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Broadband Related => Broadband Hardware => Topic started by: michty_me on June 17, 2015, 03:25:13 AM

Title: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on June 17, 2015, 03:25:13 AM
This is a follow up thread to a link another member posted on the D6400 thread. This looks very interesting.

http://www.netgear.co.uk/home/products/networking/dsl-modems-routers/D7000.aspx

According to this article, It is released in the EU.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150615005001/en/NETGEAR-Launches-Nighthawk-AC1900-WiFi-VDSLADSL-Modem#.VYDa-vlVhBc

I spoke to Netgear and they are unsure when it is getting a UK release date and pricing to go with it.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: mjgr33n on June 17, 2015, 11:14:20 AM
Awesome
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: mjgr33n on June 18, 2015, 07:30:24 PM
http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/products/22319-netgear-d7000-100uks/ £185.94 / £154.95 ex vat
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on June 18, 2015, 10:02:28 PM
Thanks for the link. That wasn't there a day or two ago so looks like it could be out soon hopefully. You thinking of getting it or sticking with the d6400?
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: mjgr33n on June 18, 2015, 11:09:08 PM
Thanks for the link. That wasn't there a day or two ago so looks like it could be out soon hopefully. You thinking of getting it or sticking with the d6400?

Don't have the money at the moment, too much travelling then got massive tax bill then got screwed on a new contract job that got put on the back burner by HP, hopefully got new job soon with a different company, by the time I do have some spare cash am sure the D7800 will be out too and can decide then although I don't really need anything more powerful than the D7000.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: Buckchoi on June 18, 2015, 11:29:38 PM
Be aware that the D7800 is not Broadcom based.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on June 18, 2015, 11:39:23 PM
Be aware that the D7800 is not Broadcom based.

Which would it be? Lantiq? Ikanos?
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on June 18, 2015, 11:40:45 PM
Thanks for the link. That wasn't there a day or two ago so looks like it could be out soon hopefully. You thinking of getting it or sticking with the d6400?

Don't have the money at the moment, too much travelling then got massive tax bill then got screwed on a new contract job that got put on the back burner by HP, hopefully got new job soon with a different company, by the time I do have some spare cash am sure the D7800 will be out too and can decide then although I don't really need anything more powerful than the D7000.

I'll probably be getting it upon release. If it has the same throughput at the range my Asus does, The Asus will be sold on.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: Buckchoi on June 18, 2015, 11:58:48 PM
Be aware that the D7800 is not Broadcom based.

Which would it be? Lantiq? Ikanos?

Lantiq.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on June 19, 2015, 12:42:26 AM
Many thanks for your input. Looks like they have both bases covered then!
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: adrenalize on July 16, 2015, 08:20:40 AM
Come down to £165 and stock tomorrow (not sure if a few units shipped yesterday or just  pre-order). Mine should be here next week.

My EO line has just had a cab fitted and I've ordered VDSL so will report back whenever my line is enabled.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on July 16, 2015, 08:29:34 AM
Hi

Yes keeping an eye on this one as well.  My ZyXEL 8924 is proving good but only if left absolutely alone, unfortunately with working from home often and my type of work I'm needing to dip in to the interface quite a bit to add port forward rules etc, and 9 times out of 10 this works fine, the other 1 out of 10 the Web UI stops responding and a few minutes later the router crashes and needs rebooting which takes several minutes.  So every time I need to do something in the Web UI it is always with some trepidation. I've also had, maybe once every 30 days or so, an unexplained reboot, the last time this happened I was on a Skype conference call and it didn't look good to disappear for many minutes.

Regards

Phil
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 16, 2015, 08:48:32 AM
I noticed CCLOnline claim to have stock just now with others stating tomorrow. I'll be ordering it soon too I think
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 16, 2015, 10:35:12 AM
Does anyone know what Ebuyers returns policy is like? They have stock and can deliver tomorrow but after being unimpressed with the D6400 and being lumped with a non-returnable Asus DSL-AC68U,I just want to make sure I'm covered
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on July 16, 2015, 11:44:58 AM
Hi

Well by law the distant selling act comes into play so we have 7 days to inspect goods ordered online, and that includes opening them and trying them out and returning them if we want, sometimes companies don't not refund carriages.  How well they handle it and how easy it is with Ebuyer is another issue.

Regards

Phil
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 16, 2015, 12:09:25 PM
Thanks Phil,

I'll contemplate ordering with them. I'll wait and see what happens with stock arrival tomorrow at other companies first though. Thanks
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: GigabitEthernet on July 16, 2015, 01:05:54 PM
The Distance Selling Regulations don't exist anymore.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on July 16, 2015, 01:18:15 PM
Hi

The Distance Selling Regulations don't exist anymore.

Learn something new everyday, although the options are still available for returning goods as it has been bettered by new UK laws from what I can gather.

Still the whole experience can be pain free (Amazon are fantastic) or pretty painful (BroadbandBuyer were not good to deal with a return).

Regards

Phil
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on July 16, 2015, 01:34:23 PM
Hi

I've just ordered one with CCLOnline as they had them for next day now, they didn't earlier, do delivery tomorrow, I'll be sure to feed back.

Regards

Phil
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: adrenalize on July 16, 2015, 02:33:33 PM
Yes my CCLOnline one was shipped today - ordered late last night after cancelling Amazon! Sometimes difficult to understand what the numbers mean for stock! Was a skinflint though and went for free shipping :-\
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on July 16, 2015, 03:00:25 PM
Hi

Yes their stock levels [CCLOnline] are a little confusing.  Earlier today they said they had stock but not available for collection for 2 days and delivery earliest was Saturday, then later today when I looked it had changed to collection today and delivery options for tomorrow.  So it would seem the stock arrived today when they were expecting it tomorrow and it arrived a day early, or more than likely it was always expected today, but as it could arrive anytime up to late today and too late for dispatch, they play safe and add an extra day.

Regards

Phil

Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 16, 2015, 04:58:02 PM
Looking forward to seeing how you all get on with it.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 17, 2015, 02:51:04 PM
I noticed the date for the amazon stock has changed to the 21st. Think I'll go place my order now.
Has yours turned up yet?
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on July 17, 2015, 04:03:10 PM
Hi

Yes turned up lunchtime.  It's fairly large, the design is the same as the R7000 router, but it doesn't need to be as large as it is, whereas the router version has a full length heat-sink running along the base with fins filling the angled sides, this one is devoid of such a heat-sink, with a much smaller heat-sink on   the main Broadcom chip which doesn't extend very far, this is on the bottom so the heat can't easily escape!  So impressions are of a big bit of cheap plastic with little inside as it isn't as heavy as the size might suggest.

It boots up quick, so certainly can tell it has a faster processor, not connected it up just yet, will do shortly.

Regards

Phil

Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on July 17, 2015, 04:25:07 PM
Hi

Connected and running all okay so far.  What is the trick to get Telnet so I can see the line stats?

Regards

Phil
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 17, 2015, 04:37:58 PM
Try this.

1) Download the unlock tool from here  https://github.com/LuKePicci/NetgearTelnetEnable/blob/master/binaries/windows/telnetenable.exe
2) Place file in C:\Windows\System32.
3) Login to netgear router and click advanced and look at the router information block. Take note of the MAC address in there.
4) This point I made a notepad file with the info if I ever need it again.
5) Open windows command prompt.
6) Type this without the quote marks "telnetenable.exe 192.168.0.1 {MAC ADDRESS of Router LAN Port - in step 3} {user id- default admin} {password- default password}
7) It should look like something like this - telnetenable.exe 192.168.0.1 000FB5A2BE26 admin password
8) Hit enter and you should get a message stating Payload has been sent to Netgear router. Telnet should be enabled.
9) Open DSL Stats, And go to config page. Select one of the netgear routers from the list and delete the username and password info. Hit the play button.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on July 17, 2015, 05:56:46 PM
Hi

Many thanks for the instructions for Telnet they worked great.

Now connected it up to the VDSL line and stats are identical to ZyXEL 8924, and speed tests are the same.  Not many advanced features in the Netgear WebUI, just the basics really, no options to tweak the ADSL or VDSL settings for example, the default config is:

Code: [Select]
Modulations:
        G.Dmt   Enabled
        G.lite  Enabled
        T1.413  Enabled
        ADSL2   Enabled
        AnnexL  Enabled
        ADSL2+  Enabled
        AnnexM  Enabled
        VDSL2   Enabled
VDSL2 profiles:
        8a      Enabled
        8b      Enabled
        8c      Enabled
        8d      Enabled
        12a     Enabled
        12b     Enabled
        17a     Enabled
        30a     Enabled
        US0     Enabled
Phone line pair:
        Inner pair
Capability:
        bitswap         On
        sra             Off
        trellis         On
        sesdrop         Off
        CoMinMgn        Off
        24k             On
        phyReXmt(Us/Ds) Off/On
        Ginp(Us/Ds)     On/On
        TpsTc           AvPvAa
        monitorTone:    On
        dynamicD:       On
        dynamicF:       On
        SOS:            On
        Training Margin(Q4 in dB):      -1(DEFAULT)

If I can provide any more info let me know.  Time will tell how stable it is, but not a single reboot so far, unlike the ZyXEL that was rather prone to rebooting.

Regards

Phil

Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 17, 2015, 06:02:26 PM
Sounds good then. I believe this has a new broadcom chip in it. My one is due for delivery on Wednesday so I can put up a direct comparison with my Asus dsl-ac68u. It's been running around a week so far.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: clithes on July 17, 2015, 06:13:00 PM
Does this not work anymore to get into debug mode on Netgears?

http://192.168.0.1/setup.cgi?todo=debug

Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on July 17, 2015, 06:15:23 PM
Hi

I tried that and it says "Debug enabled!", it is a command I remember from a few years ago, not sure if it did enable Telnet as I had already enabled it via the other method.

Pings to the BBC that were a consistent 12ms have dropped to 10ms, not sure if connected, and my BQM on Thinkbroadband shows pings lower than before.

Regards

Phil
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: clithes on July 17, 2015, 06:19:40 PM
Either way you're in!

