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Computer Software => Windows 10 => Topic started by: tbailey2 on July 28, 2015, 08:59:05 PM
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Windows 10 in Nvidia driver train wreck just 48 hours from big launch
Unstoppable auto-updates? More like auto-borkage
From The Register
Windows 10's automatic updates feature has clashed with Nvidia's driver system, causing the new operating system to jump the tracks just days before it officially launches on Friday.
Early adopters are experiencing glitches (particularly in multi-monitor setups) and in some cases crashes tied to the automatic update of an Nvidia graphic cards driver on Windows 10.
For more info see:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/28/windows_10_update_nvidia_driver_conflict/ (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/28/windows_10_update_nvidia_driver_conflict/)
All of my desktops have Nvidia cards so won't be upgrading anytime soon.... :'(
There's another interesting article on Win 10 from El Reg here (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/16/windows_10_the_stealth_browser_infiltration_plan/).
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Cheers Tony i'll be sure to delay my upgrade.
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No problems on my W10 test system, but it is a fairly old Nvidia GeForce card.
I am running Nvidia GeForce Experience and it did update something today.....
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Early adopters are experiencing glitches (particularly in multi-monitor setups) and in some cases crashes tied to the automatic update of an Nvidia graphic cards driver on Windows 10.
The misfiring Windows Update software push has sparked howls of protests from users through Nvidia forums and elsewhere.
The issue stems from a push-me-pull-you conflict between Windows Update and Nvidia’s own driver and software management tool, Nvidia GeForce Experience.
Oh gawd. I'm not a fan of the windows updater version of GeForce. Ive suffered big time before at the hands of Win7 auto updating GeForce and nvidia drivers.
Its the one reason why now I never ever do any windows NVidia updates.
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Latest I have read is that MS are now going to allow 'Auto Updates' to be defered for anything other than security related updates etc.
Microsoft caused controversy when it suggested people using the Home version of its system would have to add new features as they became available.
Matters were not helped when it explicitly said businesses would be able to wait until "quality and application compatibility has been assessed in the consumer market".
That led some bloggers to accuse Microsoft of treating the public like "guinea pigs".
But on the eve of Windows 10's release, Microsoft told the BBC it had added an option to defer all Home Edition updates, security fixes aside.
There remains, however, an incentive to buy the Pro or Enterprise versions, as their owners will be able to control which specific features are added.
[From BBC News Report]
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Today, two of my Windows-10 eligible machines have told me they can't yet update to Windows 10, reason given is that the Manufacturer (Nvidia!) "hasn't released a driver for Windows 10".
So at least it won't be breaking lots of computers today. not with duff Nvidia drivers, anyway.
Just about to back up the hard disk, swap for a different spare graphics card, and see if the Windows 10 upgrade will run.
Ian
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Today, two of my Windows-10 eligible machines have told me they can't yet update to Windows 10, reason given is that the Manufacturer (Nvidia!) "hasn't released a driver for Windows 10".
So at least it won't be breaking lots of computers today. not with duff Nvidia drivers, anyway.
Just about to back up the hard disk, swap for a different spare graphics card, and see if the Windows 10 upgrade will run.
Ian
I seem to remember that once you have upgraded to Win 10, you cannot go back to the previous OS as Win 10 will invalidate the serial number for any previous OS. So a restore doesn't work.. I might be wrong but saw it somewhere.
Also check The Register for further disaster stories....
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I seem to remember that once you have upgraded to Win 10, you cannot go back to the previous OS as Win 10 will invalidate the serial number for any previous OS. So a restore doesn't work.. I might be wrong but saw it somewhere.
You're not wrong, I read that too.
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I seem to remember that once you have upgraded to Win 10, you cannot go back to the previous OS as Win 10 will invalidate the serial number for any previous OS. So a restore doesn't work.. I might be wrong but saw it somewhere.
You're not wrong, I read that too.
Thank you! Just as a precaution in case of any disasters, I've picked up a couple of Key by-e-mail-only win8.1 Pro licences off ebay for £29.95 each. Have used them before with no problems, just check the seller's feedback first though. ..
