Most noticeable change is the big jump in upstream. From 6.8mb to 10.5mb.
Just had to cap my sync as my neighbour (only crosstalker) just turned on his modem. Just phone him to confirm lol. ES rates shot up and lost 0.5dB on the downstream, exact same as before. I really don't trust DLM. I'll wait for G.INP or interleaving before uncapping it, I don't want banded.
The problem that delayed my order still exists. A voltage problem on the E-Side. The line is failing sin 498 and there's no spare E-Side capacity. I only have an unfiltered rj45 port on my master socket, they can cut the E-side for all I care.
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G.INP certainly works very well on my line - gains me about an extra 7Mbps on the DS.
Your line appears to be maxed out at 54Mbps (6.2db SNR) but G.INP might still help with the ES count.
Out of interest how are you capping your sync - do you just re-sync when your crosstalker powers on?
:)
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Thats great news, especially concerning the upstream speed, mines been much lower than it should be.
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G.INP certainly works very well on my line - gains me about an extra 7Mbps on the DS.
Your line appears to be maxed out at 54Mbps (6.2db SNR) but G.INP might still help with the ES count.
Out of interest how are you capping your sync - do you just re-sync when your crosstalker powers on?
:)
with the telnet command
adsl configure --maxDataRate 40000 10000 100000
caps the line at 40mb/10mb (the 3rd figure can be left at 100000 for any cap)
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Thanks - I didn't realise you could do that with FTTC (I thought it was ADSL only).
:)
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j0hn whats the ECI stats like compared?
Seems I will soon be one of a few ECI people left on here soon. :(
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ECI
Fastpath: 55 down 6.8 up
Huawei
Fastpath: 54 down 11 up
Reckon G.INP will increase that a little. Lower target SNRM should help too.
Important to note for good comparison that the D-Side has remained completely unchanged. My phone line has remained active between the change of cabinet. The Hlog/QLN differ slightly but that may be the tie cables or how the DSLAM's interpret the line differently.
I've had to cap my line as it smashes ES limits on fastpath when my crosstalker is online
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you got a comparison of bitloading for US?
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Seems I will soon be one of a few ECI people left on here soon. :(
Don't forget Kitz. :-X
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me kitz and skyeci :(
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:( :( :(
Shame as I am in the new snrm profile area but being on ECI >:(
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And myself, I look forward to getting G.INP back.
I did see someone on MDWS had G.INP enabled on an ECI cab a few days back, presumably from them having the TV service.
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Me too! Also had tv since late Oct but no re-appearance of G.inp yet.
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you got a comparison of bitloading for US?
My line won't run fastpath without DLM hammering me, but fortunately MDWS has saved a single snapshot of my line at 55mb on the ECI cab.
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And myself, I look forward to getting G.INP back.
I did see someone on MDWS had G.INP enabled on an ECI cab a few days back, presumably from them having the TV service.
Hi Tony.
Can you expand please on who that might have been. When openreach were dealing with my complaint I was told taking bt tv would not bring back G.INP as I wanted it back on my line etc.
Cheers
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Would it not be better to let the DLM go through it's motions IE: fastpath for 2 days and if the ES goes above the DLM threshold then it's interleaved and at some point you'll be switched over to G.INP just thinking that manually capping the modem the DLM then thinks you don't need G.INP :-\
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Nothing much to say really other than that I already said... The person concerned hasn't uploaded much and isn't online currently (cwave) but when he first came on MDWS he had no G.INP but a while later over two single one minute uploads uploads on the 28th Jan (and nothing since), the flag showing G.INP as enabled was set in the DSLStats upload and there was data in the corresponding G.INP data columns plus a high INP level. Whether has has the TV service I have no idea, it was something postulated on here some time back but no idea when.
His Bits/Tone are not very good for elucidating with certainly what cab he has BUT he uploaded a DSLStats result early on and that says:
Stats recorded 02 Jan 2017 21:10:44
DSLAM/MSAN type: IFTN:0xb206 / v0xb206
Modem/router firmware: AnnexA version - A2pvI042c.d26d
DSL mode: VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status: Showtime
Uptime: 3 days 14 hours 36 min 30 sec
Resyncs: 0 (since 02 Jan 2017 21:09:11)
Downstream Upstream
Line attenuation (dB): 26.2 0.0
Signal attenuation (dB): Not monitored
Connection speed (kbps): 16296 2190
SNR margin (dB): 4.1 6.4
Power (dBm): 6.4 6.3
Interleave depth: 319 1
INP: 3.00 0
G.INP: Not enabled Not enabled
Vectoring status: 5 (VECT_UNCONFIGURED)
RSCorr/RS (%): 0.3610 0.0108
RSUnCorr/RS (%): 0.0002 0.0000
ES/hour: 0 0
So ECI it is. And on that date (2nd Jan) there was no G.INP but by the 28th there was for the whole 2 minutes of upload he managed.
Maybe it was accidentally enabled - or a trial - or a glitch - or even aliens, you'll have to decide or investigate further yourself.
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It was probably a glitch. He did say in 1 of his posts Zyxel told him his modem was faulty. It was on that specific day too
http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,19135.msg341655.html#msg341655
Would it not be better to let the DLM go through it's motions IE: fastpath for 2 days and if the ES goes above the DLM threshold then it's interleaved and at some point you'll be switched over to G.INP just thinking that manually capping the modem the DLM then thinks you don't need G.INP :-\
I would have had thousands of ES today. The way banding is being thrown about by DLM I'm not risking that. G.INP is also set to all lines by default, no matter the ES rate. With this cap I'm still going to have almost 1000 ES today. I've no doubt G.INP will be applied.