Will be keen to know how it performs, i'm thinking of upgrading my D6200 which is currently linked to an HG612 to access VDSL
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: GigabitEthernet on July 17, 2015, 06:30:13 PM
Good to see NETGEAR gave gone back to the old telnet method rather than that weird cmd thing they had for a while :)
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on July 18, 2015, 10:27:56 AM
Hi

My review for what it's worth:

Build quality observations

Make no mistake, Netgear have made the D7000 as cheaply as possible, it doesn't feel like a £170 router/modem.  The plastic is flimsy, it uses the same case as used on the R7000, but doesn't need to, so the result is a huge footprint of mostly empty space.  Whereas on the R7000 a large heat-sink takes the heat out to the lattice/vented edges so they have some purpose (see image here http://gadget-help.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sm.in_3.600.JPG), this is not the case on the D7000. On the D7000 those lattice tapered sides contain fresh-air, and a tiny cheap unpainted aluminium sheet of metal attaches to the Broadcom SoC that faces downwards on the underside of the circuit board.  Whilst the newer CPU probably runs cooler and doesn't need as large a heat-sink, the heat-sink however is effectively sandwiched between the bottom of the router and whatever surface it is placed on (rubber feet lift the case by a only around a millimeter), and it gets pretty warm underneath and that is without it doing very much work.  All those lattice vents resulting in an over-sized box do not help in cooling, but the lighter weight caused by an insignificant heat sink adding little ballast, makes it feel very cheap and light.

The Ethernet ports are made from the thinnest plastic (on the R7000 router they are metal).  The antennas, to save a fraction of a penny, have nickle rather than gold plated threads, which isn't best practice for GHz frequencies.

Another knod to this being made as cheaply as possible is that the circuit board is not the trademarked Netgear blue variety, but bog standard green.  Why does this matter?  It suggests strongly the design and manufacturer of the board has been outsourced, and boards that vary from the standard green colour normally cost a few cents more, or may not even be an option from some cheaper fabrication manufacturers. So make of that what you will.

The LED indicators look good however would light up the Albert Hall, there is a switch to turn them off, but the power LED is still lit and bright, they didn't think to dim it when turning the others off.  No option to have the LEDs turn on and off by a schedule like the ZyXEL.

The D7000 feels like it should be sold for half the price, there is nothing about it that suggests a premium product.

Operation

It's been pretty solid so far, no settings I've changed needed a reboot, and no unexplained reboots, and the Web UI responds quickly.  However, the settings available are few, there are no Advanced settings despite their being a menu option for them, they aren't Advanced. The D7000 lacks a lot of router features, for example no VLAN options, no proper Firewall settings for adding in/out rules (which was once common on all Netgear products), no option to send out custom DNS servers to clients, it just defaults to always using the router as a DNS proxy, no option for additional subnets.  A lot of Advanced Wi-Fi settings are missing, Guest networks are limited to just one on each band. No backup 3G option.  Oddly with a bit of poking around a lot of these features are there by navigating to the Html page directly, including options for 3G dongles, although that doesn't mean the options work of course.  They've done the absolute minimum to get it to market.

The Web UI is essentially unchanged from 15 years ago, apart from the menus being changed with some new graphics, all the settings pages are the same old poorly formatted Html, has Netgear really not put any investiment into this area in 15 years!  An example of poor quality control, they have tabs for Basic and Advanced which have a solid 1 pixel border around them, clearly a mistake as they are shades of grey with rounded corners as used else where, it looks sloppy and doesn't inspire confidence, it would take 30 seconds to fix the markup (I've already done it and tested it in Chrome's developer tools), the fact they haven't indicates how much time and effort they spend on their products and what their quality control must be like.

Netgear Genie (app for Android and iPads) allows access to even less settings, and the irony here is if they spent some money on their Web UI and used a responsive design (like Bootstrap), the Web UI would work perfectly on a mobile device so you wouldn't need an app!

Wi-Fi

For all it's over-sized antennas and lofty claims over Wi-Fi speeds, it performs no differently to the ZyXEL it replaced although I didn't expect it to be any better.  Range seems much the same and so far Wi-Fi devices have connected with no issues.

Modem

Only tried on VDSL, however the D7000 gives the same SNR and speeds as the ZyXEL, and it has been stable, however my line is fairly short so I'm not taxing the modem at all.  No settings are available in the Web UI for changing an ADSL/VDSL parameters. For VDSL/ADSL tweaking it would need Telnet to change those settings and I expect they would be lost on each reboot.  Getting into Telnet is a hassle requiring the TelnetEnabler.exe, the older Url short cut suggests it works, however Telnet then asks for a password if enabled this way, which isn't the password used to login to the Web UI, so that doesn't help.

Conclusion

It's a lot of money for what you actually get.  There may be more benefit for anyone wanting to use USB3 drives and turn it into a NAS and so putting the 1GHz processors to better use, but the extra money the D7000 costs could be saved on something just as capable but cheaper and probablyl better build quality, and buying a dedicated NAS box.

Think I will stick with the ZyXEL and hope firmware updates make it more stable.

Regards

Phil






Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 18, 2015, 11:42:03 AM
So not too impressive then. Pity they cheaped out on everything. I was hoping for something better. I think I'll take delivery of it and give it a test. See how it goes.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: GigabitEthernet on July 18, 2015, 11:58:25 AM
Sounds like typical NETGEAR I'm afraid :(
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 18, 2015, 12:03:46 PM
I know their GUI is rather on the lacking side. I could see that from the D6400.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on July 18, 2015, 12:23:25 PM
Hi

So not too impressive then. Pity they cheaped out on everything. I was hoping for something better. I think I'll take delivery of it and give it a test. See how it goes.

Of course it is just my opinion, I'll be interested if you think the same.  To be fair it has worked and so far been stable, but it's just too lacking really for the price, plus I need access to a few more router options than Netgear seem to want to provide, even though it's all built in to the Broadcom software stack.  I suppose the less features the cheaper it is to tweak the UI Html to suit the new SoC and cheaper to test (if you browse the Html directory via Telnet there are references to older products).  Obviously the vast majority of people don't use or need a lot of settings, but on a premium router they should be there in my opinion.

So no not impressed, I wanted to be, but considering the ZyXEL cost £35 less and comes with VoIP and all the settings any network semi-pro might need, in a much more appropriate form factor, and with Wi-Fi which in practice (ignoring the marketing hype on advertised top Wi-Fi speeds) works at the same speeds anyway as the D7000, it just seems very overpriced.   ZyXEL just need to get the firmware a bit more stable, still some rough edges with it that can trip it into a reboot.

The D7000 case is actually a pretty good bit of design, it looks to take up less space than it actually does, but when it's half fresh air and unnecessary it just seems to be bigger than required for no other reason than a), they've already got the molding tools and brand awareness from the R7000, and b) bigger cases for consumer routers seem to be what people expect given the "newer" tech they contain. 

Quote
I know their GUI is rather on the lacking side. I could see that from the D6400.

Yes, it basically is the same Html served up in an iFrame they've been using for 15 years, but with a lot less features and options, mostly these are still there in the Html but not exposed in the Web UI to get to, and of course no guarantee the pages work anyway.  I noticed the R7000 in it's release notes on newer firmware version got VLAN options, so some more advance options might appear on the D7000, then again they might not.

Regards

Phil


Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on July 18, 2015, 12:27:46 PM
Sounds like typical NETGEAR I'm afraid :(

Yes it seems they've not improved much over the years.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: mjgr33n on July 18, 2015, 01:50:44 PM
Got mine this morning, so far so good, just as stable and fast on the VDSL side as the Netgear D6400 but with much faster boot up, web ui load up and the most awesome improvement is that when you apply 99% of settings it does not reboot the router, yay )))))

Also get better speed tests than the D6400 which I think is just down to the improved processor speeds, basically it can handle all the [COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR][COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR][COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR][COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR] you throw at it.

Wireless speeds are amazing, tested it using my laptop with Intel Wireless-AC 7260 which is only 2 internal antennas and trying to download a 27GB movie form my Media Server from a room on a different floor and the other side of the house though 2 walls and a ceiling I was getting around 40 to 50MB/s so peaking around 400Mbit from a distance, tests to speedtest.net only added on around 2ms from LAN connection is this scenario also and download and upload where at max i.e. 74.99/18.76 etc so no loss there either.

So basically finally have a device that has all the speeds of the ASUS DSL-AC68U but with the Stability of the Netgear D6400, obviously not quite a customisable as the ASUS but certainly slightly more than the D6400.

If anybody wants any other stats let me know etc.

But my conclusion is it is worth it for me at lest it does what I want it to and I think form everything michty_me has said this will probably the router for him ))) :P

There is now a diagnostics page which is nice here is ping result form google.com IP.

Code: [Select]
PING 31.55.184.248 (31.55.184.248): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 31.55.184.248: seq=0 ttl=61 time=8.275 ms
64 bytes from 31.55.184.248: seq=1 ttl=61 time=8.703 ms
64 bytes from 31.55.184.248: seq=2 ttl=61 time=8.155 ms
64 bytes from 31.55.184.248: seq=3 ttl=61 time=8.198 ms

--- 31.55.184.248 ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 8.155/8.332/8.703 ms

Stats -

Code: [Select]
Stats recorded 18 Jul 2015 13:36:03

DSLAM/MSAN type:        BDCM:0xa48c / v0xa48c
Modem/router firmware:  AnnexA version - A2pvbH042b.d26b
DSL mode:                VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status:                  Showtime
Uptime:                 
Resyncs:                0 (since 18 Jul 2015 13:24:02)

Downstream Upstream
Line attenuation (dB):  9.3 0.0
Signal attenuation (dB): Not monitored
Connection speed (kbps): 79999 19999
SNR margin (dB):        9.6 15.3
Power (dBm):            12.8 -5.0
Interleave depth:        16 1
INP:                    48.00 0
G.INP:                  Enabled

RSCorr/RS (%):          0.0000 0.0011
RSUnCorr/RS (%):        0.0000 0.0000
ES/hour:                0 12.8

Telnet Data -

Code: [Select]
adslctl info --stats
adslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason:    0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 26113 Kbps, Downstream rate = 96469 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 79999 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        9.6             15.3
Attn(dB):        9.3             0.0
Pwr(dBm):        12.8           -5.0

                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           -6              26
B:              130             237
M:              1               1
T:              0               42
R:              8               16
S:              0.0518          0.3781
L:              21468           5374
D:              16              1
I:              139             127
N:              139             254
Q:              16              0
V:              14              0
RxQueue:                60              0
TxQueue:                20              0
G.INP Framing:          18              0
G.INP lookback:         20              0
RRC bits:               0               24
                        Bearer 1
MSGc:           186             -6
B:              0               0
M:              2               0
T:              2               0
R:              16              0
S:              5.3333          0.0000
L:              48              0
D:              3               0
I:              32              0
N:              32              0
Q:              0               0
V:              0               0
RxQueue:                0               0
TxQueue:                0               0
G.INP Framing:          0               0
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Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on July 18, 2015, 03:34:59 PM
Hi

Got mine this morning, so far so good, just as stable and fast on the VDSL side as the Netgear D6400 but with much faster boot up, web ui load up and the most awesome improvement is that when you apply 99% of settings it does not reboot the router, yay )))))

Also get better speed tests than the D6400 which I think is just down to the improved processor speeds, basically it can handle all the [COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR][COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR][COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR][COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR] you throw at it.

