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Computer Software => Windows 10 => Topic started by: NewtronStar on September 27, 2016, 10:33:51 PM
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Have seen this a dozen times where a popup saying Ram is low close application
Ok my internal ram is only 3GB and it hits 2.5GB used with 3 programs running it's the first time I have ever come a cross this situation on a MS OS.
It states that Windows 10 64 Bit OS will run with 2GB of internal Ram installed but honestly I think it needs 8GB or more of internal Ram installed to run many programs so purchased 2x4GB ram modules to see if this fixes that issue.
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Could always just increase the size of the page file. Applications exhaust virtual memory (i.e. simulated RAM), not physical RAM. Buying more physical RAM will make the box go faster too though.
Is there a possibility that there is a memory leak? That is, some software that keeps on using more and more virtual memory because it's forgetting about stuff it is no longer using and just requesting more and more instead of releasing no-longer-used memory areas back to the system.
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One of the few good features with win10 is it supports ram based swapfiles, what is that and what is the point of it?
They borrowed the feature from android where by one makes a ram disk, use it as virtual memory space, and everything that goes in it is compressed. The consensus is that compressing and decompressing is quicker than physical media i/o. Especially if its spindle discs.
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It depends on the user but 3GB RAM is not something I'd normally recommend, a while back I was running Chrome - and admittedly I'm lazy and open new windows rather than closing old ones - and it was using over 20GB of RAM(32GB system). The minimum I'd suggest for general use is 8GB and ideally 16GB. 3GB RAM is in the Android smartphone range.
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By the way, I meant ‘pagefile on hard disk’, or on SSD, even better. None of this irrelevant weird madness with RAM-based ‘swapfiles’. Which would be just a way of using up more precious RAM and causing performance problems.
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yeah chrome on my rig routinely uses 7+ gig of ram by itself.
I have been considering bumping this rig to 32gig for a while as 16gig is a struggle but I am not sure if using all 4 of my ram slots is stable as i had issues trying to use all 4 slots when I got the board.
My laptop I get by with 8 gig of ram tho I just dont use chrome on it.
Weaver the compressed ram disk is automated in windows 10 and as far as I know cannot be disabled.
Of course one should always have a physical swap file enabled, the sites that tell you to turn it off are bad advice.
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We need to be very careful when we talk about how much RAM (virtual memory or physical RAM) an application or other component is using, because some designs will simply try to find a use for as much spare RAM as possible in order to improve performance, caching is a prime example (and not just disk caching). Caching the results of work that has been carried out saves having to repeat that work again. If done intelligently, exploiting RAM as much as possible comes simply down to making the best use of resources, but there can be an element of voodoo in getting the balance right, since having to kick out dirty pages to free up some physical RAM for an essential use has a cost and squandering RAM because of ‘optimisation’ strategies when other processes really need it does not make sense. Any such behaviour needs to be adaptive, flexible and well-tested in umpteen scenarios and can easily backfire.
A web browser might in theory save the results of rendering a web page, either just saving the results of the layout calculation or even going as far as saving the entire page image drawn, and might save downloaded cached pages in virtual memory rather than just on the hard disk. Rather vague, but many years ago, I got the feeling that in some circumstances Opera was keen to cache web pages more than IE6 in terms of responsiveness when hitting the ‘back’ button.
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The two 4GB Dimm's arrived but neither of them worked no boot not even getting to the Bios setup though modules are the same type and rate so it's being returned to the seller :(
Here is pic of the stats for working 2GB Dimm and info for the purchased 4GB Dimm -> 4GB (1X4GB) PC2-5300 5300P DDR2-667MHz ECC Registered 240 Pin DIMM Dual Rank Memory RAM x 2
Can anyone here help me purchase compatible ram
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What's your motherboard/model number?
