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Title: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 14, 2016, 11:18:19 PM
Could it be gone very soon?

Downstream Rate: 34999 Kbps.


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Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: N0STIE on April 14, 2016, 11:21:00 PM
Could it be gone very soon?

Downstream Rate: 34999 Kbps.

That is just a speculation :D
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: Dray on April 14, 2016, 11:22:01 PM
That would be funny  :giggle:
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: N0STIE on April 14, 2016, 11:22:13 PM
Infinity1 is 40/10 - for the next 45 minutes  :bye:

More like 45 days :P
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 14, 2016, 11:28:12 PM
If it is an upgrade, I hope they don't refer to the BT Broadband Availabilty Checker result for my phone number otherwise I'll have to report a telephony fault.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: mlmclaren on April 14, 2016, 11:29:18 PM
If it is an upgrade, I hope they don't refer to the DSL checker otherwise I'll have to report a telephony fault.

Do you have a Telephone fault?
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 14, 2016, 11:31:44 PM
Do you have a Telephone fault?

No, but I have a banded line hence why I'm quite excited.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: mlmclaren on April 14, 2016, 11:36:59 PM
Do you have a Telephone fault?

No, but I have a banded line hence why I'm quite excited.

So your going to waste a telephone engineers time, get charged b y your ISP for wasting an engineers time and even if the engineer was the nicest person on the earth still wouldn't have the ability to reset your line...

What speed did you get before band and whats your BT Wholesale estimates? and whats your DSL stats?
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: N0STIE on April 14, 2016, 11:38:11 PM
If it is an upgrade, I hope they don't refer to the BT Broadband Availabilty Checker result for my phone number otherwise I'll have to report a telephony fault.

They do, they can't make a line "better" so if you are unable to achieve more than 40mbps, then you will not benefit from this upgrade except unbanding if they'll reset DLM.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 14, 2016, 11:39:41 PM
Do you have a Telephone fault?

No, but I have a banded line hence why I'm quite excited.

So your going to waste a telephone engineers time, get charged b y your ISP for wasting an engineers time and even if the engineer was the nicest person on the earth still wouldn't have the ability to reset your line...

What speed did you get before band and whats your BT Wholesale estimates? and whats your DSL stats?

Fair point. 40000 Kbps before the banding, 33.1 Mbps download and SNR Margin is 10/6 with 0 ES on Downstream.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: mlmclaren on April 14, 2016, 11:43:34 PM
40000 Kbps before the banding, 33.1 Mbps download and SNR Margin is 10/6 with 0 ES on Downstream.

So just to confirm that's 10db downstream SNR and 6db upstream SNR?
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: Dray on April 14, 2016, 11:44:23 PM
I got my DLM reset no probs
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 14, 2016, 11:57:22 PM
40000 Kbps before the banding, 33.1 Mbps download and SNR Margin is 10/6 with 0 ES on Downstream.

So just to confirm that's 10db downstream SNR and 6db upstream SNR?

Yes.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: mlmclaren on April 15, 2016, 12:07:12 AM
40000 Kbps before the banding, 33.1 Mbps download and SNR Margin is 10/6 with 0 ES on Downstream.

So just to confirm that's 10db downstream SNR and 6db upstream SNR?

Yes.

Right, well then I recommend you getting in touch with BT tomorrow using the Live Chat in the following link.... http://btsupport.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/53505

This link is whats been given to me by BT's Twitter team (@BTcare)... they seem to know a lot more than BT's tech support chat which as you probably would guess seems to be oversea's...

Ask them if they know what SNR is???

When they reply yes ask them if they know what a banded profile is, and go from there and just explain that your SNR is 10db and the connection syncing correctly at 6db will boost your speed back to its previous...

If it comes to it ir it actually was the case, tell them that you had a fault with the router that cause DLM issues and that you would like them to request a line reset from BT Wholesale or Openreach...

Hopefully this works out for you, I seem to be getting more sense out of them at the moment, but then my many tweets to them over the past 3-4 months are not what they would consider good for their public profile and customer service portal.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 15, 2016, 08:28:11 AM
40000 Kbps before the banding, 33.1 Mbps download and SNR Margin is 10/6 with 0 ES on Downstream.

So just to confirm that's 10db downstream SNR and 6db upstream SNR?

Yes.

Right, well then I recommend you getting in touch with BT tomorrow using the Live Chat in the following link.... http://btsupport.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/53505

This link is whats been given to me by BT's Twitter team (@BTcare)... they seem to know a lot more than BT's tech support chat which as you probably would guess seems to be oversea's...

Ask them if they know what SNR is???

When they reply yes ask them if they know what a banded profile is, and go from there and just explain that your SNR is 10db and the connection syncing correctly at 6db will boost your speed back to its previous...

If it comes to it ir it actually was the case, tell them that you had a fault with the router that cause DLM issues and that you would like them to request a line reset from BT Wholesale or Openreach...

Hopefully this works out for you, I seem to be getting more sense out of them at the moment, but then my many tweets to them over the past 3-4 months are not what they would consider good for their public profile and customer service portal.

I shall try that if the upgrade doesn't go well. LOL.

I've managed to get the upgrade but surely the reset has to be done by an engineer?
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: WWWombat on April 15, 2016, 09:18:15 AM
I've managed to get the upgrade but surely the reset has to be done by an engineer?

DLM is reset as an integral part of reprofiling the line to a new package. It all happens in the central operational system, no engineer involved.

When an engineer fixes your line, the DLM reset he asks for is triggered in the same operational systems. In that case, it is keyed in by operational staff, who have to be phoned by the engineer, who presumably has to give a job number.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 15, 2016, 09:24:29 AM
DLM is reset as an integral part of reprofiling the line to a new package. It all happens in the central operational system, no engineer involved.

When an engineer fixes your line, the DLM reset he asks for is triggered in the same operational systems. In that case, it is keyed in by operational staff, who have to be phoned by the engineer, who presumably has to give a job number.

Sounds good, ooo to be on that old line state again! This time, I probably will only reboot the router once to reset the line counters after resync, then I'll probably start uploading to MDWS again! :D
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: gt94sss2 on April 15, 2016, 10:36:27 AM
Sounds good, ooo to be on that old line state again! This time, I probably will only reboot the router once to reset the line counters after resync, then I'll probably start uploading to MDWS again! :D

Given your history probably better not to resync for at least 4/5 days after you have been regarded - certainly not just to reset the line counters.

