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Broadband Related => Telephony Wiring + Equipment => Topic started by: gazaai on August 12, 2016, 11:31:12 AM

Title: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: gazaai on August 12, 2016, 11:31:12 AM
Hi, just letting you guys know that the NTE5C master socket is available now from run it direct.
Here are the links to the products:

NTE5C Master Socket:
https://www.run-it-direct.co.uk/nte5cmastersocket.html

NTE5C & MK4 Filter:
https://www.run-it-direct.co.uk/mk4btopenreachvdslsocket.html

Will be interesting to see the results compared to mk3 filters.

Thanks :)
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: broadstairs on August 12, 2016, 12:46:06 PM
Problem as I see it is that you need the whole thing as I dont see how the MK4 plate will fit an existing NTE5, and you are not supposed to fiddle with the NTE5 yourself.

Stuart
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: gazaai on August 12, 2016, 01:50:57 PM
Problem as I see it is that you need the whole thing as I dont see how the MK4 plate will fit an existing NTE5, and you are not supposed to fiddle with the NTE5 yourself.

Stuart
Yeah you'll need the whole thing for the mk4 filter to work. I was about to buy it but at 32.99 it just seems a bit expensive. Especially if I don't like the results compared to my Mk2 I am running at the moment. Yeah I know you aren't supposed to mess around with the wring etc but hey ho

Edit:
Well I have went ahead and ordered the Socket and filter, so I will be posting my results comparing:

NTE5A Mk2 & Mk3
vs
NTE5C Mk4
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Weaver on August 12, 2016, 03:09:41 PM
Would be very interested in seeing the results of your comparison. It's difficult to avoid DLM mucking up the results, but if you don't mind taking lots of time over it, then you can get the right results.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: digitalnemesis on August 12, 2016, 03:12:05 PM
Interested in comparison results.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: gazaai on August 12, 2016, 03:15:34 PM
Yeah I will try and get the most accurate results, its a real shame that I don't have G.INP yet as that would be the most accurate. But hopefully soon as its been around 5-6 weeks now. I'm hoping for a lower Attenuation and hoping the error rates may change too.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: burakkucat on August 12, 2016, 04:06:44 PM
So far, to date, I have not heard any whispers that the actual circuitry of the Mk 4 SSFP is any different to that of the Mk 3. The only difference might just turn out to be a different presentation of the same circuitry.  :-\

The end results, after a longish period of testing, will most certainly be appreciated and gazaai's proposed experiments, for the furtherance of our collective knowledge, shows devotion to the cause.  :)
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: gazaai on August 12, 2016, 04:15:23 PM
Well we will see, at least there is the benefit of a nicer looking socket on the wall, if there turns out to be no difference. I am not actually expecting much to be honest, I just like to try out the latest products that is all. You can see the difference in circuit design here between a Mk2 and Mk4, which does look the exact same as the Mk2 components like you said:

(https://www.run-it-direct.co.uk/images/mk2vdslpcb.jpg)(https://www.run-it-direct.co.uk/images/VDSLMK4pcb.jpg)
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Black Sheep on August 12, 2016, 04:17:56 PM
Are there more windings on the MK4 coil, or are my failing eyes betraying me ??
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: gazaai on August 12, 2016, 04:19:09 PM
Are there more windings on the MK4 coil, or are my failing eyes betraying me ??
Looks like it, I wonder if this may increase the attenuation even more than the mk3 filter lol  :-\
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Black Sheep on August 12, 2016, 04:20:32 PM
Be interesting to see the effect on line attenuation.  :)
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: ejs on August 12, 2016, 04:51:25 PM
I think the picture on the left is a picture of a Mk2 (also check the image file name - mk2vdslpcb.jpg). We already know there's a difference between the Mk2 and the Mk3.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: digitalnemesis on August 12, 2016, 04:58:14 PM
Well we will see, at least there is the benefit of a nicer looking socket on the wall, if there turns out to be no difference. I am not actually expecting much to be honest, I just like to try out the latest products that is all. You can see the difference in circuit design here between a Mk3 and Mk4, which does look the exact same as the Mk3 components like you said:

(https://www.run-it-direct.co.uk/images/mk2vdslpcb.jpg)(https://www.run-it-direct.co.uk/images/VDSLMK4pcb.jpg)

That's the MK2 filter you've linked to "mk2vdslpcb.jpg". I have the MK3 filter which has more windings than that.