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No matter I think this is down to the EEC registered (buffered) the Ram that works on my PC is unregistered Un-buffered Non-ECC memory so what I purchased was Server memory which won't work no wonder it only cost £15 for 2x4 GB >:(
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No matter I think this is down to the EEC registered (buffered)
But it still might be worthwhile letting others check for you. :-\
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I am to embarrassed BC the motherboard is old it's no I3/I5/I7 with DDR3 all I wanted is to play Rise of the Tomb Raider on Win 10 as it does play until the Ram runs out.
Asus P5QPL-AM :paperbag:
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Oh well thanks for the help ::)
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I have only been able to find the following --
Memory
2 x240-pin DIMM, Max. 8 GB, DDR2 1066(O.C.)/800/667 Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory
Dual Channel memory architecture
** Refer to www.asus.com or user manual for Memory QVL (Qualify Vendor List)
*** When installing total memory of 4GB capacity or more, Windows® 32-bit operation system may only recognize less than 3GB. Hence, a total installed memory of less than 3GB is recommended.
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Thats it Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory but I have check ebay and amazon and can see a few 4GB modules and they are from £35 to £65 so 8GB is going to cost me £100.
Now there are some china stuff which cost less but not going there just don't trust that country one bit !
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For £100 you may well be able to buy a more modern used/refurbed motherboard
+CPU from eBay and a stick of 8GB DDR3(think I paid about £23 for a brand new item not so long ago) - then if you feel like adding more memory it'll be cheap. My current motherboard is second(or maybe third?) hand, and the one before that was an Amazon return - experienced no problems in either case. :)
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Don't forget to also check suppliers like RS Components (http://uk.rs-online.com/web/c/computing-peripherals/data-storage-memory/computer-memory-modules/?searchTerm=Kingston&searchType=Brand) or Farnell Electronics (http://uk.farnell.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?pageSize=25&st=computer+memory&catalogId=15001&categoryId=700000005285&langId=44&storeId=10151).
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For £100 you may well be able to buy a more modern used/refurbed motherboard
+CPU from eBay and a stick of 8GB DDR3
Indeed phi2008 that is the way I am thinking even DDR3 ram is cheaper than DDR2, I used to update PC mobo every two years and tried my best to keep with up newer hardware but the income is less these days the one thing that kept me updating the PC was games have fallen way behind.
So bought Rise of Tomb Raider key £18.99 and can only play it on Windows 10 64Bit and the memory runs out and have to close the program :D
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That is the problem, pricing is all about the numbers the parts are been manufactured in, DDR2 now will only get more expensive as its becoming a niche product.
With that said I do have some DDR2 chips I was planning to sell.
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Newt I just looked at the DIMMS, tell me what you think is a fair price.
I got 2 OCZ PC6400 1 gig sticks
PN OCZ2P80QR226K
Also 2 Corsair XMS2 1 gig sticks
CMX2X1024-6400
I havent powered on the system the sticks were installed in for at least 3 years, but they were working fine when was last used. If you do buy them I will let you send them back if they not working properly.
Actually thinking about this, these are useless for you, as with all 4 slots most you would get is 4 gig of ram. Sorry I couldnt help.
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Indeed phi2008 that is the way I am thinking ...
Take a look at AMD, everything's cheaper and will work well for most people. In fact I reckon there's a good chance you could afford a brand new AM3+ motherboard and CPU if you take the AMD route. My previous board was AMD and excellent value for money.
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Wait for zen to come out and prices for current gen AMD hardware will drop further also.
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quad-Core-Gaming-PC-Tower-PC-With-WIFI-8GB-1TB-HDD-1GB-Graphics-Windows-7/252419015368
Although there is better class stuff around for the £250-300 price range. Amd fx chips.
[Moderator edited to remove the complexity from the above link.]
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Thanks Chry for the offer :) EEC 2X4GB sent back to seller to-day, I moved away from AMD to Intel chipsets in 2002 so don't much about the performance on them these days.
When looking around I see 4GB 240pin Dimms for AMD will those work on Intel chipsets ?
