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Broadband Related => Broadband Hardware => Topic started by: noddy on October 31, 2015, 07:59:08 AM
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Hi been having a run of problems with my trusty 2wire routers ( rebooting when I try to stream tv ) tried new power supply and no luck , the only one that seems to still be working is my old DG834GT but can't be sure it's going to last for ever . I'm on a longline att 57 and was wondering which of the newer routers would fit the bill ? with out spending a fortune cheers :fingers:
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1. Could try the Netgear DG834v3 still to be found on eBay. Very good performer on extremely long lines (63dB d/s attn).
2. Could try the DLink DSL-320B _modem_, that is, in modem-only mode. It can be a router too, but is said to be seriously crap + buggy if used as a router, so use it in modem-only-mode, as preconfigured from the AAISP shop.
http://aa.net.uk/broadband-accessories.html
Works with any normal ISP. Good on extremely long lines.
You will of course need a router of your choice to go with a modem.
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I would suggest that whatever device you choose, make sure it is one with a Broadcom chipset.
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I've not checked your posting history and so apols if I'm missing anything but unless there is a reason to exclude the possibility of getting FTTC in the fullness of time, you may wish to ensure you get a VDSL2 compatible router. :)
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Warning: in that case, you should ignore my earlier post as those devices don't speak VDSL2. I just picked kit that is exceptionally good on an extremely long line, assuming you were an ADSL or ADSL2 user.
If you may need VDSL2 later on, it might be worth taking a look at
* ZyXEL VMG1312-B - a router that speaks VDSL2 and ADSL, also does wireless LAN too. I have not tested one of these devices yet, so ask on the forum. This box can, I believe, also be a modem-only device too. So a single box solution for xDSL (or two box solution if you prefer to use a different router.) available from http://aa.net.uk/broadband-accessories.html
* the Draytek Vigor 130 - a modem, not a router. So you will need an appropriate router of your choice. Speaks VDSL2 and ADSL/ADSL2, so you can use it on an FTTC line as well as traditional ADSLx.
I have one, not given it proper testing yet, it may be slower than the DLink DSL-320B on ADSL on my ultra-long line, jury still out though, as it may be that it takes more time for BT DLM to adjust.
(Note : 1. Speaks PPPoA over the line, which is a very excellent thing. (Advantage - efficiency: faster and cheaper). Draytek devices are unique amongst DSL modems in this respect. 2. Allows full 1500-byte MTU / MRU, even on BT 20CN. Advantage: no risk of incompatibilities with stupid servers. Btw Your router also needs to support 1508 byte PPPoE frames if you are to be able to use this excellent feature. Also, the modem needs to be on the latest firmware.)
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thanks for the info so far any more options gratefully accepted :)
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1. Could try the Netgear DG834v3 still to be found on eBay. Very good performer on extremely long lines (63dB d/s attn).
2. Could try the DLink DSL-320B _modem_, that is, in modem-only mode. It can be a router too, but is said to be seriously crap + buggy if used as a router, so use it in modem-only-mode, as preconfigured from the AAISP shop.
http://aa.net.uk/broadband-accessories.html
Works with any normal ISP. Good on extremely long lines.
You will of course need a router of your choice to go with a modem.
sorry to bring up an old posting but I'm seriously thinking of trying this option is it straight forward to set up always had combined routers up till now cheers
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I’m not sure if it’s helpful to you but if it is in my spare parts box ‘which may be useful someday’ I have a Thompson TG585 v7 which I believe has a BCM6338 chipset. It’s branded as a BeBox but I’m sure it could be re-flashed.
If you are interested PM me your name & address and I’ll box it up and post it to you providing you cover the cost of the postage with a donation to Kitz.
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thanks for the offer still going through my options ;)
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The Dlink modems are literally zero-setup if you get them preconfigured from the AAISP shop (see earlier post in this thread). You simply plug them in and that's it, nothing to do. I have three of them going all the time, plus a mountain of spares, in case of lightning strikes. (BTW: Big lightning display visible to the south of here last night, on the mainland and over the Small Isles.)
You will then _also_ need any Ethernet firewall/router that speaks PPPoE, and there are lots of good ones to choose from. The DLink is _not usuable as a router_ even if reconfigured, because of security probs, crap software. So it is (to cut a long story short) _just a modem_, and on its own it can't do the whole job, so this means a two-box solution, but it's very cheap and is superb if you have a long ADSL line. (Not for FTTC users.)
Ask for help about accompanying router choice if this is the way you want to go.
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Right got that :) wonder if any of my router collection would be any good ? 2x 2700hgv's, Billion 7800n , 2x dg834gt's ( but think they are both on the way out ) or are there ones better suited for this job ? we were luck up here heard the thunder and only the odd flash out at sea :)
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To use a separate modem and router configuration, the router would need to have an EWAN port (or a LAN port that could be reconfigured as an EWAN port).
