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Broadband Related => Broadband Hardware => Topic started by: bisty on February 13, 2016, 10:03:13 PM
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Hi all,
I have just had Vodafone broadband (FTTC) installed (changed from Tesco Broadband who are exiting the market). So far, so good. But I have a question I'm sure you clever people will be able to answer.
I would dearly love to re-use my FritzBox 7490 that I bought (for an exorbitant price) just 12 months ago, instead of consigning it to the garage. However, Vodafone say I can't use my own router, and I must use their Vodafone Connect (Huawei 963168_HUAWEIVOX25).
Does anyone know how I would obtain the Vodafone broadband username/password? Is there some way I can "hack" into the Huawei to get this info? Could it possibly be a default username/password?
Thanks for listening, I look forward to your answers.
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I would suggest trying to setup the 7490 perhaps using the Kitz ZyXEL guide (http://www.kitz.co.uk/routers/zyxel_VMG8324-B10A_vdsl_setup.htm) if required for the actual exact settings and try entering your account username/password details. I'm fairly sure other than Sky most ISP use the same connection settings [vlan tagging etc].
Failing that - Are there any details within the config on their supplied router/modem for username and connection details? The reason they maybe requiring the use of their device is because I believe Vodafone are now offering their own OTT TV service or maybe I read that its coming sometime in the near future.
But word of warning if you're going to swap routers around too often you might invoke the wrath of the god that is DLM.
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Sky are the same too, it's just the username and password are presented a little differently.
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Ah Thanks Dray - not had any personal experience with Sky Fibre I just seem to remember an issue with DHCP 61 or some such.
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Thanks for your answer, Starman. But it's my account username/password I need...Vodafone will NOT give me the details, and the Huawei web-interface that you log into (192.168.1.1) does not have any account details whatsoever.
Is it possible to Telnet into the Huawei, and if so, what is the command to view username/password?
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I was only briefly a broadband customer of Vodafone, after Demon broadband evolved into Vodafone.
With that brief encounter I had the impression they had inherited Demon's amazing support staff and Indian call centre, in which case you have my deepest sympathy. Just assume anything they tell you might be fact or might be fiction, chances are no better than 50/50 either way. :(
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Does the router have a WAN port so that you can plug into a modem?
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Cheers Steven. I've spoken to Vodafone helpdesk and (thankfully) they're based in the UK.
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Thanks for your answer, Starman. But it's my account username/password I need...
Is it possible to Telnet into the Huawei, and if so, what is the command to view username/password?
Unfortunately it sounds like the experience people had with Sky Fibre when it first launched may have to wait until someone tries to crack open this nut unless you fancy attempting it yourself :)
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Dray, no WAN port, but there's a bit of plastic on the back with a note saying "This port is not in use".
Could they have stuck this plastic sticker over the WAN port?
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A picture paints a thousand words - couple of shots of the rear would be useful.
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Well, yes they could. In the case of the Openreach Huawei modem, this was what happened to the LAN2 port which was used to hack the modem ;)
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Unfortunately it sounds like the experience people had with Sky Fibre when it first launched may have to wait until someone tries to crack open this nut unless you fancy attempting it yourself :)
Starman, I wouldn't have a clue where to start! I'll have to rely on you good people to crack this nut for me.....please! The Fritzbox is so useful, OpenDNS for starters.
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Start by posting a picture on here of the ports on the router
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Well, yes they could. In the case of the Openreach Huawei modem, this was what happened to the LAN2 port which was used to hack the modem ;)
If I pulled these stickers off and it does, indeed, reveal a WAN port, is it easy to "hack" this router? If so, I would really appreciate some guidance on how to do this, many thanks.
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I don't think any of us actually recognise, for sure, the device to which you refer. :-\
A clear picture of the label or a manual transcription of the details shown thereupon would be a good starting point.
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Posting this picture of the back of my router is proving too difficult, picture size too big, and not sure how to reduce the quality...epic fail, sorry. I'll try later.
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Posting this picture of the back of my router is proving too difficult, picture size too big, and not sure how to reduce the quality...epic fail, sorry. I'll try later.
You could just create a free photobucket (http://photobucket.com/)account and drag it in there and post a link :)
Chunks
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If you have Windows 7, you should have ... Paint
Select 'Edit' by right clicking on your picture, then Resize it.