OTOH it would be nice if you could start uploading to MDWS now so it captures the regrade and we might learn more about the impact/change on of the speed increase on the line..
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 15, 2016, 11:03:35 AM
Ok, thanks for the advice. I will do as you say and not even touch the Billion BiPAC 8800NL! I can start uploading now if you wish. :)
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 15, 2016, 11:24:55 AM
We're back on MDWS! ID is WGrimsley!
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: Ronski on April 15, 2016, 01:22:37 PM
Showing as down since 11:28
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: Dave2150 on April 15, 2016, 07:10:51 PM
40000 Kbps before the banding, 33.1 Mbps download and SNR Margin is 10/6 with 0 ES on Downstream.

So just to confirm that's 10db downstream SNR and 6db upstream SNR?

Yes.

Right, well then I recommend you getting in touch with BT tomorrow using the Live Chat in the following link.... http://btsupport.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/53505

This link is whats been given to me by BT's Twitter team (@BTcare)... they seem to know a lot more than BT's tech support chat which as you probably would guess seems to be oversea's...

Ask them if they know what SNR is???

When they reply yes ask them if they know what a banded profile is, and go from there and just explain that your SNR is 10db and the connection syncing correctly at 6db will boost your speed back to its previous...

If it comes to it ir it actually was the case, tell them that you had a fault with the router that cause DLM issues and that you would like them to request a line reset from BT Wholesale or Openreach...

Hopefully this works out for you, I seem to be getting more sense out of them at the moment, but then my many tweets to them over the past 3-4 months are not what they would consider good for their public profile and customer service portal.

I decided to give this a go. Surprising enough, it worked! I now have an engineer booked to "check my cabinet" on Tuesday the 19th. I presume the person I spoke to realized that an engineer needs to come to give the go ahead to reset the DLM to remove the banding from my line. Many thanks for the information  :cool:

Brief background on my connection/issue: I had Sky FTTC for around 2 years, sync'd at 33-34mbit with the usual 6DB SNR, completely stable though heavily interleaved. I moved to BT Infinity option 1 and it decided to apply banding to my connection, restricting my sync to 27400Kbps. Weeks have gone by and no sign of the banding being removed. G.INP was applied to my line recently, which pumped up my max attainable rate to 38mbit. SNR while banded is 10-11DB.

I've attached a screenshot of the live chat, for anyone interested (edited out personal information and the Surname of the agent I spoke with)

(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FTFzegnD.png&hash=7a9597bc821e2e6b169d9c30cb340c2f0e658476)
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 15, 2016, 07:23:38 PM
I decided to give this a go. Surprising enough, it worked! I now have an engineer booked to "check my cabinet" on Tuesday the 19th. I presume the person I spoke to realized that an engineer needs to come to give the go ahead to reset the DLM to remove the banding from my line. Many thanks for the information  :cool:

Brief background on my connection/issue: I had Sky FTTC for around 2 years, sync'd at 33-34mbit with the usual 6DB SNR, completely stable though heavily interleaved. I moved to BT Infinity option 1 and it decided to apply banding to my connection, restricting my sync to 27400Kbps. Weeks have gone by and no sign of the banding being removed. G.INP was applied to my line recently, which pumped up my max attainable rate to 38mbit. SNR while banded is 10-11DB.

I've attached a screenshot of the live chat, for anyone interested (edited out personal information and the Surname of the agent I spoke with)

(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FTFzegnD.png&hash=7a9597bc821e2e6b169d9c30cb340c2f0e658476)

Oh, I should of done this weeks ago, ah well not long now until it's removed! :D
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: mlmclaren on April 16, 2016, 04:53:18 AM
40000 Kbps before the banding, 33.1 Mbps download and SNR Margin is 10/6 with 0 ES on Downstream.

So just to confirm that's 10db downstream SNR and 6db upstream SNR?

Yes.

Right, well then I recommend you getting in touch with BT tomorrow using the Live Chat in the following link.... http://btsupport.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/53505

This link is whats been given to me by BT's Twitter team (@BTcare)... they seem to know a lot more than BT's tech support chat which as you probably would guess seems to be oversea's...

Ask them if they know what SNR is???

When they reply yes ask them if they know what a banded profile is, and go from there and just explain that your SNR is 10db and the connection syncing correctly at 6db will boost your speed back to its previous...

If it comes to it ir it actually was the case, tell them that you had a fault with the router that cause DLM issues and that you would like them to request a line reset from BT Wholesale or Openreach...

Hopefully this works out for you, I seem to be getting more sense out of them at the moment, but then my many tweets to them over the past 3-4 months are not what they would consider good for their public profile and customer service portal.

I decided to give this a go. Surprising enough, it worked! I now have an engineer booked to "check my cabinet" on Tuesday the 19th. I presume the person I spoke to realized that an engineer needs to come to give the go ahead to reset the DLM to remove the banding from my line. Many thanks for the information  :cool:

Brief background on my connection/issue: I had Sky FTTC for around 2 years, sync'd at 33-34mbit with the usual 6DB SNR, completely stable though heavily interleaved. I moved to BT Infinity option 1 and it decided to apply banding to my connection, restricting my sync to 27400Kbps. Weeks have gone by and no sign of the banding being removed. G.INP was applied to my line recently, which pumped up my max attainable rate to 38mbit. SNR while banded is 10-11DB.

I've attached a screenshot of the live chat, for anyone interested (edited out personal information and the Surname of the agent I spoke with)

(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FTFzegnD.png&hash=7a9597bc821e2e6b169d9c30cb340c2f0e658476)

I'm glad my advice helped or atleast inpsired you to battle BT... hopefully your issues are resolved :) hopefully my guy/gal sorts or locates my issues on Monday...

Keep us in the loop bud :)
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: gt94sss2 on April 16, 2016, 08:42:32 PM
We're back on MDWS! ID is WGrimsley!

Showing as down since 11:28

William - as Ronski states MDWS still shows your line down  - it would be good if you could be reporting by Wednesday night (before the resyncing)
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: digitalnemesis on April 17, 2016, 02:44:08 PM
I'll try this. Just what I require!

40000 Kbps before the banding, 33.1 Mbps download and SNR Margin is 10/6 with 0 ES on Downstream.

So just to confirm that's 10db downstream SNR and 6db upstream SNR?

Yes.

Right, well then I recommend you getting in touch with BT tomorrow using the Live Chat in the following link.... http://btsupport.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/53505

This link is whats been given to me by BT's Twitter team (@BTcare)... they seem to know a lot more than BT's tech support chat which as you probably would guess seems to be oversea's...

Ask them if they know what SNR is???

When they reply yes ask them if they know what a banded profile is, and go from there and just explain that your SNR is 10db and the connection syncing correctly at 6db will boost your speed back to its previous...

If it comes to it ir it actually was the case, tell them that you had a fault with the router that cause DLM issues and that you would like them to request a line reset from BT Wholesale or Openreach...

Hopefully this works out for you, I seem to be getting more sense out of them at the moment, but then my many tweets to them over the past 3-4 months are not what they would consider good for their public profile and customer service portal.

