Post by: mjgr33n on July 29, 2015, 11:00:11 AM
http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/cat-15_Archer-VR900.html
http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-Archer-VR900-Beamforming-Technology/dp/B01132GCP0 @ £128.92
Also read about http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/cat-15_Archer-VR200v.html AC750 version with VoIP
Post by: PhilipD on July 29, 2015, 11:43:20 AM
Yes looks like it might be, just downloading the GPL source to take a look. Nice Web UI interface and more features/options than the Netgear D7000 http://www.tp-link.com/resources/simulator/Archer%20VR900(UN)1.0/index.htm
Regards
Phil
Post by: Ronski on July 29, 2015, 11:51:39 AM
Post by: PhilipD on July 29, 2015, 11:58:50 AM
Just checked the GPL code and can confirm it is the BCM63138 SoC so the same as the Netgear. This comes with support for 3G/4G dongles, tut tut Netgear couldn't manage that :P.
Edit: It comes with 2 USB ports, one is USB 2 the other is USB 3, whereas the D7000 has 2 USB 3 ports. Looks better build quality, has metal screened Ethernet sockets, but only 4 LAN Ports, so reduced to 3 if needing to use one as a WAN port. The Netgear has 4 + 1 WAN port.
The interface looks very well done.
Regards
Phil
Post by: jid on July 29, 2015, 12:26:01 PM
Speed throughput on WiFI is the best i've seen from any wifi router in my house, which is all brick walls.
However, the interface on this new model is different to mine.
Datasheet here: http://uk.tp-link.com/res/down/doc/Archer_VR900_V1_Datasheet.pdf (http://uk.tp-link.com/res/down/doc/Archer_VR900_V1_Datasheet.pdf)
Post by: kitz on July 30, 2015, 06:06:32 PM
It's anticipated that TP-Link UK should receive these units for testing in the next few weeks.
Post by: PhilipD on July 30, 2015, 07:18:56 PM
What's the difference between those SoCs?
Regards
Phil
Post by: ejs on July 30, 2015, 07:28:44 PM
Post by: kitz on July 30, 2015, 08:06:24 PM
developing which uses BCM63137u SoC(same series with BCM63138),
I presume he means same SoC family?
Searching for info on the 63137 only brings up this post on whirlpool forums (http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2418181&p=3&#r52) about the Netgear D7000
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For those wondering, the SoC is the Broadcom BCM63137 (1Ghz dual core, Cortex A9).
Post by: mjgr33n on July 31, 2015, 08:12:54 PM
Post by: kitz on August 01, 2015, 11:36:36 AM
Note the wifi spec is less on the VR200v and only USB2 but it does support VoIP.
Post by: ejs on August 01, 2015, 01:46:58 PM
There's also the TD-W9970 for a basic Broadcom chipset VDSL2 router with single band 300Mb 11n wireless.
Post by: PhilipD on August 05, 2015, 05:18:45 PM
I'n not sure TBH ... snippet of pigeon that I have.
developing which uses BCM63137u SoC(same series with BCM63138),
I presume he means same SoC family?
Searching for info on the 63137 only brings up this post on whirlpool forums (http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2418181&p=3&#r52) about the Netgear D7000QuoteFor those wondering, the SoC is the Broadcom BCM63137 (1Ghz dual core, Cortex A9).
Can't remember where I read it now on the Net, but I what read suggested the BCM63137 is exactly the same as the BMC63138, just minus some features, for example DECT and VoIP support, which this TP-Link doesn't support, so it's a cheaper option.
Regards
Phil
Post by: kitz on August 06, 2015, 08:15:33 PM
Post by: andy265 on August 09, 2015, 02:15:14 PM
Post by: Zarf2007 on August 09, 2015, 10:08:47 PM
I just bought a VR900 a few days ago to replace my Billion 8800NL as I wanted the dual band ac wireless and ipsec vpn tunnel to connect to the office. Everything seems to work fine, only had it since Thursday but no problems so far. I was worried the streaming channels on my TalkTalk YouView might not work, but they worked fine without having to change anything.
Hi Andy,
I bought this and am having problems getting it to work with BT youview IPTV channels, did you configure it in a particular way to get the TT channels? I'm using it to replace the BT modem so have the VDSL interface setup, I have igmp proxying enabled but if I try to enable iptv I lose connectivity to the router.
One other thing I did try was to setup a bridge interface but that also doesn't seem to fix the issue. Really like the router otherwise and this is the only thing I need sorted so hope you can help!
Thanks
Zarf2007
Post by: andy265 on August 09, 2015, 10:25:58 PM
am having problems getting it to work with BT youview IPTV channels, did you configure it in a particular way to get the TT channels?
I didn't have to do anything, the TT channels just worked with the default settings. IGMP is on in the WAN and LAN settings. The IPTV stuff is all disabled, I think you only need that if the channels are delivered on another VLAN. TT do that on ADSL but on FTTC it's all on the main VLAN 101.
One thing that will be different for you is the connection type. TT use DHCP on their FTTC connections but BT use PPPoE, so maybe the current firmware has a problem with IGMP over PPPoE or BT do something odd.
Post by: kitz on August 09, 2015, 11:32:06 PM
I've had a look in the GUI and although I can see the LAN and WAN IGMP settings, I suspect that the it may require a new interface & bridging.
If its ok with you I can pass your contact detail on to someone at TPlink who may be able to help you.
Post by: kitz on August 10, 2015, 12:09:25 AM
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Where the CP is using PPP and intends to use Multicast for GEA, the modem shall be able to detect and process multicast frames differently
to unicast. Multicast for GEA frames sent into Openreach (IGMP reports) shall not be encapsulated with PPP otherwise they will passed
transparently as normal GEA traffic.