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Sorry to hear about memory problems, btw I get out of memory messages even with 16Gb of the stuff, esp scanning ??? still looking for clues :-\
Novatech, local to me has these
http://www.novatech.co.uk/motherboardbundles/view/mbb-53004d.html
http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/motherboards/intelsocket1151/h110chipset/b-ga-h110m-s2h.html
Do you use internal or external graphics card?
Robin
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amd and intel dont have their own ram, what you looking at is the class of ram.
So DDR2, DDR3 and now DDR4.
To a lesser degree is also the voltage spec of ram so e.g. is some 1.5v DDR3 ran and some 1.35v DDR3 ram, some DDR3 systems will only work with 1.35v ram.
Laptops to make this more complicated tend to have their own type of ram on top of that.
Also ECC ram which is typically for server systems, and non ECC for desktop systems.
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Novatech, local to me has these
http://www.novatech.co.uk/motherboardbundles/view/mbb-53004d.html
http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/motherboards/intelsocket1151/h110chipset/b-ga-h110m-s2h.html
Do you use internal or external graphics card?
Thanks parkdale that is the same company I got this Mobo from long time ago and use external graphic card GTX 650 1GB that 1st link looks good and will look into it later on.
amd and intel dont have their own ram, what you looking at is the class of ram.
So DDR2, DDR3 and now DDR4.
To a lesser degree is also the voltage spec of ram so e.g. is some 1.5v DDR3 ran and some 1.35v DDR3 ram, some DDR3 systems will only work with 1.35v ram.
Laptops to make this more complicated tend to have their own type of ram on top of that.
Also ECC ram which is typically for server systems, and non ECC for desktop systems.
Thanks Chry nearly forgot about Dimm voltages this mobo DDR2 uses 1.8v .
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ahh thats where your memory's gone :-\
If you only have 3Gb, the Graphics card will 'map' 1 Gb and then you need shadow ram and o/s on top.... I think :'(
did you turn off internal graphics?
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Once you install an external GPU the motherboard should automatically turn off internal graphics if my memory serves me right.
When I used XP VISTA WIN8.1 never seen an issue with Ram running out warnings until WIN10 64BIT its not just in this one game it happens on Chrome application one app that really uses Ram is Flightradar24.com ???
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Here is some Ram on ebay yes it's 6400 (800 Mhz) which this mobo can use now read this it's only compatible with AMD mainboard chipset it's DDR2 ram 1.8v 240pin Non-ECC Unbuffered CL6
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8GB-2x4GB-240PIN-PC2-6400-DIMM-DDR2-800MHz-for-AMD-CPU-Motherboard-Memory-RAM-/281931332368?hash=item41a46abb10:g:ZEoAAOSwx-9Wugh (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8GB-2x4GB-240PIN-PC2-6400-DIMM-DDR2-800MHz-for-AMD-CPU-Motherboard-Memory-RAM-/281931332368?hash=item41a46abb10:g:ZEoAAOSwx-9Wugh)
will it work ?
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I don't see why that ram shouldn't work with an Intel CPU, if the spec is right for your motherboard.
Saw this today, not a bad price given what's included
http://www.ebuyer.com/751879-zoostorm-delta-tower-desktop-pc-9873-0187
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Hi Ronski purchased the ram it arrived this morning and guess what the PC won't post even to bios :sob: another load of sticks being returned gutted don't know what to do next.
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I sympathise as has happened to me...
Until I found this:
http://uk.crucial.com/gbr/en/systemscanner (http://uk.crucial.com/gbr/en/systemscanner)
Download from that page and run. It doesn't always work but most of the time it does!
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Many thanks Tony system scanner worked and it only gives me a choice of either 2X2GB (4GB) or 2X1GB (2GB) modules so I think this mobo cannot take 4GB Dimms yet it says 8GB max in the manual.
Looks like i'll have to start building a new PC from scratch or buy a cheap 2nd hand system
cheers to all the helpful members :)
edit: my last post for update
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It's possible that your mobo needs a firmware upgrade. That might be worth checking out on the manufacturer's site.
