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Broadband Related => Broadband Technology => Topic started by: dk544 on January 11, 2016, 01:56:48 PM
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So the other day BT (SONET was written on the side of the van) where installing new equipment on the poles at the bottom of my lane. Can anyone shed any light as to what this is for, FTTP possibly?
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Interesting ?? Not seen anything like that before ?? Are you in a FTTP area ...... either on a trial or otherwise ??
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Is that FTTDP / FTTRN ?
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Interesting ?? Not seen anything like that before ?? Are you in a FTTP area ...... either on a trial or otherwise ??
Not to the best of my knowledge but there really isn't a lot of information about what's going broadband wise in my area, all I get from the government website (http://www.online.detini.gov.uk/Broadband/Start.aspx (http://www.online.detini.gov.uk/Broadband/Start.aspx)) is that improvements "is estimated to be complete by 31 December 2015."
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Is that FTTDP / FTTRN ?
Possibly, there does seem to be one of these on the poles that are next to houses on my road, for example there are 2 more houses further down the road from me and the pole right beside those houses have this installed on it but the other poles in between do not.
ETA: FTTPrN seems to require a lot of power so I doubt its that as there is maybe 4 of these within 1/2 a mile.
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It looks like a rocket taking off. Perhaps the European Space Agency is involved.
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SDH & Optical Fibre Backhaul re .. 'Synchronous Optical Networking' (SONET)
http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/21cn_network.htm
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It looks like a rocket taking off. Perhaps the European Space Agency is involved.
Maybe ET is trying to phone home ;D
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SDH & Optical Fibre Backhaul re .. 'Synchronous Optical Networking' (SONET)
http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/21cn_network.htm
Well I don't know if this is what BT use to feed there cabinets but I do know there is no more cabinets to feed on my exchange. I am ~2800m from the cabinet that serves me and I am also one of the last houses on this road/line that can receive any connection at all, on average I get 11/1 sync. From what I understand from that article SDH would be used to split a backhaul line to different cabinets(?) in the area, but as I've mentioned before there are 4 of these new equipment within a half mile stretch of road all on the same line.
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SDH & Optical Fibre Backhaul re .. 'Synchronous Optical Networking' (SONET)
http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/21cn_network.htm
Definitely not.
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I should say that SONET http://www.sonetcl.com/ (http://www.sonetcl.com/) was the name of the company and not necessarly what they where installing.
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I should say that SONET http://www.sonetcl.com/ (http://www.sonetcl.com/) was the name of the company and not necessarly what they where installing.
It almost certainly was the company name.
While SONET is a name for a well-known type of telecom networking, in the UK it would normally be known as SDH. The SONET term would be restricted to the US and its close dependants, including Japan.
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I am fairly sure it is a pole mounted fibre splitter for FTTP. I have seen similar near me in rural Herefordshire which is having FTTP installed in some areas by BDUK/Fastershire project. Still waiting for one on the pole outside my house!
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That box looks likely to hold some form of fibre splicing trays.
That could make it one of:
- A splitter, for an FTTP PON
- A fibre DP
- A combined copper and fibre "joint" for FTTRN.
An example photo can be found on Mr Saffron's webpages:
http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/fibre-cornwall/
Pictures 10 and 11.
Mr Saffron calls it a "pole mounted fibre splitter", and the number of trays inside suggest it could be. However, the number of BFT tubes routed down the side suggest the box might be acting as a fibre DP (which is where BFT tubes would terminate normally) or a combined box.
ISPreview have featured an architectural diagram for FTTRN a number of times, looking like this:
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/2014-article-illustrations/fttrn_network_diagram_v1_ispreview_edited.gif
As Northern Ireland is going through it's second round of fibre installation, a lot of work is concentrating on extending the range of "fibre broadband", even where an FTTC cabinet has already been installed. We've seen a lot of use of the "all in one" cabinet so far. meanwhile Surrey is going through a mopping up process for the same "out of range" properties, but FTTP is being used there.
It wouldn't surprise me if @dk544 was being upgraded as part of the NI work, and could feasibly be seeing FTTP. It is also plausible that FTTRN is finally showing itself to be an alternative to the AIO cabinets, after the trials in Yorkshire a year ago.
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Still waiting for one on the pole outside my house!
It isn't likely to need to appear on every pole.
Every pole would need a manifold, up near the top, but the splitter would only be needed perhaps every 4 poles.
