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Announcements => Site & Forum Discussion => Topic started by: Oldjim on February 01, 2016, 11:49:23 AM
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Could you consider a slight mod to the software to make links more obvious - use of bold and/or underline perhaps
This is what triggered it http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,16838.msg310684.html#msg310684
and this is an example linky (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,16838.msg310684.html#msg310684)
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I had to look twice at that post to see the link - underline would be more appropriate.
I sometimes add the underline myself - your example linky (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,16838.msg310684.html#msg310684)
(and how often do you need to be reminded that nit-picking is hyphenated?)
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(and how often do you need to be reminded that nit-picking is hyphenated?)
As a proof reader myself, I think you''ll find it's one word, no space, no hyphenation....
OED
Definition of nitpicking in English:
noun
nitpicking
[MASS NOUN] informal
Fussy or pedantic fault-finding:
nitpicking over tiny details
[AS MODIFIER]: a nitpicking legalistic exercise
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It is hyphenated in the Pocket Oxford Dictionary beside my desk. Also in the OED I have.
But these things evolve and change over time; language is not static. ;)
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It is hyphenated in the Pocket Oxford Dictionary beside my desk. Also in the OED I have.
Okay, must be correct then.
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Maybe both are allowed now, but it seems that it is definitely not two words. ;)
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Maybe both are allowed now, but it seems that it is definitely not two words. ;)
Yes, both is a possibility. Just dug out my ancient First Edition OED from 1976 and that has it hyphenated. I've always understood (maybe wrongly) that it was one word since I started proof reading back in the early 80s and when writing technical manuals for a certain well known telecommunications company - although they probably did not contain that word. Odd thing is that the current online OED I quoted says no hyphen without showing any alternative.
Anyway, certainly no space we agree.
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The OED I referred to is not new, dated 1995.
It was in use until very recently (not by me) to assist with the correct drafting of Civil Service documents including letters to/from ministers and MP's but mostly UK primary legislation!
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Could you consider a slight mod to the software to make links more obvious - use of bold and/or underline perhaps
This is what triggered it http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,16838.msg310684.html#msg310684
and this is an example linky (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,16838.msg310684.html#msg310684)
On the OP, I agree. I've now started to add bold to most links I include.
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I've posted many urls and the default setting is to print out the entire url. The person posting 1 word links are obviously modifying it. I do know how to do this in html. But when I post links on here I know from personal experience that clicking blind links isn't a good thing. If everyone printed the whole url then there wouldnt be an issue.
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Example of how to put text in to a link:
[url=http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,16838.msg310684.html#msg310684][u]linky[/u][/url]
gives
linky (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,16838.msg310684.html#msg310684)
Do you not hover the mouse over the link to see where it goes on all web pages before clicking if you are not sure?
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right at the bottom of the window - I hadn't spotted that before - much quicker than my usual method
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I've posted many urls and the default setting is to print out the entire url. The person posting 1 word links are obviously modifying it. I do know how to do this in html. But when I post links on here I know from personal experience that clicking blind links isn't a good thing. If everyone printed the whole url then there wouldnt be an issue.
If I understand you correctly then it is a facility already present within the editor window. You just highlight your one word and then click the Globe icon in the editor window (second row above text editor frame, second icon) and then paste in the URL to the resulting popup to create the link....
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I must admit hat I usually post links as a word or perhaps a short phrase rather than a whole url as I find the complete url often stops the flow of the comments being posted, however I do agree that it is not always obvious on here (some other fora do it differently) and think that an underline as well as a change of colour would help quite a lot. As others have mentioned it is possible to check the url before clicking by looking elsewhere on the screen while hovering with the mouse. I dont always check the url though if it is from one of our usual contributors then I do trust it without checking.
Stuart
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If I understand you correctly then it is a facility already present within the editor window. You just highlight your one word and then click the Globe icon in the editor window (second row above text editor frame, second icon) and then paste in the URL to the resulting popup to create the link....
Whenever I press the globe icon it just inserts the URL tags and I don't get the pop up, any idea's why as it's a pain when on the phone or tablet?