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I too have just had Vodafone broadband installed and I'm really unhappy about not being able to use my own router because frankly, theirs is useless. If it turns out to be a dead end then I plan to cancel during the 14-day cooling off period, but in the meantime I'm trying to harvest whatever details I can from the device so figured I'd pitch in :)
Before tinkering with anything I wanted to confirm the company's official line on the subject. Vodafone has been putting out very conflicting information about its policy and stance on this situation so I rang its broadband support line and asked them outright. As is seemingly everyone else's experience, the rep refused to give out the credentials required to connect, however he did state categorically that they don't mind me using my own router. Verbatim: "If you want to use your own equipment and can get it working on our broadband then fair play to you". He agreed that the policy seemed at odds with itself and was ridiculous. It's like they've sold me a car without the keys but don't mind if I successfully hot-wire it!
The device Vodafone provides is a Huawei HHG2500 (https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Huawei_HHG2500); a combined router and VDSL2 modem branded up as a "Vodafone Connect" here in the UK and a "Vodafone Station Revolution" in Italy. It has a completely crippled web interface that only allows the most basic of configuration and exposes very little information about the connection (seriously - you can't even disable its DHCP server, which assumes the entire private network range as its address pool). As can be seen in the photograph on WikiDevi, the device has three RJ11 ports and five RJ45 ports, but Vodafone has placed hard plastic stickers over the light grey ports, marking them as "not in use". Your DSL line goes into the red socket and your PCs go into the yellow sockets. Firmware appears to be based on OpenRG.
One function that is exposed through the web interface is a configuration export, yielding a surprisingly large (~100 KiB) XML file. Within that file I found two distinct usernames: autoconfig@broadband.vodafone.co.uk and dsl000******@broadband.vodafone.co.uk (the latter seemed unique to me so I've starred out the digits). There did not appear to be any corresponding passwords to these usernames, plaintext or otherwise.
I tried swapping out the Vodafone device for an Openreach modem (EchoLife HG612) I had lying around, hooked up a laptop and attempted to make the PPPoE connection. It connected successfully using the generic autoconfig@broadband.vodafone.co.uk username as above with the password password (which seemed to be the only accepted combination) Unfortunately I didn't have Internet access at this point, though I had been automatically provisioned an IP address and two DNS servers which resolved all queries to a Vodafone IP address. Trying to browse to any website consequently took me to a Vodafone web page saying something to the effect of "Your router is just connecting now", so it's as if there is some further negotiation the official router performs after bringing up the PPPoE interface.
Appreciating the default settings on the Openreach modem, I updated it accordingly (http://www.kitz.co.uk/routers/hg612hacking.htm) and removed its VLAN tagging, so all frames are now passed as-is through the Openreach modem's LAN1 interface. Sniffing packets on here showed its usual traffic on VLANs 101 and 301.
Frustratingly this is as far as I've got - close, but no cigar (yet). I don't claim to be an expert on any of this stuff, and this is my first experience of consumer VDSL broadband. Maybe someone here knows what steps the official router is likely to take after establishing the PPPoE link?
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So dsl000******@broadband.vodafone.co.uk doesn't authenticate?
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So dsl000******@broadband.vodafone.co.uk doesn't authenticate?
I've tried "password", "vodafone", "broadband" and the unit's serial number to no avail. :(
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Can you plug the WAN port into the HG612 and connect that way?
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Can you plug the WAN port into the HG612 and connect that way?
Interesting, I hadn't thought to try that. I made the connections and powered on the VF router - the port activity lights on the Openreach came on for about 50 seconds then went off, as if the interface was administratively downed once the VF had fully booted up. I'll try a packet capture on the off chance...
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You need VLAN 101 specified on the HG612....
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Same story, the HG612 has its original configuration, tagging VLAN 101. I'm curious about this brief window where the HHG2500's WAN port is up, I wonder if that's its bootloader giving an opportunity to interrupt (for copying a new firmware image etc.).
Another avenue I plan to explore is the fact that the unit has two USB ports, intended for sharing printers and hard drives with the local network. I remember an exploit with some older soho routers that ran an old version of Samba, where one could craft a USB pen drive with a symlink to / and explore the router's filesystem. No doubt that particular exploit would be patched out now, but to do something in a similar vein would be rather nice.
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Well good luck. I can't understand these ISPs where you have to use their crappy router.