I decided to give this a go. Surprising enough, it worked! I now have an engineer booked to "check my cabinet" on Tuesday the 19th. I presume the person I spoke to realized that an engineer needs to come to give the go ahead to reset the DLM to remove the banding from my line. Many thanks for the information  :cool:

Brief background on my connection/issue: I had Sky FTTC for around 2 years, sync'd at 33-34mbit with the usual 6DB SNR, completely stable though heavily interleaved. I moved to BT Infinity option 1 and it decided to apply banding to my connection, restricting my sync to 27400Kbps. Weeks have gone by and no sign of the banding being removed. G.INP was applied to my line recently, which pumped up my max attainable rate to 38mbit. SNR while banded is 10-11DB.

I've attached a screenshot of the live chat, for anyone interested (edited out personal information and the Surname of the agent I spoke with)

(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FTFzegnD.png&hash=7a9597bc821e2e6b169d9c30cb340c2f0e658476)
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 17, 2016, 02:52:58 PM
I'll try this. Just what I require!

Good man!
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: digitalnemesis on April 17, 2016, 03:01:33 PM
I'll try this. Just what I require!

Good man!

Maybe you can try too?

What's your MDWS link?
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 17, 2016, 03:02:54 PM
I'll try this. Just what I require!

Good man!

Maybe you can try too?

Nope, because my line gets reset tomorrow remember. :D
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: digitalnemesis on April 17, 2016, 03:03:25 PM
I'll try this. Just what I require!

Good man!

Maybe you can try too?

Nope, because my line gets reset tomorrow remember. :D

Let us know please before and after stats.

What's your MDWS link?
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 17, 2016, 03:04:09 PM
I've posted the before line stats in another thread, but here they are again:

xDSL
Mode   VDSL2
Traffic Type   PTM
Status   Up
Link Power State   L0
Downstream   Upstream
Line Coding (Trellis)   On   On
SNR Margin (dB)   10.4   6.2
Attenuation (dB)   25.8   0.0
Output Power (dBm)   12.0   5.9
Attainable Rate (Kbps)   44544   8007
Rate (Kbps)   34999   8007
B (# of bytes in Mux Data Frame)   166   239
M (# of Mux Data Frames in an RS codeword)   1   1
T (# of Mux Data Frames in an OH sub-frame)   0   42
R (# of redundancy bytes in the RS codeword)   8   0
S (# of data symbols over which the RS code word spans)   0.1517   0.9524
L (# of bits transmitted in each data symbol)   9229   2016
D (interleaver depth)   16   1
I (interleaver block size in bytes)   175   120
N (RS codeword size)   175   240
Delay (msec)   0   0
INP (DMT symbol)   48.00   0.00
OH Frames   0   0
OH Frame Errors   0   142
RS Words   491979456   1067642
RS Correctable Errors   635577   0
RS Uncorrectable Errors   0   0
HEC Errors   0   0
OCD Errors   0   0
LCD Errors   0   0
Total Cells   3676665736   0
Data Cells   219415830   0
Bit Errors   0   0
Total ES   0   122
Total SES   0   0
Total UAS   31   31

Re, MDWS I've stopped uploading for the moment...
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 17, 2016, 03:13:09 PM
Would I expect the line to go dead at 00:00 tonight or could it be during the early hours?
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: digitalnemesis on April 17, 2016, 03:21:21 PM
Would I expect the line to go dead at 00:00 tonight or could it be during the early hours?

I think no one would know mate to be honest. Just wait and see I suppose.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 17, 2016, 03:26:28 PM
Would I expect the line to go dead at 00:00 tonight or could it be during the early hours?

I think know one would know mate to be honest. Just wait and see I suppose.

Fair play, whether to wait or not is the question. Haha!
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: gt94sss2 on April 17, 2016, 03:34:47 PM
Re, MDWS I've stopped uploading for the moment...


Your choice but if you are planning to use MDWS to monitor your stats after your 55MB goes live, better to make any config changes now, including switching modems/wiring/making any disconnects/firmware upgrades etc. now - as all will be wiped by the DLM change - rather than changing anything once the upgrade has happened.

I had thought you wanted  to learn about how DLM operates? You won't get the same level of detail from just copying your before/after modem stats - and after a DLM reset more than one resync is common as the system fine tunes your line..
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 17, 2016, 03:39:33 PM
I'll probably start monitoring from tomorrow, alright? :)
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: licquorice on April 17, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
As everybody keeps saying, if you start monitoring now we will see the before and after and what happens during the upgrade. Don't know why you are reluctant to upload.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 17, 2016, 04:02:01 PM
Sorry, I'm a bit OCD, I like to only do things if I'm convinced everything's perfect, anyway I won't go on. I'll start uploading now.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: digitalnemesis on April 17, 2016, 04:18:26 PM
What's the link?
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 17, 2016, 04:19:06 PM
Right, I'm back on and I'll leave it on overnight and wait to see those ES creep up! :lol:

The MDWS ID is WGrimsley.

If Mr. Bailey is around can you carry the donation over? Cheers!
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: licquorice on April 17, 2016, 04:21:55 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: digitalnemesis on April 17, 2016, 04:42:10 PM
Right, I'm back on and I'll leave it on overnight and wait to see those ES creep up! :lol:

The MDWS ID is WGrimsley.

If Mr. Bailey is around can you carry the donation over? Cheers!

Save some graphs now so you can some stats to compare after.

Cheers
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 17, 2016, 05:12:48 PM
Just curious, anyone on BT here are you still seeing no speed change in the order status? I've still got "up to 38 Mbps" to "up to 38 Mbps" not "52 Mbps"...
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: digitalnemesis on April 17, 2016, 05:18:54 PM
Just curious, anyone on BT here are you still seeing no speed change in the order status? I've still got "up to 38 Mbps" to "up to 38 Mbps" not "52 Mbps"...

Did you call BT?
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 17, 2016, 05:24:43 PM
Just curious, anyone on BT here are you still seeing no speed change in the order status? I've still got "up to 38 Mbps" to "up to 38 Mbps" not "52 Mbps"...

Did you call BT?