From what I can see on my MK3 faceplate, the MK4 appears to have similar amount of windings.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: gazaai on August 12, 2016, 05:54:27 PM
Oh thanks for clearing that up digitalnemesis :)
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: S.Stephenson on August 12, 2016, 06:26:55 PM
I hope it beats the MK3 but I cant see it being any better than going straight through, seems expensive though you can get MK3 for under £10.

Maybe the prices will drop when people start stealing them from work :lol:
(https://s10.postimg.org/gqiptphft/Sockets.jpg)

Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: gazaai on August 12, 2016, 06:56:41 PM
S.Stephenson I already have a Mk3 and didn't like it all. Didn't have any advantage over the Mk2. Attenuation was higher, ES, CRC the same and sync/attainable was lower. Yeah it is pretty expensive for what it is but oh well at least it looks better than the old NTE5A :)
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: digitalnemesis on August 12, 2016, 07:01:11 PM
S.Stephenson I already have a Mk3 and didn't like it all. Didn't have any advantage over the Mk2. Attenuation was higher, ES, CRC the same and sync/attainable was lower. Yeah it is pretty expensive for what it is but oh well at least it looks better than the old NTE5A :)

Similar to my findings, the MK3 is too aggressive and lowered my attainable by 2 Mbps. My MK1 gave highest sync.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: gazaai on August 12, 2016, 07:20:08 PM
Similar to my findings, the MK3 is too aggressive and lowered my attainable by 2 Mbps. My MK1 gave highest sync.
Out of interest have you tried Mk2, I have not tried a Mk1 maybe this would be even better than my Mk2 lol
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: NewtronStar on August 12, 2016, 07:44:03 PM
The T2 toroid common mode choke looks the same as the MK3 and there is a limit to the given frequency spectrum it has to work on, the only attenuation increase from MK1 to MK3 was 0.5dB my line adjusts by that much from winter to summer.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: S.Stephenson on August 12, 2016, 09:07:25 PM
I have a MK1 and it didn't change my sync at all vs the MK3 attenuation was raised by 0.1db though. I might have another fiddle around with it though.

I thought the best way technically if you don't have a bad line the way my 2nd line it set up with no filters whatsoever with a straight pass through is best?
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: burakkucat on August 12, 2016, 09:17:45 PM
If the circuit is not used for a telephony service than no SSFP nor microfilters, etc, will be required.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: underzone on August 12, 2016, 09:50:03 PM
Correct, if all you use your telephone line for is broadband (no voice calls) then all you need is this on the end of your BT line in:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31C-4ZaeqUL.jpg)

Plug it into your modem/router... but keep your NTE5 handy in case you ever need to report a fault  ;)
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: NewtronStar on August 12, 2016, 10:46:05 PM
The only reason for me to purchase this new NTE5c & MK4 is if the profile is less than the NTE5 and MK3 which sticks out in the hallway by 2 inches like a sore thumb
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Weaver on August 12, 2016, 11:58:47 PM
If you don't use an ordinary telephone, and so don't need the BT-phone type socket, then straight-through faceplates for DSL, which go onto the older NTE5, are available from the Andrews and Arnold shop. AAISP shop:
    http://aa.net.uk/broadband-accessories.html

(Note: You don't have to be an existing ISP-customer.)
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: NewtronStar on August 13, 2016, 12:36:49 AM
But most ISP's broadband package are sold with voice package I know to love Andrews and Arnold but try not to look like one of there sales reps on the forum  ::)
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Weaver on August 13, 2016, 03:41:14 AM
No offence intended. Apologies if I have misunderstood: Was just a hardware tip for their well-priced useful small items from their shop. If I sounded like a sales rep, then this was unintended. You all know I'm a big fan of A&A, but I wasn't intending to make a sales pitch for an ISP’s service. I just recommend things that I've found useful so as to give an honest tip. I also wanted to save people the effort of digging and web-researching if they want to find a useful item. If I annoy people, then I will completely stop posting, as being unhelpful is not my intention. Peace and love etc.  ;D
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Weaver on August 13, 2016, 03:43:17 AM
You will probably find that you get less stick-outage with these straight-through faceplates, as they only slot into the lower half of the older NTE5, as opposed to covering the entire front or sticking out.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Chrysalis on August 13, 2016, 03:58:10 AM
for me the MK socket slightly lowered sync with no affect on ES etc.  So I dont expect this to help my line either.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: S.Stephenson on August 13, 2016, 04:56:12 PM
But most ISP's broadband package are sold with voice package I know to love Andrews and Arnold but try not to look like one of there sales reps on the forum  ::)

I have a voice package of which I don't use, I've used the no filter faceplate with absolutely no negative effects.