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My suspicion is that the "autoconfig@broadband.vodafone.co.uk" string is related to Vodafone's implementation of TR-069. :-\
Suggestion -- Try making an nmap scan for every physical port on the device. Who knows what might be seen? ;)
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Thanks for your input, Bonzer. I would really appreciate it if you could update the Forum if you manage to figure out how to use your own router, cheers. :fingers:
Save me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope! ;D
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Well good luck. I can't understand these ISPs where you have to use their crappy router.
I presume it is because
1 It is OK for 99% of their subscriber base
2. It enables them to have a endpoint under their control and they can set up diagnostic tests for that precise endpoint.
3. They can buy a few million of them at a hugely reduced price and also get customised firmware on them.
4. Reduced customer support time dealing with (even if they don't want to) other routers.
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Agree with c6em
Thing is, if an ISP has a standard modem, then they can stand by its performance. After all, if a user picks a horrid modem and then reports faults, that's not fair on the ISP. Maybe recommending a modem is the way to go. You can't force users to use one, well maybe you can, but you shouldn't be trying to.
My second point. Must surely save money if customer service have a standard router whose UI they know so they can talk the user round it efficiently. Simply can't expect customer service to know what is going on with every known router out there. Maybe the way to go here is to say, “use our standard modem if you have a fault, otherwise fix the problem yourself.”
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My suspicion is that the "autoconfig@broadband.vodafone.co.uk" string is related to Vodafone's implementation of TR-069. :-\
So the router connects with autoconfig@ then TR069 configures the router with the username/password of the day and then the router reconnects with the new credentials? Tricky :(
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Thing is, if an ISP has a standard modem, then they can stand by its performance. After all, if a user picks a horrid modem and then reports faults, that's not fair on the ISP. Maybe recommending a modem is the way to go. You can't force users to use one, well maybe you can, but you shouldn't be trying to.
But if the 'standard modem' is a piece of cr@p then the EU is just going to WANT to replace it even more. If they supplied a half decent modem/router as standard, then only a very small minority would want to replace it at all, and those people would in almost all cases be technical enough to deal with the consequences.
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@loonylion - good point. But you and I are talking about different species of ISPs, the sane and insane. ;D
Both exist.
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. . . The device Vodafone provides is a Huawei HHG2500 (https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Huawei_HHG2500); a combined router and VDSL2 modem branded up as a "Vodafone Connect" here in the UK . . .
Looking at the image, in the above link, makes me wonder if there is a serial console accessible . . . :-\
That may be the way to do it! ;)
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Has anyone managed to use their own router yet? I'm thinking of taking out a second FTTC line and Vodafone is one of the options but won't go anywhere near them if they won't let me use my own router...
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Has anyone managed to use their own router yet? I'm thinking of taking out a second FTTC line and Vodafone is one of the options but won't go anywhere near them if they won't let me use my own router...
Not that I'm aware of. I would've torn the device open and probed its serial pins like burakkucat suggests, but I ultimately decided to cancel during the 14-day grace period. Not only would Vodafone not allow the use of my own router, but they also couldn't port my landline number from Virgin Media, which said enough to dissuade me from committing to the 18-month contract. I wouldn't recommend the service in its current form to anyone who knows what a router is.
The customer service rep said they've had a ton of calls asking about using other routers, so here's hoping they drop this ridiculous policy before long. :fingers:
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I wouldn't recommend the service in its current form to anyone who knows what a router is.
I admire your reasoning. And I would speculate that the 'own router' policy was agreed upon at a meeting of senior executives, none of whom knew what a router was. ::)
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Looks like they're rolling out the same service across Europe with plenty of integrated services, so the router policy makes sense to me.
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Just found this on an Ireland forum
The username is the serial number @vfiefttc.ie and the password is broadband. No problems, loads of people are using other routers and have the vodafone one in bridge mode. I am using a TP-Link Archer C7 and I get transfer rates of around 300 Mbit/s to my NAS. Great job.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90384290&postcount=7
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Vodafone use DHCP full protocol which uses the MAC address of the router supplied to even let you access the network in any way. The only way it would be possible to not use their hardware would be if your other router has the ability to clone the mac address of the Vodafone huawei router. Without that no username or password would ever work.
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Few things after testing:
1. Cloning of MAC address not helps.
2. With user name autoconfig@broadband.vodafone.co.uk you can connect, but IP address is from different range that normal, I think this is used for maintenance by engineers.