Yes, and they said I did upgrade to the "up to 52 Mbps" package it's just slightly worrying to see that. Well, there was a notice about my number port so I'm confident I will be upgraded tomorrow. :)
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: daveesh1 on April 17, 2016, 06:23:02 PM
Yes same hear but was assured that it was the new UPTO 52MB will find out soon enough
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 17, 2016, 07:23:56 PM
The excitement starts to build! Hehe! :lol:
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: S.Stephenson on April 17, 2016, 07:31:08 PM
When my 2nd line is sorted on Tuesday I'll be in the 100mbps+ club  :P
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 17, 2016, 07:38:11 PM
When my 2nd line is sorted on Tuesday I'll be in the 100mbps+ club  :P

Ah, I may pursuade the parents one day to get line bonding, but it's very expensive, probably if Virgin Media don't roll out here.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: S.Stephenson on April 17, 2016, 07:56:27 PM
You'd also need a load balancer, my networking setup has gone a bit OTT to be honest especially with the 10Gb stuff.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 17, 2016, 08:02:12 PM
Hmm, we could get Infinity 2 here if we had 2 lines bonded.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: underzone on April 17, 2016, 08:10:56 PM
You'd also need a load balancer, my networking setup has gone a bit OTT to be honest especially with the 10Gb stuff.

You have gone 10Gb internal LAN?
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 06:55:33 AM
Um, excuse me? SNR Margin 6 dB 35 Mbps? Is this actually correct? I am furious!

How the hell can I be on an SNR of 6 dB and banded? I think the only way to remove it is to power down the router for 30 minutes to get rid of the stuck profile?

It's got to be router end surely? The DLM wouldn't have just left the banding on if the line has been completely reset?
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 07:21:14 AM
Just rebooted the router, still no change so it isn't the router side, I am absoloutely fuming! WHY?
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: Dray on April 18, 2016, 07:30:13 AM
Looks like you've lost G.INP. I suggest you leave it alone for a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 07:32:11 AM
I may have lost it but why is my line rate still banded, that's not the whole point? How does that help this very serious situation? I've been completely robbed!

I don't think loosing G.INP means that my banded line is still in place.

32 minute power down could be the only answer here...
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 07:45:01 AM
New line stats:

xDSL
Mode   VDSL2
Traffic Type   PTM
Status   Up
Link Power State   L0
Downstream   Upstream
Line Coding (Trellis)   On   On
SNR Margin (dB)   6.5   5.9
Attenuation (dB)   25.6   0.0
Output Power (dBm)   12.1   5.3
Attainable Rate (Kbps)   46082   8079
Rate (Kbps)   34998   8079
B (# of bytes in Mux Data Frame)   31   239
M (# of Mux Data Frames in an RS codeword)   1   1
T (# of Mux Data Frames in an OH sub-frame)   64   43
R (# of redundancy bytes in the RS codeword)   10   0
S (# of data symbols over which the RS code word spans)   0.0290   0.9440
L (# of bits transmitted in each data symbol)   11568   2034
D (interleaver depth)   1123   1
I (interleaver block size in bytes)   42   120
N (RS codeword size)   42   240
Delay (msec)   8   0
INP (DMT symbol)   3.50   0.00
OH Frames   536564   147195
OH Frame Errors   0   4
RS Words   205904822   2073743
RS Correctable Errors   2676   0
RS Uncorrectable Errors   0   0
HEC Errors   0   0
OCD Errors   0   0
LCD Errors   0   0
Total Cells   101088756   0
Data Cells   1368670   0
Bit Errors   0   0
Total ES   0   3
Total SES   0   0
Total UAS   28   28
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: daveesh1 on April 18, 2016, 07:50:27 AM
Mine still banded also
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: digitalnemesis on April 18, 2016, 07:52:27 AM
Ok so going from 76/20 to 55/10 = no DLM reset?

William did you allow DLM to retrain the line or do it manually? Perhaps it's not yet switched to the new package?
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 07:52:40 AM
Mine still banded also

Hmm, very strange. Oh what do we do now? Argh, what is wrong with these DSLAM's? LOL!
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 07:53:17 AM
Ok so going from 76/20 to 55/10 = no DLM reset.

That's bad news. PM me, I may have an idea to get an engineer to reset DLM.

That's not correct. There has been a DLM reset as I've lost G.INP but the banding is still in place. Ok, will PM you now thanks.

Surely, if DLM has been reset by a package upgrade, trying to get an engineer won't help?

Pings have increased from the low 20's ms to the low 30's ms...
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 08:31:10 AM
I'm onto BT live chat now, I'm so confused.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: digitalnemesis on April 18, 2016, 08:54:54 AM
Ok so going from 76/20 to 55/10 = no DLM reset.

That's bad news. PM me, I may have an idea to get an engineer to reset DLM.

That's not correct. There has been a DLM reset as I've lost G.INP but the banding is still in place. Ok, will PM you now thanks.

Surely, if DLM has been reset by a package upgrade, trying to get an engineer won't help?

Pings have increased from the low 20's ms to the low 30's ms...

Your SNR margin dropped to ~6 dB whilst your attainable stayed around the same. Really strange.

Your before:
Quote
xDSL
Mode   VDSL2
Traffic Type   PTM
Status   Up
Link Power State   L0
Downstream   Upstream
Line Coding (Trellis)   On   On
SNR Margin (dB)   10.4   6.2
Attenuation (dB)   25.8   0.0
Output Power (dBm)   12.0   5.9
Attainable Rate (Kbps)   44544   8007
Rate (Kbps)   34999   8007
B (# of bytes in Mux Data Frame)   166   239
M (# of Mux Data Frames in an RS codeword)   1   1
T (# of Mux Data Frames in an OH sub-frame)   0   42
R (# of redundancy bytes in the RS codeword)   8   0
S (# of data symbols over which the RS code word spans)   0.1517   0.9524
L (# of bits transmitted in each data symbol)   9229   2016
D (interleaver depth)   16   1
I (interleaver block size in bytes)   175   120
N (RS codeword size)   175   240
Delay (msec)   0   0
INP (DMT symbol)   48.00   0.00
OH Frames   0   0
OH Frame Errors   0   142
RS Words   491979456   1067642
RS Correctable Errors   635577   0
RS Uncorrectable Errors   0   0
HEC Errors   0   0
OCD Errors   0   0
LCD Errors   0   0
Total Cells   3676665736   0
Data Cells   219415830   0
Bit Errors   0   0
Total ES   0   122
Total SES   0   0
Total UAS   31   31

After:
Quote
xDSL
Mode   VDSL2
Traffic Type   PTM
Status   Up
Link Power State   L0
Downstream   Upstream
Line Coding (Trellis)   On   On
SNR Margin (dB)   6.5   5.9
Attenuation (dB)   25.6   0.0
Output Power (dBm)   12.1   5.3
Attainable Rate (Kbps)   46082   8079
Rate (Kbps)   34998   8079
B (# of bytes in Mux Data Frame)   31   239
M (# of Mux Data Frames in an RS codeword)   1   1
T (# of Mux Data Frames in an OH sub-frame)   64   43
R (# of redundancy bytes in the RS codeword)   10   0
S (# of data symbols over which the RS code word spans)   0.0290   0.9440
L (# of bits transmitted in each data symbol)   11568   2034
D (interleaver depth)   1123   1
I (interleaver block size in bytes)   42   120
N (RS codeword size)   42   240
Delay (msec)   8   0
INP (DMT symbol)   3.50   0.00
OH Frames   536564   147195
OH Frame Errors   0   4
RS Words   205904822   2073743
RS Correctable Errors   2676   0
RS Uncorrectable Errors   0   0
HEC Errors   0   0
OCD Errors   0   0
LCD Errors   0   0
Total Cells   101088756   0
Data Cells   1368670   0
Bit Errors   0   0
Total ES   0   3
Total SES   0   0
Total UAS   28   28
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: Black Sheep on April 18, 2016, 09:01:39 AM
From an Openreach perspective, regarding the resetting of DLM, this is the official line on FTTC faults we pick up ..............

'Check and prove that all wiring meets quality standards. Complete relevant checklist and add notes.    Do not undertake speculative or precautionary changes unless advised by SMC.  Successful PQT / ECLIPSE and VDSL Close Out Tests are required to be completed before closing the fault. Only request a DLM reset if you have found and resolved a definite fault and the current sync speeds are significantly below the max attainable speeds shown on your tester.' 
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 09:05:16 AM
Ok, the live chat has now gone to customer care and they are doing "checks on the line" um, didn't realise they could do that on FTTC?
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 09:06:27 AM
From an Openreach perspective, regarding the resetting of DLM, this is the official line on FTTC faults we pick up ..............

'Check and prove that all wiring meets quality standards. Complete relevant checklist and add notes.    Do not undertake speculative or precautionary changes unless advised by SMC.  Successful PQT / ECLIPSE and VDSL Close Out Tests are required to be completed before closing the fault. Only request a DLM reset if you have found and resolved a definite fault and the current sync speeds are significantly below the max attainable speeds shown on your tester.' 

Sounds about right!
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: daveesh1 on April 18, 2016, 09:16:08 AM
Well just looks like we will have to wait and see if DLM works. I have a great chunk of interleaving that's been applied about 1300 off the top of my head will post some stats in a bit.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 09:18:32 AM
BT customer care says that "they're still running tests at the telephone exchange and that you will experienced some dropouts today". Interesting... I don't really believe that to be honest.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: digitalnemesis on April 18, 2016, 09:25:40 AM
BT customer care says that "they're still running tests at the telephone exchange and that you will experienced some dropouts today". Interesting... I don't really believe that to be honest.

Was that UK support?
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 09:28:32 AM
BT customer care says that "they're still running tests at the telephone exchange and that you will experienced some dropouts today". Interesting... I don't really believe that to be honest.

Was that UK support?

Yes, luckily!
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: digitalnemesis on April 18, 2016, 09:30:09 AM
Sounds like BS. If they really wanted to help an engineer would be sent out to reset DLM.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 09:30:51 AM
Sounds like BS. If they really wanted to help an engineer would be sent out to reset DLM.

Same here, they said if it didn't increase by midnight then they would do something about it. I wonder if I should reply to the text message. What do you think?
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: digitalnemesis on April 18, 2016, 09:31:56 AM
Sounds like BS. If they really wanted to help an engineer would be sent out to reset DLM.

Same here, they said if it didn't increase by midnight then they would do something about it. I wonder if I should reply to the text message. What do you think?

Lol I've been through that before.  They basically running automated tests which wont find anything wrong.

After these 'tests' they're going to say your speed is within acceptable limits.
Keep pushing.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 09:33:50 AM
Cool, I'll reply to the text message and demand engineer visit.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: atkinsong on April 18, 2016, 09:41:22 AM
William, look at your stats! Pre reset interleave depth was 16, post reset interleave depth is 1123. Hence large difference between attainable and actual and increased latency. probably not banded at all.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 09:46:38 AM
William, look at your stats! Pre reset interleave depth was 16, post reset interleave depth is 1123. Hence large difference between attainable and actual and increased latency. probably not banded at all.

I think that's a router reporting error. For an SNR Margin of 6 dB, that Downstream Rate would be too low for the Downstream Attainable Rate.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: digitalnemesis on April 18, 2016, 09:48:15 AM
Cool, I'll reply to the text message and demand engineer visit.

Can you ask support to run a GEA test and ask for your profile name?

Something like:

Downstream:
[Speed band], Error Protection Off, ReTx Low, ReTx High, Interleaving Low, Interleaving High.
Upstream:
[Speed band], Error Protection Off, ReTx Low, ReTx High, Interleaving On.

If it's : 0.128M-xxM Downstream, Retransmission High - 0.128M-xxM Upstream, Error Protection xx then you're probably already unbanded but with high interleaving.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 09:49:11 AM
Yeah, I will do that. Should I go onto live chat or just wait for the reply?
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: digitalnemesis on April 18, 2016, 09:52:49 AM
Yeah, I will do that. Should I go onto live chat or just wait for the reply?

Live chat, I did mine last night and got my profile name. Need someone technical to do it though.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 09:53:56 AM
Yeah, I will do that. Should I go onto live chat or just wait for the reply?

Live chat, I did mine last night and got my profile name. Need someone technical to do it though.

Right ok, look at this speed test. Disgusting... http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5259469845
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: Dray on April 18, 2016, 09:58:13 AM
Live chat, I did mine last night and got my profile name. Need someone technical to do it though.
Oh that's interesting. What did you ask? Have you got a transcript?

What was the result?
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: Dray on April 18, 2016, 09:59:36 AM

Right ok, look at this speed test. Disgusting... http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5259469845
Your ping is very high  :o
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 10:02:13 AM

Right ok, look at this speed test. Disgusting... http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5259469845
Your ping is very high  :o

Yeah, my connection is like ADSL now. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: roseway on April 18, 2016, 10:10:00 AM
William, please calm down. You have a working connection, and you've been told that more things will be happening today. Give it some time.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 10:11:01 AM
William, please calm down. You have a working connection, and you've been told that more things will be happening today. Give it some time.

I'm perfectly calm, I'm not that angry about this situation just a bit confused about the situation. Everything is in hand.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: digitalnemesis on April 18, 2016, 10:19:08 AM
Live chat, I did mine last night and got my profile name. Need someone technical to do it though.
Oh that's interesting. What did you ask? Have you got a transcript?

What was the result?

Yes I first attached a GEA test screenshot (from Kitz website) on the chat so the support agent has an idea what I'm talking about. I asked for my profile name similar to: Profile Name 0.128M-80M Downstream, Retransmission Low - 0.128M-20M Upstream, Retransmission Low

At first he gave wrong info and couldn't understand what I was talking about but after a while eventually extracted what I needed.

It's down to luck whether you get a support agent with the necessary level of tech knowledge to do so.

Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: gt94sss2 on April 18, 2016, 10:25:45 AM
I'm perfectly calm, I'm not that angry about this situation just a bit confused about the situation. Everything is in hand.

I believe DLM takes a day after a reset before it does anything. Perhaps just wait for a day or so before you lodge a fault/request an engineer etc. to allow the connection to settle. (Though I see you have stopped uploading stats again)

Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 10:32:04 AM
He's apparently "refreshing the connection" more BS.

Modified to: "I will raise the request for that, and it will be done, however we are unable to get the remote access."

"I am refreshing the line for you, and all I can do is I can raise a request for the SNR reset there by improving your connection, that is what I doing now." :O
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: digitalnemesis on April 18, 2016, 10:42:53 AM
He's apparently "refreshing the connection" more BS.

Modified to: "I will raise the request for that, and it will be done, however we are unable to get the remote access."

"I am refreshing the line for you, and all I can do is I can raise a request for the SNR reset there by improving your connection, that is what I doing now." :O

I tried the UK support live chat and they're sending a broadband boost engineer to reset my DLM :D
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 10:44:16 AM
Haha, I'm getting an SNR reset in 4 hours! Jesus!
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 10:48:03 AM
Ok, so to evaluate. The engineering team have been notified that an engineer will reset my SNR and that will solve the banding issue, will believe it when I see it!
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: digitalnemesis on April 18, 2016, 10:51:30 AM
Ok, so to evaluate. The engineering team have been notified that an engineer will reset my SNR and that will solve the banding issue, will believe it when I see it!

I was told that too, it seems whoever you chatted to assumed FTTC DLM can be reset remotely but this only applies on ADSL circuits.

FTTC circuits require an engineer visit to reset DLM.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 11:03:07 AM
Yes, I told them that and they admitted but they are apparently going to do it. LOL!

Here's the chat transcript:

[10:13:56 AM] Hello. I'm Ashish.Thanks for that information, I'll check it and get back to you in a moment.
[10:14:10 AM] Ashish: HI William
[10:14:27 AM] User: Hello again there, Ashish!
[10:14:29 AM] Ashish: I will connect you to the technical team for this as I am from billing team
[10:14:40 AM] User: Ahh, ok thanks for that sorry to bother you again.
[10:14:44 AM] 'Ashish' disconnected ('Transferred to Queue').
[10:15:21 AM] Hello. I'm Abhishek.Thanks for that information, I'll check it and get back to you in a moment.
[10:15:40 AM] Abhishek: Hi, thanks for contacting BT, I will do my best to get this sorted for you.
[10:16:01 AM] William : Thank you.
[10:16:12 AM] Abhishek: You're most welcome :)
[10:16:26 AM] Abhishek: Can you please elaborate the query?
[10:17:17 AM] William : Hi, yes I'd like to know what VDSL profile name on by completing a GEA test? Thanks!
[10:18:11 AM] Abhishek: Ok, may I know is your telephone working fine at the moment>?
[10:18:17 AM] William : Yes.
[10:18:40 AM] William : I was told by a broadband forum to ask an advisor to complete this for me?
[10:19:08 AM] Abhishek: Ok, will do that.
Can you confirm a few bits of information so I can look into your account
•         Are you the account holder?
•         Your full name?
•         Your account number?

[10:20:14 AM] William : No, I'm the son account holder but have permission to deal with BT. My full name is Mr. William Grimsley. The account number is GBXXXXXXXX.
[10:20:24 AM] Abhishek: Thanks for that information.
[10:20:30 AM] William : The account holder name is Mr. Xxxxxx Grimsley.
[10:21:01 AM] Abhishek: Thanks
[10:23:46 AM] Abhishek: I am sorry its taking longer than usual, please stay connected, I am working on it.
[10:30:12 AM] Abhishek: I am refresghing the connection for you, please allow me a few minutes
[10:32:38 AM] William : Right, I'm sure you can't DLM reset remotely?
[10:33:16 AM] Abhishek: I will raise the request for that, and it will be done, however we are unable to get the remote access.
[10:33:34 AM] William : I understand that, please explain what you are doing right now.
[10:34:16 AM] Abhishek: Just a sec
[10:35:01 AM] Abhishek: I am refreshing the line for you, and all I can do is I can raise a request for the SNR reset there by improving your connection, that is what I doing now.
[10:35:23 AM] William : But, I'm on VDSL are you sure you can do that remotely?
[10:36:34 AM] William : Please can you tell me what my current profile name is though?
[10:37:11 AM] Abhishek: I am afraid that can not be done from here, and for the profile name, I am searching that.
[10:37:23 AM] William : Ok, so is an engineer going to do that or?
[10:38:01 AM] Abhishek: For the engineer I can book one, however for that, may I know what is the exact issue that you are facing on the broadband?
[10:38:26 AM] William : No, don't book the engineer. I am just investigating what you mean and when the "SNR reset" will be completed?
[10:38:52 AM] Abhishek: SNR means Signal to Noise ratio that improves the broadband connection stability and the speed
[10:39:05 AM] William : I understand that but how is this going to be completed?
[10:39:31 AM] Abhishek: I will have to raise a request for that with our engineer team, and they will do it for you.
[10:39:53 AM] William : Right, ok.
[10:40:03 AM] Abhishek: Shall I do that for you?
[10:40:15 AM] William : Yes, please!
[10:40:22 AM] William : Do you know when that will be completed?
[10:40:37 AM] Abhishek: It will take approximately 2-4 hours.
[10:41:02 AM] William : So, in 4 hours the line will be in a fresh state? :)
[10:41:09 AM] Abhishek: I will raise this request, Also what I am going to do for you is I am going to share some steps with you on the email to get the best out of the home hub, is that ok with you?
[10:41:16 AM] Abhishek: Yes that is correct
[10:41:45 AM] William : Right, I've got a 3rd party router so no thanks if that's ok.
[10:41:58 AM] William : Ok, so can I confirm that the line banding will be removed?
[10:42:06 AM] Abhishek: Thanks, please be assured that the issue is resolved for you, and the broadband will now work fine, also I will email the settings for the 3rd party router as well.
[10:42:55 AM] William : Ok, so can I just confirm a few things.
[10:43:08 AM] William : What is and when is anything happening?
[10:43:24 AM] William : Is it an SNR reset to remove the line banding and reset the SNR Margin and that will be done today?
[10:44:04 AM] Abhishek: William I am telling you that I have raised a request for the SNR reset, and that will be improving your line.
[10:44:28 AM] William : Right, thanks a lot.
[10:45:20 AM] Abhishek: Please be assured that the broadband will work fine for you, and also please make sure that you use the steps over the email, and the engineer will also fix if anything is found not working on the line.Is there anything else I can assist you with today?
[10:45:54 AM] William : No, that's absolutely fine, thanks for your help. Please can you send the email to william.grimsley1@googlemail.com?
[10:46:25 AM] Abhishek: Yes that is correct.
Ok, thanks for contacting BT, please close the chat window.
The issue is resolved for you.
Have a nice day.
[10:46:39 AM] William : Thanks, bye now.
[10:47:18 AM] Abhishek: Bye
[10:47:23 AM] Abhishek: please close the chat window
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: digitalnemesis on April 18, 2016, 11:32:23 AM
Please use UK based live chat. Those offshore guys don't know what they're on about tbh.