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When I first saw it I immediately thought FTTP, it's just frustrating that there is no real information on what is actually happening.Since I am in quite a rural area I am concerned how much the service will cost, anyone know what kind of prices BT charge for FTTP?
@WWWombat, it doesn't make much sense if it is a remote node as there are 4 of them within a half mile stretch of line but then again i'm cerntainly no expert, most likely FTTP or FTTDP, I just wish now that I had time to stop and chat with the guys installing it maybe they could have provided me with more information, never the less it is definitly an exciting development going from no internet ~3 years ago to this.
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I should say that SONET http://www.sonetcl.com/ (http://www.sonetcl.com/) was the name of the company and not necessarly what they where installing.
It almost certainly was the company name.
While SONET is a name for a well-known type of telecom networking, in the UK it would normally be known as SDH. The SONET term would be restricted to the US and its close dependants, including Japan.
Nor would it be deployed in the context shown.
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An example photo can be found on Mr Saffron's webpages:
http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/fibre-cornwall/
Pictures 10 and 11.
The poles in these picture look almost identical to what I have, I'll try to get some pictures of the top of the pole when I get home.
Edit: quoted the wrong thing.
Some more pictures of my pole if anyone is interested. http://imgur.com/a/xZwOG (http://imgur.com/a/xZwOG)
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@WWWombat, it doesn't make much sense if it is a remote node as there are 4 of them within a half mile stretch of line
Yeah - that sounds more likely to be FTTP. One single FTTRN node would cover that, in terms of length, though perhaps not in capacity.
How many homes and poles are in that stretch?
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Some more pictures of my pole if anyone is interested. http://imgur.com/a/xZwOG (http://imgur.com/a/xZwOG)
That looks like the infrastructure for a FTTP deployment, to me. :)
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Since I am in quite a rural area I am concerned how much the service will cost, anyone know what kind of prices BT charge for FTTP?
My understanding is that for native FTTP (i.e. not FTTPoD) the products available (40 Mbps DS / 2 Mbps US, 40 Mbps DS / 10 Mbps US and 80 Mbps DS / 20 Mbps US) are sold at exactly the same price as the FTTC products. :)
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My understanding is that for native FTTP (i.e. not FTTPoD) the products available (40 Mbps DS / 2 Mbps US, 40 Mbps DS / 10 Mbps US and 80 Mbps DS / 20 Mbps US) are sold at exactly the same price as the FTTC products. :)
My understanding too.
In addition, higher speed tiers are available, known as "Infinity 3" and "Infinity 4", at 200Mbps and 300Mbps - at higher price points obviously.
The only downside is that, even though the slower tiers have identical pricepoints to FTTC, very few retail ISPs bother to sell FTTP-based services at all. BT themselves are one seller, as is Zen. Plusnet will connect you, but as part of a trial rather than a normal part of their service.
Some more pictures of my pole if anyone is interested. http://imgur.com/a/xZwOG (http://imgur.com/a/xZwOG)
That looks like the infrastructure for a FTTP deployment, to me. :)
Ooops - I missed the update with the new pictures...
The sixth picture, where all three pole-top boxes are visible, gives the best view. The upper-left "thing" appears to be the usual bottle-shaped FTTP manifold to me.
As far as I can make out, the only bit of cable going into the green splitter comes from the manifold. It ought to have a yellow stripe, to indicate fibre ... so is there any other yellow-striped cable in the vicinity?
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The sixth picture, where all three pole-top boxes are visible, gives the best view. The upper-left "thing" appears to be the usual bottle-shaped FTTP manifold to me.
b*cat nods in agreement. :)
Look closely at the sixth picture. Isn't there a yellow stripe just visible on the right-hand side of the tubing which comes down from the fibre manifold? :-\ It looks as if the yellow stripe is almost hidden by being placed against the wood of the pole . . .
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There's more yellow round to the right. Chalk spray or yellow paint?
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How many homes and poles are in that stretch?
Well between the last pole with that equipment on it (20m from my house) and the pole shown in the photos' (10m from my house) there are 3 houses. If your counting the houses on the line coming from the cabinet, altogether 100+.
My understanding is that for native FTTP (i.e. not FTTPoD) the products available (40 Mbps DS / 2 Mbps US, 40 Mbps DS / 10 Mbps US and 80 Mbps DS / 20 Mbps US) are sold at exactly the same price as the FTTC products. :)
That makes me happy :)
... so is there any other yellow-striped cable in the vicinity?