To use the 2Wire devices as an example of a separate router, the 2700HGV would be a "no" but the 2701HGV-C would be a "yes". The former does not have a EWAN port, the latter does.
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so the 7800n would be the only possible one , or are there others that would do a better job ?
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The 7800N should work just fine - I have read many reports of people using it in this manner with good success.
However, afore you invest too much time with it, I would just check the wireless still works (if you are planning on using that part of its functionality). After mine had been in a drawer for a year or so, I came across reports of the wifi cards failing, so I checked mine and lo and behold it had died. (a shameful piece of "engineering" causes this).
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The 7800N should work just fine - I have read many reports of people using it in this manner with good success.
However, afore you invest too much time with it, I would just check the wireless still works (if you are planning on using that part of its functionality). After mine had been in a drawer for a year or so, I came across reports of the wifi cards failing, so I checked mine and lo and behold it had died. (a shameful piece of "engineering" causes this).
will do cheers
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back again ;) if I use the DLINK DSL-320B is there a way to get adsl stats ?
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I don't have the answer to that, someone will know though.
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There's a thread here on how to get the stats from the DLINK DSL-320B (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?topic=17065.0)
not sure if it works with any of the stats programs. it's certainly not listed on either DslStats or HG612_stats. sometimes choosing a similar modem works but that would depend on the chipset used.
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Neither of those programs support the DSL-320B. I don't know if Routerstats does, although it hasn't been updated for quite a long time.
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got one ordered will be an interesting experiment :fingers:
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The DLINK DSL-320B is on it's way :) and I'm going to try the Billion 7800n first do I set it up as PPPoE EWAN ?
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Sounds right. If it speaks PPPoE then there's nothing more to do. Nothing to configure in the modem. ISP-specific login runes go into the router.
If you have an extremely long line, then it's worth considering applying Burakkucat's tip in the modem config: set the modem to ADSL2-only mode, as opposed to "auto" or ADSL2+. (Assuming you're on ADSL2 or ADSL2+, that is. If you are on ADSL1, then it might be worth setting the modem to ADSL1, rather than "auto".) Should really measure performance and compare.
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Thanks for that this is just ADSL 1 so I'll do that ( think I need to donate to the site for all this help )
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in fact looking at sam knows there's not much available :( just adsl and adsl max
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ADSL Max is just ordinary ADSL with variable speeds offered. I assume all ADSL owners are on ADSL Max (unless they have chosen otherwise).
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Sorry if I'm being slow on this but won't the modem need the isp login details ?
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There are two ways you can do this:
1. Use the DSL-320B as a full modem (in which case the answer to your question is Yes)
2. Use the DSL-320B in bridge mode (in which case you need a router with a EWAN port, and the ISP login details are in the router).
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Thank you :) next question :-[ what are the + & - of the two options ? bearing in mind I wanted to use 7800n as a wireless router
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or throwing in another suggestion which expands on weavers.
The ZyXEL VMG1312-B10D is a relatively new modem in the UK and wasn't available when you first asked your question. It has an updated BCM chipset, works out of the box with DSLstats and so far is proving very good on long vdsl lines.
It seems to work well on a long adsl line for one of our members. Also b*cat picked one up on Thurs from ebay and so far is pleased with it on his moderately long (46db) line.
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Do _not_ use Roseway's option 1 - configuring the DLink as a router, as they are horrible, with bugs dangerous security problems according to various sources. (On an earlier thread? Certainly according to RevK who has warned against this kind of use repeatedly.)
But if you configure the DLink as a straight PPPoE modem as you should (supplied safely configured when bought from the AAISP shop) then you don't have to configure it with the ISP login details or password. These go in the router instead, and stuff just gets passed through by the modem.
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That's a good tip from Kitz. I'm always a Zyxel fan. (Although is it true to say that some of their devices have had better software than others?)
However, I'm talking about "long" line meaning 66 dB, whereas Burakkucat is 20 dB (!!) better than me, so we are in different worlds. I drool at the thought of Burakkucat's good fortune.
I could _definitely_ do with getting hold of one of those to test it out. (Provided it's a straight PPPoE modem, or configurable as such.) [Worth its own thread, for that device?]
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Do _not_ use Roseway's option 1 - configuring the DLink as a router, as they are horrible, with bugs dangerous security problems according to various sources. (On an earlier thread? Certainly according to RevK who has warned against this kind of use repeatedly.)