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G.INP is also set to all lines by default, no matter the ES rate.
That is what I thought in the past but if a look at sheepie g g.inp is taking longer than expected for it's return and that is 23 days since the DLM reset
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Good point, but the time taken to apply it has often gone up and down. As quick as 2 days and as slow as 4 weeks. I remain under the impression that G.INP is applied to all lines that support it. Besides, I've spent the last 2 months piggy backing a 3mb ADSL line. I can live with 40mb for a couple weeks lol.
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. When openreach were dealing with my complaint I was told taking bt tv would not bring back G.INP as I wanted it back on my line etc.
Cheers
Should be back next month according to this.
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/4527806-dsl-checker-gfast.html?fpart=3#Post4528034
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Well we will see. As I posted some months ago I was told if testing went well which was mentioned as oct-dec 2016 it may return from April sometime...
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This software will be tested by Openreach during Q3 (Oct-Dec) with deployment likely to commence, in consultation with the Service Provider community around April 2017.
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cwave was my stats but changed the router to VMG8324 because Zyxel said they have a problem with the modem code in VMG1312 and they will release new software in March. I don't believe that VMG8324 is supported on mydslwebstats
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I don't believe that VMG8324 is supported on mydslwebstats
It is.
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MDWS isn't interested in what modem you use, although it allows you to enter it manually if you wish. DSLstats supports the VMG8324-B10A.
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Ok thanks. I have setup it up again.
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and you do indeed have G.INP active on your line.
you're definitely on an ECI cabinet yes?
not being a BT TV customer, perhaps your cabinet is 1 trialing the new G.INP firmware
could you post the results of adsl info --vendor for us
or post the 1st line from the Stats tab in DslStats, it starts "DSLAM/MSAN type:"
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he is coming up as huawei now :(
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It said ECI an hour ago
also
http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,19135.msg340221.html#msg340221
that post shows him as ECI
Unless he has both cabinets and got a port swap. I know he was having problems
edit: definitely been swapped to Huawei looking at the tones in use. Oh well.
elliott, were you even aware that Openreach changed you from 1 cabinet to another? or that you had a new cabinet installed at your PCP?
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We have had engineer visits as had issues but didn't get a report on cabinet change.
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DLM appears to be completely ignoring my line.
I've been live for 22 days and it's still not applied G.INP.
That's nothing new though, we've seen long waits for G.INP before. What I haven't seen before is DLM ignoring ES numbers completely.
I've smashed the ES limit for the past few days but still my line is running fastpath.
Anyone seen this happen before?
Sorry about the huge screenshots, I'm on my mobile.
Minted on MDWS
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Just checked your stats John. Its concerning you still have red x3 and no g.inp.... perhaps the cab was not setup properly when it was commissioned? -that ECI just wont let you go ;)
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Anyone seen this happen before?
Yes - when DLM considers there to have been a "wide area event". Electrical storm can trigger that detection.
Though maybe not for a few days running.
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A bit of an aside, if you'll excuse it!
Going to catch the bus other day, I saw the next cab down the road from mine, #8, had a large hole, roughly 3 x 2 safety barriers in size, with two sets of cables emerging from pipes. Seemed a large hole. I'd love to know what's up, but at 10 a.m.there was no one to ask.
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. . . #8, had a large hole, roughly 3 x 2 safety barriers in size, with two sets of cables emerging from pipes.
From your description I will suggest that a new jointing chamber is being built. Possibly just an enlargement of what was previously available. I don't suppose you can recall if a joint-box lid was present at that location? Is the hole in the pavement/footpath or the roadway?
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Just checked your stats John. Its concerning you still have red x3 and no g.inp.... perhaps the cab was not setup properly when it was commissioned? -that ECI just wont let you go ;)
Turns out that OpenReach have told BT my order is delayed, and BT have confirmed I have no active packages/products. I was informed by the OpenReach engineer who enabled my line there was a problem on the E-Side (No working free pairs) and they would come back and fix that soon. I never noticed that BT hadn't billed me at all.
So looks like DLM isn't watching my line as my order isn't complete. I've had free broadband for nearly 2 months. No idea if the landline works as I have an unfiltered DSL only faceplate installed. Just tried my phone number on the BTw broadband availability checker and it says no data for this number. I knew there was an issue with the order, but assumed the account was activated.
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From your description I will suggest that a new jointing chamber is being built. Possibly just an enlargement of what was previously available. I don't suppose you can recall if a joint-box lid was present at that location? Is the hole in the pavement/footpath or the roadway?
On the footpath; actually I posted a pic on forum of a smaller hole some years back, at the time fibre was being introduced, that was pretty well in same location. Can't say as to joint box now!
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On the footpath; actually I posted a pic on forum of a smaller hole some years back, at the time fibre was being introduced, that was pretty well in same location. Can't say as to joint box now!
Thank you. I suspect that it just to give some more room by replacing an existing joint-box with a newer, larger version.
Who knows, perhaps it is to create sufficient underground space for a G.9700/G.9701 (a.k.a. G.Fast) node? :-\
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Brain had miraculous idea and I looked up Roadworks org.
Location:
OPP JUNC EASTFIELD LANE ON, SOUTHAMPTON ROAD
Description:
Build 1 concrete chamber 2315mm x 737mm x 1565mm deep in Footway