There's more yellow round to the right. Chalk spray or yellow paint?
I'll have to take another look tommorow as its dark out now.
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Another question you guys might be able to help me with, if it is FTTP does come directly from the exchange or from the cabinet?
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If there's existing FTTC ...... from the Cab.
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If there's existing FTTC ...... from the Cab.
Yeah there is. Thats what I currently have (even if it is only 11 Mbps DS 1 Mbps US)
The reason I asked is that I seen BT running some fibre a few weeks ago at a crossroads where the cable disappears under ground for a few meters.
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Just to go back to the original question ..... I've just found documentation that conclusively states these are 'Pole Mounted Enclosures' for FTTP Brownfield.
It was never in any doubt. :)
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What exchange / area are you. ?
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What exchange / area are you. ?
Pomeroy (NIPY)
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Look closely at the sixth picture. Isn't there a yellow stripe just visible on the right-hand side of the tubing which comes down from the fibre manifold? :-\ It looks as if the yellow stripe is almost hidden by being placed against the wood of the pole . . .
If that's a yellow stripe, it looks about as distinct as the "stripe" in the 2nd and 4th pictures, on the distribution cable coming into the pole from the left, and leading down the pole.
Yet *that* cable looks more like pre-existing copper, going into the bullet. And on the other hand, perhaps the stripe looks, in pictures 1 and 6, like a separate cable into the DP.
I'm really not confident I'm seeing any distinct yellow stripe anywhere. I'm happy for the OP to report results in daylight instead.
Digital cameras, eh? They can be good at capturing *something* in dim light, but quite what the "something" is can be anyone's guess.
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... that conclusively states these are 'Pole Mounted Enclosures' for FTTP Brownfield.
so we just need to figure what it is enclosing ;)
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How many homes and poles are in that stretch?
Well between the last pole with that equipment on it (20m from my house) and the pole shown in the photos' (10m from my house) there are 3 houses. If your counting the houses on the line coming from the cabinet, altogether 100+.
I meant the number of homes covered between the 4 different enclosures (you mentioned half a mile apart).
I'm guessing that back near the cabinet, some of those houses can get FTTC services, and won't need FTTP. Presumably the cabinet is some distance off.
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If there's existing FTTC ...... from the Cab.
I thought that FTTP came via the local fibre node - not the FTTC cabinet which I understood was not used with FTTP (though most FTTC cabs are near a fibre node)
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Sorry, if the whole Exchange area is fully FTTP, then it will, it's the 'on demand' that will utilise FTTC.
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Definitely a yellow stripe http://imgur.com/a/xZwOG (http://imgur.com/a/xZwOG) ;D
I meant the number of homes covered between the 4 different enclosures (you mentioned half a mile apart).
There are about 10 house.
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The new photos add more detail yet again, as I can now see that there are 3 cables leading down into the fibre enclosure.
Looking back up at the top of the pole, in some of the earlier photos, I can now see that the thicker of the three goes to the manifold. You'd expect this to be thicker, as it holds the empty BFT tubes for blowing fibres to the home.
The two thinner cables now spring to attention more, and seem to be routed off left and right, just above the manifold, but below the copper, to the previous and next poles. Looking closing at the ways the poles connect (ie paying proper attention), you can see both the thick copper distribution cable and the thin fibre cable running in parallel.
What I can't see, though, is any indication of cables going to individual premises from the top of the pole.
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Sorry, if the whole Exchange area is fully FTTP, then it will, it's the 'on demand' that will utilise FTTC.
I've got to say that I though FTTP-on-demand would be wired into the aggregation node too, just like regular FTTP. What FTTC brings to the game is the knowledge that an aggregation node exists somewhere nearby, because it is feeding the FTTC cabinet too.
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...an aggregation node exists somewhere nearby, because it is feeding the FTTC cabinet too.
What does this aggregation node look like?
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its a rocket to attack virgin media cabinets at distance :D
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...an aggregation node exists somewhere nearby, because it is feeding the FTTC cabinet too.
What does this aggregation node look like?
I believe that there is an image of one on Saffy's site (http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/) but I can't easily put my paws upon it.
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...an aggregation node exists somewhere nearby, because it is feeding the FTTC cabinet too.
What does this aggregation node look like?
I believe that there is an image of one on Saffy's site (http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/) but I can't easily put my paws upon it.