Glad it is working out for you.  Surprised you get better speed test results as mine were exactly the same compared to the HG612 which went via a Billion 7800 router, ZyXEL 8924 and now the D7000, and speed tests couldn't be any faster anyway given the 80/20 sync, so it sounds like the D6400 was particularly a bad performer then? 

I agree about the boot times though, much quicker, and nothing seemed to want a reboot, just wish it was a bit more of a router than an all-in-one plug in and go affair as I may be in a small minority, but I do tend to use some of the more fringe settings :)

Regards

Phil
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: mjgr33n on July 18, 2015, 03:49:55 PM
Hi

Got mine this morning, so far so good, just as stable and fast on the VDSL side as the Netgear D6400 but with much faster boot up, web ui load up and the most awesome improvement is that when you apply 99% of settings it does not reboot the router, yay )))))

Also get better speed tests than the D6400 which I think is just down to the improved processor speeds, basically it can handle all the [COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR][COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR][COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR][COLOR="Yellow"]*[/COLOR] you throw at it.

Glad it is working out for you.  Surprised you get better speed test results as mine were exactly the same compared to the HG612 which went via a Billion 7800 router, ZyXEL 8924 and now the D7000, and speed tests couldn't be any faster anyway given the 80/20 sync, so it sounds like the D6400 was particularly a bad performer then? 

I agree about the boot times though, much quicker, and nothing seemed to want a reboot, just wish it was a bit more of a router than an all-in-one plug in and go affair as I may be in a small minority, but I do tend to use some of the more fringe settings :)

Regards

Phil

No the D6400 was very good, download and upload where fine if only one was being tested, it just lost chunk of speed when using both and all the stuff that my networking required, did not happen on the ASUS but then the ASUS had some weird other issues.

I have a server at home that does most things I need anyway.

What is it that you need out of the D7000 which is not there?
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on July 18, 2015, 05:01:15 PM
Hi

Things I've used on the ZyXEL which don't appear on the D7000:

VLAN and Interface grouping, really handy for offering a mobile friendly guest network, all possible on the Billion and ZyXEL, but not the D7000.  They did add this to the R7000 after some time so it may arrive.

Have DHCP assign one internal DNS address and the backup as my ISP, this is so I can access from the LAN websites easily using their external host names from an internal DNS server.  No problem on a Billion or ZyXEL router, but can't do this on the Netgear.  Easy enough to work around by entering manual DNS servers on network settings on the PC, but it would be easier to have this assigned automatically.

Wake on LAN, that has saved me quite a few times and means I can log in remotely to my home PC without having to leave it on 'just in case' and ensure I remember to do so.  This feature I've seen on D-Link/Billion and of course the ZyXEL.

No option I could see to convert the unused WAN Ethernet port to a LAN port to have 5 LAN ports, the ZyXEL can do this.

Extend the Wi-Fi beacon interval, this helps reduce battery drain on mobile devices, again Billion and the ZyXEL routers expose this setting. There are lots of settings missing on the D7000 relating to Wi-Fi that all other routers usually expose.

Nice to have the option to plug in a 3G dongle, again Billion and the ZyXEL allow this, considering this is suppose to be a flag ship DSL router from Netgear, you'd think 3G dongles would be supported, it has the horse power to run the drivers. To be fair it isn't advertised with this feature, although I kind of thought it would be given.

Being able to view the VDSL line stats from within the Web GUI, as well as being able to see uptime, NAT session usage and CPU load, I couldn't see anywhere on the Netgear where this information is shown, yet all available on the ZyXEL.

There are loads of settings and statistics available on other routers that Netgear have not included on the D7000, yes the majority people will never need to delve into advanced settings, but some of us do from time to time, and given the price and power of the CPU, you'd think they'd make the effort to provide access to more of the router options to appeal to the biggest audience.

Of course the ZyXEL hasn't been without it's issues, but it's getting better.

Regards

Phil
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: mjgr33n on July 18, 2015, 06:12:39 PM
VLAN and Interface grouping, really handy for offering a mobile friendly guest network, all possible on the Billion and ZyXEL, but not the D7000.  They did add this to the R7000 after some time so it may arrive.

Being able to view the VDSL line stats from within the Web GUI, as well as being able to see uptime, NAT session usage and CPU load, I couldn't see anywhere on the Netgear where this information is shown, yet all available on the ZyXEL.

There are loads of settings and statistics available on other routers that Netgear have not included on the D7000, yes the majority people will never need to delve into advanced settings, but some of us do from time to time, and given the price and power of the CPU, you'd think they'd make the effort to provide access to more of the router options to appeal to the biggest audience.

Of course the ZyXEL hasn't been without it's issues, but it's getting better.

Yeah and weirdly enough I am sure you could add vlans on the D6400 but not the D7000 but maybe I remembered wrong.

I always have my server on so WOL is easy enough for me when I remote to it.

The problem with Netgear is they have a business section that does not like the Home products to have too many business type features, I have a WAC120 Access Point and it has far more Wireless features than any of the D Series routers and it is only £75, the other crazy thing is why release source code for all these combined router if you can't use the DSL side of things.

Netgear could easily open up these features as they have the people and expertise to do so. I agree about the WAN port being used as a LAN port that is annoying on so many routers, it should always be an option to bridge the WAN port with the 4 port switch to have an extra port :(

Anyway, luckily I am in a better situation than most in that I have a decent Windows Server at home with decent storage and many options to configure so the most important thing for me for a router is -

1). Has a stable connection.
2). Gives me fastest speed/latency for my line for gaming/torrents.
3). Supports Wireless AC but does not have to be super amazing, has to cope with a 2 foot cavity wall.
4). Does not reboot itself at every settings change.
5). Does not need DSL tweaking (all DSL units should just be auto really IMO).
6). Can access stats somehow (telnetenable and DSLStats is okay).
7). Has VPN of some sort (once ipv6 comes to my BT exchange then will not need, or at least I will give Direct Access a go).
8). Has DynDNS access (pretty much every router has though).

I wish more manufacturers would make separate decent modems then could just buy the best premium router out there, but it just does not happen at the moment, it may change in future, but I refuse to buy a HG612 lol :P

All in all though, with my above requirements it is perfect for me.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: adrenalize on July 23, 2015, 10:07:18 AM
Had a very quick play with my D7000 all OK so far.

I find with all these domestic routers you have to pick and choose the bits that suit you, which is unfortunate especially as I guess its due mainly to economics.

I've had hands on a couple of the VDSL ones (ZyXEL VMG8924 and the D7000) as well as a whole bunch of ADSL ones and all seem to have features missing or bugs.

I worked a long time ago in software engineering and some of these things should be such a simple fix and very frustrating when you see code reuse and hence bugs across several products.

My 'fibre' is only being connected next week so I'll see how it goes then (annoyingly self install so I'll have to grab my own SSFP!)
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: ricke17 on July 23, 2015, 10:13:22 AM
Has anyone managed to successfully set up IPTV using the D7000 - I am having major problems.  I have selected LAN 4 for IPTV and used the same settings there that are for my Internet (plusnet) and have run an ethernet cable from LAN 4 to the Youview box but the Youview box says it is not connected.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on July 23, 2015, 10:42:46 AM
Hi

Had a very quick play with my D7000 all OK so far.

I find with all these domestic routers you have to pick and choose the bits that suit you, which is unfortunate especially as I guess its due mainly to economics.

I've had hands on a couple of the VDSL ones (ZyXEL VMG8924 and the D7000) as well as a whole bunch of ADSL ones and all seem to have features missing or bugs.

I worked a long time ago in software engineering and some of these things should be such a simple fix and very frustrating when you see code reuse and hence bugs across several products.

My 'fibre' is only being connected next week so I'll see how it goes then (annoyingly self install so I'll have to grab my own SSFP!)

I think the best ADSL modem/router combo I had was the SpeedTouch 510v4 (going back a bit now), just worked and had from what I remember a really clear UI that was quite modern for the time, and was a revelation of convenience replacing a USB only ADSL modem and so allowing the Internet to be shared easily across the network, and it could still could give Netgear's Web UI a run for it's money :) 

Regards

Phil
   
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 24, 2015, 12:21:28 PM
Ok this is a little review for others not really looking on another forum site.

I'm all setup and doing well so it seems.

I've already gained back my speed lost through the Asus DSL-AC68U. It had my line profile slowly edging down since the beginning of the month 74Mb to 68Mb to 67Mb now 66Mb. The SNR on the Asus was all over the place and that was with all the ESNP settings on along side the firmware apparently optimised for broadcom exchanges.

Instantly back up to my 74Mb profile with the Netgear, pings have dropped but only by a ms or two and the SNR is solid again.

I've been carrying out various speed tests as this is where the D6400 let me down. I'm pretty pleased with this now as even out in my garage (Out the house and down the drive I'm getting full speeds on AC WiFi. 69.7Mb Down and 18.1Mb up compared to Asus 25Mb down and 18Mb up.

Away to test out the VPN function on Android as this is what I require. If that works fine then it looks like it is good bye Asus! Granted, I do prefer the extra options in the Asus which I will miss, Their GUI is very user friendly and looks nice. Stability is more important for me.

I can't seem to get DSL stats to work at the minute though and that is following my own guide lol.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: mjgr33n on July 24, 2015, 02:02:36 PM
I can't seem to get DSL stats to work at the minute though and that is following my own guide lol.