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Whenever I press the globe icon it just inserts the URL tags and I don't get the pop up, any idea's why as it's a pain when on the phone or tablet?
No idea, sorry. In fact I don't use any of the clickable icons, above, but just instinctively type out the relevant bbc tags, as appropriate.
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Whenever I press the globe icon it just inserts the URL tags and I don't get the pop up, any idea's why as it's a pain when on the phone or tablet?
I just tried it on a Galaxy S5 and same result as you. No idea why, pop ups not supported? Bug? Browser config setting? Ad/pop up blocker Or.... Android does support pop ups (if that's what OS you are using, Apple I have no idea).
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Because you are not composing in WYSIWYG view. Click the (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/Themes/KitzBlue/images/bbc/toggle.gif)icon at the end to toggle between the two view types.
You can set the "Show WYSIWYG editor on post page by default." in the Look and Layout section of your profile.
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Because you are not composing in WYSIWYG view. Click the (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/Themes/KitzBlue/images/bbc/toggle.gif)icon at the end to toggle between the two view types.
You can set the "Show WYSIWYG editor on post page by default." in the Look and Layout section of your profile.
And that gets 'Your browser does not support Rich Text Editing ....'
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That will be why you are stuck in standard view on that device where you see the BBCode tags. Try it in a Windows, Linux or Mac browser.
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Ive changed the CSS, but atm Im not convinced as it makes the index page look cluttered with underlines.
Perhaps it needs changing only in certain areas or embolding.. Unfortunately I just havent got time atm to go though all the CSS files.
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That will be why you are stuck in standard view on that device where you see the BBCode tags. Try it in a Windows, Linux or Mac browser.
Yes, that's what I normally use (Windows anyway, don't know about the others). Hence how I knew to post what the Globe should do ;)
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Personally, I always like to see the whole URL displayed, for the simple reason we all then know exactly what we are clicking on. And so when posting I always do so, I simply copy & paste the link in plain text. :)
Yes, I know hyperlinks can be spoofed, and there's other ways to find out what they are before clicking but showing the entire URL does increase my 'comfort factor' before clicking a link. ???
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Ive changed the CSS, but atm Im not convinced as it makes the index page look cluttered with underlines.
Perhaps it needs changing only in certain areas or embolding.. Unfortunately I just havent got time atm to go though all the CSS files.
I've taken it back out. It looked terrible and made the forum look a mass of dreadful lines.
It really was cluttered and horrible.
Ive just spent about 45mins going through the css and there is no easy way just to get hyperlinks within the post body as all the other styles cascade from post, so it would mean re-defining hundreds of other styles.
Instead Ive now emboldened hyperlinks and underline is upon hover.
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Right now it doesn't look pretty on my iPad.
'Show unread post', for example, reveals a screen with far too much (IMHO) bold print - a bit like it was written with a child's crayon.
Maybe I need to clear my caches?
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It really was cluttered and horrible.
Cluttered and horrible, agreed. :(
Instead Ive now emboldened hyperlinks and underline is upon hover.
Much nicer. I could live with that -- just as long as it does not cause any other future problems . . . :)
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Right now it doesn't look pretty on my iPad.
'Show unread post', for example, reveals a screen with far too much (IMHO) bold print - a bit like it was written with a child's crayon.
Maybe I need to clear my caches?
No that is the new one.
I havent checked what it looks like on mobile.
If you think it looks bad with bold, it was 10 times worse underlined. It really was horrible.
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Right now it doesn't look pretty on my iPad.
'Show unread post', for example, reveals a screen with far too much (IMHO) bold print - a bit like it was written with a child's crayon.
Maybe I need to clear my caches?
No that is the new one.
I havent checked what it looks like on mobile.
If you think it looks bad with bold, it was 10 times worse underlined. It really was horrible.
Then ignore me for now, see what others think. Won't be the first time I've found myself in minority. :D
Especially as it's well gone midnight and you already said you were pushed for time.
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It doesnt look too bad on my galaxy.
The problem is that post body is the default style and everything else cascades from that. So whatever I change affects all the other styles.