Seeing as the VR900 is automatically configured for BT and encapsulated as PPPoE this will likely be why its not working atm and a new WAN interface needs to be added. According to Openreach here (https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/super-fastfibreaccess/downloads/GEA-Multicast%20Description%20Issue%203_1.pdf) IGMP Multicast is encapsulated as IPoE which is why it will be working out of the box for TT. So I think you somehow need to set up another WAN interface for IPoE and bridge them.
I cant immediately see in the GUI how you'd do this, as I dont want to mess with my own settings at this late hour.
As Im out early tomorrow morning and not around until late in the evening, I hope you dont mind but Ive passed your address on so that he can contact you direct.
Post by: Zarf2007 on August 10, 2015, 05:56:13 AM
Ive just been reading SIN 498 which states thatQuoteWhere the CP is using PPP and intends to use Multicast for GEA, the modem shall be able to detect and process multicast frames differently
to unicast. Multicast for GEA frames sent into Openreach (IGMP reports) shall not be encapsulated with PPP otherwise they will passed
transparently as normal GEA traffic.
Seeing as the VR900 is automatically configured for BT and encapsulated as PPPoE this will likely be why its not working atm and a new WAN interface needs to be added. According to Openreach here (https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/super-fastfibreaccess/downloads/GEA-Multicast%20Description%20Issue%203_1.pdf) IGMP Multicast is encapsulated as IPoE which is why it will be working out of the box for TT. So I think you somehow need to set up another WAN interface for IPoE and bridge them.
I cant immediately see in the GUI how you'd do this, as I dont want to mess with my own settings at this late hour.
As Im out early tomorrow morning and not around until late in the evening, I hope you dont mind but Ive passed your address on so that he can contact you direct.
sure no problem, thanks for your help on this. My feeling would be it will likely work in router only mode but I really want to use the VDSL interface as it syncs at 19000/79999 which is way better than the BT modem!!
Post by: andy265 on August 10, 2015, 06:51:10 AM
So I think you somehow need to set up another WAN interface for IPoE and bridge them.
I cant immediately see in the GUI how you'd do this
That's what you have to do on the 8800NL for BT/Plusnet IPTV to work, you add a 2nd WAN interface in bridge mode (not IPoE), but the VR200 won't let you add another interface with the same VLAN. Same in the IPTV settings, if you set that to a port and choose VLAN 101 you get an internal error.
Post by: Zarf2007 on August 10, 2015, 08:19:43 AM
So I think you somehow need to set up another WAN interface for IPoE and bridge them.
I cant immediately see in the GUI how you'd do this
That's what you have to do on the 8800NL for BT/Plusnet IPTV to work, you add a 2nd WAN interface in bridge mode (not IPoE), but the VR200 won't let you add another interface with the same VLAN. Same in the IPTV settings, if you set that to a port and choose VLAN 101 you get an internal error.
yep, running it in router only mode with an ewan port connected to the BT modem and the IPTV works no problems, just need to sort out the VDSL side as it would be a shame to not be able to use what seems like a stable and fast vdsl modem place of BT's.
btw, is there an ability to restrict outgoing traffic from a specific internal host, ie if I only wanted to allow dns & https from a vpn box on 192.168.50 and block all other services? can seem to see where to do that.
Post by: andy265 on August 10, 2015, 08:28:16 AM
is there an ability to restrict outgoing traffic from a specific internal host
Just had a quick look, but it doesn't look like it.
Post by: kitz on August 10, 2015, 08:30:47 AM
Quote
but the VR200 won't let you add another interface with the same VLAN. Same in the IPTV settings, if you set that to a port and choose VLAN 101 you get an internal error.
I dont know if this will work (I dont have Youview to test) but see in that Openreach doc I linked to it says something like 'No VLAN or VLAN=0' What happens if you try VLAN=0
Post by: andy265 on August 10, 2015, 08:36:51 AM
I dont know if this will work (I dont have Youview to test) but see in that Openreach doc I linked to it says something like 'No VLAN or VLAN=0' What happens if you try VLAN=0
I can't test it either, but you can leave the VLAN off in the IPTV settings.
Post by: Zarf2007 on August 10, 2015, 09:14:48 AM
I dont know if this will work (I dont have Youview to test) but see in that Openreach doc I linked to it says something like 'No VLAN or VLAN=0' What happens if you try VLAN=0
I can't test it either, but you can leave the VLAN off in the IPTV settings.
if you leave it off the iptv doesnt work, if you try to specify 0 it gives 'invalid VLAN ID' it allows 1-4094 only, I tried both 1 and 4094 but no luck....
Post by: PhilipD on August 10, 2015, 11:28:48 AM
How are you finding the modem performance compared to the ZyXEL?
Regards
Phil
Post by: kitz on August 10, 2015, 02:25:01 PM
if you leave it off the iptv doesnt work, if you try to specify 0 it gives 'invalid VLAN ID' it allows 1-4094 only, I tried both 1 and 4094 but no luck....
Hmmm not sure then - relevant snippets from the Openreach doc
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5.1.4.4 IGMP encapsulation
IGMP messages to/from GEA-Multicast are to be encapsulated as IP over Ethernet (IPoE).
IGMP messages as part of multicast applications running over GEA Data must be sent over the PPPoE connection layer and
will be passed to the Openreach CP on the normal data VLAN without being processed/acted on by Openreach.