Unless there's something I'm missing, I have tried ringing the line to see if I would cause an error spike but nothings ever happened.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: gazaai on August 13, 2016, 05:38:34 PM
The NTE5C and Mk4 Filter are now installed. Comparing to a NTE5A + Mk2 VDSL Filter Setup:

Attenuation has stayed the same.

DLM has lowered the Interleaving a tiny amount, this will be nothing to do with the NTE5C tho. Its just doing its thing.

The Sync speed and Attainable rate is lower than before with a lower SNR as well for the downstream.

Not looking good so far for the downstream but so far the upstream is looking healthier.

Error seconds may be interesting tho.

You can see my full stats on MyDSLWebStats, username: GaZaai
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: ejs on August 13, 2016, 05:55:47 PM
This thread reminded me of something from SOGEA E2E Proposition.pdf (http://www.fcs.org.uk/image_upload/files/16-07-26%20SOGEA%20E2E%20Proposition.pdf)

There must be some slight difference with the NTE5c if it will be possible to determine its presence remotely with "line test signatures".
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Weaver on August 13, 2016, 06:39:44 PM
@ejs - That's very weird. If they can really remotely detect the type of NTE5, then that means it's distorting the upstream signal in some way, which is bad. If it's generating a return signal as a  conditional response to some incoming "activate test" signal, then that would be expensive, complicated with a significant component count and would cause some insertion loss (attenuation).

Surely they mean that they just consult their records? If you've bought your own NTE5C then that would be considered naughty in any case if you replaced the existing NTE5, but you could always chain the new device off the old instead.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: digitalnemesis on August 13, 2016, 07:09:53 PM
Out of interest have you tried Mk2, I have not tried a Mk1 maybe this would be even better than my Mk2 lol

Don't have the MK2 :)

I posted some results here, MK1/MK3 vs Cat5e/Cat6 http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,17760.0.html
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: ejs on August 13, 2016, 07:23:54 PM
@Weaver

It's probably something like the testing described in BT SIN 351 section 10, not upstream DSL frequencies. Similarly, apparently there's a difference between having a master socket vs. having no master socket and connecting the pair of wires straight into the DSL socket of a modem.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: burakkucat on August 13, 2016, 08:09:35 PM
. . . apparently there's a difference between having a master socket vs. having no master socket and connecting the pair of wires straight into the DSL socket of a modem.

The difference being the series connected 470 k Ohm resistor and the 1.8 micro Farad capacitor shunt across the pair.  ;)
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: j0hn on August 16, 2016, 12:58:09 PM
If you don't use an ordinary telephone, and so don't need the BT-phone type socket, then straight-through faceplates for DSL, which go onto the older NTE5, are available from the Andrews and Arnold shop. AAISP shop:
    http://aa.net.uk/broadband-accessories.html

(Note: You don't have to be an existing ISP-customer.)
I've ordered this, but they don't like making it easy to purchase if you're not a customer. The order confirmation says they will not invoice me until they have supplied the goods. They will not send the goods till I pay. I won't know the delivery charge till they invoice me. So how do I pay for delivery if they won't tell me how much delivery is till I've paid? After querying this via email and asking if there is a shipping charge the reply I got was..
Quote from: AAISP
Yes, Post and packaging costs will be added to your invoice as per the
order confirmation.

Once payment has been made, We will send you the goods.

Thank you
wtf?!?
I'm just going to transfer £6 and see how it goes lol
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: gazaai on August 16, 2016, 01:46:12 PM
I don't think your ordering it correctly. I added mine to the basket, then paid via PayPal the shipping was added to the price before paying.

Also I have already sold mine on eBay, the NTE5C did not fit in the box within my wall, as my master socket is flush with the wall like a mains socket. Also the speed was no different from a Mk3, so at the moment I have switched to a standard dangly filter and NTE5A and the speeds are the highest I've ever seen them. I guess as I have no extensions a filtered faceplate especially with the coil found in mk2,3 & 4 actually make my speed slower rather than faster. Mk1 might be perfect for my line tho.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: j0hn on August 16, 2016, 01:56:29 PM
I was talking about the lower broadband only unfiltered faceplate for the nte5a from AAISP, like I quoted  :P
I wouldn't pay that much for the nte5c/mk4.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: gazaai on August 16, 2016, 01:59:25 PM
Oh right I understand now lol :D
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: aesmith on August 16, 2016, 04:00:18 PM
I was talking about the lower broadband only unfiltered faceplate for the nte5a from AAISP, like I quoted  :P