I agree everything does look larger now, but it is the lesser of 2 evils. The other alternative is text color. I may have a play another time to see what cascades through if I change the colour of text links.
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Out of interest I just went to have a look at what Plusnet do as I know they use SMF. However... are they still using SMF1 ?
Powered by SMF | SMF © 2006-2008, Simple Machines LLC
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Because you are not composing in WYSIWYG view. Click the (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/Themes/KitzBlue/images/bbc/toggle.gif)icon at the end to toggle between the two view types.
You can set the "Show WYSIWYG editor on post page by default." in the Look and Layout section of your profile.
And that gets 'Your browser does not support Rich Text Editing ....'
I get the same result on my S4 using Chrome.
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Out of interest I just went to have a look at what Plusnet do as I know they use SMF. However... are they still using SMF1 ?
Yes
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Out of interest I just went to have a look at what Plusnet do as I know they use SMF. However... are they still using SMF1 ?
Yes
That could possibly be why they can get urls in the post body. I went over to SMF2 years ago for its better security and moderation facilities. I cant recall if I had underlined links in SMF1 but I think I may have. I seem to recall in the dim and distant past someone asking about underlined links, but it really does look awful if I try change the CSS. Everything looks cluttered and the index page just becomes one mass of underlines which makes everything very difficult to read.
Ive have a look on other forums and the vast majority dont use underlined links possibly for this reason.
The only other thing I can think of doing is choose a different contrast colour rather than blue. For now Ive altered it to bold.
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I saw the underline everything - it was truly awful!
I'm not keen on the bold - it's a bit too much.
Kitz: Try adding this to the CSS
.post a {
text-decoration: underline;
}
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Ive just tried a different contrast, still not sure if it looks washed out.
Kitz: Try adding this to the CSS
Thank you I couldnt find a what style I needed to change.
Just done a serach and about the only reference to .post is this
.post, .personalmessage
{
width: 100%;
overflow: auto;
line-height: 1.4em;
}
I'll change the contrast back and try adding your suggested code.
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Done
test linky (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php)
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Success!
I explored the CSS on the Plusnet forums to find that!
Edit: People may need to do a CTRL+F5 to get the updated CSS.
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Thank you, that appears to have done the trick. :thumbs:
Now knowing the style name, I should also amend .personalmessage.
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Sorted.
Thank you jelv for you help.
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Done
test linky (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php)
Thanks very much Kitz for sorting out my nit picking nit-picking nitpicking
I am very happy with the result ;D
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Got there in the end. :)
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Agreed. A most successful conclusion.
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I'm not nitpicking, but the underlining now stands out in the line that prefixes a quote, and makes the top of a quote box look just a little funny. I obviously missed how truly horrible things got yesterday, so I imagine this is small...
Did the line prefixing the quote always stand outside the quote, before?
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I'm not nitpicking, but the underlining now stands out in the line that prefixes a quote, and makes the top of a quote box look just a little funny. I obviously missed how truly horrible things got yesterday, so I imagine this is small...
Did the line prefixing the quote always stand outside the quote, before?
test
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Did the line prefixing the quote always stand outside the quote, before?
Yes it was outside, but would have looked something similar to the attached image.
Now anything in a post content or PM content will automatically be underlined.
I agree that it is the underlining that makes it look a bit strange, and Ive just noticed its even worse in a post with a quote such as this one here (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,16886.msg311081.html#msg311081).
I obviously missed how truly horrible things got yesterday,
Imagine the post quote I linked to above, only all the way down the page, it was difficult to read anything. :(
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Right. In the old style, a quote with a link would just be bold/blue, while an unlinked quote would be titled in bold/black. Very little visible difference.
And, yes, the nested quotes, with underlines, and bordered boxes, does look messy. I can imagine a horrible page!
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Having learnt from @jelv, here's a possible fix to the side-effect:
.quoteheader a {
text-decoration: none;
}
In chrome, I tried doing the "inspect" from the context menu (right-click with the mouse over the text you want to look at). That showed the style for "post" being put in place.