You need to click the 'Reset login configuration' button in DSLStats every time before you login with the D7000 for some reason I found.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 24, 2015, 04:20:10 PM
I got it working in the end. A silly error.
Seems to be rock solid.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: adrenalize on July 24, 2015, 10:58:52 PM

Away to test out the VPN function on Android as this is what I require. If that works fine then it looks like it is good bye Asus! Granted, I do prefer the extra options in the Asus which I will miss, Their GUI is very user friendly and looks nice. Stability is more important for me.


I've not had time to try or test the VPN yet - you may need to generate a config file but manually edit it for Android from what I have seen on another forum for the R7000 as it is not "officially" supported. I assume you are using OpenVPN on Android?
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: mjgr33n on July 24, 2015, 11:03:15 PM

Away to test out the VPN function on Android as this is what I require. If that works fine then it looks like it is good bye Asus! Granted, I do prefer the extra options in the Asus which I will miss, Their GUI is very user friendly and looks nice. Stability is more important for me.


I've not had time to try or test the VPN yet - you may need to generate a config file but manually edit it for Android from what I have seen on another forum for the R7000 as it is not "officially" supported. I assume you are using OpenVPN on Android?

You don't need to edit anything, just use https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.colucciweb.openvpn&hl=en or https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.colucciweb.free.openvpn&hl=en and you can use both the windows or non-windows generated files form the D7000 just fine. :)
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: ardsar on July 25, 2015, 09:30:30 AM
Been using the D7000 for around 15 hours now - it was switched on around 5pm on Friday. The changes can be observed on MyDSLWebstats - profile ardsar.

Initial observations -

1) S/N for downstream was approx. 1 db lower than what the Billion 8800NXL reported
2) Interleave was reduced from 801 to 531 (it has been stuck at 801 since around Christmas)
3) Performance seems good.

What I have noticed however is that the S/N usually drops by approx. 1dB at night and then recovers. On the D7000, the S/N has not been recovered. If I look at the S/N per tone graph, the areas that dip at night have recovered, however the bit loading graph seems to suggest that these areas are still poor (around tones 1700). Would this be why the S/N has not recovered this morning?
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 25, 2015, 06:45:53 PM
I'm not too sure Ardsar, I'm unsure about tones and bit loading. I need to read up on that side of things. Sorry I couldn't help.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 26, 2015, 12:05:05 PM
Ardsar,

I've also noticed that my SNR is around 1dB lower on this device than the HG612. I'll need to confirm this later by reconnecting the HG612 but if I remember right, I was sitting at approx 7.5dB with that and now I'm around 6.3dB.

I think there may be a slight issue with sync rates as it appears I've lost a chunk from the down and up stream attainable.

D6400:

Max:    Upstream rate = 26040 Kbps, Downstream rate = 80441 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 74000 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps

D7000:

Max:    Upstream rate = 16707 Kbps, Downstream rate = 75277 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 16730 Kbps, Downstream rate = 74000 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps

Other users on Whirlpool forums have noticed the same. I'm not too worried about it as I'm still syncing well above what my Asus device could and it is far more stable.
Title: Netgear D7000
Post by: ardsar on July 26, 2015, 02:27:01 PM
My concern is that when the s/n drops in the evening it doesn't seem to fully recover and this can be seen in my stats. I may be wrong but it looks like the 'bad' tones are not recovered when the s/n for the tones recover. If u look at my bits per tone graph it's now full of holes which on other modems recovers during the day.

On the upstream I gained a few hundred kb using the 7000.

The max attainable speeds reported by the d7000 seem more reasonable then what other devices report - they have always over estimated on an interleaved line.

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Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 26, 2015, 06:09:06 PM
Maybe I am getting a true reading of stats now. Who knows.
I'll maybe test with the HG612 tomorrow.

I see what you mean with regards to your tones. I'm not sure why it would do that.

I had a strange SNR spike this afternoon. It appeared to have been stable for 24hrs at 6.3/5.9. This afternoon it blipped to 6.9/10 and has now dropped to 5.4/5.8. Not sure what would cause the change in SNR.
Title: Netgear D7000
Post by: ardsar on July 26, 2015, 07:05:37 PM
SNR down is now at 4.5dB! I started on Friday evening with around 6.3db. Why are these tones not recovering - maybe an issue with bit swapping?

Lowest I ever got with my billion was around 7db. 

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Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 26, 2015, 07:24:22 PM
Hmm could well be an issue with the firmware. May try one of the older ones.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on July 26, 2015, 08:39:41 PM
Hi

SNR down is now at 4.5dB! I started on Friday evening with around 6.3db. Why are these tones not recovering - maybe an issue with bit swapping?

Lowest I ever got with my billion was around 7db. 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Could be either the modem part is more susceptible to noise so when noise targets particular bins rather than other modems being able to maintain some data through them the D7000 is shutting them down completely, or is more aggressively bitswapping and shutting bins down, once shut down the bins don't come back into use, even if the noise has gone, until a resync.

Regards

Phil
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: adslmax on July 27, 2015, 12:38:36 AM
Hi

Connected and running all okay so far.  What is the trick to get Telnet so I can see the line stats?

Regards

Phil

These are useless by Netgear! Very poor old dated web UI design on the new D7000. Netgear never care to get a full stats on VDSL. This is the reason I won't buy Netgear anymore!
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: ardsar on July 27, 2015, 08:40:09 AM
Hi

Connected and running all okay so far.  What is the trick to get Telnet so I can see the line stats?

Regards

Phil

These are useless by Netgear! Very poor old dated web UI design on the new D7000. Netgear never care to get a full stats on VDSL. This is the reason I won't buy Netgear anymore!

All stats are accessible via telnet unlike some routers.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 27, 2015, 02:01:50 PM
Well something has happened this morning to my line and something I've never experienced from any device.
Netgear engineering asked me to check if my SNR recovers from a reboot. It did. But having a look at the stats, my inp level has also reduced now and my interleaving depth is at 8!!! It has always been 16 or above. I've never seen this before.
Ardsar, can you do the same please and reboot when you get a chance to see if you get a recovery of SNR.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: adslmax on July 27, 2015, 02:04:52 PM
reboot is bad way for FTTC as it will cause DLM to trigger if you do reboot it. But, I think doing it one off will be ok but don't reboot it too many times.

I never heard of this reboot to recover SNR. That's got nothing to do with it. It's up to DLM to decided not the router reboot.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: ardsar on July 27, 2015, 02:26:25 PM
Im sure a reboot will recover the S/N as this will recover the bins that have been marked as bad, but the S/N will only drop again in the evening as the bins are again marked as bad. Looking at my bin/tone loading it is very clear that areas where the s/n drops at night result in those bins being disabled. On other routers, the bins come back into play when the S/N recovers. You can see this on MYDSLwebstats> prior to using the Netgear on Friday evening, you can see my S/N drops in the evening and recovers during the early hours - by around 1 - 1.5 dB. However with the Netgear, the S/N dropped as usual but did not recover in the early hours resulting in a fairly flat line since Saturday.

I may power off for 30 mins and then power back on when i get home......

Netgear need to be advised to look at Bin loading and bit swapping algorithms.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 27, 2015, 03:12:15 PM
My SNR returned to normal after a reboot. Well off for 30 mins and back on.

I've also swapped to the hg612 as they wanted stats and info from that to compare alongside the stats of the D6400.

What I think has happened with my line in particular is that due to the lowering of the interleaving it has estimated my Max attainable as a bit lower resulting in the SNR to drop to maintain my existing sync speed. After my reboot im syncing slightly less but have a better SNR.

As my line is on g.inp that is known to mess about with attainable rates so I'm wondering if this has contributed to the issue now that is has lowered slightly also.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: adslmax on July 27, 2015, 03:21:13 PM
Why don't you just leave thing alone. I wouldn't mess around with it. Not worth it. As for SNR it pretty normal to go and down in this weather plus day & evening are always change in SNR. My router stay online sync for 25 days since Openreach change in G.INP interleaved from 16:8 to 16:1

Yesterday (last night):
Code: [Select]
SNR Margin (dB) 8.5 14.8
Attenuation (dB) 11.7 0.0
Output Power (dBm) 12.4 0.0
Attainable Rate (Kbps) 90117 30859
Rate (Kbps) 79999 19999

Today (now):
Code: [Select]
SNR Margin (dB) 9.3 15.3
Attenuation (dB) 11.7 0.0
Output Power (dBm) 12.4 0.0
Attainable Rate (Kbps) 94926 31187
Rate (Kbps) 79999 19999
Title: Netgear D7000
Post by: ardsar on July 27, 2015, 03:46:25 PM
Think the point is there appears to be an issue with the device which we are trying to get resolved. Agreed it is usual for s/n to fluctuate as my line always has however with the netgear fluctuation is only one way -ie down which is different to any other device I have used


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Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 27, 2015, 03:47:57 PM
Because I'm trying to assist Netgear and Ardsar to get to the bottom of what they are seeing. I don't care if DLM kicks in, It will always recover when it sees that the line is stable. It doesn't bother me one bit.

I am aware SNR will fluctuate with seasons and weather but why are they not recovering when they normally do? This is why I am trying to provide Netgear with as much info as possible. If no one does then how do they know there may be an issue?
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: adslmax on July 27, 2015, 04:02:10 PM
I think Netgear wouldn't care less as they are best known as poor customer support and their forum help is useless too. I just glad to see the last in Netgear! Never go back to Netgear ever again.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: ardsar on July 27, 2015, 04:04:46 PM
I think you have made it clear you hate netgear.  Can we get back to topic please


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Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: GigabitEthernet on July 27, 2015, 04:07:55 PM
NETGEAR are pretty poor to be fair.

They released a broken DGND3700 and then fixed it by releasing a DGND3700 v2 the next year: the DGND3700 was never fixed.

Also the fact that their software always has bugs, the WiFi performance on most of their routers is average at best and their support is dire, I would say it is fair to dislike them strongly as a brand.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: adslmax on July 27, 2015, 04:14:01 PM
^^ Totally Agree!
Title: Netgear D7000
Post by: ardsar on July 27, 2015, 04:18:52 PM
Suggest you make a new thread titled I hate netgear lol

Back to topic please

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Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: ardsar on July 27, 2015, 05:10:13 PM
Been using the D7000 for around 15 hours now - it was switched on around 5pm on Friday. The changes can be observed on MyDSLWebstats - profile ardsar.

Initial observations -

1) S/N for downstream was approx. 1 db lower than what the Billion 8800NXL reported
2) Interleave was reduced from 801 to 531 (it has been stuck at 801 since around Christmas)
3) Performance seems good.