Let us know what the postage charge applies in the end.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Weaver on August 16, 2016, 07:43:03 PM
That's not good at all. Very annoying.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: aesmith on September 01, 2016, 10:39:29 AM
Openreach round again today, and we now have the new Mk.5 master socket with Mk4 filter.  Are Openreach now swapping to the new ones as a matter of routine?   I can't see any particular other reason to fit it in our case, since the existing parts had been replaced only a month or so ago after the lightning damage.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Geekofbroadband on September 02, 2016, 11:12:55 PM
Does the whole thing just screw into a standard BT back-box?
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: burakkucat on September 02, 2016, 11:29:01 PM
Does the whole thing just screw into a standard BT back-box?

In theory it should. Including the standard recessed, metal, electrical backing box.  :-\

If it doesn't, then someone has severely blundered and a redesign will have to occur.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Weaver on September 03, 2016, 01:19:15 AM
Is there any chance of asking for an upgrade? Might come in useful some day, as Mrs. Weaver find’s it difficult to get to the test socket, and sometimes I'm either out of it or my hands don't work. Actually the alternative would just be to pretend I got to the test socket and use the right rj11-rj11/rj45 (or whatever) lead that a wired conventional phone takes. >:D I think we still keep one somewhere for the inevitable, annoying and obligatory listening test.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: aesmith on September 03, 2016, 08:05:25 AM
Does the whole thing just screw into a standard BT back-box?
Yes.  He didn't change the back box.
Is there any chance of asking for an upgrade? ...
The downside is you wouldn't be able to fit the A&A DSL, as the layout is completely different with the test socket near the middle.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Black Sheep on September 03, 2016, 09:10:32 AM
In theory it should. Including the standard recessed, metal, electrical backing box.  :-\

If it doesn't, then someone has severely blundered and a redesign will have to occur.

FYI ...... part of a quote from our CE's office .........

" .... you need some spacers in case you need to fit the NTE on a metal pattress or dry lining back box until the MK2 becomes available."
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: tgwallbank on September 03, 2016, 04:29:00 PM
I am just interested as to why this does not flush mount onto a recessed back box set into the plaster. If any one has got one what modifications, if any, where required. I am having to change a damaged mk3 vdsl unit and was thinking of obtaining this latest offering.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Weaver on September 03, 2016, 04:34:47 PM
@aesmith Clarify - does the new model NTE come with a filter in it? Too groggy to read back through all the earlier threads. Apologies.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: burakkucat on September 03, 2016, 06:30:07 PM
FYI ...... part of a quote from our CE's office .........

" .... you need some spacers in case you need to fit the NTE on a metal pattress or dry lining back box until the MK2 becomes available."

Ah, ha! So someone in the design process (and I fully expect the person responsible to be external to the BT Group) has blundered!  :D
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: burakkucat on September 03, 2016, 06:38:53 PM
@aesmith Clarify - does the new model NTE come with a filter in it? Too groggy to read back through all the earlier threads. Apologies.

Currently it is available in two configurations --
The difference between the two configurations is purely in the clip-on front face-plates.

For usage in your environment you would be advised to use the former. (There will be a small insertion loss with the latter and that is something you need to avoid.)
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Weaver on September 03, 2016, 06:48:23 PM
Many thanks for that summing up. So for the first option I'd have to change over to different modem-to-wallsocket cables. Probably a bad idea, and an inconvenience, so as the change would only be about increased convenience then perhaps I would be better sticking as I am.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: burakkucat on September 03, 2016, 08:02:18 PM
Yes, I would agree with your conclusion.

To make use of the plain telephony NTE5/C you would need three leads with BT 431A/631A plugs at one end and 6P6C (RJ11) plugs at the other end.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Black Sheep on September 04, 2016, 09:08:09 AM
Ah, ha! So someone in the design process (and I fully expect the person responsible to be external to the BT Group) has blundered!  :D

Ha ha ....... in fairness to innovators, I don't suppose there's many 'Version 1's' that remain so. But given that there aren't that many scenario's regarding the NTE back-box installations, I'd say it is a slight faux-pas  ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Bowdon on September 10, 2016, 10:24:05 PM
The My Mate Vince youtube channel guy as just made a video on this product. Have a look;

The New NTE5C BT OPENREACH Master Phone Socket & MK4 VDSL faceplate

Quote
Hi, this video is an introduction to the new NTE5C master socket and MK4 VDSL faceplate by BT Openreach. It explains the differences between the old NTE 5A master socket and the new NTE 5C and the pros and cons.
Installation videos will follow on how to wire up extensions and how to hardwire data extensions on the MK4 faceplate.
Many thanks Vince

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkFMfB-DYmQ[/youtube]

There is a thread on the forum about his other videos: http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,14869.0.html (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,14869.0.html)
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Geekofbroadband on September 10, 2016, 11:49:45 PM
hehehe I told him to make a video about it  :D
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Weaver on September 11, 2016, 04:36:16 AM
In that Mr Telephone video, the presenter, Vince, demonstrated some worrying problems with the new BT Openreach MK4 VDSL/ADSL filtered faceplate on the accompanying NTE5C. The front plate could come off too easily. Just knocking it could pull it half off, one side having come out. Also problems with running cables into the new NTE5C because of limited space.

A very clever design, but this thing of coming off too easily, without pressing the two release clips on the sides, needs to be fixed. And if you have infants about, they can keep taking the front of the NTE5C off or taking the MK4 SSFP off far too easily and you can't stop them, which will cut off your DSL service. These last two issues are going to cause a lot of tech support calls.

Pressac have done a great job, but it isn't finished. They should be ensuring that there's an effective lock on the device. I'm also concerned about the lack of positive pressure on the metal-to-metal contacts. With the screws in the earlier design, the NTE5A, there was always pressure on the contacts. Where's the pressure now?
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: aesmith on October 17, 2016, 09:29:12 AM
The front plate could come off too easily. Just knocking it could pull it half off, one side having come out
Mine's been installed for just about a month and a half.  The front plate is so loose that just unplugging the phone cable is enough to pull it free on that side.  It really doesn't take much to pull the plate off, even without depressing the clips.   That might be a design goal so that snagging a cable pulls the plate off rather than breaking anything, but if so they've overdone it.  Mine's going to get a couple of self tappers to keep everything secure, it's either that or discard the front plate and use a dangly filter in the test socket.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Black Sheep on October 17, 2016, 09:35:22 AM
I've been fitting these for around a month now ..... and can honestly say the frontplate has always been quite secure when the job is complete.
As with any change, I didn't like them at first ...... especially as my failing eyesight struggled to see if the wires were 'all the way home' before pushing down on the connector itself, but familiarity has overcome this now.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: aesmith on October 17, 2016, 11:54:11 AM
The guy who fitted mine was the same, he said the "tool free" design was actually slower for him than using the tools he was used to.   Does the new design mean that the connections can be re-made after disconnection, without having to cut off the previously used ends?   I can't see what other benefit it would have for Openreach on their side of the demarcation.
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Black Sheep on October 17, 2016, 12:40:50 PM
I will always cut-back on where the wires were previously terminated. I think it is just good practice to do so.
 
Regarding the process being "Slower" ...... I suppose it is, but you're talking in the area of additional seconds so it's not a game-changer in that respect.

As regards the benefit to Openreach ?? I'm only guessing here, but the 'Tool-less' design has probably been introduced as a means of eventually saving on the tool budget. With 24,000 engineers requiring 24,000 Krone tools at approximately one a year, that will be a no brainer to a bean-counter !! It's not just NTE's that are going tool-less ...... the street cabinets are as well. :)
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: Weaver on October 17, 2016, 07:00:25 PM
Is it possible that there was an initial duff batch which were loose, and they then tightened up the tolerances so Black Sheep has seen later good units?
Title: Re: NTE5C / MK4 Filter 2016 Version now available for purchase!
Post by: PhilipD on October 27, 2016, 06:50:50 PM
Hi

I will always cut-back on where the wires were previously terminated. I think it is just good practice to do so.
 
Regarding the process being "Slower" ...... I suppose it is, but you're talking in the area of additional seconds so it's not a game-changer in that respect.

As regards the benefit to Openreach ?? I'm only guessing here, but the 'Tool-less' design has probably been introduced as a means of eventually saving on the tool budget. With 24,000 engineers requiring 24,000 Krone tools at approximately one a year, that will be a no brainer to a bean-counter !! It's not just NTE's that are going tool-less ...... the street cabinets are as well. :)

Also time is saved from not having to screw the front back on, it pushes on, plus I suspect it will save call outs from people being about to get to the test socket easier, i.e. some people especially older could struggle with what might seem a simple task to us, removing two screws.

Regards

Phil