When I insert the above code into "index.css" straight underneath the equivalent changes for .post and .personalmessage, I can see that the extra bit of styling (for ".quoteheader a") takes precedence over the styling for ".post a".
Result: You lose the underlining for quotation headers.
Side-Effect: You also lose the underlining that would apply when hovering.
I guess there is probably something else I could do to remove the side-effect!
While writing this answer, I noticed that you get underlining for the "code" box too. I bet there is a similar fix for that too.
CSS. Don't you just love it? It seems designed for people who love unintended consequences!
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Thank you wombat
I'd just made a post here (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,16748.msg311312.html#msg311312) which looked awful because of the quote underlines.
Ive just implemented your suggested fix which certainly looks a lot better.
Side-Effect: You also lose the underlining that would apply when hovering.
So you do :/
I'll have a look into that.
I noticed that you get underlining for the "code" box too. I bet there is a similar fix for that too.
eke yes, that needs adjusting too. done.
CSS. Don't you just love it? It seems designed for people who love unintended consequences!
Its certainly turning out to be the case.
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I was looking for the way to get the "underline on hover" feature back, if desired, and have found that you need to add a section with ":hover" *after* the main section that sets the underline to off.
And while writing this post, I discovered that the "small" repeats of recent posts (that appears underneath the reply when typing) no longer have a class of "post", but have a class of "list_posts". Links weren't being underlined there, but this change turns those on as well.
I've also combined sections, so it doesn't look too repetitive.
/* Underline post, list_posts and personal message links */
.post a, .list_posts a, .personalmessage a {
text-decoration: underline;
}
/* Remove underline from quotes in posts, but put it back when hovering */
.quoteheader a, .codeheader a {
text-decoration: none;
}
.quoteheader a:hover, .codeheader a:hover {
text-decoration: underline;
}
That's the how. Whether or not you want to change it is up to you...
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Would it be possible to change CSS so that visited links are a different colour please as tends to be set elsewhere?
I see the core style has both set the same:
a:link, a:visited
{
color:#000080;
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Also has someone upset the editor recently, it does really strange things at time. For a start it inserts an extra line feed after each para, go and edit the post and then you can remove them... I have left them in here.
It also keeps inserting font size changes when none have been requested, especially when cutting an pasting within the text while editing...
It also keeps inserting font size changes when none have been requested, especially when cutting an pasting within the text while editing... Also has someone upset the editor recently, it does really strange things at time. For a start it inserts an extra line feed after each para, go and edit the post and then you can remove them... I have left them in here.
As has happened above!
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Thanks again wombat - done.
I see the core style has both set the same:
a:link, a:visited
If I added a different colour for a:visited in there that too would cascade across the whole forum, which wouldnt look good on the Index and subject pages. There are plenty of links that you may never use, say for eg you many have looked at my profile in the past and that text would be in a different colour than someones profile that you havent visited.
I could perhaps add it to the amendments so far, but tbh Im not even sure it would look right as theres plenty of links that are never clicked. I know it on normal webpages some authors do put different colour visited links. However I am mindful that when I redid the front index page on the main website last year that the two different colours doesnt alway sit right especially when I was pulling the forum 'news' posts so the new css is different frrom the old style where I used to use dark and light grey.
Underlined links do seem to be a bit old fashioned now and the usual style is to put the link in a different colour. I conceded to Jims request just so that things were perhaps more visible. Admittedly I didnt search 100's of forums, but most fora tend not to use underlining. Ive also had a look and even the Plusnet forum which does still have underlined links doesnt have different coloured v links. TBB, ISPr etc all use non underlined links and same colour a & v links.
My fear is that the more you tweak the more cluttered it gets and as weve already seen, changing one thing seems to affect something else unexpected. :(
Also has someone upset the editor recently,
Nope Ive not changed or touched anything to do with the wysiwyg editor. Unfortunately it is generally accepted as broken, particularly with the line spacing.
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=380639.20
It is supposedly going to be fixed in 2.1, but that is still in beta and not recommended for live sites.
