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Broadband Related => Broadband Hardware => Topic started by: oldfogy on April 01, 2008, 05:01:27 PM

Title: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: oldfogy on April 01, 2008, 05:01:27 PM
How all occasions do inform against me,
And spur my dull revenge! What is a man,
If his chief good and market of his time
Be but to sleep and feed? A beast; no more.
Sure he that made us with such a large discourse,
Looking before and after, gave us not
That capability and god-like reason
To fust in us unus'd. Now whether it be
Bestial oblivion, or some craven scruple
Of thinking too precisely on th' event, -
A thought which, quarter'd, hath but one part wisdom,
And ever three parts coward, - I do not know
Why yet I live to say, This thing's to do;
Sith I have cause, and will, and strength, and means
To do 't. Examples, gross as earth, exhort me:
Witness this army of such mass and charge,
Led by a delicate and tender prince,
Whose spirit with divine ambition puff'd,
Makes mouths at the invisible event,
Exposing what is mortal and unsure
To all that fortune, death, and danger dare,
Even for an egg-shell. Rightly to be great
Is not to stir without great argument;
But greatly to find quarrel in a straw,
When honour's at the stake. How stand I, then,
That have a father kill'd, a mother stain'd,
Excitements of my reason and my blood,
And let all sleep? while, to my shame, I see
The imminent death of twenty thousand men,
That for a fantasy and trick of fame,
Go to their graves like beds, fight for a plot
Whereon the numbers cannot try the cause,
Which is not tomb enough and continent
To hide the slain? - O, from this time forth,
My thoughts be bloody, or be nothing worth.
But in truth I still know not now.
On a daily basis should my modem sleep.
Should my router also follow suite and die.
In reward for this lack of power and energy save.
My pockets may swell, though not a lot.
For my knowledge I must know.
Before I turn out the light and sleep.
Title: Re: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: kitz on April 01, 2008, 05:50:32 PM
Gosh thats one heck of a way to start a debate.  :D

My routers dont get no sleep.   I did regretfully retire one after many years constant use though.
I think someone once worked out the cost of leaving it on all the time and it worked out at a few quid per year.
Title: Re: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: oldfogy on April 01, 2008, 05:58:31 PM
I think I can manage the odd couple of quid a year, (just)
It's just I can't determine if there is any or no benefit from turning off my "Cable" Modem and Router on a daily basis.

I recently got one of those "PowerDown" adaptors so now whenever I turn off the PC it automatically turns off anything else that is plugged into it.

" A normal re-start of the PC does not activate the PowerDown socket as there is a five second delay before it disconnects any other ancillary equipment "
Title: Re: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: Ezzer on April 02, 2008, 11:18:05 AM
A Sync', A sync'; My Kingdom for a Sync' :P

or

I Sync', therefore I am on line  ;D

or

I wandered lonely as a cloud
That floats on high o'er vales and hills,
When all at once I saw a Wep code,
A router, called golden daffodils;
Beside the lake, beneath the trees,
I managed to log-on, with great eeze.
  :lol:
Title: Re: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: grumpy old man on April 05, 2008, 09:13:30 PM
In latest issue of CA in answer to letter on subject of reducing electricity consumption it was suggested that if not using computer for a few days then router should be powered down. 

The advice I have been given is to kept router on at all times to maintain the sync speed.

gom
Title: Re: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: oldfogy on April 05, 2008, 09:24:47 PM

The advice I have been given is to kept router on at all times to maintain the sync speed.

gom
I'm not disagreeing with you but I think that advice is more relevant to ADSL type connections not so much with Cable.
Or does the same apply to Cable modems?

As I don't know, any answer would be appreciated.
Title: Re: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: Ezzer on April 05, 2008, 09:31:37 PM
The only 2 problems with switching the router off is either causeing repeated drops and resyncs, approx 10 within an hour and the DLM may think hello what's going on hear" and then put the brakes on a bit to see if it stablises. Howeve just switching off normaly would'nd have any affect.

The system allow several resyncs in case some ones chopping and changing around routers or connections at home.

The other is you may miss some software up dates from the isp but this should sort itself the next time your switched on and logged on.

there is an altruistic reason as well if you have something like BT Fusion or the new Anywhere package as you wireless signal allows anyone near by to link to the net on their Mobile if on the same package which is of course recipricated as you're out and about.