5.1.4.6 IGMP forking
Openreach will not provide forking (copying) of the IGMP messages, so that:
a)IGMP messages will be presented to the CP on the Multicast VLAN only.
b)Openreach will not provide a parallel feed of IGMP messages on the normal data VLA
Which explains the need for the 2 WAN interfaces
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5.1.5 VLAN use
IGMP messages can be sent from the CPE to the Openreach Active NTE either:
a) With no VLAN tagging; or
b) With VLAN tagging but only where VLAN tag 0 is used. If other tag values are used, the
IGMP message will not be processed by Openreach and will be passed to the CP on the
normal data VLAN.
So out of curiosity I did a search for VLAN=0 and interestingly up cropped this post (https://community.bt.com/t5/YouView-Boxes/Multicast-Settings-for-3rd-Party-Routers-may-not-work/m-p/926132#M4894) which is about tplink routers. Unfortunately his link to tp-link now gives a 404.
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For an end user connected via Openreach GEA (FTTC and FTTH)
• The Residential Gateway will support
– IPoE for multicast traffic and PPPoE for BB traffic
– VLAN tag ID of 0 or no VLAN tag ID for multicast and BB traffic
– Fork IGMP requests up multicast and BB paths
I think we may have to wait see what TP-link can come up with.
Quote
How are you finding the modem performance compared to the ZyXEL?Can't say much atm Im afraid :/
Post by: kitz on August 10, 2015, 02:51:55 PM
Ive had this response back. I'm aware that you said that when using IPTV settings then you dont get internet.
The one thing I note from the attached image is that VLAN isnt checked. Did you try it both ticked and unticked (thinking VLAN=0 here)
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Can you please follow the below and see after this settings change are you able to use your youview box.
Please log into VR900 and then go to ADVANCED and then IPTV and then please see the attached screenshot. Please select the respective LAN port to which youview box is connected.
Post by: Zarf2007 on August 10, 2015, 03:32:38 PM
@ Zarf2007
Ive had this response back. I'm aware that you said that when using IPTV settings then you dont get internet.
The one thing I note from the attached image is that VLAN isnt checked. Did you try it both ticked and unticked (thinking VLAN=0 here)QuoteCan you please follow the below and see after this settings change are you able to use your youview box.
Please log into VR900 and then go to ADVANCED and then IPTV and then please see the attached screenshot. Please select the respective LAN port to which youview box is connected.
I have tried it unticked and it didnt work. My setup is Youview Box/PC/other devices -> switch -> homeplug -> homeplug -> Router port 1.
Now I know this setup works with multicast as I previously had a Billion 8800AXL router in place of it without issues. So if i had the YV box directly into port 2 this would probably work but this is logistically impossible due to where the devices are physically located. at the moment if i enable this on port 1 I lose connectivity to the routers lan side. I will try configuring with vlan 0 and report back.
just tried vlan 0, it accepts it (even though it states 1-4094 only) but still does not work.
Post by: andy265 on August 10, 2015, 07:06:24 PM
Post by: Zarf2007 on August 10, 2015, 09:48:56 PM
New firmware 150729 released on the TP-Link website today, don't look like it will do anything to help you though by the release notes.
yep tried it and no change.......
I would have throught that created a pure bridge interface on the wan side would have done it but that also fails.....
Post by: andy265 on August 10, 2015, 10:01:27 PM
Post by: GigabitEthernet on August 10, 2015, 11:40:52 PM
Post by: ardsar on August 13, 2015, 01:10:09 PM
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: andy265 on August 13, 2015, 01:16:49 PM
Is the vr9000 compatible with DSLStats?
No, it doesn't give you much information about the line at all, here's all the info it shows for my line:
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TP-LINK(conf)#adsl show info
INDEX=1
{
enable=1
status=Up
linkEncapsulationRequested=
linkEncapsulationUsed=G.993.2_Annex_K_PTM
modulationType=VDSL2
lineEncoding=
allowedProfiles=8a,8b,8c,8d,12a,12b,17a,30a
currentProfile=17a
X_TP_VDSLProfiles_8a=1
X_TP_VDSLProfiles_8b=1
X_TP_VDSLProfiles_8c=1
X_TP_VDSLProfiles_8d=1
X_TP_VDSLProfiles_12a=1
X_TP_VDSLProfiles_12b=1
X_TP_VDSLProfiles_17a=1
X_TP_VDSLProfiles_30a=1
X_TP_VDSLProfiles_US0_8a=1
dataPath=Fast
interleaveDepth=0
lineNumber=0
upstreamCurrRate=19999
downstreamCurrRate=79987
upstreamMaxRate=35508
downstreamMaxRate=103210
upstreamNoiseMargin=229
downstreamNoiseMargin=127
upstreamAttenuation=0
downstreamAttenuation=109
upstreamPower=-48
downstreamPower=139
ATURVendor=
ATURCountry=
ATUCVendor=
ATUCCountry=
totalStart=2578
showtimeStart=2397
quarterHourStart=0
X_TP_Bitswap=On
X_TP_SRA=On
X_TP_AdslModulationCfg=Multimode
X_TP_AnnexType=Annex A/L/M
X_TP_SupportAdslMode=VDSL2:A;T1.413:A;G.dmt:A;ADSL2:A,A/L/M;ADSL2+:A,M,A/L/M;ADSL Auto Sync-up:A/L/M;Auto Sync-up:A/L/M
}
cmd:SUCC
Post by: GigabitEthernet on August 16, 2015, 10:21:18 PM
Post by: roseway on August 16, 2015, 11:09:56 PM
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eric@goldcrest:~$ ftp 192.168.1.254
Connected to 192.168.1.254.
