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Broadband Related => ISPs => Topic started by: Weaver on August 04, 2015, 07:54:05 PM

Title: BTW Naked xDSL products
Post by: Weaver on August 04, 2015, 07:54:05 PM
I read this article
    http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2015/08/sky-broadband-shows-interest-in-naked-fttc-fibre-broadband-service.html

about how BT are going to offer DSL wholesale without the need to pay POTS line rental in addition. This is great news, a real money saver, for those of us who don't use our copper pair for telephones, just internet alone.

I believe, if memory serves, that RevK of A&A mentioned the possibility of BTW doing this on his blog www.revk.uk.

Now all we need is for our ISPs to offer it and pass on the savings to us. I'm sure that A&A are wanting to do this asap.
Title: Re: BTW Naked xDSL products
Post by: Black Sheep on August 04, 2015, 08:16:27 PM
If my failing memory serves, this has been in the pipeline for a few years ?? Isn't the issue emergency calls or something that's holding things up ?? May be completely off-track and haven't got the energy to go searching the net.  :)
Title: Re: BTW Naked xDSL products
Post by: Weaver on August 04, 2015, 08:24:23 PM
I believe the idea is to stop referring to it as a telephone service and emphasise that it's just a copper pair for xDSL. Need to get people out of last-century thinking.
Title: Re: BTW Naked xDSL products
Post by: Weaver on August 04, 2015, 08:27:19 PM
see also (slightly off-topic):-

    http://www.revk.uk/2015/07/new-ofcom-superpowers.html
Title: Re: BTW Naked xDSL products
Post by: mrpops2ko on August 05, 2015, 12:18:21 AM
I really like this change too. The only thing though is that it will probably result in us paying more or the same.

The current method that is employed by providers is to overcharge you on line rental (which subsidises broadband) and to overcharge you on calls (which also subsidises broadband).

What I think will happen is that broadband price will stay pretty much the same or slightly less than what it is currently.

I really like the idea of getting out of the mentality of needing a phone line though - maybe this will see a rise in price competitive phone line providers? with decent call pricing as PAYG, rather than an additional monthly monetary cost.
Title: Re: BTW Naked xDSL products
Post by: Weaver on August 05, 2015, 12:49:35 AM
@mrpops2ko  - I hear what you say.

A&A, my own ISP, have possibly committed themselves to cutting prices now, following what RevK, the boss, has written on the Internet in his blog www.revk.uk.

A&A charge I think 10 (+VAT ??) p/m. So for me that's over 3 * 10 p/m just in totally useless unwanted line rental, as I have three copper pairs, for ADSL only.

I could definitely do without that.

Title: Re: BTW Naked xDSL products
Post by: lcl00 on August 05, 2015, 08:59:47 AM
I suspect one of the reasons that this is now being suggested as a product offering is to save Openreach money by reducing the requirement to run as many E side copper cables seeing as their future value is rapidly falling away as more customers ditch the landline and use FTTC based services.

I, for one, am looking forward to this given that I have 4 lines and only use 1 for voice!

While this is now quite outdated... I remember years ago there was talk of the voice tones (along with the associated guard bands) being used for upstream bandwidth.  Obviously this would be miniscule (about 256k, if I remember correctly), but it might serve a purpose for DSL based services from the cabinet for those at a great distance.  It all looks very positive from the outset, which is likely why BT haven't bothered to use it.
Title: Re: BTW Naked xDSL products
Post by: Weaver on August 05, 2015, 09:44:09 AM
@lcl00  - would that be n lines _bonded_?

> there was talk of the voice tones (along with the associated guard bands) being used for upstream bandwidth. 

Would that be appendix i or j or something, I forget? Presumably BT can't do it presently, but I would snap it up, given that I'm so desperate for US bandwidth.
Title: Re: BTW Naked xDSL products
Post by: Weaver on August 05, 2015, 10:50:39 AM
Bad News

RevK, from A&A, just told me that he believes progress at BTW is very slow on this, and doesn't expect to see anything until 2017!

Damn.
Title: Re: BTW Naked xDSL products
Post by: kitz on August 06, 2015, 09:54:16 PM
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