3. Can somebody share with other user name dsl000237***@broadband.vodafone.co.uk to compare if is same for all users or different; for security reason, let’s not show 3 last digits.
4. Serial interface, I think, is disabled, found information about other router http://blog.asiantuntijakaveri.fi/2014/08/serial-console-on-huawei-b593u.html
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I'm thinking about changing to Vodafone Broadband too and I've just seen this thread. Not being able to use your own router is a bit concerning!
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Where available Vodafone are using FTTC for the “up to 17Mb” tariff that you would assume to ADSL, presumably so Vodafone do not have to use ADSL kit at the exchange where fibre is available. The result of this that a 40/10Mb FTTC connection is capped by the router to 20/2Mb.
I should think that this is the main reason that VF have locked the router down so tightly, they would have no why of controlling this cap with a 3rd party router.
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Few things after testing:
3. Can somebody share with other user name dsl000237***@broadband.vodafone.co.uk to compare if is same for all users or different; for security reason, let’s not show 3 last digits.
I have joined Vodafone UK and I am pleased with speed & price ;D
My username is dsl000269***@broadband.vodafone.co.uk
VF Connect router too locked down, I want to use my DDWRT like I did on BT.
The Echolife HG612 seems to connect fine, We only need correct username & password.
Does anyone here have the skills to open a VF Connect and read the data if I donated a new UK one?
I will have a chat with vodafone ireland as they give them access to put their routers into bridging mode
and it shows them the username and password.
Its strange VF UK not doing same for us ::)
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My username is similar dsl000232***@broadband.vodafone.co.uk.
Can i ask what settings you are using on your router? :)
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I am on VF Connect Firmware version: 5.4.8.1.160.13.77 but heard they are rolling out new Firmware 5.4.8.1.271.1.41.
It has been delayed but you can disable DHCP & use Bridge mode apparently in new software.
;D
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Yeah heard about that. But its been put on hold due to numerous bugs. I dont trust Vodafone anymore with coming out with any consistent updates, they have been talking a about this update since December last year. I managed to get out my contract without any early termination fees by complaining to OFCOM and then writing Vodafone a letter.
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When you're using the Huawei HG612 and enter the username and get an I.P and 2 DNS servers, if it works like other ISP's then that's coming from TR-069 and nothing to do with the internet connection.
have you simply tried bridge > ip bridged/pppoe bridged with a vlan101, and with no username or password?
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Good news!! It appears Vodafone are now giving out broadband usernames & passwords if you make it clear that you take full responsibility for using your own router. You may need to call them a few times though.
http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/t5/Pay-monthly-products-services/Vodafone-connect-router-DHCP-settings/m-p/2506988#M20334
Personally, i may take out a second FTTC line on their Business offering primarily to get a static IP, will call them soon to see what sort of deal they can offer me.
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If you've searched and stumbled across this forum looking to see if you can use your own router with Vodafone, the answer is YES!
I obtained my username/password from a very helpful chap from Vodafone Broadband helpdesk, and now I'm happily using my own router.
This has resolved my issue, many thanks for all your posts, and thanks for reading.
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I had the same experience - Vodafone's router is garbage. There is a long thread (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,18911.0.html) that describes how to hack into the router and then extract your password from the hash key sent to the exchange. But as you have found, they are now giving out usernames and passwords allowing you to use your own hardware.
I was getting continual reconnects using their router, they admitted it was so bad that I was allowed to cancel my contract even though it was just outside their cooling off period. While waiting for EE to start their service I asked for my password and was given it once I had confirmed that I was using an Openreach supported device (amusingly, the Vodafone router is not on their list). Once I switched back to the old Plusnet kit I had been using previously I got a rock solid connection. The new EE router is doing just as good a job, not a single reconnect event.
They must have been haemorrhaging customers because of their terrible hardware and decided that handing out passwords was the only way to stop it.
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My suspicion is that the "autoconfig@broadband.vodafone.co.uk" string is related to Vodafone's implementation of TR-069. :-\
Suggestion -- Try making an nmap scan for every physical port on the device. Who knows what might be seen? ;)
If my dreaded HHG2500 has never been flashed up (go live date 14/08/2017), is it conceivable that I could get my TP-LINK W9970 to get the configuration via the CWMP facilty of the W9970?