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Sorry eric I didn't see the view all button and it gives me the 4GB modules so 8GB kit 2X4GB will cost £215 :o and this is the latest & last firmware for this mobo
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Many thanks Tony system scanner worked and it only gives me a choice of either 2X2GB (4GB) or 2X1GB (2GB) modules so I think this mobo cannot take 4GB Dimms yet it says 8GB max in the manual.
Looks like i'll have to start building a new PC from scratch or buy a cheap 2nd hand system
cheers to all the helpful members :)
edit: my last post for update
8gb max probably means the total amount of memory, assuming it has 4 dimm slots that would mean 2 gig dimms :(
Seems you might be better off buying one of these systems people have posted.
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Sorry eric I didn't see the view all button and it gives me the 4GB modules so 8GB kit 2X4GB will cost £215 :o and this is the latest & last firmware for this mobo
That's from Crucial/Micron who are expensive... Try searching ebay for the identical parts?
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4GB sticks of DDR2 always are fairly expensive though, because being the maximum size, there are two options: buy the RAM, or buy a new system.
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That's from Crucial/Micron who are expensive... Try searching ebay for the identical parts?
I'll do my best Tony going to paste the Ram specifications here so don't have to run the scanner again will try ebay one more time :hmm:
Crucial 8GB Kit (2 x 4GB) DDR2-666 UDIMM
CT1004220
• Brand: Crucial
• Form Factor: UDIMM
• Total Capacity: 8GB Kit (2 x 4GB)
• Warranty: Limited Lifetime
• Specs: DDR2 PC2-5300 • CL=5 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR2-667 • 1.8V • 512Meg x 64 •
• Series: Crucial
upgrade for ASUS P5QPL-AM system
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newt your board has 2 or 4 slots?
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newt your board has 2 or 4 slots?
Sorry Chry for not replying to your last post the motherboard is micro atx form factor it only has two rams slots available to me but is seems to work in dual channel mode with 1GB and 2GB modules
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Looks like your motherboard will only support a maximum of 4GB of ram
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5KPLAM/specifications/
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given the info ronski found its probably prudent to cancel the order for the ram.
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given the info ronski found its probably prudent to cancel the order for the ram.
Have not even started looking for ram Chry was going to start this on monday and still awaiting response from seller on the last sticks I purchased for return & refund.
Just going to use Win10 64bit and Win 8.1 32 bit with 3GB and start the purchase process for a more upto date system 1st Quarter
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Found a workable solution and weaver mentioned it earlier if I increase the Virtual memory (paging file) by 3000MB (3GB) the PC thinks I have 6GB now I can play Rise of Tomb Raider on Win10 64 Bit with no ram issues though with a lot more HD activity going on
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Asus P5QPL-AM :paperbag:
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5KPLAM/specifications/
Which motherboard is it? P5QPL-AM does say 8GB, P5KPL-AM says 4GB.
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Well spotted ejs. I followed a link on another forum.
Perhaps that motherboard is very fussy about the ram or it was faulty.
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5QPLAM/specifications/
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Hi ronski
I hope you don't mind, but you could try a cheap ssd3 drive and set it up as a scratch disk to PC (used for paging file etc)
This should give you a more responsive PC unless your already using ssd
Many thanks
John
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Earlier I tried to lookup what "for AMD only" RAM might be. I didn't find anything definitive. Then I looked at the supported memory configurations in the Intel datasheet for the G4x chipset on the motherboard. I'm not really sure what the problem might be, not helped by the detailed memory specs not always being listed. I suspect the problem might be something to do with the capacity or quantity of the memory chips on the DIMM being greater than what the G4x chipset can support.
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I've had ASUS motherboards that have been "fussy" about RAM but only when it comes to dual-channel operation.
They do generally have an "approved" list (I think there was a reference to that via one of the motherboard links above) if you really want that to work, otherwise I've just used more generic modules of an acceptable specification and run single-channel.
I think the "approval" is down to detailed timings of the ram - latency etc. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_timings
My main W10 PC (typing this on it) has 8GB ram and is using about 2.8GB when not doing much, so I guess 3GB is going to be a bit tight and involve a fair bit of paging.