There is a picture here (http://www.thinkbroadband.com/images/guides/fibre/fibre-aggregation-node-medium.jpg) - I think they are normally underground but can be pole mounted.
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There is a picture here (http://www.thinkbroadband.com/images/guides/fibre/fibre-aggregation-node-medium.jpg) - I think they are normally underground but can be pole mounted.
That will do nicely, thank you. :) I will go as far as saying that in excess of 99% of the time, aggregation nodes will be located in underground chambers.
Come to think of it, I have a photograph (stashed away in the "what not") that Walter took, when the initial deployment was being made in Ewhurst, Surrey.
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...an aggregation node exists somewhere nearby, because it is feeding the FTTC cabinet too.
What does this aggregation node look like?
More pictures here, which help slightly...
http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/fibre-milton-keynes/
The box on the left in picture 1, with its cover on, looks just like an aggregation node - to be sited in an underground jointbox. However, once it has been opened (in pictures 2-10), we find it is actually the underground variant of the splitter node (with 4 splitters with room for 4 splitter devices, but only 1 is fitted).
The aggregation node has a similar internal layout to the splitter node - two separate racks of splice trays - but the actual trays differ; they're almost certainly all beige. The image labelled "img_4374" gives you a hint of just how similar the two look.
This old post (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,15121.msg281715.html#msg281715) has instruction manuals for more of the nodes (look at the quote section near the end of the post). The pictures can give an idea, but the text is probably way over the top for what you're asking...
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There is a picture here (http://www.thinkbroadband.com/images/guides/fibre/fibre-aggregation-node-medium.jpg) - I think they are normally underground but can be pole mounted.
Hmm I've seen something similar (round and grey) at the side of the road just a bit away from me. I'll have to take a closer look tomorrow.
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Hmm I've seen something similar (round and grey) at the side of the road just a bit away from me. I'll have to take a closer look tomorrow.
And then provide us with the (obligatory) photograph! ;)
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There is a picture here (http://www.thinkbroadband.com/images/guides/fibre/fibre-aggregation-node-medium.jpg) - I think they are normally underground but can be pole mounted.
I think that's a picture of the same node as in my first link. The trays inside are definitely laid out for a splitter node - the layouts are shown explicitly in the instruction manuals in my second link, and the photos show where the blocks of coloured trays sit.
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... that conclusively states these are 'Pole Mounted Enclosures' for FTTP Brownfield.
so we just need to figure what it is enclosing ;)
As FTTP is not my 'game', I'm guessing just a simple fibre joint ?? Here's a list of pole-mounted fibre gear ......
Pole Mounted Fibre
Distribution Point (12 end users) Distributes 12 fibres to 12 end users via blown fibre bundle.
Pole Mounted Fibre
Distribution Point (32 end users) Distributes 32 fibres to 32 end users via blown fibre bundle.
Pole Mounted Primary
Splitter Node (32-way dual split network) Provides 1st level of split on 32-way dual split network.
Pole Mounted Splitter
Provides 2nd level of split on a dual split network.
Pole Mounted Transition
Provides joint between underground and overhead
Blown Fibre Drop Tube Manifold
Distributes up to 12 single drop tubes from one 7-tube or 12-tube Blown Fibre cable
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Turns out it wasn't all that similar.
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At a first glance, I thought it was a galvanised pressed-steel dust-bin! :D
To be honest, I have no idea what that could be. Does the top come off it?
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If that is part of Openreachs' street-furniture, I can honestly say it's the first time I've seen anything like it ???
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Is that not some old SCP street pillar?
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Not like any SCP I've ever seen before, but it may be ?? The body would have to be 're-moveable' as well as the lid if it was, to enable access to the wires. Just lifting the lid would not be suffice. :)
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Is that not some old SCP street pillar?
My memory (from the 1950s, in the London suburbs) is of Primary Cross-Connection Points (cabinets) leading to Secondary Cross-Connection Points (cabinets) leading to Tertiary Cross-Connection Points (pillars, manufactured out of some sort of asbestos cement-like material) at the foot of each pole. The pillars were of a smaller diameter and taller in height then the item so pictured.
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They're the only legacy ones I know of, Mr Cat. They are completely obsolete now on the patches I frequent, due to the fact they were constructed mainly of asbestos ...... I have seen a few tin-type material SCP's in the past though.
Most SCP's were either re-shelled, or re-housed in the underground box 'feeding' it.