What I have noticed however is that the S/N usually drops by approx. 1dB at night and then recovers. On the D7000, the S/N has not been recovered. If I look at the S/N per tone graph, the areas that dip at night have recovered, however the bit loading graph seems to suggest that these areas are still poor (around tones 1700). Would this be why the S/N has not recovered this morning?

As can be seen from the attached more bins are now not being used - hence the reduced S/N. THe net result however is that the S/N graph has flattened out, rather than oscillating by 1dB per day.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 27, 2015, 05:30:47 PM
Ardsar, Check your PM's. One of the D7000 engineers wants to have a chat with you to get to the bottom of the issue you are seeing. He has been most helpful with me so assume he will do what he can for you.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: adslmax on July 27, 2015, 05:52:00 PM
Netgear engineers - make me laugh! They saying that to me years ago with DGND3700 to get the bottom of issues problem but they give up!

Never trust Netgear engineers!
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 27, 2015, 05:52:38 PM
Just received a message from the Netgear Engineer and he asked me to relay the information regarding VLAN.

PhilipD we weren't too sure what you you meant with the D7000 has no VLAN option.

Actually the D7000 has VLAN option in Internet Setup GUI page for both internet ad IPTV interface separately. All DSL related settings also in Internet Setup page.
D7000 does not support VLAN grouping function so we do not have the user confused with the VLAN settings in Internet setup page.
 
We can add the VLAN grouping function if it really needed. But for normal user what D7000 provide in Internet setup page is enough, and there also support multiple IPTV port in Bridge mode.
 
The Gb Ethernet WAN port can ne the fifth Gb LAN port if configure the unit as “Modem only” mode.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 27, 2015, 06:00:15 PM
Yes I understand how you feel, I have similar feelings about other manufacturers. Asus especially.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: mjgr33n on July 27, 2015, 06:02:28 PM
Netgear engineers - make me laugh! They saying that to me years ago with DGND3700 to get the bottom of issues problem but they give up!

Never trust Netgear engineers!

I have had numerous issues with numerous manufacturers in the many many years of working in IT and also as a customer like many people.

But -

a). this is a thread for people that have bought the D7000 or are considering buying it, at what point does all your dislike for them help the people in this thread.

b). Issues in the past don't necessarily mean issues now, people change, companies change and adapt or go bankrupt.

c). I have never had issues with Netgear, I have been lucky that way, despite owning 4 different devices form them over the years.

d). I don't have any issues with the D7000 or the D6400. The D7000 is very fast for me and no fluctuations, does everything I need it to and the cost of the unit is cheap for me.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: mjgr33n on July 27, 2015, 06:03:54 PM
Yes I understand how you feel, I have similar feelings about other manufacturers. Asus especially.

Yeah, ASUS I have mixed feelings about but have owned both good and bad products from.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: mjgr33n on July 27, 2015, 06:07:32 PM
Just received a message from the Netgear Engineer and he asked me to relay the information regarding VLAN.

PhilipD we weren't too sure what you you meant with the D7000 has no VLAN option.

Actually the D7000 has VLAN option in Internet Setup GUI page for both internet ad IPTV interface separately. All DSL related settings also in Internet Setup page.
D7000 does not support VLAN grouping function so we do not have the user confused with the VLAN settings in Internet setup page.
 
We can add the VLAN grouping function if it really needed. But for normal user what D7000 provide in Internet setup page is enough, and there also support multiple IPTV port in Bridge mode.
 
The Gb Ethernet WAN port can ne the fifth Gb LAN port if configure the unit as “Modem only” mode.


Their VLAN and bridging options are a bit lacking and not very subtle, would love to see option to bridge the 5th port without it being modem only or Access point only, also nice to see some proper VLAN options, but despite the above reference I would be surprised if they enabled them :P
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 27, 2015, 06:31:50 PM
I would say I'm the same as yourself with Asus, their routers and motherboards etc are not bad at all. Their DSL units are better off used as a door stop or a weapon though.
Their firmware tends to be a bit hit and miss too but they do provide good options in their GUI. Which I like.

Anyway back on topic.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: roseway on July 27, 2015, 06:51:10 PM
@adslmax: we're getting rather tired of your off-topic comments in this thread. Please stay out of it unless you have something relevant to say. Any more off-topic comments will be deleted.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: ricke17 on July 27, 2015, 07:06:01 PM
Just received a message from the Netgear Engineer and he asked me to relay the information regarding VLAN.

PhilipD we weren't too sure what you you meant with the D7000 has no VLAN option.

Actually the D7000 has VLAN option in Internet Setup GUI page for both internet ad IPTV interface separately. All DSL related settings also in Internet Setup page.
D7000 does not support VLAN grouping function so we do not have the user confused with the VLAN settings in Internet setup page.
 
We can add the VLAN grouping function if it really needed. But for normal user what D7000 provide in Internet setup page is enough, and there also support multiple IPTV port in Bridge mode.
 
The Gb Ethernet WAN port can ne the fifth Gb LAN port if configure the unit as “Modem only” mode.


Hello you!

I am still having no luck at all with Netgear C/S providing me with any information as to have to resolve the IGMP snooping issue to allow my plusnet multicast IPTV to actually work!
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 27, 2015, 08:58:20 PM
I have mentioned your issue to the guy this evening. The had plusnet beta testers so I've requested more information on if the plusnet beta testers had setup the iptv function and if so, how.
Should hear back from him in the morning hopefully.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: ricke17 on July 27, 2015, 09:03:11 PM
You are a lifesaver!

I am at the end of my tether with this box and still using the ASUS.

With all the tinkering with the Netgear I'm worried that if I try to tinker again then DLM will kick in.

Looking forward to any feedback, I really do appreciate it.

Rick.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 27, 2015, 09:22:54 PM
He may want to speak to you directly so will let you know what he says in the morning.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: ricke17 on July 27, 2015, 09:36:00 PM
That's fine - happy to inbox you my details!

Thanks again!!
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 27, 2015, 09:39:52 PM
It will be easier if you discussed it with him rather than me being the middle man.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: ricke17 on July 27, 2015, 09:43:39 PM
Sure, I'll inbox you my details now.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: sharpz44 on July 27, 2015, 10:18:04 PM
So is this Netgear d7000 good, would it be better than my billion 8800 axl (bridged) to my Asus ac87u, I did own the r7000 when it first came out but sent that back due to dodgy firmware ,which they did resolve in the end and is now a good router.Thanks
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 27, 2015, 10:27:57 PM
This my opinion on it so far. Others obviously vary as you have maybe seen through the thread.

I've tried 5 different modems and modem/routers since getting fibre. All have maintained my line to the usual standard with one of these degrading my line.

I bought the d7000 as I thought the d6400 was stable, could get good stats via telnet but lacked in WiFi capability. The d7000 is certainly stable just as you would expect from a broadcom based chip. The WiFi is great, I seem to have tripled my throughput speed in my garage which is a short walk out my house and across the drive way.
As I said earlier in my post, most other modems just maintained my line but this has actually reduced my interleaving depth after 3 days use, reduced my INP  (slightly) and giving me a fraction of the FEC's and CRC's my last device gave.

I'm very pleased with it so far so its a thumbs up from me. Remember though, every line is different so what works for one, may not for the other.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: sharpz44 on July 28, 2015, 07:10:06 AM
This my opinion on it so far. Others obviously vary as you have maybe seen through the thread.

I've tried 5 different modems and modem/routers since getting fibre. All have maintained my line to the usual standard with one of these degrading my line.

I bought the d7000 as I thought the d6400 was stable, could get good stats via telnet but lacked in WiFi capability. The d7000 is certainly stable just as you would expect from a broadcom based chip. The WiFi is great, I seem to have tripled my throughput speed in my garage which is a short walk out my house and across the drive way.
As I said earlier in my post, most other modems just maintained my line but this has actually reduced my interleaving depth after 3 days use, reduced my INP  (slightly) and giving me a fraction of the FEC's and CRC's my last device gave.

I'm very pleased with it so far so its a thumbs up from me. Remember though, every line is different so what works for one, may not for the other.

Thanks for that info,like the idea of the interleave dropping, I work offshore on the rigs and when I went away my interleave depth was 1435, which is very heavy for some strange reason ,my HEC errors were also zero when I left so will see what it`s like when I get home after a good up time of around 25 days and see if the DLM has improved it. I may buy this if I see poor Int depth. Thanks for your help   
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on July 28, 2015, 07:29:02 AM
Hi

So is this Netgear d7000 good, would it be better than my billion 8800 axl (bridged) to my Asus ac87u, I did own the r7000 when it first came out but sent that back due to dodgy firmware ,which they did resolve in the end and is now a good router.Thanks

I had the D7000 but returned it.  It's no R7000 and my impression compared to an array of other routers/modems was it was cut to the bone in terms of build quality and options.  The D7000 has started the same way as the R7000 with firmware not finished and lacking features that should be on something from day one. Netgear may finish the firmware and add more features, then again they may just replace it with a D7500 (looking identical!) and forget all about the D7000, such is the Netgear way. 

The 1GHz CPU is a waste of electricity as unless you are using it as a NAS box or have hundreds of clients connected, it's over kill, and IP packet processing is all off-loaded anyway, the CPU doesn't deal with that.

Regards

Phil



Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: mjgr33n on July 28, 2015, 11:43:07 AM
So is this Netgear d7000 good, would it be better than my billion 8800 axl (bridged) to my Asus ac87u, I did own the r7000 when it first came out but sent that back due to dodgy firmware ,which they did resolve in the end and is now a good router.Thanks

In my opinion it is, it is certainly faster than the D6400 and you get that dual core 1Ghz and faster Wireless throughput for only slightly more than the D6400, despite several people not liking Netgear and having issues with past routers, they seem to be providing firmware updates regularly on their products these days. Also I would get odd slow downs on the D6400 which I assume was just due to my overly demanding network, I don't have any such issues with the D7000, although not tried the D6400 since it had a firmware update the other day, I will keep the D6400 for my family in case I take the D7000 with me if I start working on a contract elsewhere.

So far I am certainly very happy with mine )))
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 28, 2015, 11:50:38 AM
I've not owned any Netgear products since owning the dg834gt many years ago. Never had any issue with that so wasn't too fussed about trying them again and very happy so far.
I will admit, my needs are minimal in a modem router so it suits me fine, if you simply must have a lot of features and every imaginable option to change then this most certainly won't be up your street.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on July 28, 2015, 12:18:43 PM
Also to add, I was initially waiting on the new Billion 8900 series devices but they keep getting put back further and further. By the time they appear now they will be outdated I would imagine.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: ricke17 on July 29, 2015, 01:13:49 PM
Those who have been following my "drama" with Youview & IPTV will be happy to know that thanks to @michty_me, I now have a contact at Netgear whom has been emailing me various things I should do to congifure the D7000 so that IPTV will work.

Nothing has worked so far - last email said (and sorry for his poor English):

"Hi Rick,
 
OK. using a app to play IPTV from internet.
I maybe know where the cause. The IGMP should bind to WAN1(Internet interface), rather than WAN2 (IPTV interface).
I will send you a test FW to try tomorrow, which make the IGMP bind to WAN1."

Can someone decipher what he means?

And if it means what I think it does, then this test f/w should allow me to use my current set up, which is as follows:

LAN 1 - 10 M Ethernet Cable to a TP Link switch (behind the TV) - this connects Apple TV and other devices AND the Youview Box
LAN 2 - NAS
LAN 3 - NAS
LAN 4 - Empty

Currently, he suggests that I can only use IPTV on 1 LAN - thus, the configurations I have been using is as above but LAN 4 has an ethernet cable connecting straight to the Youview box.

This is becoming such a mission!

Rick.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: ricke17 on August 04, 2015, 08:31:52 AM
After weeks of support from you guys and thanks to a member putting me in touch with a Netgear person, we have lift off!

Plusnet TV is working!

Rick.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: adrenalize on August 04, 2015, 09:36:22 AM
Glad you got it working. I was trying to make sense of the Netgear response above but some things were a little odd!

Is it worth you posting how to set it up for others? Did you have to use modified f/w? I guess you might have done as the standard f/w seems to only cater for IPTV hanging off a specific port(s) separate to internet ports.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: ricke17 on August 04, 2015, 09:44:39 AM
Here is the information (along with a picture he refers to) I was supplied with.

Quote
The things that you need to set are:
 
Under Advanced tab->Internet Setup->IPTV (as shown in the screenshot)
 
1.       Check  ‘Enable this Interface’

2.       Check ‘Use VLAN_id’

3.       Set VLAN_id= 101

4.       Set priority= 0

5.       Under IPTV IP Address: Check ‘Use Static IP Address’

6.       Fill in ‘Static IP Address’, ‘IP Subnet Mask’, ‘Gateway IP Address’ like the screenshot

7.       Check ‘Use these DNS Servers’

8.       Fill in ‘Primary DNS’ and ‘Secondary DNS’

9.       Click the ‘Apply’ button.

I am using test firmware - however in a further reply the guy stated:

Quote
Next step, we will hard code these settings into Plusnet auto setup, so when user does out of the box installation, run auto setup wizard/genie, select ISP=Plusnet, all internet and IPTV connection will be built automatically, so user does not need to manually configure it.

Rick.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: ricke17 on August 04, 2015, 10:10:23 AM
And, FYI, This is my set up (you don't need to use 1 port on the router for the IPTV) which works!

LAN1 - 10m Ethernet Cable to Gigabit TP-Link Switch connecting (amongst other things) Apple TV, Amazon Fire TV.......AND Youview Box
LAN2 - NAS Deivce
LAN3- NAS Device
LAN4 - VOIP Device

it's working like a dream.

Rick.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on August 04, 2015, 11:13:04 AM
That is great news rick. Glad you got it working. Hope you are happy with your setup now.
Tom has been a great help sorting stuff out and making tweaks to firmware.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: ricke17 on August 04, 2015, 11:21:23 AM
If it wasn't for you reaching out and getting me in touch with Tom, the D7000 would have been boxed up and sent back.

I have managed to configure static IP's for my NAS devices and static routes, plus have set up DNS on it too.

It is a good router, wifi speeds are good too.

Thanks again matey.

Rick.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on August 04, 2015, 12:10:19 PM
Not a problem at all pal.
Just glad you got it sorted. Tom seems a good guy and already thanked him for all the help.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: ricke17 on August 04, 2015, 12:18:38 PM
Seriously, I am so so grateful :-D
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on August 04, 2015, 10:56:19 PM
Not a problem at all mate. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: pdes on September 03, 2015, 09:49:32 PM
Team,

I expect this is lame but I have searched everywhere to find out what goes into the DHCP 61 Option box when setting up the D700 (automatically) with Sky Fibre (UK).  The closest I have got is that it's the login and password that you get from the Wireshark extract.  However, I have used this perfectly successfully in my DSL AC68u but as two entries.  If this is what goes in the box on the D7000, could someone please confirm the exact format?

Thanks
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: marjohn56 on September 04, 2015, 08:44:50 PM
Option 61 box takes username|password

Put it in as I have shown above. There is a full description on the link below it is for a draytek but applies equally to the D7000 , you will also need option 60 and spoof the mac address of your sky router too.

http://www.skyuser.co.uk/forum/asking-help/55193-modem-routers-will-connect-direct-sky-fibre.html (http://www.skyuser.co.uk/forum/asking-help/55193-modem-routers-will-connect-direct-sky-fibre.html)
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on September 05, 2015, 02:32:37 AM
I've been told that the 60/61 input is not required on the setup. All that is required is selecting sky from the drop down menu and inputing your details from wireshark. I don't have sky so can't confirm.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: marjohn56 on September 05, 2015, 08:53:13 AM
:) Trust me I'm a doctor.... ( not really! )

Look at the attatchment.

Option 60 should look something like this 7.16a4N_UNI|PCBAFAST2504Nv1.0

Option 61 should look something like this 4xxxxxxxxxx3@skydsl|g*************k , note the '|' where the username and password are joined.

And of course the WAN mac address from the existing sky router, NOT the LAN mac address that is used for getting the above details from the password generator; is it a generator or an extractor?

I'm also a Sky user.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: Geekofbroadband on September 08, 2015, 09:08:54 PM
I wonder why they chose a Lantiq on the D7800 but a BCM on the D7000. Is there actually a rule when deciding between a BCM and Lantiq, Lantiq for short lines, BCM for long lines or is it every line if different see what works best sort of thing. Iv'e always gone by match it to your cabinet chipset
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on September 08, 2015, 09:19:14 PM
Hi

I expect it is just whatever chipsets they can get that works out cheapest at the time, or they are supplying an ISP or telcom with a similar product and that customer has specified Lantiq and Netgear can get a good price by adding to the order to produce their own branded modems.

No one can say for absolute certainty what works best with what line, and Lantiq chip in one modem could behave differently in another depending on how well the circuit is designed, and if that design happens to favour a particular line.

Lantiq is used in the ECI modems supplied for VDSL in the UK and these seem to inter-operate with no issues at all, so no reason to believe the Netgear will differ drastically to how the ECI modems work.

Regards

Phil


Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: marjohn56 on September 09, 2015, 09:08:26 AM
Bt when supplying the modems appeared to provide ones that matched the DSLAM.

The only thing I have to say on that is the modem/routers I have bought with Lantiq chipset have both had problems, the Netgear I have now is Broadcom and I don't have any problems, my DSLAM is Broadcom.

Make of it what you wish.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on September 09, 2015, 12:18:04 PM
Hi

Quote
Bt when supplying the modems appeared to provide ones that matched the DSLAM.

That isn't the case so much now as HomeHubs are all the same regardless of the DSLAM, and self install VDSL will see all sorts of flavours of chipsets used by ISPs.

I'd personally rather have Broadcom as well though, and it works great on an ECI cab that is Lantiq.

Regards

Phil
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: Dray on September 09, 2015, 12:26:24 PM
All Homehubs aren't the same, there's a HH5A and a HH5B for example.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: marjohn56 on September 09, 2015, 12:59:41 PM
Are the chipsets different?
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: ejs on September 09, 2015, 01:13:08 PM
Perhaps the discussion of the D7800 should be split to a separate thread.

I think all current Lantiq devices are based on the VR9 family, the VRX268 or VRX288 chips, which have been around for a few years now.

The D7800 uses the next generation Lantiq chip, VR10 family, it's the first device I've seen that does:

Quote from: d7800_gpl_source_list.txt
IPQ8064(CPU) + QCA8337(Switch) + VRX320(DSL) + QCA9982(5GHz) + QCA9880(2.4GHz)

The DSL firmware contained within the Netgear firmware image is:
dsl_vr10_firmware_xdsl-07.07.04.03.00.07_07.07.01.08.00.01.bin

HH5A - Lantiq VRX268
HH5B - Broadcom
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: marjohn56 on September 09, 2015, 01:38:50 PM
Just Netgear putting a foot in each camp then.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: marjohn56 on September 09, 2015, 01:46:34 PM
All Homehubs aren't the same, there's a HH5A and a HH5B for example.

Would that suggest that BT try to match DSLAM and Homehub?
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: ejs on September 09, 2015, 06:41:09 PM
I don't think BT made much effort to match DSLAM and Homehub chipset, I think there was only the HH5A at first, and the 5B was released later. There have been A and B types of HH3 and 4. It's probably mostly to keep costs down.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on September 10, 2015, 08:29:48 AM
Hi

A lot of the swapping is indeed just keeping costs down, certainly for the likes of the Netgear, who aren't worried about matching chipsets to DSLAM given the countries the models cover, and the vast majority of their customers know nothing about chipsets and the potential benefits (real or imagined) of matching chipsets in the modem to the DSLAM.  The D7000 has most likely had it's one and only production run which wasn't even made by Netgears own production fabs, they outsourced it and from what I saw it was made as cheaply as possible.

The D7800 will just be another production run with the opportunity to market some higher Wi-Fi speeds that the Lantiq chipset will theoretically support and that no one will see outside of a test lab!  Broadcom will come out with another chipset theoretically supporting faster speeds again, and so is born the D8000.

Manufacturers like Netgear are treating routers/modems as a subscription model, the idea is to keep getting people to replace them by having a continual stream of 'new' models which are not made to last more than 6 months or a year before they obsolete them.

Regards

Phil
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: mjgr33n on September 10, 2015, 01:57:57 PM
Hi

A lot of the swapping is indeed just keeping costs down, certainly for the likes of the Netgear, who aren't worried about matching chipsets to DSLAM given the countries the models cover, and the vast majority of their customers know nothing about chipsets and the potential benefits (real or imagined) of matching chipsets in the modem to the DSLAM.  The D7000 has most likely had it's one and only production run which wasn't even made by Netgears own production fabs, they outsourced it and from what I saw it was made as cheaply as possible.