But if you configure the DLink as a straight PPPoE modem as you should (supplied safely configured when bought from the AAISP shop) then you don't have to configure it with the ISP login details or password. These go in the router instead, and stuff just gets passed through by the modem.
got you now it's arrived with the same warnings on the front ;) so I'll experiment tomorrow :fingers: my attn is 57 to 58
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or throwing in another suggestion which expands on weavers.
The ZyXEL VMG1312-B10D is a relatively new modem in the UK and wasn't available when you first asked your question. It has an updated BCM chipset, works out of the box with DSLstats and so far is proving very good on long vdsl lines.
It seems to work well on a long adsl line for one of our members. Also b*cat picked one up on Thurs from ebay and so far is pleased with it on his moderately long (46db) line.
Thanks for more ideas ( trouble is getting more routers pass the wife she already mention the number of old ones in the cupboard but you never know when they'll come in handy ;) )
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Do _not_ use Roseway's option 1 - configuring the DLink as a router
Er.. I didn't say that. Option 1 was to use the DLink as a full modem, i.e. a modem with an ethernet output to the separate router. Whether that is still subject to the bugs and security problems I don't know.
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Dear Roseway, my apologies - I appear to have misunderstood. Very fuzzy/groggy, I'm afraid.
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got it connected ;D and the internet is on ok but the ewan led is orange , and is there a way to get the connection stats ?
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If it's in bridge mode, to get access to the stats you need to add another ethernet connection between the modem and any other port on the router. Advice on this is given here. (http://www.kitz.co.uk/routers/zyxel_VMG8324-B10A_bridge.htm) As it says, it's written for a Zyxel modem but should apply generally to other modems.
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thanks for quick reply :) problem is the d-link only has 1 ethernet port :(
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24hrs still running :) but no idea how the error's , margin etc I'm guessing it's the same as before the d-link was used because wholesale is giving the same connection speeds , give it a few more days then ask for a reset from plusnet
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To get access to the DSL stats from the modem, you'd need a small Ethernet switch and a second Ethernet patch cable, and maybe some software that can record or graph them. The software will need to speak ? MediaTek, someone will know about the stats interface if any provided by the software in this modem. There have been posts from knowledgeable souls who have dug into this device in some depth.
I haven't looked into it any further than just taking a spin round the web UI that this modem / modem-router provides. So I'm afraid I am not much help, as I haven't managed to do the physical setup required to investigate the possibility of interrogating my three DLink modems to extract stats, due to continuing illness and the complexity of dealing with three devices.
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cheers Weaver hope your feeling better soon :fingers:
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could I ask when doing a resync with the separate modem and router is it best to reboot both or just the modem and if it's both which to reboot first ?
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could I ask when doing a resync with the separate modem and router is it best to reboot both or just the modem and if it's both which to reboot first ?
It is only the modem that exists in a state of synchronism (or not) with the DSLAM (or MSAN).
The question has to be asked: What is the objective that you wish to achieve? :-\
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It is only the modem that exists in a state of synchronism (or not) with the DSLAM (or MSAN).
The question has to be asked: What is the objective that you wish to achieve? :-\
I was going to ask for a reset from the provider and it requires a resync after they've done it , also since moving to plusnet if my ip profile increases it doesn't kick in until I've done a resync ( which is weird with BT it kicked in automatic )
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Ah, I see. Thank you.
As you have an ADSL(2(+)) service, I'll suggest that you power down the router, power down the modem, wait a minute (or two), power up the modem and then power up the router.
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Cheers I'll give it a go when they reset , it's a farce when I only have a choice of plusnet or bt :(
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well 5 days with out any drops but that could be the margin is high going by the sync speed so I'll ask for a reset tomorrow and see what happens :fingers: still flying blind with no stats :(
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ok got a reset did the reboot of modem and router according to wholesale I'm connected @ 3.85 - IP Profile 3 but speedtest is only putting .5 to .85 through ?
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think I'll leave it a couple of hours and try another re-sync :(
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Something very strange is occurring ??? but I can't fathom out exactly what it is . . . :-\
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I put the problem to plusnet they said everything was right at their end ;) came back to it a couple of hours later and it was all as it should but looking in the system log it looks as if some admin terminated the session then reconnected and hay presto done :fingers:
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Let's hope that it continues to behave. :)
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still connected :) but dropped .5 so on 2.5 profile now but couldn't see why ( not having stats to look at ) if the router is powered down but modem left on does the exchange class this as a dropped connection ? this as not happened but just curios
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I had to check that we are talking about a G.992.{1|3|5} service and not a G.993.2 (VDSL2) service . . . :-\
With a separate modem and router, powering off the router will just cause your ISP/CP's systems to note that you have dropped the PPPoA connection. The exchange based MSAN (or DSLAM) will not have any knowledge of that upper software layer and so will happily continue "talking" to your modem.
So the answer to your question is "no". :)
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thanks yet again :)