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b*cat nods to acknowledge the information in B*Sheep's post. :)
The particular area of the London suburbs, upon which my memories are based, were swept away in the 1960s -- supposedly in the name of post-World War 2 "slum clearance" (to quote the Government of the day) -- and was replaced by tower-blocks, constructed with high-alumina cement, which, within just a few years, became ghettos/slums in their own right in which nobody wished to live. :no:
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Is that not some old SCP street pillar?
Well it's certainly not old as it has only appeared within the last ~6 months.
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It sort of reminds me of the business end of an ICBM silo . . . :-\
If you remove the top, to take a look inside, be prepared for a sudden launch! ;)
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Mr Sulu, scan the area for temporal anomalies.
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As FTTP is not my 'game', I'm guessing just a simple fibre joint ?? Here's a list of pole-mounted fibre gear ......
Pole Mounted Fibre
Distribution Point (12 end users) Distributes 12 fibres to 12 end users via blown fibre bundle.
Pole Mounted Fibre
Distribution Point (32 end users) Distributes 32 fibres to 32 end users via blown fibre bundle.
Pole Mounted Primary
Splitter Node (32-way dual split network) Provides 1st level of split on 32-way dual split network.
Pole Mounted Splitter
Provides 2nd level of split on a dual split network.
Pole Mounted Transition
Provides joint between underground and overhead
Blown Fibre Drop Tube Manifold
Distributes up to 12 single drop tubes from one 7-tube or 12-tube Blown Fibre cable
I didn't realise there were quite so many options available to BT. The design seems to have snuck out, without any specific architecture mentioning them.
Your post triggered yet another online search (I'm a glutton for useless info), and I found this:
http://www.eda.org.uk/clientUpload/downloadDocument/document/PRYSMIAN%20CABLES%20-%20TONY%20VOSE%20-%20LEEDS%20FORUM.pdf
the most interesting part comes from page 16, and is attached as an image below.
Page 39 on the same document is also interesting. While it doesn't tell us those enclosures are for BT, the wording ("Fibre on Demand", "FoD", "FTTP Brownfield" and "FTTP New Sites") really matches up with BT lingo.
Are these enclosure styles also in use, as well as the rounder bullet-style types from Tyco?
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Good find W3. Regarding your question, I wouldn't know, due to not being involved in FTTP ..... on demand or otherwise. I can view lots of text-based material on FTTP, but hardly any pictures.
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DETI are notoriously bad at giving out specific information... but when you're persistent enough they'll tell you what they know.
FTTP was indicated for certain areas in Northern Ireland as infill after the first two waves of fibre rollout were complete This new scheme is deploying FTTP only to certain areas up until 2017. Looks like you're one of the first to benefit from that. :)
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The results are in. FTTP it is ;D
Now I just need to figure out how to order it.
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Good for you - slightly jealous.
On the other hand if you order FTTP now, you might actually get it by Christmas ;D ;) :P
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Who is your current ISP?
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Who is your current ISP?
BT
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So how fast do you want to go? Infinity 4 is 300/20
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So I just rang up BT through their normal sales number, oh how I forgot how good this experience can be, so after being on the phone with them for close to 40 mins getting passed around in circles from one department to the next only for them to tell me that I cannot receive any broadband service at all (currently on their faster broadband package @11 DS 1 UP). Might be a while before I actually get it. Got to love BT though, spend lots of money installing the infrastructure but don't allow people to buy the service, genius.
I have a number of a guy that works in BT Belfast, he helped get us on to the 'Fater Broadband' package a few years ago, so I call him up tomorrow and see if he can help.
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Try the FTTP team 0800 587 4787
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1st of march, BT Infinity 4 300Mbps DS 20Mbps US. ;D
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1st of march, BT Infinity 4 300Mbps DS 20Mbps US. ;D
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:yay:
Just need some photos of the inside of the box on the pole when they come to splice you on. :whistle:
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That's awesome news mate. Like others I'm jealous! :)
I noticed that the FTTC speeds were very low.
I wonder if there is any priority when BT pick these places to upgrade to FTTP. Are they picking people with low speed FTTC to upgrade first?
Also, am I reading this thread correctly, BT added something to the pole and it looked like they were installing G.fast type of technology i.e. fibre to the pole. Then it turns out they are making full FTTP?
I wonder in some areas when they put up this pole technology will they auto offer FTTP to some people, and G.fast FTTC to others?
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I wonder if there is any priority when BT pick these places to upgrade to FTTP. Are they picking people with low speed FTTC to upgrade first?