The D7800 will just be another production run with the opportunity to market some higher Wi-Fi speeds that the Lantiq chipset will theoretically support and that no one will see outside of a test lab!  Broadcom will come out with another chipset theoretically supporting faster speeds again, and so is born the D8000.

Manufacturers like Netgear are treating routers/modems as a subscription model, the idea is to keep getting people to replace them by having a continual stream of 'new' models which are not made to last more than 6 months or a year before they obsolete them.

Regards

Phil

You have just described 90% of IT Industry and modern day consumerism in general :P

No matter how cheaply you describe it in your opinion, myself and several others own it and it works great and better than any other VDSL Router I have used and tried and have tried 5 so far, this is the only one that does not have any issues for me and works well for both me and my family and my needs.

Some of the Netgear devices get lots of firmware updates and some get hardly any.

If there was a great dedicated VDSL modem out there other than the HG612 I would have probably bought that and gone with a non VDSL Router, probably the Cisco business one plus separate Access point. But there isn't atm.

The only other ones close with features is the TP Link which I think some people are holding off until it gets a firmware update or the ASUS DSL-AC68U which has had a sordid past with it's Mediatek chipset and it's numerous firmware updates that have either failed to fix issues or introduced new ones, that being said the latest firmware update apparently seems to be working well for a lot of people now, especially on Huewei Cabinets.

I still contend that the combined VDSL modem/router market is mostly crap, we need a lot more competition in this area really to see better models.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: Buckchoi on January 13, 2016, 08:08:53 PM
D7000 Firmware Version 1.0.0.26 has been released.

http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/30213
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on January 13, 2016, 08:56:48 PM
Ah thanks. Will get it installed.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: adrenalize on January 15, 2016, 10:21:52 PM
That's quite a long list in the release notes! Seems OK so far, although it hasn't fixed a big issue with large file support on ReadyShare / Media server unfortunately.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on January 15, 2016, 11:11:52 PM
A user on overclockers said that his sync dropped from 9Mb to around 5Mb, swapped back to his ISP supplied router and synched again at 9Mb. The user said that the older firmware gives him the same sync as his ISP supplied one.

Over the last month or so, I noticed my SNR dropped to around 5db so I knew I would lose speed upon reboot. I've now gone from 73Mb to 67Mb because of this. My SNR is now sitting at 6.5db now though. I was sort of hoping it was Christmas light interference but it seems to have remained low. I'll maybe try my HG612 tomorrow and see what it syncs at, just for test purposes.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: mjgr33n on January 18, 2016, 10:18:41 AM
Mine is still running great on latest firmware -

Code: [Select]
xdslctl info --stats
xdslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason:    0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 31553 Kbps, Downstream rate = 94525 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 79999 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        9.0             15.6
Attn(dB):        8.9             0.0
Pwr(dBm):        12.9           -6.2

                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           -6              26
B:              130             237
M:              1               1
T:              0               42
R:              8               16
S:              0.0518          0.3781
L:              21468           5374
D:              16              1
I:              139             127
N:              139             254
Q:              16              0
V:              14              0
RxQueue:                60              0
TxQueue:                20              0
G.INP Framing:          18              0
G.INP lookback:         20              0
RRC bits:               0               24
                        Bearer 1
MSGc:           186             -6
B:              0               0
M:              2               0
T:              2               0
R:              16              0
S:              5.3333          0.0000
L:              48              0
D:              3               0
I:              32              0
N:              32              0
Q:              0               0
V:              0               0
RxQueue:                0               0
TxQueue:                0               0
G.INP Framing:          0               0
G.INP lookback:         0               0
RRC bits:               0               0

                        Counters
                        Bearer 0
OHF:            0               2232654
OHFErr:         0               554
RS:             702311472               113184
RSCorr:         3315            2083
RSUnCorr:       0               0
                        Bearer 1
OHF:            10996793                0
OHFErr:         0               0
RS:             131960778               0
RSCorr:         91              0
RSUnCorr:       0               0

                        Retransmit Counters
rtx_tx:         66433           0
rtx_c:          147             0
rtx_uc:         0               0

                        G.INP Counters
LEFTRS:         3               0
minEFTR:        79982           0
errFreeBits:    215522040               0

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    1404771869              0
Data Cells:     301744341               0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

                        Bearer 1
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
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Total Cells:    0               0
Data Cells:     0               0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             0               501
SES:            0               0
UAS:            35              35
AS:             176635

                        Bearer 0
INP:            48.00           0.00
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delay:          0               0
PER:            0.00            3.98
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AgR:            80614.82        20063.54

                        Bearer 1
INP:            4.00            0.00
INPRein:        4.00            0.00
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OR:             95.62           0.01
AgR:            95.62   0.01

Bitswap:        187/187         97/97

Total time = 2 days 1 hours 4 min 30 sec
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CRC:            0               554
ES:             0               501
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ES:             0               0
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UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
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LOM:            0               0
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ES:             0               2
SES:            0               0
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LOS:            0               0
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LOM:            0               0
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CRC:            0               242
ES:             0               226
SES:            0               0
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LOS:            0               0
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Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: adrenalize on January 29, 2016, 10:44:02 PM
Hmmm, looks like Netgear pulled 1.0.0.26 from their website. Not sure why - I still have a copy if anyone needs it. My large file issue on Readyshare / Media server is recognised by the engineering team and the fix should be in the next f/w release.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: mjgr33n on February 05, 2016, 10:31:56 PM
Hmmm, looks like Netgear pulled 1.0.0.26 from their website. Not sure why - I still have a copy if anyone needs it. My large file issue on Readyshare / Media server is recognised by the engineering team and the fix should be in the next f/w release.

It is still there http://support.netgear.com/product/D7000 & http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/D7000/D7000-V1.0.0.26_1.0.1.zip
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on February 06, 2016, 02:54:18 PM
They pulled the firmware due to issues but it appears that they have uploaded the same one onto their website.

https://community.netgear.com/t5/DSL-Modems-Routers/What-s-happen-with-D7000-1-0-0-26-firmware/td-p/1043921
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: yakidoda on February 07, 2016, 08:06:11 PM
Hi all

Not sure what I am doing wrong with the D7000, telnet comes up with the payload sent ext, but when I log into telnet it asks for a password, I haven't updated anything yet so they are still default, so I use admin and password in the cmd and it say that the password is wrong, also dsl stats keeps coming up with no data returned on sample data, any ideas what I am doing wrong ? I am a bit of a noob when it comes to telnet lol

Kev

Hi again all

Got telnet giving stats but not a lot of info from them.

Finally got dslstats working for some reason I had to put root in the command line, awesome program, very happy bunny showing the graphs as well :)

Kev
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: Buckchoi on March 20, 2016, 05:03:28 PM
D7000 Firmware Version 1.0.0.32 has been released.

http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/30427
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: Geekofbroadband on May 17, 2016, 05:42:25 PM
New Firmware: 1.0.0.34

http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/30660
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: Buckchoi on July 01, 2016, 04:10:31 PM
D7000 Firmware Version 1.0.0.38 has been released.

http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/30834
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: lofgents on August 13, 2016, 01:05:35 PM
Hi I am new to the forum so will say hello.

My isp will soon upgrade our ancient sysytem to F.T.T.C (not in the U.K) so will be looking at the pes version of this modem/router. As there has not been any recent posts have the firmware updates improved the stability of this model.

  Thanks   
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: mjgr33n on August 16, 2016, 09:56:24 PM
I have 2 of these, one at home and one at the place I lodge in London, both great, both very stable for me, one on FTTC and one on ADSL2, all seem to be fantastic, great signal and great wireless, could not be happier :)
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: lofgents on August 17, 2016, 09:50:16 AM
I have 2 of these, one at home and one at the place I lodge in London, both great, both very stable for me, one on FTTC and one on ADSL2, all seem to be fantastic, great signal and great wireless, could not be happier :)

Thanks for the information looks like the newer firmware has added stability and good to know you have the opportunity to provide feedback on FTTC and ADSL

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: mjgr33n on September 28, 2016, 03:10:46 PM
New Firmware D7000-V1.0.1.42_1.0.1 -

Quote
New Features and Enhancements:

Supports ReadyCloud, which allows you to access your USB storage device from anywhere.
Supports genie remote, which allows you to manage your home network remotely using NETGEAR genie.
Supports OpenVPN mobile client (iOS and Android) app for easy secure remote access to your home network.
Sends log reports via SSL email, which allows email notification to be setup on your Nighthawk router.
Supports WiFi Transmit Power Control, which reduces WiFi power to just cover your home network and reduces WiFi interference in the neighborhood.
Improves port forwarding by allowing fixed and range ports to be added to one rule.
To Install

Note: To avoid wireless disconnect issue during the firmware download process, NETGEAR recommends that firmware upgrade be performed on a computer with wired connection.

Write down all the settings which you changed from the default values, since you may need to re-enter them manually.
Using the Download Link below, download and extract the new firmware to a convenient place such as your desktop.The filename after extracting is D7000-V1.0.1.42_1.0.1.img

Download Link: http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/D7000/D7000_FW_V1.0.1.42_1.0.1.zip
Log in to the router using a Web browser. The URL is http://www.routerlogin.net.
Click ADVANCED tab > Administration > Firmware Upgrade.
Click Browse and find the file you just downloaded.
Click Upload. Do not interrupt the upgrade while the router does this step.
Important Note:

The upgrade process is completed when the on screen progress bar completes.
If the upgrade progress bar on web GUI doesn’t display correctly during firmware upgrade, you can still check the status using Power LED. The Power LED should be blinking (amber) during firmware upgrade.  After firmware upgrade is done and boots up the system, it changes to steady amber color.
Please DO NOT power off or reboot the device during firmware upgrade, otherwise, it  may result to a corrupt firmware and cause the device not to work.
Maximum wireless signal rate derived from IEEE Standard 802.11 specifications. Actual data throughput will vary. Network conditions and environmental factors, including volume of network traffic, building materials and construction, and network overhead, lower actual data throughput rate.

This product includes software code developed by third parties, including software code subject to the GNU General Public License ("GPL") or GNU Lesser General Public License ("LGPL"). As applicable, the terms of the GPL and LGPL, and information on obtaining access to the GPL Code and LGPL Code used in this product, are available to you at NETGEAR's Open Source Code Web page. The GPL Code and LGPL Code used in this product is distributed WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY and is subject to the copyrights of one or more authors. For details, see the GPL Code and LGPL Code for this product and the terms of the GPL and LGPL.

Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: VDSL2User on September 28, 2016, 04:43:07 PM
I have upgraded to the new version 42 from version 32 and all is working as it should with one small exception.
On the home page where it lists the Wireless state it flags a warning saying no encryption is in use.
On investigation I confirmed WPA2 was on and working correctly for both 2 GHz and 5 GHz.
On a hunch I adjusted the security settings of the Guest network (which I don't use and is actually disabled) to WPA2
and the warning on the home page disappeared with it reporting that it was looking at the Guest SSID.
A bug for Netgear to fix in the next release.
Also on checking (via DSLStats) I found the Broadcom DSL driver code in use to be  A2pvbH042n.d26b which is the latest I
have come across with the previous driver version at release 39m.
I am monitoring the stats be see little difference in sync or performance at this point (but less than 1 hour uptime so far)
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: mjgr33n on September 28, 2016, 06:11:19 PM
I have upgraded to the new version 42 from version 32 and all is working as it should with one small exception.
On the home page where it lists the Wireless state it flags a warning saying no encryption is in use.
On investigation I confirmed WPA2 was on and working correctly for both 2 GHz and 5 GHz.
On a hunch I adjusted the security settings of the Guest network (which I don't use and is actually disabled) to WPA2
and the warning on the home page disappeared with it reporting that it was looking at the Guest SSID.
A bug for Netgear to fix in the next release.
Also on checking (via DSLStats) I found the Broadcom DSL driver code in use to be  A2pvbH042n.d26b which is the latest I
have come across with the previous driver version at release 39m.
I am monitoring the stats be see little difference in sync or performance at this point (but less than 1 hour uptime so far)

Thanks, I wondered why it was doing that given that it has security by default and yeah putting some on the guest networks even though they disbaled fixes it, also noticed it only shows the guest networks in the wireless ticker, well at least everything is running great :)
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: Buckchoi on October 28, 2016, 10:21:42 AM
D7000 Firmware Version 1.0.1.44 has been released.

http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/31436
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on October 28, 2016, 11:30:45 AM
I only just upgraded to 1.0.1.42 yesterday  :D
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: Geekofbroadband on January 08, 2017, 08:19:25 PM
Just thought I'd mention, the D7000 is currently on sale at £155 from £170 on Amazon and is about to go on a flash sale at 11:59pm http://i.imgur.com/fhSSTvQ.png  :P
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: mjgr33n on January 16, 2017, 07:09:06 PM
Just thought I'd mention, the D7000 is currently on sale at £155 from £170 on Amazon and is about to go on a flash sale at 11:59pm http://i.imgur.com/fhSSTvQ.png  :P

I got one for £150 last year at local PC World and they are currently £139.99 at Amazon.co.uk.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: dodgydrains on January 16, 2017, 07:42:28 PM
Hi,

Has anyone managed to tweak ADSL SNR on the D7000?

If so is there a guide at all?
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: vic0239 on February 23, 2017, 12:14:32 PM
Just wondering if anyone has used the D7000 in bridge mode? My current ZyXel VMG1312-B10As have an issue with PPPoE under certain circumstances when the throughput drops to almost zero and I thought these might be an alternative. Thanks.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on February 24, 2017, 08:42:54 AM
Hi

It's a sledge hammer to crack a nut that, buying it just as modem only and will burn through electricity.  Have you considered tracking down an HG612 or some other cheaper VDSL router for modem only mode.

Regards

Phil


Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: vic0239 on February 24, 2017, 10:50:11 AM
Hi.

I hadn't considered the amount of power they would consume, but perhaps that would be mitigated if the radios were turned off. However, you are absolutely correct that I'd be paying for functionality that wouldn't be used, but I'd like a device with an up to date Broadcom chipset which the D7000 has. I already have two HG612 modems, but I drop ~10Mbps across my two lines with these. I've also tried the VMG1312-B10Ds on loan from my ISP, but they had the same issue so I want to stay clear of the ZyXels.

Thanks ... Vic.

Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: babis3g on February 24, 2017, 11:27:17 AM
Hi,

Has anyone managed to tweak ADSL SNR on the D7000?

If so is there a guide at all?
Now noticed this thread
I don't own the d7000, but here worked for user in a Greek forum (older firmware, so not sure if with latest is blocked)
debug with this ip
http://192.168.0.1/setup.cgi?todo=debug
at telnet type
telnet 192.168.0.1 (enter)
page log in will appear type
root (enter)
then for adsl snr tweak type
adslctl configure --snr xx
where xx are the values (all broadcom values are somewhere in this forum, but sorry did not bother to try find out the page, also did not use broadcom for long time and i forgot them, so perhaps an other user to help on this)
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: PhilipD on February 24, 2017, 12:07:41 PM
Hi

Hi.

I hadn't considered the amount of power they would consume, but perhaps that would be mitigated if the radios were turned off. However, you are absolutely correct that I'd be paying for functionality that wouldn't be used, but I'd like a device with an up to date Broadcom chipset which the D7000 has. I already have two HG612 modems, but I drop ~10Mbps across my two lines with these. I've also tried the VMG1312-B10Ds on loan from my ISP, but they had the same issue so I want to stay clear of the ZyXels.

Thanks ... Vic.

You say you drop ~10Mbps across two lines, what is that you use that gets ~10Mbps more?

I wouldn't fixate on the Broadcom chipset version, there are newer ones but the modem silicon are essentially the same on all of them, ironically newer Broadcom chipsets can be lesser performing due to integrating separate chip functions onto the same chip to reduce the bill of materials, which can result in a bit more interference, although generally other things like the general design of the analogue/power circuits can make a bigger difference, as well as what happens to work best on your particular line characteristics.

Regards

Phil
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: vic0239 on February 24, 2017, 12:43:14 PM
Thanks for your insight, Phil.

I'm currently using 2 x ZyXel VMG1312-B10As which appear to work best on my two bonded VDSL2 lines and I would be very happy to retain them were it not for this PPPoE issue. I'll maybe order a D7000 for evaluation and see how it performs.

Cheers,

Vic.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: vic0239 on February 26, 2017, 12:54:40 PM
Well I went ahead and got a D7000 and have it set to modem only mode and PPPoE connected successfully. I’ve tried a couple of remote PPPoE resets and didn’t see the issue I have with the ZyXel devices, but I suppose time will tell.

Setup was fairly straight forward, I configured it in modem/router mode initially and then flipped the setting once I had it setup. I had changed the LAN address and disabled DHCP and was happily surprised to see it appear on the network in modem only mode. PPPoE cable in port1 and network cable in port 2 with no configuration necessary. Sync speed is pretty much as the VMG1312-B10A, just a wee bit less.

I enabled telnet access as per michty_me’s post (thanks for that :thumbs:), but am wondering if it is permanent as I had to rerun the command after rebooting. DslStats is working with it, so I am happy although I now will have to think about the purchase of a second one! :'(

Vic.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on February 26, 2017, 04:31:14 PM
You will need to apply the telnet everytime you reboot. I believe there is an easier way but I cannot remember how.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: vic0239 on February 26, 2017, 05:54:17 PM
Ok, thanks.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: adrenalize on March 08, 2017, 12:13:03 PM
You will need to apply the telnet everytime you reboot. I believe there is an easier way but I cannot remember how.

You can try just entering the URL (with corresponding IP) http://192.168.0.1/setup.cgi?todo=debug
as opposed to using telnetenable.exe I think. Enter "root" to log in. Weirdly using telnetable drops you in at the root prompt without login.

On a slightly different note does anyone know where in the filesystem the persistent settings for everything including openvpn are stored?

The settings for the "mobile" config at /etc/server_phone.conf has an error as it hard codes the server IP to 192.168.2.0 so I can connect using OpenVPN on my Android phone but I get 192.168.2.2 allocated - any changes to the files are not persistent on reboot.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: Iain on January 05, 2018, 01:12:10 PM
Netgear have issues a new version of firmware, you now have to enter the username and password to get into Telnet, and dslstats need the same now - thought this may help some people spend less time than I just have  :cool:
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: burakkucat on January 05, 2018, 10:38:36 PM
That is useful to know. Thank you for providing the information.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: michty_me on April 18, 2018, 06:42:34 PM
Netgear have issues a new version of firmware, you now have to enter the username and password to get into Telnet, and dslstats need the same now - thought this may help some people spend less time than I just have  :cool:

I was just away to ask the question of 'Why am I not getting any data now, Have they removed the function?' until I read Iains post, So thank you Iain  ;D

On a side note, I upgraded my firmware as I have been experiencing a strange lockup of the device about once a month. It seems a common issue though so I doubt it will help.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: rbz5416 on October 04, 2018, 10:52:55 PM
Anyone currently using RouterStats Lite witha D7000 v1? I can't get either the preset or user defined to respond.
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: snadge on December 22, 2018, 02:31:44 PM
can you use DSLstats with this router (Broadcom version)
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: Iain on December 22, 2018, 03:49:39 PM
Yes you can - see this helpful guide on how to do it.

Someone posted a link on how to do it, so I can't take any credit, but I did copy the instructions.

To set up DSL Stats, I used these settings:            
Modem/Router model  -              
IP Address: - set to the IP of your router            
Telnet login name: - leave blank      admin      
Telnet password - leave blank      password      
Telnet port - 23            
tick the box  " Requires command to enter shell"            
Shell command - root            
CLI command prefix - xdslctl            
            
with these settings it began collecting data for me. HTH and HAND :)            



 
Title: Re: Netgear D7000
Post by: snadge on December 22, 2018, 03:51:04 PM
Yes you can - see this helpful guide on how to do it.

Someone posted a link on how to do it, so I can't take any credit, but I did copy the instructions.

To set up DSL Stats, I used these settings:            
Modem/Router model  -              
IP Address: - set to the IP of your router            
Telnet login name: - leave blank      admin      
Telnet password - leave blank      password      
Telnet port - 23            
tick the box  " Requires command to enter shell"            
Shell command - root            
CLI command prefix - xdslctl            
            
with these settings it began collecting data for me. HTH and HAND :)

thanks  :)