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Computers & Hardware => Apple Related => Topic started by: tickmike on February 23, 2016, 11:15:51 AM
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My Daughter has given me her old iphone 4 after getting a new iphone 6.
It's the first fully smart phone I have had :).
I was told by EE if I go into the T mobile shop in the nearby town they will give me a free 'subscriber identity module' to fit it and transfer my PAYG phone number over to it. :)
Now my daughter has bought some APPs under her apple store ID, is there any way I can copy or back up them for me to keep and use. ?
Some of the other APPs are free download like the iplayer and 4'od player.
As I do not use Windows I had to put win7 on a spare computer (off line ) and put iTunes 11 on it.
I have done a backup of the phone but it would not let me do the apps.
I was going to do a full erase before I started to use it because she said it keeps crashing :o but I think as there was only 64MB of memory left :'( that's why .
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Hi
As far as I understand it, which makes sense, you cannot use another user apps and you need to purchase the apps if you need them.
The apps will be associated with the Apple ID and only this Apple ID user could use and install the apps on any Apple device linked to their Apple ID
I hope that makes sense and you can see the reason for it
Many thanks
John
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Hi.
Yes I see.
Re...'I hope that makes sense and you can see the reason for it' So Apple can try to make money out of me, but they will not >:D >:(
My last PAYG top up of £5 lasted five years ::) .
So as long I can have it for emergency calls and take photo's and use the WiFi apps etc. I will be happy, that's if I remember to turn it on ;D.
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As d2d4j says, the apps 'belong' to those who purchased it. That way your daughter can then use them on her new iphone 6.
I'd bought several apps for my ipad, which Ive now given to my daughter. Even though I no longer own an ipad, I cant 'give' those apps to my daughter.
However, should I at some point in the future purchase another apple product, then I will be able to put them on my new device.
Hope that helps make sense of how they do things.
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Many thanks but Apple do not make money from apps I believe.
The company or person who developed the app makes the money, but they should as they invested time and money developing the app
I think the apps just make Apple more attractive to users
I believe the same applies to Apple Music, where they pay royalties to performer, however, they will make a little money here, but they are offering a service
Sevenmuddle if I have his name correct, should be able to give insight into Apple apps etc. I apologise in advance if I have the wrong name, I'm writing this from memory
Many thanks
John
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I am not an Apple person but my family all are and therefore I am the one who ends up trying to sort things like this out, I am embarrassed to say that I have relevant knowledge and that this might be useful :
Family sharing (https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201085)
Just a thought
Chunks
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Hi
Sorry, it was sevenlayermuddle and not sevenmuddle, so apologies to you
I thought family share were for photos, find my iPhone etc...
I would be surprised if it applies to apps as well but could be wrong sorry
Many thanks
John
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Does the same apply to music ?, she had a lot of 'pop' music even at 67 I like pop music ;D so can I copy it any way ?.
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I am not an Apple person but my family all are and therefore I am the one who ends up trying to sort things like this out, I am embarrassed to say that I have relevant knowledge and that this might be useful :
Family sharing (https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201085)
Just a thought
Chunks
Thank you for that. I wasn't previously aware of family sharing for apps so I just checked
What types of content can I share with Family Sharing (https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT203046#apps)
The apps I purchased aren't marked as family sharing in the market.
But another point I noticed that may be applicable to tickmike "To share apps, you need iOS 8 or later" which I think rules out the iphone 4.
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But another point I noticed that may be applicable to tickmike "To share apps, you need iOS 8 or later" which I think rules out the iphone 4.
:( Yes I think it's 7.1.2 ?
Can I put iOS 8 on this phone. ?
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Apparently not https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6718919
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Even if you could, I wouldn't even attempt it. iOS 8/9 require more hardware resources, which is why it was never rolled out to the iphone 4.
There's quite of a lot of complaints that iOS 8 & 9 slows down some of the older devices that it was rolled out to.
(ipad2 & ipad mini mostly, but there were a few iphone 5 complaints too).
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Pretty sure, family sharing is available to all Apps (post iOS 8) at the developer's discretion. I haven't gone through the process recently as I'm not that productive but ISTR the App submission process involves a tick box to allow it, and the default is 'yes'.
To be fair I have never tried it as a user either. Whilst we do have several different Apple ids for the various device that kick around the house, these are for company vs personal. Wouldn't seem to be in the spirit of 'family sharing' and, even if it worked, could probably get me in trouble if detected. Admittedly though, I have never actually poured over the T&C, maybe I should, might be able to save a few bob! :D
Edit, clarified 'post iOS 8'.
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Many thanks but Apple do not make money from apps I believe.
The company or person who developed the app makes the money, but they should as they invested time and money developing the app
So many things to catch up on in this thread, sorry for late arrival. :)
The way it works is, the developer names the price for an App (from various price tiers). I can choose any tier I like, it's my choice - but obviously the higher the price, the less sales volume I might get. But no matter how much or how little I choose, Apple take their percentage. I forget the legal terminology, but they are acting as a kind of sales agent, collecting commission.
Also, the developer pays $100 a year developer's program membership fee, which entitles him/her to run test Apps on real devices, and publish the Apps on the App Store.
I hasten to confess, none of my Apps have ever made more than peanuts. I think that is the same for vast majority of dev's, certainly since the 'gold rush' of the first few years of the App Store. Unfortunately The T&C of the developer agreement actually forbids me from going in to any great detail, even if detail that might be readily available from searching the web. But that's basically how it works. Hope nobody from Apple, reading this, decides I've already said too much. :D
If you have a MAC and fancy having a go, you can download and install the SDKs for free. But you won't be able to run on on real devices, just the simulators.
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Hi
Many thanks but Apple do not make money from apps I believe.
LOL, Apple doesn't miss a single trick to make money out of users and developers alike. The industry standard which apple appears to have set is 30%
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/software-engineer/app-store-fees-percentages-and-payouts-what-developers-need-to-know/
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As stated, it's all simply too peanuts to be an issue.
If an App sells for £0.79 then the govt takes 20% vat, even before Apple and the Developer share what's left. Add the fact that hardly anybody is will to actually pay for an App these days, not even a £0.79 App, they have to be free to get the downloads. So the dev has a load more work, building in a 'freemium' mechanism and/or working out how to incorporate sponsored ads. And then again, if you do get any income from ads, or In App purchases, govt's take their taxes, Apple take their cut. In the unlikely event the developer actually has anything left at all, there's always HMRC income tax (or corporation tax), etc, to look forwards to. ::)
As a user though, I'm as tight-fisted as anybody else. My spend in the App Store, for iOS Apps, has probably not exceeded £15 in total, in the past 4 or 5 years. :D
@Mike, your bigger concern, having a smart phone where you hadn't before, might be the acceptance that adding data to your plan really is useful. Maps wherever you go, instant weather, browse the news when sat having a pint, access to your favourite forums.... you may be tempted. I'm not with EE, but most of the PAYG plans allow data for extra £few a month, that's amounted to far, far more than the app purchases. :)
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@Mike, your bigger concern, having a smart phone where you hadn't before, might be the acceptance that adding data to your plan really is useful. Maps wherever you go, instant weather, browse the news when sat having a pint, access to your favourite forums.... you may be tempted. I'm not with EE, but most of the PAYG plans allow data for extra £few a month, that's amounted to far, far more than the app purchases. :)
My PAYG is not the new monthly plan :o it dates from about 10 years ago my SIM does. :D
But yes I understand what you are saying. :)
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When my daughter bought her new iphone 6 they copied her data, apps, photo's etc over from this iphone 4 to her new phone.
This left them all on this phone she has given me, the problem is trying to do a 'full erase'
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201274
it asks for her apple ID, putting her ID in then it wants to connect to the internet but I have taken the SIM out and deleted the WiFi settings.
Why does it what to do these connections ?, will it try to erase her iphone 6 as well ?.