Also, am I reading this thread correctly, BT added something to the pole and it looked like they were installing G.fast type of technology i.e. fibre to the pole. Then it turns out they are making full FTTP?
I wonder in some areas when they put up this pole technology will they auto offer FTTP to some people, and G.fast FTTC to others?
Most FTTP is going to new build properties and/or FTTP only areas.
Overbuilding FTTC with FTTP is relatively rare.
I suspect there are several things in play:
a) dk544 is in a BDUK area and his current FTTC speeds won't count towards the coverage target;
b) Employing vectoring wouldn't have have helped enough;
c) G.Fast is not yet commercially available from Openreach - its still in the trial phase; and
d) BT are under contractual deadlines to increase 'super-fast' availability
I suspect even when G.Fast is available, its going to need a certain population density/take-up within a certain distance from the cabinet/g.fast node to make it viable. I'm guessing dk544 would fail on this count as well.
Hence, more rural areas - with low population densities and long lines may see FTTP may be preferred as a more economic solution together with the associated reliability/maintenance savings - when the alternatives are a new FTTC cab (which would also need power) or G.fast which make more sense where there are more potential customers.
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Good points.
Is there any way we can check how 'full' a cabinet is? As a percentage. It would be interesting to see a map of how popular fibre connections are to cabinets then we'll have a more educated guess as to how popular fibre is around our areas.
Sorry for derailing the thread a bit here :-[
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In this case, the OP is in Northern Ireland.
They had a phase of deploying FTTC that finished a long time ago, but NI has different geo-demo-graphics ... they have considerably longer D-sides than England, so less homes qualify as "superfast". Where England can translate 93% fibre into 89% superfast, NI translates 95% fibre into only 76% superfast.
This second phase in NI is more about converting those with FTTC, but still a long line, into proper superfast properties. A lot are being done with all-in-one cabs (combined PCP and DSLAM), added into long circuits. Some get FTTP - presumably for cost, density, or distance reasons.
We'll see more of this in SEP phases in England, but for now the 90% targets can be hit with just standard PCP upgrades, combined with adding DSLAMs for EO lines.
However, one county is getting FTTP infill in the way you think - Surrey. But that is because their first phase was over-funded to reach 99.7%, and they are chasing stragglers now.
As for the pole-mounted box...
Right now, it looks to be infrastructure for FTTP only.
Some architectural diagrams have surfaced that show a similar box in use for FTTRN - so that was plausible, but less likely. I don't think an FTTRN box has been sighted in the wild yet, apart from trials, let alone the pole-mounted adjunct - FTTRN is, at best, still on trial, and at worst, pushing up the daisies. Things have gone very quiet.
Having seen the box pictured for both FTTP and FTTRN architectures, it isn't a huge leap to believe that they could be used for G.Fast deployments too - which will need similar jointing as FTTRN, deep in the network. Again, not confirmed in the wild, and only in small trial areas anyway. A long way off...
Note also that these boxes are only going to be seen with aerial distribution of fibre - ie the fibre itself runs pole-pole-pole. If the distribution runs underground, and only the final drop to homes is from the pole, then the boxes will be in the underground chambers, and look entirely different.
No way to tell how full the cab is, apart from a costing an Openreach engineer when he's at the PCP. Then he can tell from the number of tie pairs being used.
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Just need some photos of the inside of the box on the pole when they come to splice you on.
Will try my best. Anything in particular to look out for?
I noticed that the FTTC speeds were very low.
I wonder if there is any priority when BT pick these places to upgrade to FTTP. Are they picking people with low speed FTTC to upgrade first?
I live ~2.7 km from the cabinet so these speed are actually quite decent, also I am one of the last house on my road that can get any connection (according to BT anyway) so there are a lot of house still without an internet connection in my area.
I don't know how the decision was made to upgrade our area to FTTP, it kind of came out of the blue, but I do know that a lot of people in my area where complaining that they couldn't get any broadband connection before and even after FTTC was installed and the local councillor has been pushing this issue with the respective authorities for quite sometime, maybe that was a factor (were also getting a new mobile phone mast in the area which is long overdue as mobile signal is patchy at best).
What ever the reason I'm happy that it has been installed. :)
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Just need some photos of the inside of the box on the pole when they come to splice you on.
Will try my best. Anything in particular to look out for?