220 Ftp firmware update utility
Name (192.168.1.254:eric): admin
331 Password please.
Password:
230 User logged in.
Remote system type is UNIX.
Using binary mode to transfer files.
ftp> ls
200 PORT 192.168.1.32:48648 OK
150 BINARY data connection established.
drwxr-xr-x 2 1822 Jul 31 2013 bin
drwxr-xr-x 2 3 Jul 31 2013 data1
drwxr-xr-x 2 3 Jul 31 2013 data2
drwxr-xr-x 6 2671 Jul 31 2013 dev
drwxr-xr-x 13 1037 Jul 31 2013 etc
drwxr-xr-x 6 583 Jul 31 2013 lib
lrwxrwxrwx 1 11 Jul 31 2013 linuxrc -> bin/busybox
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 Jan 01 1970 mnt
drwxr-xr-x 5 56 Jul 31 2013 opt
dr-xr-xr-x 81 0 Jan 01 1970 proc
drwxr-xr-x 2 277 Jul 31 2013 sbin
drwxr-xr-x 11 0 Jan 01 1970 sys
lrwxrwxrwx 1 8 Jul 31 2013 tmp -> /var/tmp
drwxr-xr-x 4 38 Jul 31 2013 usr
drwxr-xr-x 15 0 Aug 15 13:17 var
drwxr-xr-x 3 4015 Jul 31 2013 webs
drwxr-xr-x 2 305 Jul 31 2013 webstr0
226 Directory list has been submitted.
ftp>The 'ls' command is the Unix command for a directory listing, and you can see that it reveals a link to busybox. It's just possible that the VR900 might have something similar.
Post by: kitz on August 17, 2015, 01:09:43 AM
Unfortunately, I tried that the other day and got empty directory listing. :(
Post by: aruba on August 19, 2015, 07:44:05 PM
Post by: ianrobgill on August 20, 2015, 06:12:08 PM
Just a heads up that the VR900 will be one of Amazon's Lightning Deals tomorrow at 12.30pm.Picked one up for £96.99
looking forward to replacing my HH5Sent from my D6603 using Tapatalk
Post by: ejs on August 24, 2015, 08:43:33 AM
The TP-Link firmware contains 2 operating systems. There's one built for an ARM cpu architecture with the wireless router components, and another for a MIPS cpu, with the DSL components. Both Broadcom. The Netgear D7000 has a DSL driver built for the ARM architecture.
Has anyone checked if the "enable" and then "sh" commands get you from the TP-Link CLI to the busybox shell?
Post by: andy265 on August 24, 2015, 02:57:52 PM
Has anyone checked if the "enable" and then "sh" commands get you from the TP-Link CLI to the busybox shell?
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Welcome To Use TP-LINK COMMAND-LINE Interface Model.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TP-LINK(conf)#enable
Command not found:enable
TP-LINK(conf)#sh
Command not found:sh
TP-LINK(conf)#
Post by: GigabitEthernet on August 24, 2015, 03:59:10 PM
Post by: ejs on August 24, 2015, 04:49:47 PM
It's not unexpected that there's no shell access, it's TP-Link's decision, the took the same line with their other recent modem/router models.
Post by: Zarf2007 on August 26, 2015, 06:10:43 AM
New firmware 150729 released on the TP-Link website today, don't look like it will do anything to help you though by the release notes.
yep tried it and no change.......
I would have throught that created a pure bridge interface on the wan side would have done it but that also fails.....
Just a quick update, TP Link sent me a beta firmware which fixed the VDSL/BT Youview problem, works out of the box now. They will no doubt be posting this on their support site soon. So can confirm that this device now works in wireless router and VDSL mode with BT Youview IPTV channels.
Also copes better than my previous asus ac68u which was connected to the bt modem, for that setup when I had the UHD sport channel running on my main box and a HD IPTV channel on the box in my bedroom (e.g. comedy central), the channel on the bedroom box would fail and the uhd channel would break up (even though Im on infinity2 and would get 73down/18 up), with this router both run super smooth with no problems.
also noticed my sync speed has improved (79down/19up) and connection on VDSL is rock solid.
Post by: kitz on August 31, 2015, 06:03:09 PM
Ive just completed my review (http://www.kitz.co.uk/routers/tplink_Archer_VR900_review.htm) - wifi is excellent, but sadly let down IMHO only by lack of proper line stats, I have taken this up with TP-link UK who seem quite receptive to this and are putting a case forward to their Head Office in China. However don't hold your breath as its seen as something only for advanced users and won't be priority.
For those users who do want a bit more line stats info - ejs has kindly updated his TP-Link StatPOSTer (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,14377.msg297958.html#msg297958) prog so that it now also works with the Archer VR900.
I've also started off a wiki post for the Archer VR900 (http://wiki.kitz.co.uk/index.php/TPLink_Archer_VR900).
Post by: jasjeet on September 12, 2015, 11:32:54 AM
Post by: kitz on September 12, 2015, 12:11:27 PM
Excellent wi-fi, good DSL stability, but its my intention to put my VMG8324 back on any day now due to the lack of linestat info.
I dont know any info about the Sky MER version Im afraid.
Post by: jasjeet on September 12, 2015, 04:39:05 PM
Were your sync speeds higher (or other available stats better) on the ZyXEL over the TP-Link?
Is it right to go for Broadcom chipset's to suit Sky fibre connections? As i have avoided Asus for that reason so far.
Thanks for your help.
Post by: PhilipD on September 12, 2015, 06:15:13 PM
Do ZyXEL make something similar to VMG8324-B10A but with wireless AC?
Were your sync speeds higher (or other available stats better) on the ZyXEL over the TP-Link?