I was told the same thing, "I will raise a request to reset SNR margin, this will take 2 to 4 hours".

As expected hours passed watching paint dry to no avail. Next support agent says "they cannot remotely reset FTTC DLM and that I'm within acceptable speed limits so can't raise an engineer".

This morning, popped onto UK live chat, instantly got an engineer booked :D :fingers:
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: digitalnemesis on April 18, 2016, 11:33:03 AM
Try to get your profile name this would tell us if you're still banded.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: Black Sheep on April 18, 2016, 11:35:17 AM
Ok, so to evaluate. The engineering team have been notified that an engineer will reset my SNR and that will solve the banding issue, will believe it when I see it!

William ............... you seem to have a very defeatist attitude about things. When info is given to you, you either dismiss it out of hand or have some kind of flippant reply.
When you first joined this forum and reading your opening post, I have to admit I was hoping for better things. I thought you would A) Have some insightful input ......... and/or B) Listen to advice given from people in the know.
Please stop jumping straight off at the deep-end and ringing the 'Woe is me bell'.

 

Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 11:37:09 AM
Alright, I'm sort of lost as to how I've been posting "incorrectly".

I don't accept being accused of being "flippant", I am acting exactly the opposite. Can't you understand how frustrated I am with this? I am PAYING for a SERVICE not a BANDED line.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 11:37:49 AM
Please use UK based live chat. Those offshore guys don't know what they're on about tbh.

I was told the same thing, "I will raise a request to reset SNR margin, this will take 2 to 4 hours".

As expected hours passed watching paint dry to no avail. Next support agent says "they cannot remotely reset FTTC DLM and that I'm within acceptable speed limits so can't raise an engineer".

This morning, popped onto UK live chat, instantly got an engineer booked :D :fingers:

Hmm, damn.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: Black Sheep on April 18, 2016, 11:41:42 AM
From an Openreach perspective, regarding the resetting of DLM, this is the official line on FTTC faults we pick up ..............

'Check and prove that all wiring meets quality standards. Complete relevant checklist and add notes.    Do not undertake speculative or precautionary changes unless advised by SMC.  Successful PQT / ECLIPSE and VDSL Close Out Tests are required to be completed before closing the fault. Only request a DLM reset if you have found and resolved a definite fault and the current sync speeds are significantly below the max attainable speeds shown on your tester.' 

Sounds about right!

After I spent long minutes finding this info for you (and others), 'Sounds about right' is just about entering my 'Flippant radar'. I'm sure most of us are guilty of it at some time or another, just try and tone it down please, mate, that's all.  :)
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: licquorice on April 18, 2016, 11:42:56 AM
William, its not the end of the world as we know it, nobody died. Get some perspective and calm down.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 11:43:11 AM
Alright, what do you except me to reply? A massive essay so you're happy that I've spent time understanding your reply. You posted the reply out of your own convienience!
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 11:44:10 AM
William, its not the end of the world as we know it, nobody died. Get some perspective and calm down.

May I ask what's making you feel that I'm not calm? You said to me on the BT forum to explain things, I'd like you to explain your reasons.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: licquorice on April 18, 2016, 11:47:42 AM
Probably the fact that you are posting a virtually real time running account of of your woes in all sorts of places without giving things a chance to happen is a bit of a clue.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 11:50:14 AM
Probably the fact that you are posting a virtually real time running account of of your woes in all sorts of places without giving things a chance to happen is a bit of a clue.

Sorry, I'll stop posting. *Removes human right from brain* :'(
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: daveesh1 on April 18, 2016, 12:13:04 PM
it is as thought the DLM reset has not reset the SNR back to 6 well below are before and after stats

Before:

Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason:    0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 7059 Kbps, Downstream rate = 47449 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 6939 Kbps, Downstream rate = 32400 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        10.9            6.1
Attn(dB):        22.4            0.0
Pwr(dBm):        6.1             6.1

                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           -6              33
B:              130             78
M:              1               1
T:              0               59
R:              16              16
S:              0.1279          0.3619
L:              9195            2100
D:              1               89
I:              147             95
N:              147             95
Q:              4               0
V:              2               0
RxQueue:                136             0
TxQueue:                34              0
G.INP Framing:          18              0
G.INP lookback:         31              0
RRC bits:               0               24
                        Bearer 1
MSGc:           90              -6
B:              0               0
M:              2               0
T:              2               0
R:              16              0
S:              10.6667         0.0000
L:              24              0
D:              1               0
I:              32              0
N:              32              0
Q:              0               0
V:              0               0
RxQueue:                0               0
TxQueue:                0               0
G.INP Framing:          0               0
G.INP lookback:         0               0
RRC bits:               0               0

                        Counters
                        Bearer 0
OHF:            0               631807
OHFErr:         4223            0
RS:             3516420528              3156417
RSCorr:         981998          1102
RSUnCorr:       0               0
                        Bearer 1
OHF:            41358879                0
OHFErr:         0               0
RS:             248152903               0
RSCorr:         534             0
RSUnCorr:       0               0

                        Retransmit Counters
rtx_tx:         3672349         0
rtx_c:          743111          0
rtx_uc:         6825            0

                        G.INP Counters
LEFTRS:         242             0
minEFTR:        32395           0
errFreeBits:    328076683               0

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    2725207821              0
Data Cells:     1343489186              0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

                        Bearer 1
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    0               0
Data Cells:     0               0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             407             0
SES:            214             0
UAS:            251             240
AS:             664218

                        Bearer 0
INP:            51.00           2.50
INPRein:        1.00            0.00
delay:          0               8
PER:            0.00            16.07
OR:             0.01            19.40
AgR:            32649.19        6958.08

                        Bearer 1
INP:            2.50            0.00
INPRein:        2.50            0.00
delay:          0               0
PER:            16.06           0.01
OR:             47.81           0.01
AgR:            47.81   0.01