Nah. I'm just nosy, and always on the lookout for anything new :graduate:
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Nah. I'm just nosy, and always on the lookout for anything new :graduate:
It could be the influence of the curious kitteh that you carry around on your back . . . ;)
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Unfortunately, I only get to scrabble around close to the ground. Kitteh gets sent off to do exciting things, zipping over fences or up poles. The more agile stuff ;)
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Unfortunately, I only get to scrabble around close to the ground. Kitteh gets sent off to do exciting things, zipping over fences or up poles. The more agile stuff ;)
That reads as if it is a perfect partnership! :D
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Whats very interesting is this exact same equipment has been installed all along the Cloghfin Rd, Omagh, Co Tyrone, BT79 9EQ for at least 12 months already, one is on the pole outside the Community Centre at number 138 Cloghfin Rd but the dsl checker shows it's actually doing nothing for them (as per attachment).
When I first saw these a breakout boxes I really did think the extremely high number every 5 or 6 poles would have meant within 6 months all these properties would get native FTTP but it would appear not.
cheers
flipdee
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Maybe they haven't got round to attaching the Remote Node Type DSLAMS?
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@dk544 that's quite a bill (for one month?)
( Why is it that users think that Andrews & Arnold are expensive?
-mustn't wander off topic, take off into another thread if desired )
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That's BT Infinity 4, 300/20, so pretty cheap.
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Whats very interesting is this exact same equipment has been installed all along the Cloghfin Rd, Omagh, Co Tyrone, BT79 9EQ for at least 12 months already, one is on the pole outside the Community Centre at number 138 Cloghfin Rd but the dsl checker shows it's actually doing nothing for them (as per attachment).
When I first saw these a breakout boxes I really did think the extremely high number every 5 or 6 poles would have meant within 6 months all these properties would get native FTTP but it would appear not.
cheers
flipdee
Hi flipdee ...... either yours or someone else's address is on that piccie, mate. Just a heads-up in case you wish to edit it ?? :)
Edit - Doh, forget it ..... just read the bl00dy thing properly. its the community centre. :blush:
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Here's what I found when I was researching. I am in a small community over a mile from the FTTC so at best I get 8/1. I would love to drum up local support for this and, if necessary, try to get folks to contribute to the cost.
Any ideas to whom we can request this kit?
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2015/02/bt-fttrn-superfast-broadband-tech-trial-goes-live-north-yorkshire.html
David
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I think you want to start with this page, and the FAQ's on "community fibre partnerships". That suggests starting with getting confirmation that you won't be covered by anything in the coming council rollout, and gives you contact details.
http://www.superfast-openreach.co.uk/the-big-build/Fibre-roll-out.aspx
I'm not sure that FTTRN will be an available option right now. BT were originally heading for FTTRN in North Yorkshire in quite a big way for phase 2 ... and it doesn't appear to have materialised. The council reports all show that the cost of power is too much ... and we've heard nothing about progress on improving this. Nothing at all since that trial went live a year ago.
What sounded promising, got delayed for a year due to power. A year later, and we hear nothing - except that BT was, by then, rather consumed with G.fast.
History
It started with things like this:
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/4315931-fttrn-pilot-in-leyburn-north-yorkshire.html
and went on to
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/4372811-progress-report-on-superfast-north-yorkshire-november-2014.html
Went live
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/4380813-fttrn-now-live-in-north-yorkshire-probably.html
And turned into this:
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/4433021-superfast-north-yorkshire-progress-report.html
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Interesting and disappointing! Thanks for the comprehensive update though. Guess it's 8Mb for the foreseeable :'(
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I've seen a few of these pole mounted cabinet things recently on a local back road. I too wonder if they are for FTTP. Might be worth trying to find out.
Anyway a message to the OP. I too have ordered FTTP however for my installation they need to dig up and install ducting in the village green where I live. There is a thread in the FTTC/FTTP bit of this forum where I am sharing my experiences of the process. If you like you're more than welcome to post in there too if you like :)
We will have to see if they get you connected on time and what the process is like for you. I've been waiting since mid november which is when we placed the order. Also it would be good to compare notes when we are both connected to see if there is any difference between us in terms of actual reliability and how often we get what we pay for. We've gone for 330/20 as I'm hungry for data :D
Would it be commentators curse to rhetorically ask if this a new leaf in the book of BT? FTTP for rural folk? ;D
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~5 years ago no internet now FTTP, better internet than most towns, what is the world coming to :o.
Anyway a message to the OP. I too have ordered FTTP however for my installation they need to dig up and install ducting in the village green where I live.
