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Broadband Related => Broadband Technology => Topic started by: Weaver on December 22, 2015, 04:16:05 PM

Title: SNRM tweaking
Post by: Weaver on December 22, 2015, 04:16:05 PM
Could anyone tell me if they have any experience of SNRM tweaking and on what device? What level has been successful for you?
Title: Re: SNRM tweaking
Post by: burakkucat on December 22, 2015, 04:36:39 PM
I have done so on Broadcom based devices (Huawei HG610, HG612 & HG622).

The rule I have followed is to monitor the daily swing in DS SNRM for a week (or even a month) and then tweak by the value that will allow there to still be a 3 dB SNRM at the lowest point of the 24hour cycle.
Title: Re: SNRM tweaking
Post by: Weaver on December 22, 2015, 05:08:56 PM
In that case then starting with a target SNRM of 6 or 7 dB and then at least trying 3 dB should be reasonable?

One thing that attracted me to Billion modems is the possibility of SNRM tweaking. This would only be relevant if the 21CN standard 3 dB profile were not usable but something in between 3 and 6 turned out to be of some value. (I don't know if an intermediate value is even sensible. Half a bit?)
Title: Re: SNRM tweaking
Post by: burakkucat on December 22, 2015, 05:26:43 PM
In that case then starting with a target SNRM of 6 or 7 dB and then at least trying 3 dB should be reasonable?

It would, indeed, be a reasonable experiment.

When I was using an HG612 on my ADSL2 line, I actually saw the SNRM go negative and the device held on all the way down to -1.9 dB. It was only at -2.0 dB DS SNRM that it finally let go and re-synchronised back at a 6 dB DS SNRM level.
Title: Re: SNRM tweaking
Post by: Black Sheep on December 22, 2015, 05:31:54 PM
Didn't Konrado have some kind of similar success, Mr Cat ??
Title: Re: SNRM tweaking
Post by: burakkucat on December 22, 2015, 05:44:52 PM
Didn't Konrado have some kind of similar success, Mr Cat ??

Yes, he did. I believe he set his target SNRM to a fraction of 1 dB, on one occasion. Being an xDSL service in Poland, we were really uncertain what would have happened but, if I remember correctly, his circuit was very well behaved and remained stable with an essentially non-existent SNRM.
Title: Re: SNRM tweaking
Post by: Black Sheep on December 22, 2015, 05:51:58 PM
Thanks, BC ...... can you remember his DS attenuation for comparison purposes ??
Title: Re: SNRM tweaking
Post by: burakkucat on December 22, 2015, 06:13:06 PM
Thanks, BC ...... can you remember his DS attenuation for comparison purposes ??

Unfortunately not. But I have a vague feeling that it did not "indicate" a line of short length . . .  :-\
Title: Re: SNRM tweaking
Post by: konrado5 on December 22, 2015, 06:49:00 PM
My attenuation at this moment on Netgear DGND3700v2 is 23.5/15.5 dB. At this moment I have SNR margin ~4 dB and the same synchronization since 4 months. But upstream SNR margin is consistently deteriorating. On the first month I have ~6 dB, now I have ~2.5 dB. On the first month almost 0 CRC errors on weeks, now I have about 60 000 CRC errors per 12 hours.

Best regards
konrado5
Title: Re: SNRM tweaking
Post by: konrado5 on December 22, 2015, 06:54:11 PM
Weaver:
Following there are my old posts about tweaking SNR margin.
http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,13884.0.html
http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,13750.0.html
http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?topic=13775
Title: Re: SNRM tweaking
Post by: Weaver on December 22, 2015, 06:56:09 PM
Indeed I remember Netgear modem routers showing negative SNRM (as some huge wrapped-round number).