All I want to do is a factory reset. >:D
I have to go to the EE shop to get a replacement SIM should I ask them to erase it .
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Not entirely sure, but is it possible your daughter has left the phone still signed into 'find my iPhone'?
That is an incredibly powerful feature, that effectively bricks stolen iPhones, until the previous owner says it's OK. If so, she will have to disable it...
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201351
And
https://support.apple.com/kb/PH2702?locale=en_GB
If she has already definitely turned off find my iPhone, and you still can't reset, recovery mode might help...
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201263
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Sevenlayermuddle is correct and it is find my iPhone which has locked your device (Apple iPhones iPads etc)
You will need to connect the iPhone back to the Internet, wifi is fine and you could use any internet connection or wifi, then presumably you do not know these credentials, so you need to ask your daughter to login to find my iPhone and remove the iPhone
This then removes the device and unlocks it for the new owner, and why your iPhone needs to be online is to allow the unlock, otherwise it will still retain the original lock
This is a great feature, which helps stop theft of the device is stolen as it is a brick to all except the rightful owner
Be careful though, if you forget your Apple ID, or password or security questions answers, then you may not be allowed back into your find my iPhone or device. I would advice you set a backup email address as well
Please do not complete a factory restore unless the lock has been removed, as it will just reload a fresh install of iOS/firmware, then start up as new iPhone but stop unless you can input the correct locked Apple ID and password, but with these credentials, would start to put all photo/apps etc back into iPhone
Many thanks
John
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Thank you that's helpful :).
Yes its 'find my phone' (as she has come home for a few days I have just asked her and she did knot know it had that setting)!.
I have not had time to read the links yet (to night) will it show up on iCloud she now has two phones ?
Is it normal you only have one iCloud account for all devices ?.
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Hi
You need to do the following
Put the iPhone 4 live on the Internet (wifi is acceptable)
Login to find my phone (Google search find my phone login)
Once logged in, as long as both iPhones are registered to same Apple ID, and iPhone 4 is live over the Internet, both iPhones will be displayed, if iPhone 4 is not live, this will still show but show as greyed out, stating not on line
If iPhone 4 online, select iPhone 4, then remove, which should erase, remove and unlock the iPhone 4
Logout
Restart iPhone 4
This should now allow normal setup for the new user
I would advise you to create an Apple ID of your own, and turn on find my phone, so you have same protection
Many thanks
John
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Repeating much of what John has just said as he beat me to the post button, but sending anyway.... :D
Yes, she'll have two devices showing up on when she logs into iCloud right now. It should be obvious which one's which, but if you want to demonstrate, shed'd be able to 'play a sound' on one at a time.
Once it's all sorted it is well worth ensuring that you also have Find My iPhone enabled. With iOS 9 it's pretty much the default and hard to do otherwise, but ISTR with iOS 7 you still had to opt in.
It brings peace of mind if your phone ever goes missing. You can remotely erase it. You can make it display a message saying "I'm Mike, here's my number please call me" so if found, you might get it back. But in the hands of a thief it's a brick - he can't unlock it as he doesn't have the passcode, and he can't restore it (factory reset), unless you release it using iCloud.
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Update.
Last night I connected it back up to our WiFi and my daughter turned off 'Find My Phone' , I then turned the WiFi off again and 'Erased' the content ok.
It looks like I need to now get a smaller 'SIM' or cut mine down ;) before I can do anything else.
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Excellent. :)
The cutting down sims, I have always been wary of doing so in case I end up with sim that's jammed in the slot, and only myself to blame.
Until recently most mobile operators would send out a new sim in the post, foc. They still hand them out foc but they're getting a bit awkward, as scammers were using as a ploy to get your number, thus enabling themselves to by-pass two step authentication by the banks etc.
Vodafone even refused me a replacement SIM face to face in the shop a few weeks back, even though I had phone and old SIM with me. Problem was, even though it was just PAYG, they had it registered to better half and, apparently, I don't look like a girl. So I had a wasted journey, she had to go herself later, and take id.
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Well its all gone well, I got a free SIM of the correct size from the T.mobile / EE shop.
The phone working well now, just going through all the settings :'(.
Thank you for your help. :)
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The next problem..
When this phone was given to me by my daughter I backed it up to iTunes on a spare computer, Now I have erased the phone and put My details on it, I come to back it up now on that same computer, It Still Thinks it's still my daughters phone (I think it is using the Mac address of the phone).
It had started to put back her photos >:D which I can not remove .
Help.
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It may be something to do with synching. Check the settings in iTunes. I had something similar in that it was putting any photos and apps from my ipad backups on to my ipod.
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I don't actually use iTunes much TBH, but I'm guessing... The problem may be that you inadvertently synced the device with iTunes on the PC, before erasing it. So these photos are now in your iTunes library, and syncing back to the phone when you connect.
There are instructions here for removing photos from iTunes, as distinct from removing them from the phone...
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201313
In iTunes, locate and click on your device.
Click Photos.
Choose "Selected albums" and deselect the albums or collections you want to delete.
To delete all synced photos, deselect "Sync Photos from" and, when asked, click "Remove photos."
Click Apply.
Having done so, sync the phone again and hopefully they'll be gone.
You may also want to delete the back up that was taken while it was still your daughter's. I think the iTunes GUI provides for that, though not sure where to point and what to click. :-[
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Thinking about this while trying to get to sleep last night, is it just as simply making another user account on the itunes computer and backing it up again :hmm:
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That may well work and given your circumstances where the 'user' on the PC is of no value, might well be worth a try?
I think that when you connect the phone you might be prompted to 'erase and sync' with the new, empty, library. From the sound of things that is probably exactly what you want...
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That worked ok, I have got rid of the un-wanted photo's and also managed to download my contacts from old Samsung phone to the win7 computer, save them under contacts then download to the iphone. ;D
Then back it up again.
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Next puzzling thing is the Dots top left, are the the normal phone signal strength or something to do with 3G or Data .
As I put in another post we now have a 'signal box' because we do not get a phone signal, but my iphone and my wife's.
We both have 'Mobile Data' and '3G' turned off We can not make phone calls at home >:D
Are we supposed to have 3G on ?.
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The dots are signal strength.
Am I right that your 'signal box' is a Femto cell?
If so then I would have expected voice calls to work without data enabled, but I could be wrong. Femto cells are one of many things I know very little about. :blush:
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I think you have not enabled wifi or it cannot access your signal box
Like sevenlayermuddle, I don't know much about signal box, I used to with the blackberry/orange box I think it was, so if it's this box you refer to, from memory, you need to login to signal box and authorise the mobiles which are allowed to use it
Many thanks and sorry if I'm wrong
John
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I had a Vodafone Suresignal and this needed 3G enabled on the phone to work.
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Am I right that your 'signal box' is a Femto cell?
Yes.
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I think you have not enabled wifi or it cannot access your signal box
Well I have WiFi turned on on my phone but I think it sends out a very weak phone signal so me thinks I should have 3G turned on on my iphone :hmm: :shrug2:
I had a shock when I found out some of the apps where using my £5 PAYG and it Now £2.50 >:( so I turned off 3G and Data, should I only turn off Mobile Data ?.
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Yes, disable mobile data, which should stop the iPhone from using mobile data and only use wifi
Also, turn off roaming data, in case you go abroad
Lastly, goto settings and check your apps, incase there set to use mobile data
@dray, that was what I was thinking about, but old age stopped me remembering its name
Many thanks
John
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The femto cell emits a 3G phone signal so you need 3G turned on on the iPhone for it to work.
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The femto cell emits a 3G phone signal so you need 3G turned on on the iPhone for it to work.
Yes that works, four dots and tried free call to T.Mobile 150 .
But turning 3G on will the iphone want to use that instead of WiFi for some things ?.
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As long as 'mobile data' is turned off you shouldn't be charged for any data, regardless of the 3G setting.