Bitswap:        23297/23298             40/40

Total time = 7 days 16 hours 37 min 49 sec
FEC:            981998          1102
CRC:            4223            0
ES:             407             0
SES:            214             0
UAS:            251             240
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 15 minutes time = 7 min 49 sec
FEC:            39              0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC:            24              0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 1 day time = 16 hours 37 min 49 sec
FEC:            216406          202
CRC:            582             0
ES:             81              0
SES:            23              0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec
FEC:            50304           121
CRC:            130             0
ES:             19              0
SES:            8               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0



After:
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason:    1
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 7233 Kbps, Downstream rate = 50633 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 7168 Kbps, Downstream rate = 32400 Kbps

Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        9.1             6.2
Attn(dB):        22.4            0.0
Pwr(dBm):        6.1             6.1

                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           18              27
B:              47              79
M:              1               1
T:              62              49
R:              16              16
S:              0.0471          0.3547
L:              10864           2165
D:              1375            91
I:              64              96
N:              64              96

                        Counters
                        Bearer 0
OHF:            8847533         704248
OHFErr:         9513            0
RS:             2194105280              635701
RSCorr:         3241220         142
RSUnCorr:       142297          0

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            36948           0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    1617019776              0
Data Cells:     47112099                0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             468             0
SES:            260             0
UAS:            288             266
AS:             25957

                        Bearer 0
INP:            8.00            2.50
INPRein:        0.00            0.00
delay:          16              8
PER:            2.93            13.08
OR:             65.45           20.17
AgR:            32465.18        7188.58

Bitswap:        174/174         0/0

Total time = 8 days 5 hours 29 min 51 sec
FEC:            4225532         1275
CRC:            14309           0
ES:             468             0
SES:            260             0
UAS:            288             266
LOS:            1               0
LOF:            8               0
LOM:            0               0
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: Black Sheep on April 18, 2016, 12:14:26 PM
Alright, what do you except me to reply? A massive essay so you're happy that I've spent time understanding your reply. You posted the reply out of your own convienience!

...... and that about sums you up, William. For my own sanity, the 'block user' will now be deployed.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: William Grimsley on April 18, 2016, 12:22:38 PM
Alright, what do you except me to reply? A massive essay so you're happy that I've spent time understanding your reply. You posted the reply out of your own convienience!

...... and that about sums you up, William. For my own sanity, the 'block user' will now be deployed.

Well, that's your own problem. Grow up! Sorry, but I've had enough of again another forum, sorry to everyone who has actually "helped" me recently.
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: daveesh1 on April 18, 2016, 12:33:15 PM
Well here are my stats after the upgrade it looks like the DLM reset has not reset the SNR back to 6dB. well below are before and after stats any comments

Before:

Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason:    0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 7059 Kbps, Downstream rate = 47449 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 6939 Kbps, Downstream rate = 32400 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        10.9            6.1
Attn(dB):        22.4            0.0
Pwr(dBm):        6.1             6.1

                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           -6              33
B:              130             78
M:              1               1
T:              0               59
R:              16              16
S:              0.1279          0.3619
L:              9195            2100
D:              1               89
I:              147             95
N:              147             95
Q:              4               0
V:              2               0
RxQueue:                136             0
TxQueue:                34              0
G.INP Framing:          18              0
G.INP lookback:         31              0
RRC bits:               0               24
                        Bearer 1
MSGc:           90              -6
B:              0               0
M:              2               0
T:              2               0
R:              16              0
S:              10.6667         0.0000
L:              24              0
D:              1               0
I:              32              0
N:              32              0
Q:              0               0
V:              0               0
RxQueue:                0               0
TxQueue:                0               0
G.INP Framing:          0               0
G.INP lookback:         0               0
RRC bits:               0               0

                        Counters
                        Bearer 0
OHF:            0               631807
OHFErr:         4223            0
RS:             3516420528              3156417
RSCorr:         981998          1102
RSUnCorr:       0               0
                        Bearer 1
OHF:            41358879                0
OHFErr:         0               0
RS:             248152903               0
RSCorr:         534             0
RSUnCorr:       0               0

                        Retransmit Counters
rtx_tx:         3672349         0
rtx_c:          743111          0
rtx_uc:         6825            0

                        G.INP Counters
LEFTRS:         242             0
minEFTR:        32395           0
errFreeBits:    328076683               0

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    2725207821              0
Data Cells:     1343489186              0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

                        Bearer 1
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    0               0
Data Cells:     0               0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             407             0
SES:            214             0
UAS:            251             240
AS:             664218

                        Bearer 0
INP:            51.00           2.50
INPRein:        1.00            0.00
delay:          0               8
PER:            0.00            16.07
OR:             0.01            19.40
AgR:            32649.19        6958.08

                        Bearer 1
INP:            2.50            0.00
INPRein:        2.50            0.00
delay:          0               0
PER:            16.06           0.01
OR:             47.81           0.01
AgR:            47.81   0.01

Bitswap:        23297/23298             40/40

Total time = 7 days 16 hours 37 min 49 sec
FEC:            981998          1102
CRC:            4223            0
ES:             407             0
SES:            214             0
UAS:            251             240
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 15 minutes time = 7 min 49 sec
FEC:            39              0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC:            24              0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 1 day time = 16 hours 37 min 49 sec
FEC:            216406          202
CRC:            582             0
ES:             81              0
SES:            23              0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec
FEC:            50304           121
CRC:            130             0
ES:             19              0
SES:            8               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0



After:
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason:    1
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 7233 Kbps, Downstream rate = 50633 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 7168 Kbps, Downstream rate = 32400 Kbps

Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        9.1             6.2
Attn(dB):        22.4            0.0
Pwr(dBm):        6.1             6.1

                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           18              27
B:              47              79
M:              1               1
T:              62              49
R:              16              16
S:              0.0471          0.3547
L:              10864           2165
D:              1375            91
I:              64              96
N:              64              96

                        Counters
                        Bearer 0
OHF:            8847533         704248
OHFErr:         9513            0
RS:             2194105280              635701
RSCorr:         3241220         142
RSUnCorr:       142297          0

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            36948           0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    1617019776              0
Data Cells:     47112099                0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             468             0
SES:            260             0
UAS:            288             266
AS:             25957

                        Bearer 0
INP:            8.00            2.50
INPRein:        0.00            0.00
delay:          16              8
PER:            2.93            13.08
OR:             65.45           20.17
AgR:            32465.18        7188.58

Bitswap:        174/174         0/0

Total time = 8 days 5 hours 29 min 51 sec
FEC:            4225532         1275
CRC:            14309           0
ES:             468             0
SES:            260             0
UAS:            288             266
LOS:            1               0
LOF:            8               0
LOM:            0               0
Title: Re: Williams Line RE: BT Infinity 1 increasing to 55mbps
Post by: roseway on April 18, 2016, 01:04:30 PM
With apologies to those who have posted meaningful messages, I'm calling a halt to this thread. William, you will be getting a PM.