The configurations settings I would need to enter are:-
WAN Management Protocol (also called TR-069) allows the Auto-Configuration Server (ACS) to perform auto-configuration, provision, collection, and diagnostics to this device. You may configure this function under your ISP's instructions.
CWMP:
Enable Disable
Inform:
Enable Disable
Inform Interval:
ACS URL:
ACS User name:
ACS Password:
Interface used by TR-069 client:
Display SOAP messages on serial console:
Enable Disable
Connection Request Authentication
Connection Request Username:
Connection Request Password:
Connection Request Path:
Connection Request Port:
Connection Request URL:
Any thoughts welcome.
[Moderator edited to remove the above URL.]
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Why? Just request your username and password from their support and use your own router.
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It appears Vodafone are now giving out broadband usernames & passwords if you make it clear that you take full responsibility for using your own router. You may need to call them a few times though.
It makes no difference which modem/router your using with Vodafone when it comes to identifying line drops or sync issues Vodafone's Tech team only seem to see 24 hours worth of customers line data if you ask them how many drops/resyncs did I have in 7 days they won't be able to answer that question and that is using their own HHG2500.
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Can i ask why none of you have logged into your router via the grey wan port 192.168.1.1 password vodafone assigning your own DNS Server addresses 208.67.222.222 · 208.67.220.220 or just plugged directly into your CableTV, Cable Modem Coax from your system to another DNS Server other than Cable for instance.
https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/vodafone/vodafone_station_revolution
https://www.opendns.com/home-internet-security
https://openvpn.net/
Do you know the difference between a token ring, Bus and Cable TV. Network As far as i'm aware when your disconnected from Cable they only pull your mac address from there DNS Server pool, no longer providing you a software assigned address for your registered mac! and have you ever wondered what would happen was you to list your own mac address, in a different pool, using that same cable (same cable- Different Carrier, unless theres a total disconnect or a no signal return in place preventing DHCP Discovery, then obviously it would fail, but you can't provide Tivo with a no signal return inplace, or a total disconnect.
Has anyone ever tried setting up there own network across Cabletv Network, using a BNC or Token ring network card or even converting the media type, curious to ask, because i often wonder is a modem (SuperHub) not just a BNC Video Balun, with an thardware addresses that cable can control, adding and removing those hardware addresses from the server pools, not only that but with the extra script makes setting up a pc and a connection, much simpler, remember the days of dial up and your Setup disks you used to get? with all your connection details, area code, region, dial up server number and the hassle it all caused (the SuperHub) contains all those settings, billing controls the pool, pulling and returning your mac address as your balance deems, all that information, the bill payer just deems it an essential part of the connection process, failing to understand that controlling all that information themselves and doing all there own configuration, when your hardware address isn't in the pool, your not getting another assigned software address. No one says you have to use that pool however, Aslong as there is a Tftp Server somewhere and a gateway to the rest of the worlds information, does hardwork not pay?
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@chrisbuck99
I'm afraid your post doesnt make much sense to me. You appear to be talking about cable connections. :(
Vodafone uses DSL, PTM & CHAP authentication. As such a username and password (not Mac address) is required to be able to connect. The vodafone box was locked down tight and it was no simple task to get this information.
does hardwork not pay?
Yes it does. An awful lot of combined man-hours by members of this forum actually found a way of hacking into the Vodafone HHG2500.
Bishbashbosh was the first to achieve success in finding a way to extract the username and password, which then later had to be unencrypted by brute force.
As a direct result of the hard work from several of our forum members, Vodafone has now changed their stance on issuing login information to their EU's as long as they are using an MCT approved modem.
You can see the full thread here (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,18911.300.html) - There were at least 5 Vodafone techs crawling all over that thread once news got out that we'd managed to hack into the Vodafone router and successfully obtain the required login info.
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Can i ask why none of you have logged into your router via the grey wan port 192.168.1.1 password vodafone assigning your own DNS Server addresses 208.67.222.222 · 208.67.220.220 or just plugged directly into your CableTV, Cable Modem Coax from your system to another DNS Server other than Cable for instance.
As Kitz pointed out, Vodafone don't do cable. The modem being discussed here is a xDSL modem.
Virgin Media are the only UK cable company who use coax. They don't authenticate the way you describe either. Sounds like you may be from the U.S/Canada.