I generally try to follow the old 70% rule on real memory, so I would probably get away with 4GB. The analogy I use is fitting furniture into an office and changing the layout; if it's covering 70% of the floor space it's getting really difficult to move it around!
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Hi ronski
I hope you don't mind, but you could try a cheap ssd3 drive and set it up as a scratch disk to PC (used for paging file etc)
This should give you a more responsive PC unless your already using ssd
Many thanks
John
It's NewtronStar that has the ram problem, I have a mere 32GB at my disposal having recently built a new PC
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I think memory timings are more about optimal performance rather than whether it will work or not work. Even with the memory speed, I think DDR2 800 RAM ought to work fine at the lower 667 speed.
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I think memory timings are more about optimal performance rather than whether it will work or not work.
Indeed, that's why I said it was the dual-channel performance that I found often didn't work, reverting to single-channel mode.
The relevant memory QVL list is the second download here, it looks pretty comprehensive: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5QPLAM/HelpDesk_QVL/
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Just having another look at that QVL, I can't see any combinations that go above 4GB. But the basic specs say max 8GB in just 2 slots. ???
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Ah sure I still remember the commodore Amiga ram issue with sticks not working from old PC's think it had to be no more or less than 40 nano seconds.
I suspect the problem might be something to do with the capacity or quantity of the memory chips on the DIMM being greater than what the G4x chipset can support.
I agree with EJS that does seem like what is going on and the timing ratings are fine and as sellers don't give out these fine details then it's going to pot luck so have gave up looking for a ram upgrade on old P5QPL-AM it has and still is still serving me well on the WIN8.1 harddisk
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increasing swap will work to keep the system stable and allowing more stuff to run, but with the risk of a performance impact, so its down to you to decide if performance is still acceptable. Bear in mind even systems with lots of ram often use "some" swap as its efficient to swap out data thats not been accessed for a long time.
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The performance in the game is most of the time like treacle it's unplayable and yeap got a ram warning last light after 3 stages and it closed down it's very hit an miss even trying to run it again.
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It's sorted the pagefile in Windows 10 is to small for me it was set at 512MB set by the system increasing the pagefile to 3000MB helps but with stuttering as the pagefile swap & applications loading compete against each other on the same hard drive
So changed/moved the Win10 pagefile location to the second physical hard drive and it's smooth fast and enjoying Win10 64Bit ROTTR game with only 3GB Ram
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Ok my internal ram is only 3GB and it hits 2.5GB used with 3 programs running it's the first time I have ever come a cross this situation on a MS OS.
It states that Windows 10 64 Bit OS will run with 2GB of internal Ram installed ................
Resurrecting this thread and going back to the start I realised that another of my W10 systems (used mainly by SWMBO) only has 2GB of ram yet is 64-bit and works fine! ???
It's an old micro-tower HP box built for Vista and has a dual-core 2.6GHz AMD Athlon processor. 2GB is the limit.
I was wondering if there's any way of effectively increasing the ram with an SSD say, maybe using ReadyBoost (about which I know next to nothing)?
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Readyboost is effectively the same as sticking a swapfile on the SSD, just that readyboost was a dumbed down easy way to do it.
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Ah that readyboost used to use this on Vista you would use a compatible USB memory stick for the superfetch thing to speed up loading times from often used programs that was held on the HDD but made no difference that I could see
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The thing with readyboost is that you need a fast USB interface and really fast read throughput from the flash. A lot of devices simply aren't up to it.
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Would avoid ebay when purchasing ram upgrades for your PC as it's just a minefield out there use MR Memory as they use your motherboard ID to get the correct ram specs needed for mobo with excellent service.
https://www.mrmemory.co.uk/ (https://www.mrmemory.co.uk/)
PS hope this does not comes across as advertising it's just to help any other members during ram upgrades
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PS hope this does not comes across as advertising
No, not at all. It is clear that you are sharing information which may assist other members. :)