Well they only have to run the fibre from the pole at the bottom of my garden to the house, so hopefully no delays :fingers:.
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I wonder how BT decide when to let people order FTTP if they still have to dig things up?
If I see a box on a pole could I reasonably expect that someone will be offered FTTP in the area?
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I wonder how BT decide when to let people order FTTP if they still have to dig things up?
If I see a box on a pole could I reasonably expect that someone will be offered FTTP in the area?
My exchange won that race to infinity thing a while back so even though one half of the village is off another exchange and part of the intervention area we aren't. We're a commercial area. It has taken it's time but quite a few of the properties in Capel have FTTP IIRC. I certainly don't recall seeing any VDSL cabs last time I passed through.
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My exchange won that race to infinity thing a while back so even though one half of the village is off another exchange and part of the intervention area we aren't. We're a commercial area. It has taken it's time but quite a few of the properties in Capel have FTTP IIRC. I certainly don't recall seeing any VDSL cabs last time I passed through.
Of the 9 cabs in Capel, it looks like 4 are FTTC and 5 are FTTP..
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It seems on the face of it like it seems potluck if they take an interest in the area.
Though its always a good sign when they are willing to make FTTP work. It shows they haven't abandoned the FTTP idea!
I was reading a post by someone else and they was saying if VM was to put fibre pipes down the ducts they have the cables in, they could also offer full FTTP too, as well as their cable packages.
I hope its good times as we progress along!
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*snip*
I was reading a post by someone else and they was saying if VM was to put fibre pipes down the ducts they have the cables in, they could also offer full FTTP too, as well as their cable packages.
*snip*
I believe that was Walter Bowdon.
As for Capel the main part of the village is FTTP I believe and it's the outlying cabs in other places served by the exchange that are VDSL. Beare Green being such a place.
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Its finally here the installation went pretty smooth. I didn't get any pics of the installation process, but heres some speedtest results for you guys to drool over ;). (faster than 99% of GB, ah yeah!)
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Very nice speeds! I'm a little disappointed to see the ping is not that much better, I would hope to see single figures. I use my line 99% of the time for gaming and would order ftth if I had the chance purely for lower ping and jitter.
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Those are great speeds! :)
I've long advocated eventual full FTTP, not for speeds. But more for stability. It is the future.
I just wish ISP's would get the rest of us to that point asap.
By the way, when you download a file, are you able to get your full download speed, or is it capped/restricted by the download server your getting the file from?
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... for lower ping and jitter.
The ping is fine, the jitter is non existent even when downloading/streaming videos/playing games (all at the same time).
By the way, when you download a file, are you able to get your full download speed, or is it capped/restricted by the download server your getting the file from?
Well I downloaded Battlefield 4 the download didn't go above 20MB/S, steam tops out around 30MB/S.
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Bowdon wrote:
>I've long advocated eventual full FTTP, not for speeds. But more for stability. It is the future.
>I just wish ISP's would get the rest of us to that point asap.
Absolutely! You're so right. It's time to stop messing about with yet more wasteful, delaying projects and simply concentrate on getting to the point we know we have to reach anyway.
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Very nice speeds! I'm a little disappointed to see the ping is not that much better, I would hope to see single figures. I use my line 99% of the time for gaming and would order ftth if I had the chance purely for lower ping and jitter.
The user is in Northern Ireland (if I remember correctly). Pings to GB don't usually go that much lower around here. :)
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... for lower ping and jitter.
The ping is fine, the jitter is non existent even when downloading/streaming videos/playing games (all at the same time).
By the way, when you download a file, are you able to get your full download speed, or is it capped/restricted by the download server your getting the file from?
Well I downloaded Battlefield 4 the download didn't go above 20MB/S, steam tops out around 30MB/S.
Glad to see you have your FTTH. Still waiting for OR/contractors to start digging!
As for download speeds are you downloading to a single hard drive, RAID array or an SSD? I did some maths a few weeks ago and I know from testing my RAID5 array can write at around 170Mbps so downloading to that would be my limiting factor. I can write to an SSD a lot faster though. When I get mine I shall also do some tests.
Thinking of that I might ask someone I know from B4RNland if they'd be willing to find a few people to host a file for a torrent of something. Will have to look into that. Cracking speeds though :)
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I think you may be getting megabits and megabytes mixed up in you calculations, even a single 7200 rpm drive will handle 500Mbps download.