The one time to always concern yourself with not just switching the router off, but physicaly disconecting anything with modern delicate electronics (routers pc's, tv's dvd's etc etc) from power and telephone sockets is if ther is a hint of a thunder storm.

Although your property may not get hit, the mains and telephony are both like casting a nice big net to bring a lightning strike back home. A surge protector will give you a 50:50 chance. If enough energy comes through then some will still get through an cook anything at the far end (although a surge protector is well worth having just in case, and also if something funny is being used nearby on the mains which sends waves of energy coming back to your home)
Title: Re: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: oldfogy on April 05, 2008, 10:09:06 PM
The only time it may have multiple switch off's is if I'm having major problems, creating an image or restoring an image of the HDD, under these circumstances then maybe not more than 3 or 4 times within an hour.

Anti surge and UPS protection is well taken care of, besides I think the church steeple next door would be struck before my property, although that would not eliminate a surge down the cable line.

But I have to point out that this is a "Cable" system and not a ADSL system.
Title: Re: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: soms on April 05, 2008, 10:44:41 PM
I am one of those people where if lightning is highly likely will unplug everything to be on the safe side.

Out of interest, in an ADSL modem/router, when logged into the web/management interface and you choose "Disconnect", I guess this only disconnects the PPP session and it doesn't send that signal to the DSLAM (i cant remember the name, was it "last breath" or something?) which suggests the link has been properly terminated as opposed to a loss of sync etc.

It would be preferencial to do this before powering down/unplugging the ADSL if this made any difference.
Title: Re: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: Pwiggler on April 06, 2008, 07:45:08 AM
for the sake of a few quid a year, i cant be doin with sittin down at my pc, clickin IE and gettin 'page cannot be displayed' only to find i forgot to switch the homehub on ...... mines only bin turned off for about 5 mins in the last year and that was to reset it !
Title: Re: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: oldfogy on April 06, 2008, 09:32:14 AM
Quote
I recently got one of those "PowerDown" adaptors so now whenever I turn off the PC it automatically turns off anything else that is plugged into it.
But also when the PC is turned back on, everything else is automatically turned back on including the Modem, Router and Monitors.
Title: Re: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: scottiesmum on April 06, 2008, 09:55:34 AM
I wonder what Shakespeare would think about being quoted on a computer forum !!     

"Is this the  computer age of our discontent"   
Title: Re: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: oldfogy on April 06, 2008, 10:17:48 AM
Well considering he was quite a radical person I think he would thinking it was PC.

But seriously, thanks for all the replies they have given me something to think about.
And I think maybe it's time to draw this thread to a close.
Title: Re: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: UncleUB on April 06, 2008, 10:18:57 AM
I wonder what Shakespeare would think about being quoted on a computer forum !!    

"Is this the  computer age of our discontent"  


Or,  Alas Poor Eric,I new him well.
Title: Re: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: scottiesmum on April 06, 2008, 10:41:00 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: roseway on April 06, 2008, 11:07:55 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: kitz on April 21, 2008, 11:21:47 AM
>> Out of interest, in an ADSL modem/router, when logged into the web/management interface and you choose "Disconnect", I guess this only disconnects the PPP session and it doesn't send that signal to the DSLAM (i cant remember the name, was it "last breath" or something?) which suggests the link has been properly terminated as opposed to a loss of sync etc

I think it depends on the router + firmware in use. 

ATM Im using a voyager 2100 on which "disconnect" only stops the PPP session as you say.   
However on some other routers (such as the SAR110/ Voyager 205 etc) you actually stop "the loop".
If I do this on my SAR110, then the sync light actually goes out too.

Ive no idea though which routers do what.
Title: Re: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: kitz on April 21, 2008, 11:23:03 AM
>>> I Sync', therefore I am on line 

I like that - 
hmmm  I need a new sig :)
Title: Re: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: mr_chris on April 21, 2008, 10:57:23 PM
You always need a new sig :P
Title: Re: To Sleep poor modem or Not to sleep, That is the question.
Post by: oldfogy on April 21, 2008, 11:04:54 PM
Chris, you have to remember it's "Need or Want" ?
Or is that for a signature on the next cheque  :-X

Actually I forgot we even had signatures because I always have them turned off.