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Still awaiting here for the download all I can see is ->
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Sorry for going OT ..... one word ..... Apple ..... as you were. ;) ;D ;D ;D
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Apples can go rotten to :P
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and did I say it guys
oh boy I did
disaster waiting to happen enforcing drivers via windows updates.
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Apples can go rotten to :P
pmsl, Ron. ;D ;D
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'Fix these Windows 10 Horrors': Readers turn their guns on Redmond
Readership turns to Microsoft as one and asks 'what are you DOING?'
The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/30/win10_real_users_mail/)
I tried the Win10 'upgrade' on a laptop I don't use a lot. It went ahead with the upgrade...
It's now sitting there blue screening and rebooting continuously :crazy: :comp:
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I tried the Win10 'upgrade' on a laptop I don't use a lot. It went ahead with the upgrade...
It's now sitting there blue screening and rebooting continuously :crazy: :comp:
I would prefer the option to download and then burn it onto a DVD as an ISO.
Can you gain access to the laptops C: drive at all ?
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No, it seems to have lost its boot sector as well as the will to live (spinning disk, not SSD).
Attempts at repairing it with various utilities have so far been unsuccessful. I'll try a restore off the last backup and see what happens. Fortunately, there's nothing vital on it that isn't elsewhere.
I generally use it for odd jobs like updating modem firmware etc ;)
Not a very good omen though :( I'm really quite happy with 8.1 (the laptop is W7 tho), had very little problems with it, faster than W7 and with Classic Start Menu, hardly ever see a tile or other MS annoyance ....
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God knows what microsoft were thinking with live upgrades, its always been recommended to clean install windows. I guess also people are upgrading manually? because all my systems with the system tray app have no offered me to upgrade.
Also the recommended practice with drivers is to only upgrade them for a specific fix to a problem yet they distribute drivers willy nilly on windows update.
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The thing is as I understand it W10 is supposed to be the last version of Windows, and it will just upgrade as times goes by so MS need to get it right. Some how with all the different combinations of hardware I think there will always be problems, this is why Apple has an easier ride because they control the hardware.
My W10 preview laptop refused to update a few weeks ago, but then it did with the next release version. I haven't tried the final release on any of my systems yet and probably won't for a while.
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I guess also people are upgrading manually? because all my systems with the system tray app have no offered me to upgrade.
All my machines are now showing this when I dbl-click the system tray icon...
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mine is still hosed.
Basically I killed the process on my desktop yesterday and today it restarted itself, however same issue, a window saying please wait with the animation frozen, laptop has exact same issue lol, will do a screenshot.
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Don't know what your next step will be tony, from reading a bit more you can opt for upgrade or save to DVD or usb as ISO but the issue comes when upgrading from the ISO disk you need the product key which is only given when you have fully upgraded from previous MS versions 7/8.1 ???
I hope win10 does not mess with my bootloader as it's a dual boot system but can repair the bootloader from old recovery disks if need be by using
bootrec.exe /fixmbr
bootrec.exe /rebuildbcd
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apparently it does mess with the bootloader, as some people who tried to downgrade again had issues with the mbr.
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Sorry for going OT ..... one word ..... Apple ..... as you were. ;) ;D ;D ;D
I’ve managed to upgrade my Win 7 32 bit and Win 8.1 64 bit systems as well as my insider preview system. I used the ISO image for the first two and Windows Update for the preview with no issues. Of course they all run under Parallels Desktop for Mac, so were bound to be successful! :P Sorry for my impertinence, please don’t ban me from the board. ;) :fingers:
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apparently it does mess with the bootloader, as some people who tried to downgrade again had issues with the mbr.
Thanks Chry in that case it's a good time to re-install easybcd and make a backup of the bootloader.
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so guys thoughts on my pic? :)
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Sorry for going OT ..... one word ..... Apple ..... as you were. ;) ;D ;D ;D
I’ve managed to upgrade my Win 7 32 bit and Win 8.1 64 bit systems as well as my insider preview system. I used the ISO image for the first two and Windows Update for the preview with no issues. Of course they all run under Parallels Desktop for Mac, so were bound to be successful! :P Sorry for my impertinence, please don’t ban me from the board. ;) :fingers:
vic whats the build number now for the preview? and when did the update get detected.
thanks.
As I am confused, many people said insiders got the rtm a week or so ago 10240 build, but others are saying they got another new build after release.
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so guys thoughts on my pic? :)
I've not been offered the upgrade either so I just checked on mine. I was about to report exactly same thing as you with the dead spinny wheel.... and was just about to type to say so... but I'd left the window open in the other monitor and as Im typing its just this minute changed to this:=
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so I should leave it alone for longer?
on my laptop its been about 6 hours and on pc about 3 hours.
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-win_upgrade/windows-10-app-just-says-please-wait-and-is-frozen/cb50e061-b2e4-4fe2-b778-3521ddd9fb97?auth=1
also note his screenshot for windows updates saying reserved, mine also show that.
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so guys thoughts on my pic? :)
The update software is fecked ;)
My annoying windows 10 reserved icon on Windows 8.1 taskbar has not appeared since yesterday 29/7/2015 and as yet it still says we will let you know when it's ready in windows update my guess it's confused
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Sorry for going OT ..... one word ..... Apple ..... as you were. ;) ;D ;D ;D
I’ve managed to upgrade my Win 7 32 bit and Win 8.1 64 bit systems as well as my insider preview system. I used the ISO image for the first two and Windows Update for the preview with no issues. Of course they all run under Parallels Desktop for Mac, so were bound to be successful! :P Sorry for my impertinence, please don’t ban me from the board. ;) :fingers:
vic whats the build number now for the preview? and when did the update get detected.
thanks.
As I am confused, many people said insiders got the rtm a week or so ago 10240 build, but others are saying they got another new build after release.
It's Build 10240. I was notified in the normal manner that an update was available about a week ago I think, but just installed yesterday. All hints of the preview edition are removed and the system is activated. I got the ISOs by logging into the Insider site and there was a link to the released builds as well.
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I think I am screwed as my insider build isnt activated, I think microsoft stance is if you didnt activate earlier on then you screwed.
Also I cannot find any iso's of 10240 on the insider site, MS said that build is not for clean installing.
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Ive got the dead spinning wheel again.
However if I go directly to Windows update via Run > wupdate I see this.
I also checked to see that I have KB3035583 installed - which I do. For date reference if you want to check yours - mine was 23/05/2015
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I just forced the update on one of my systems as follows:
Run command as admin (you know how ;) )
wuauclt.exe/updatenow
close the window and wait for WU to kick in.
Had to do it twice as the first time errored part way (server overload?)
I also cleared out the WU download directory beforehand as advised in several places, then rebooted: c:\windows\softwaredistribution\download folder.
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Sorry HPsauce done everything you said and zero result nothing coming in or being downloaded on windows 8.1 ???
Update that get windows 10 icon has appeared on the taskbar again.
Check windows update and I get windows defender update again :D
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I think I am screwed as my insider build isnt activated, I think microsoft stance is if you didnt activate earlier on then you screwed.
Also I cannot find any iso's of 10240 on the insider site, MS said that build is not for clean installing.
Received an email this morning from MS Insider on the public release info. It's long, but contained the link to the ISO download page.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10ISO?OCID=WIP_r_Win10_Body_AddPC (http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10ISO?OCID=WIP_r_Win10_Body_AddPC)
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I've used that link to create a selection of DVD's.
The 32-bit or 64-bit versions of the tool seem to refer to the system you are running on, not the target version you want to create.
On my 64-bit system the 32-bit version wouldn't run. And the 64-bit version created both 32- and 64-bit ISOs for me.
You do get an option to create a "both" version, but it's too big to fit on a standard 4.7GB DVD.
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Ive got the dead spinning wheel again.
However if I go directly to Windows update via Run > wupdate I see this.
I also checked to see that I have KB3035583 installed - which I do. For date reference if you want to check yours - mine was 23/05/2015
I've a much more recent date for KB3035583 - 15/07/2015 is the install date for me. (Updates set to automatic).
Tho I've got other issues here (still can't get it to rescan and realise the incompatible graphics card is no longer present) so :comp:
Ian
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I think I am screwed as my insider build isnt activated, I think microsoft stance is if you didnt activate earlier on then you screwed.
Also I cannot find any iso's of 10240 on the insider site, MS said that build is not for clean installing.
Received an email this morning from MS Insider on the public release info. It's long, but contained the link to the ISO download page.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10ISO?OCID=WIP_r_Win10_Body_AddPC (http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10ISO?OCID=WIP_r_Win10_Body_AddPC)
yep already made iso from that, but thats nothing to do with insider's its the tool for general release and requires installation on a pre activated machine for it to activate.
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I think I am screwed as my insider build isnt activated, I think microsoft stance is if you didnt activate earlier on then you screwed.
Also I cannot find any iso's of 10240 on the insider site, MS said that build is not for clean installing.
Received an email this morning from MS Insider on the public release info. It's long, but contained the link to the ISO download page.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10ISO?OCID=WIP_r_Win10_Body_AddPC (http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10ISO?OCID=WIP_r_Win10_Body_AddPC)
Many thanks for the link.
I will download the iso and hold fire on doing the upgrade until the teething problems have been solved. :)
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yep already made iso from that, but thats nothing to do with insider's its the tool for general release and requires installation on a pre activated machine for it to activate.
Sorry didn’t fully appreciate that. I did attempt a reinstall the original preview ISO which worked, but it is not activated and there is no sign of the upgrade to the release version, just the defender update as you say. I also had a poke around in my original insider preview version which has been upgraded and noticed that the Diagnostic and Data usage options are greyed out, marked as being managed by the Windows Insider Program. So maybe this instance of the OS is not quite ours to do with as we please after all!
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MS said that build is not for clean installing.
Just to see if I could do a clean install on an existing Windows 10 system, I cloned the HDD and ran setup from the mounted ISO. I chose not to keep any data or programs and I ended up with a shiny new vanilla system. It was already activated too. :)
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Has anyone tried downgrading/reverting to the original OS and determining if the key is still valid, assuming it's even possible? Opinions on the net seem to vary.
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Has anyone tried downgrading/reverting to the original OS and determining if the key is still valid, assuming it's even possible? Opinions on the net seem to vary.
Worked for me. I took the Windows 10 VM which I had upgraded from Windows 7 and did a reinstall from the original Win 7 DVD and using the original key. The installation proceeded and accepted the key. Once complete I was able to activate ok. Bear in mind this is using a virtual environment, but I don't think that should matter.
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Has anyone tried downgrading/reverting to the original OS and determining if the key is still valid, assuming it's even possible? Opinions on the net seem to vary.
Worked for me. I took the Windows 10 VM which I had upgraded from Windows 7 and did a reinstall from the original Win 7 DVD and using the original key. The installation proceeded and accepted the key. Once complete I was able to activate ok. Bear in mind this is using a virtual environment, but I don't think that should matter.
Okay thanks. I'm not going to try anything yet anyway but nice to know.
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Windows 10 working fine/activated on both my desktop and laptop. Desktop upgraded from Windows 8.1 Pro, laptop upgraded from Windows 7 Pro.
I used a 10240 ISO to upgrade - downloading updates afterwards, that worked well for me. Windows 10 updates did crash my laptop when it tried to install an nVidia GT 750M driver so I had to go into safe mode and turn the card off - now using Intel CPU graphics. Basically everything went pretty well, especially on the desktop PC. :)
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Which version are people choosing? I've got Windows 10 Pro. I previously had Windows 7 64bit installed on the computer.. So which should I select from the options listed?
Windows 10, Windows 10 KN, Windows 10 N, or Windows Single Language?
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Which version are people choosing? I've got Windows 10 Pro. I previously had Windows 7 64bit installed on the computer.. So which should I select from the options listed?
Windows 10, Windows 10 KN, Windows 10 N, or Windows Single Language?
Go for window 10 Pro if you match the upgrade in the MS matrix. Forget the N versions. (Stupid EU nonsense). The single lang version is ok if you will never need to install other language versions of Win 10.
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Thanks mate :)
Will do.