Is it right to go for Broadcom chipset's to suit Sky fibre connections? As i have avoided Asus for that reason so far.
Thanks for your help.
Yes it is the 8924. Uses the same firmware.
Regards
Phil
Post by: andy265 on September 12, 2015, 08:10:26 PM
Excellent wi-fi, good DSL stability, but its my intention to put my VMG8324 back on any day now due to the lack of linestat info.
I would agree, it's a great router only let down by a lack of line stats.
Not too much of a problem for me as I am fortunate to be very close to the cabinet with an obtainable sync way over the 80Mb max.
Post by: jasjeet on September 12, 2015, 08:21:17 PM
I can't find much about the 8924's wifi however, if it's better or worse than the vr900.
Post by: NewtronStar on September 12, 2015, 10:03:03 PM
Post by: kitz on September 12, 2015, 11:50:27 PM
I can't find much about the 8924's wifi however, if it's better or worse than the vr900.
I don't have an 8924 to be able to directly compare sorry. All I can say is that despite only being wireless n, the range on my 8324 is still very good. Obviously it isn't going to get the AC speeds and you need someone with an 8924 to say how they think it performs.
Ive now put the VMG8324 back on.. and these were the direct comparison of stats within a couple of mins. (I didnt bother waiting 30mins)
TPLink - VR900
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Current Rate(kbps) 20000 79987
Max Rate(kbps) 30747 79982
SNR Margin(dB) 12.9 6.4
Line Attenuation(dB) 0 17.7
Errors(pkts) 0 0Zyxel VMG8324
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VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 0 day: 0 hour: 2 minutes
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 20.202 Mbps 80.103 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 20.000 Mbps 79.987 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 12.7 dB 6.7 dB
Actual Delay: 0 ms 0 ms
Transmit Power: 5.5 dBm 14.3 dBm
Receive Power: -6.3 dBm 1.4 dBm
Actual INP: 0.0 symbols 0.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 11.9 dB 12.7 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 31.026 Mbps 83.256 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 0.6 17.9 27.5 N/A 10.8 24.0 37.8
Signal Attenuation(dB): 0.5 17.8 27.4 N/A 10.6 23.8 37.7
SNR Margin(dB): 14.5 13.1 12.5 N/A 6.7 6.7 6.7
Transmit Power(dBm):- 6.0 -25.7 5.2 N/A 12.0 7.4 7.3
============================================================================Post by: Danger Mouse on September 16, 2015, 01:01:33 AM
Post by: PhilipD on September 16, 2015, 09:57:21 AM
My line in maxed out at around 35mbps, so I guess stats could be useful.
I can't find much about the 8924's wifi however, if it's better or worse than the vr900.
I'm not sure suggesting one boxes Wi-Fi is better or worse than another is useful, reason being is due to standards they all work very similar. What changes things is the antenna arrangement and how the signal radiates from the box and the directions favoured by that particular design on any particular model. So a box that has great range for one person may be bad for someone else.
Oh and the marketing that suggests these routers track and beam the signal to the device is very creative marketing, that isn't how they work, to work like that they'd need very directional antennas that move around with a tracking device! All they do is simply radiate the signal in the same pattern but delay very slightly the transmitted signal from one antenna by varying amounts of time until the receiving device reports it has a stronger signal. It works on the basis of ripples in a pond and two stones are thrown in, some ripples will cross and cancel each other out, some will meet and amplify, and the aim of "beam forming" is to make the ripples meet at the devices antenna so they amplify. Of course throw more than one device onto the Wi-Fi network and it rapidly becomes impossible to do this with any great certainty.
What I can say though with the 8924 is I've not had any problems with AC on the 8924, all devices connect just fine and just work.
Regards
Phil
Post by: skwark on September 16, 2015, 09:33:58 PM
Looks like TP Link have been paying attention.
FW Build 150729
Post by: jasjeet on September 18, 2015, 03:48:39 PM
Post by: andy265 on September 18, 2015, 05:03:13 PM
under the advanced tab, DSL status box shows line stats.
FW Build 150729
I have the same build; it shows the speed, the max speed, SNR margin, attenuation and an error count that doesn't work. I guess I should have said it doesn't give full line stats.
Post by: skwark on September 18, 2015, 07:00:20 PM
Also noticed the GUI doesn't seem to load without an active DSL connection in Safari (Mac and iOS), but Chrome is OK. Bit odd.
Post by: andy265 on September 18, 2015, 07:34:20 PM
http://www.tp-link.com/en/download/Archer-VR900_V1.html#Firmware
New Features
1.Devices' name can be modifid in your WLAN or LAN.
2.G.INP is supported
3.The PIN code of 3/4G SIM card can be unlocked automatically
4.HTTPS URL filtering supported in Parental Control
5.Update and the ISP's list for xDSL configuration,and sky(MER)_VDSL is added to the list.
6.IPV6 tunnel function is added.
Bug Fixed
1.fix the bug that BT Youview can't be get by BT user.
2.fix the bug that URL filtering fails.
3.fix the bug the NAT Loopback fails.
4.fix some bugs about the User Interface
Post by: skwark on September 18, 2015, 08:34:18 PM
Post by: kitz on September 18, 2015, 08:41:32 PM
TP-LINK have released a beta firmware for the VR900 for Sky's MER protocols, I've got it if anyone needs it, or just email TP-LINK, they also said the firmware update will be officially released very soon :)
Thanks for that info. Good news for people on Sky :)
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.G.INP is supported
Youre correct andy. It was - jid tested on a g.inp line ???
Post by: andy265 on September 18, 2015, 09:48:43 PM
Post by: skwark on September 18, 2015, 09:53:00 PM
File is downloading OK for me, but I won't be able to install it until later as my Youview box is recording a streamed channel at the moment. Will post back if I find any problems.
Thanks- yes it's working again now. Upgraded fine.
Post by: skwark on September 19, 2015, 08:02:55 PM
Update: seems it is in fact a BT service issue and not the router/firmware
Post by: andy265 on September 19, 2015, 08:17:50 PM
Post by: jid on September 20, 2015, 09:24:59 AM
Post by: nivek1612 on October 17, 2015, 04:56:23 PM
I connected first time and the wifi throughput was impressive, however it would disconnect 3-4 times a day
I did an RMA and I'm now back to my trusty HG612
Post by: aruba on October 19, 2015, 10:56:19 AM
Post by: mr_mojo_risin on October 19, 2015, 02:38:49 PM
*Connected straight away using latest firmware "150909" sync'd at 39998
*No improvement on range /speed on 2.4ghz WiFi over SR101....must be my house?
*5ghz is great but tails off quite quickly...
* it's been connected for 4 days, up to now zero disconnects...solid....but seem to be getting error pkts.....less than one per hour....but still errors...
* line stats, or lack of them, leave a lot to be desired...may be TP-Link will improve these with the next firmware release...
Am I happy with my purchase....no, not really...as the "fantasic WiFi" promised for the VR900....isn't...at least in my house, should have saved my self £124....
Mojo...
Post by: skwark on November 05, 2015, 11:21:58 PM
Post by: skwark on November 27, 2015, 12:59:03 PM
New Features/Enhancement:
1. Added Tether support.
Bugs Fixed:
1. Fixed the bug that the value of upstream line attenuation in the Status page was always zero.
http://www.tp-link.com/res/down/soft/Archer_VR900_V1_151111.zip
Post by: burakkucat on November 27, 2015, 04:06:09 PM
http://www.tp-link.com/res/down/soft/Archer_VR900_V1_151111.zip
That link, as of c.a. 1600 hours on Friday 27th November 2015, just gives a "404". :(
Post by: skwark on November 27, 2015, 04:21:14 PM
Post by: burakkucat on November 27, 2015, 04:31:09 PM
Post by: ejs on November 27, 2015, 04:34:16 PM
Post by: andy265 on November 27, 2015, 06:33:42 PM
http://uk.tp-link.com/res/down/soft/Archer_VR900_V1_151111.zip
Post by: okmob2 on November 29, 2015, 08:03:18 AM
But i live in country where annex b modulation is not supports in adsl lines...
Please can anybody help me to switch this modem to annex a ??
Post by: ejs on November 29, 2015, 03:07:25 PM
http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,14461.msg296659.html#msg296659
The VR200 and VR200v hardware is not exactly identical, but it looks like the only difference is the voice ports which the VR200v has but the VR200 doesn't. So the VR200 firmware might work on VR200v hardware, except the voice ports won't work.
I'm not sure the ADSL analogue hardware components would be suitable though, since Annex B ADSL is over ISDN, and Annex A ADSL is over POTS, which use different frequencies. Annex A starts at 25.875 kHz, but Annex B starts at 120 kHz. If the hardware is different, installing a firmware for another model can't change that.
Post by: okmob2 on November 29, 2015, 04:21:17 PM
You might be able to hex edit the VR200 firmware .bin file taking the values from the VR200v firmware as described in the crossflashing the 8980 thread:
http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,14461.msg296659.html#msg296659
The VR200 and VR200v hardware is not exactly identical, but it looks like the only difference is the voice ports which the VR200v has but the VR200 doesn't. So the VR200 firmware might work on VR200v hardware, except the voice ports won't work.
I'm not sure the ADSL analogue hardware components would be suitable though, since Annex B ADSL is over ISDN, and Annex A ADSL is over POTS, which use different frequencies. Annex A starts at 25.875 kHz, but Annex B starts at 120 kHz. If the hardware is different, installing a firmware for another model can't change that.
Thanks for info. You're right. I update firmware everything fine but annex a not support again. No dsl signal... :(
Post by: andy265 on December 29, 2015, 07:08:27 PM
New Features/Enhancement:
1.Added help menu in the web UI.
2.Fixed the wireless region code to Germany.
Not sure if it is significant, but the old ones all say "For Archer VR900(UN) V1" this one says "For Archer VR900(EU) V1".
Post by: burakkucat on December 29, 2015, 09:48:19 PM
Post by: andy265 on December 30, 2015, 11:32:18 AM
Post by: burakkucat on December 30, 2015, 04:03:09 PM
Post by: wideboydixon on January 18, 2016, 03:46:43 PM
I joined the forum because I was looking for a replacement for a BT Home Hub 5. I have typically 10-20 devices connected to the router and I was continually having to re-start the HH5 when it randomly kicked out devices and wouldn't allow them to re-connect. Based on information from this forum and from Amazon I finally opted for the TP-Link Archer VR900 and I must say that after 4 days I'm very happy with it. Setup was incredibly easy and I must confess that I opted to set the SSID and password the same as my HH5 to make my life a little easier. I've had a steady connection, excellent WiFi coverage and no device disconnections since I set it up. I just wish BT had acknowledged the problem with the HH5 because I feel a little cheated that I've had to purchase a replacement router.
Thanks all :)
WBD
Post by: eightace on February 27, 2016, 07:35:25 PM
Saw one in PC world quite cheap and it was v1 but will look elsewhere if it is worth my while.
Post by: ejs on February 27, 2016, 08:13:37 PM
A completely different model, the VR200 seems to be for the UK, the VR200v was for Germany where I think VoIP phones are more common.
The VR600 (http://uk.tp-link.com/products/details/cat-5030_Archer-VR600.html) might be a future model, not yet available. It's black instead of white.
In general, a different hardware version could have totally different components inside, but it will have mostly the same specification and features. However, for the VR900, I think so far only the v1 exists.
Post by: kitz on February 27, 2016, 09:10:16 PM
I'm led to believe that the new UK versions contain the BCM63137. Not that it makes any difference. If you go to the Broadcom website, BCM63137 auto redirects to BCM63168. I also asked TP link what was the difference and was told something along the lines of nothing much, its the same family.
Therefore it wont make any difference to f/w etc.
Ive not actually opened the case to see whats in mine. I just went off what the guy at tp-link who sent out 4 to various kitz members who beta tested it said. I dont know if b*cat ever got around to opening his either.
Actually I just checked my email from TP-link : This was from a few months before we got ours and before we beta tested supposedly what I thought was the v2.
VR900 v1 uses BCM63168 SoC, while we have version 2 in developing which uses BCM63137u SoC(same series with BCM63138)
Actually now Im very curious what is in ours. I'v just pulled the unit out of its box, but cant see any easy way to get in it. B*cat / Ronski / Jamie do you fancy trying to get in it. Unfortunately I have a knacked hand which is why I dont do internals, and also why I dont even build PCs any more. Im happy to look if its something simple like screws but this isnt. It looks like the front cover may pull off if you hook your finger nails under it. It possible it has some retaining clips under the bottom edge, but despite trying, I've not been able to pull it open. :/
Aside from the modem chipset the rest of the hardware should be the same.
Post by: burakkucat on February 27, 2016, 09:27:08 PM
I dont know if b*cat ever got around to opening his either.
<snip>
B*cat / Ronski / Jamie do you fancy trying to get in it.
I am still using it, regularly, for its impeccable 5 GHz WiFi and so any attempt to dismantle it would mean I would have to go off-line . . .
Perhaps Ronski or Jamie would be able to assist? :-\
Post by: ejs on February 27, 2016, 09:34:21 PM
I think with the newer chips, the BCM 63137u or 63138, it's all on one chip (the newer chips seem to have dual core ARM CPUs). So it would all be running within the same operating system, rather than two separate systems internally networked somehow.
Post by: ejs on March 06, 2016, 06:19:57 PM
There's also specifications for the VR2600, which has slightly faster wireless speeds than the VR900, and so will become the new top modem/router model when it's launched.
Post by: planetf1 on April 05, 2016, 12:10:27 AM
I ask since I ordered a VR900 at the weekend, which arrived today. It's an amazon warehouse special (return), but I notice it's a VR900 v1
Post by: planetf1 on April 12, 2016, 04:07:40 PM
It's half decent, but I found that on my particular line, which syncs at approx 35Mbps+/7 Mbps, the VR900 would consistently only sync the upstream at 6 Mbps. It doesn't sound like a lot, but I do a lot of uploading/online backup. I've synced a few times ir VR900, to HG612 and back.. and the difference is real, supported by speed tests. Downstream appears very very close, and SNRm for both directions at the speeds I mention is about the same.
My experimentation (albeit more with the dodgy HH5a) has reminded me that keeping a stable VDSL connection is essential to avoid the wrath of the DLM gods, thus making the case for a one box solution less clear. Additionally having used the router a little it's still relatively simple -- no adaptive QOS, VPN server or other fancy config, and just perhaps for me if I was spending the money a more customizable option running ddwrt might be better.
I've contacted TP-Link about the vdsl observation.
Post by: underzone on April 12, 2016, 04:47:42 PM
Supports:
ITU-T G.993.2, Up to 30a profile (POTS)
ITU-T G.993.5 (G.vector)
ITU-T G.998.4 (G.INP）
Post by: 2pods on April 18, 2016, 12:44:31 PM
Wonder what that is ?
Hopefully it will be something to stop the router "disappearing" at up to 5 minutes at time about twice a day after the last upgrade. >:(
Apart from that it's great .(touch wood :fingers:)
[Moderator note: This post relates to the Archer VR900 firmware.]
Post by: andy265 on April 18, 2016, 12:58:57 PM
[Moderator note: This post relates to the Archer VR900 firmware.]
Post by: 2pods on April 18, 2016, 03:29:18 PM
I can't be sure 'cos I'm finding the log a bit bewildering, if it is the router, a switch, an evil network adaptor, or maybe even (surely not) BT.
[Moderator note: This post relates to the Archer VR900 firmware.]
Post by: andy265 on April 19, 2016, 10:50:41 PM
[VR900v1]
Post by: jid on April 25, 2016, 12:10:05 AM
I have a hunch it's overheating. I still use as my main router but it's using the HG612 as a modem.
Post by: JHewess on May 03, 2016, 10:07:58 PM
So far the VR900 has been completely rock solid. Syncs as high as my line will go (80/20), as did the 9980, but snr is higher and attenuation lower. Wifi performance is considerably better, and file sharing/video streaming via a memory stick or external USB hard drive actually works.
Sure, line stats are pants, but that has never really bothered me. I'm very happy with it overall.
Post by: 2pods on May 03, 2016, 11:08:50 PM
80/20 :clap:
Mine still disappears regularly, but the Wi-Fi and internet are rock solid (v1)
Post by: Geekofbroadband on August 15, 2016, 05:24:11 PM
Also, the DSL cable is going into one of the Ethernet ports :lol: http://i.imgur.com/p02Ekob.png
Post by: ejs on August 15, 2016, 05:58:52 PM
Post by: Rawr on December 03, 2017, 12:31:02 PM
Just joined so I can ask this question.
Sorry to bring up this old thread, but was there ever a definitive answer to the question of what the difference was between the VR900 V1 ( white ) and VR900 V2 ( black )?
I've finally upgraded to FTTC with Plusnet, the ' up to 38mb ' VDSL2 product, ( hh5 says 39.99 sync down and 8.319mb up at the moment - day 3 of learning mode ) and I'm coming from their ADSL product. ( had 16mb sync with that )
Of course they've sent me a rebranded HH5 that has pretty much no settings lol.
I've come from a trusty Netgear DGN2000 that has been rock solid for several years after having replaced the crappy power caps for decent ones and adding a 40mm fan and buck converter to turn the voltage down making the fan silent.
The DGN2000 has quite a decent firewall and 4 WiFi ssid channels all with separate wpa passwords ( handy for separating stuff)
Also has filtering for Mac, ip, isolation ( trusted devices), turning off ssid visability etc, url filtering.
The VR900 seems the closest to the DGN2000's feature set in terms of security and line stability, but I just don't know which to buy? V1 White or V2 Black.
I'd really like your informed opinion.
I need to get it ordered as soon as possible.
Is the £30 price difference between v1 and v2 all down to the usb3.0 addition?
Thank you in advance, I look forward to your reply.
Rich.
Post by: ejs on December 03, 2017, 12:47:48 PM
The newer model might be supported by firmware updates for a little longer.
Post by: Rawr on December 03, 2017, 12:59:45 PM
Thanks for the quick reply!
When you say v1 is two systems in one, are you just referring to the way it's laid out ( modem and ethernet seperated ) or are you saying I will still need a seperate modem if I
opt to buy the black V2 ( as you say might have firmware available a while longer )
I'd really like to go all on one.
I've read so many empty of fact retailer pitches and scrolled through so many different pdf manuals I'm now just dizzy and lost :baby:
Figured I'd better ask the pro's, so I came here to ask you and your knowledgeable friends. :thumbs:
I'll order it today I think.. Seems like V2, but I'm just double checking again.
P.s. Thankyou!
Post by: ejs on December 03, 2017, 01:17:57 PM
When you say v1 is two systems in one, are you just referring to the way it's laid out ( modem and ethernet seperated )
Just the way it's designed internally.
Post by: Rawr on December 03, 2017, 01:26:01 PM
Just the way it's designed internally.
V2 it is then!
Thankyou so much, I've had days of scrambled brains over this.
I'll go order it now.
:yay:
Post by: globula_neagra on December 11, 2017, 01:46:04 AM
Post by: burakkucat on December 11, 2017, 06:29:20 PM
Post by: globula_neagra on December 25, 2017, 09:48:33 PM
Yes, it will work with any xDSL based service.
Thanks for the reply.
I tried different methods to make it work.
Used the 101 vlan, changed the type connection and so on, i need to mention that I do have the username and password from Voda, my last idea is that they gave a wrong username and pass.Tough the guy on the chat seemed that he copy pasted the username and pass.
It somehow connects as the routers pulls the IP and max speed for DL and UP but while I was looking in the logs is giving an error which I can`t recall fully now.
Is there a guide available somewhere or something that you can point me at for an idea to make it work?
Post by: burakkucat on December 25, 2017, 11:18:42 PM
Perhaps there is another member, actually using one of those devices, who will be able to assist you.
Post by: machare on December 27, 2017, 11:37:42 PM
General
Active Yes
Name : VDSL (Greyed out)
Type : ADSL/VDSL over PTM (Greyed out)
Mode : Routing
Encapsulation: PPPoE
IPv6/IPv4 Mode: IP6/IPv4 DualStack
PPP Information
PPP User Name : dsl000123456@broadband.vodafone.co.uk
PPP Password :
PPP Trigger Type : Auto Connect
Authentication Method: Auto
IDLE Timeout [minutes]: 5 (Greyed out)
PPPoE Service Name : Blank
PPPoE Passthrough : Blank
IP Address
Obtain an IP Address Automatically (Selected)
Static IP Address : Blank
Subnet Mask : Blank
Gateway IP Address : Blank
Routing Feature
NAT Enable: Selected
Fullcone NAT Enable : Blank
IGMP Proxy Enable: Selected
Apply as Default Gateway: Selected
DNS server
DNS: Dynamic
DNS Server 1 : Blank
DNS Server 2 : Blank
IPv6 Address
IPv6 Address: Automatic
Get IPv6 from DHCPv6 Server (A_NA) Not selected
Prefix Delegation (A_PD) Selected
IPv6 Routing Feature
MLD Proxy Enable: Blank
Apply as Default Gateway: Blank
IPv6 DNS Server :
IPv6 DNS: Dynamic
IPv6 DNS Server 1: Blank
IPv6 DNS Server 2: Blank
VLAN
Active : Yes
802.1p : 0
802.1q : 101
QoS
Rate Limit : blank
WAN Outgoing Default Tag : Disable
802.1p Blank (Greyed out)
DSCP : Blank (Greyed out)
MTU
MTU Size : 1492
Bridge and Routing mode in the same WAN
Enable Con-current WAN (not selected)
Post by: globula_neagra on December 28, 2017, 09:17:29 PM
Is it important ?
Post by: burakkucat on December 28, 2017, 10:29:56 PM
Here is a link to the Wikipedia page for IEEE P802.1p (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_P802.1p), which will tell you all. :)