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=540977.0
Another reason Im wary of tweaking the core files too much is that I had a heck of a time when upgrading to 2.0.x and lots of things no longer worked purely because I'd edited the core files. :(
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If I added a different colour for a:visited in there that too would cascade across the whole forum, which wouldnt look good on the Index and subject pages. There are plenty of links that you may never use, say for eg you many have looked at my profile in the past and that text would be in a different colour than someones profile that you havent visited.
Ok, not to worry (but what you describe is what I'd expect) although a monotone mid-grey would probably work with blue...
Nope Ive not changed or touched anything to do with the wysiwyg editor. Unfortunately it is generally accepted as broken, particularly with the line spacing.
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=380639.20 (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=380639.20)
That explains it and why I've only noticed it recently :o
I moved from FireFox (no problem) to Chrome (borked) after FF kept freezing up the machine. So thanks.
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Is there any way of when posting an url with the Insert Hyperlink button that it gives the option to add words too?
I know on some forums it asks me for some words then asks for me to insert the url and it then posts the words that you can click on. If you want the words to match the url then I'd just type (or paste) the url in to the words bit as well as the url section.
I used Jelv's post to help me edit my last new url. I was about to post that I couldn't do it then realised I'd missed an ] off lol.. smh.. the days of coding when the program doesn't work and it takes all day to see you missed one letter, number or symbol ;D
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If you click the hyperlink button (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/Themes/KitzBlue/images/bbc/url.gif)
It will insert the following code
[url][/url]
What I do is add the url like this
[url=http://www.kitz.co.uk/][/url]
then I add the text I want to display
[url=http://www.kitz.co.uk/]Click here[/url]
Result
Click here (http://www.kitz.co.uk/)
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If you click the hyperlink button (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/Themes/KitzBlue/images/bbc/url.gif)
It will insert the following code
What I do is add the url like this
then I add the text I want to display
[url=http://www.kitz.co.uk/]Click here[/url]
Result
Click here (http://www.kitz.co.uk/)
I *think* the point is that it doesn't necessarily do that - it puts up a popup asking for the URL if the device supports it (like here). There is no bbcode shown. If you select your text first then it will show that text as a link when you finish.
[size=78%]Edit:[/size]
Unless you flip the A icon at the right when you will get the code it seems...
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I *think* the point is that it doesn't necessarily do that - it puts up a popup asking for the URL if the device supports it (like here). There is no bbcode shown.
Ahh I see what you mean now. I dont use the WYSIWYG editor, so yep therefore if you want to edit the url then you would have to toggle between views to edit the BBcode.
tbh I dont even always use the buttons. I find it quicker to type things like [b], [quote] or [img] etc
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tbh I dont even always use the buttons. I find it quicker to type things like [b], [quote] or [img] etc
That is also my mode of operation. With paws on the keyboard, it is more efficient to type [tt]blah, blah[/tt] than to stop using the keyboard, move the mouse pointer, left-click on the appropriate icon, etc.
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I too prefer the efficiency of the keyboard over mouse. That goes for command lines as well as editors.
On the other hand, I started out with 'ed' as my editor, and it is hard to think of anything more inefficient!
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That is also my mode of operation. With paws on the keyboard, it is more efficient to type [tt]blah, blah[/tt] than to stop using the keyboard, move the mouse pointer, left-click on the appropriate icon, etc.
Can I just confirm, you are a human not a cat, right?
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Can I just confirm, you are a human not a cat, right?
That is for me to know and you to ponder! :P
:b*cat:
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I would be terribly disappointed to find he weren't a cat.
It might be enough to make me run away to the petfood warehouse (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-35489215), and live a hard life foraging to survive...
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Can I just confirm, you are a human not a cat, right?
B*cat is our resident feline. We feed him Applaws (http://applaws.co.uk/) and he gets the odd bowl of cream if he's been extra good.
In return he keeps an eye on the forums and gets his claws out if anyone misbehaves.
He also has his own special icon which will automatically post to the forum if you type :b*cat:
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PS Burrakucat is Japanese for Black Cat
:b*cat: