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Broadband Related => FTTC and FTTP Issues => Topic started by: andy173 on June 06, 2015, 08:11:11 AM
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hi am currently on sky connect broadband at a speed of around 2mb fiber has just become available so have upgraded to unlimited fiber this will be activated on the 17th my master socket is downstairs and my router and pc upstairs joined by a 10mtr cable im determined to get the best from fiber supposedly im guarranteed 36mb my plan is to fit a filtered master socket and run a cat5 cable upstairs is this the best option or does anyone know a better way
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that is the best option. install the modem downstairs by the master socket, and run a cat5e upstairs to the router. The closer the modem is to the master socket, the better.
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im slighty confused as i dont have a modem just a router
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that is the best option. install the modem downstairs by the master socket, and run a cat5e upstairs to the router. The closer the modem is to the master socket, the better.
I suspect the OP will be getting a combined modem-router, as opposed to a modem (e.g. Huawei HG612) and router.
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im slighty confused as i dont have a modem just a router
What you have is a modem/router, a device which combines the functions of a modem and router in one box.
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in that case the router goes by the master socket. What you don't want is a 10mtr cable between the master socket and the device plugged in to it.
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im using the black sky hub seems it works for fibre and adsl there is no way for me to have the router near the master socket :( there is no electrical sockets anywhere near it
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im using the black sky hub seems it works for fibre and adsl there is no way for me to have the router near the master socket :( there is no electrical sockets anywhere near it
In that case, you should ensure that Sky order the home wiring solution from Openreach. Dependant upon the present circumstance, either the NTE5/A will be moved or a dedicated data extension will be provided.
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just had another look at this with some work i can have the router next to master socket with around a ten mtr ethernet cable to upstairs can i then split this to pc and skybox
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You can split it by using an unmanaged ethernet switch
www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-TL-SG1005D-Gigabit-Unmanaged-Desktop/dp/B000N99BBC
or run another cable
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will one of these not work http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-Port-RJ45-CAT-5-5e-6-LAN-Ethernet-Splitter-Connector-Adapter-converter-PC-UK-/151267870073?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2338448579
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Yes it will work but what it does is split the normal 4-pair gigabit ethernet cable into two 2-pair 100-megabit cables.
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Sky won't be sending an Openreach engineer I don't think, I think it will be a self-install by default.
You'll either have to run an extension for the fibre using high quality wire or you'll have to pay Openreach to move the master socket (+£100 the last time I checked).
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will one of these not work http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-Port-RJ45-CAT-5-5e-6-LAN-Ethernet-Splitter-Connector-Adapter-converter-PC-UK-/151267870073?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2338448579
you'd need two, one at either end of the 10mtr run, and would have to use two ports on your router.
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will one of these not work http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-Port-RJ45-CAT-5-5e-6-LAN-Ethernet-Splitter-Connector-Adapter-converter-PC-UK-/151267870073?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2338448579
Wrong thing if you are expecting to use the PC and skybox at the same time.
To have them both networked to the supplied router\modem you will need an Ethernet switch as quoted before.
You can split it by using an unmanaged ethernet switch
www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-TL-SG1005D-Gigabit-Unmanaged-Desktop/dp/B000N99BBC
or run another cable
I would wait or find out what hardware sky is going to supply you with.
Let us know and we can all make better informed recommendations.
My bet is that it will be some sort of combined modem router.
http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/guides/hardware/sky-broadband-routers
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thats the one i allready have was only on connect bb for a few months before fiber was installed
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thats the one i allready have was only on connect bb for a few months before fiber was installed
I'm assuming here so...
If sky aren't sending you anything and there is no scheduled engineer visit then the skyhub you have should be able to handle the new connection. You most likely have the skyhub2.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/sky-hub-2013-review
Interesting thing about the skyhub2 is that it has the integrated vdsl2 modem and is able to preconfigure itself. So when the date comes all should be well. You may have to power it off and on again?
In this case have the skyhub connected to the master socket as close as you can.
You can ether then run ethernet cable to each device from the ethernet ports on the back of the skyhub.
Or run one ethernet cable from an ethernet port on the skyhub to an ethernet switch located closer to your devices. Then connect each device to the switch.
Forget about that ebay Ethernet splitter, switches are cheap there is no need for it and is just plain wrong if you are thinking of using it for packet switched Ethernet networks.
Off topic..
What confuses me is the use of the term Fibre. To me it ain't a fibre connection unless I see the fibre cable run into my premises. What it really should be called is a VDSL2 connection as it still is a copper run coming into your premises.
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Off topic..
What confuses me is the use of the term Fibre. To me it ain't a fibre connection unless I see the fibre cable run into my premises. What it really should be called is a VDSL2 connection as it still is a copper run coming into your premises.
Yes but the ASA/OFCOM decided not to enforce the issue, so now everything that isn't adsl or wifi is fibre.
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Yes but the ASA/OFCOM decided not to enforce the issue, so now everything that isn't adsl or wifi is fibre.
:no: that is just confusion waiting to happen when service providers start actually providing fibre to the premises.
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To me it ain't a fibre connection unless I see the fibre cable run into my premises. What it really should be called is a VDSL2 connection as it still is a copper run coming into your premises.
We share the same opinion and both use the correct terminology to describe such a circuit. :)
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technically its a hybrid connection. Partly fibre and partly copper and/or aluminium
Personally I think fibre to the cabinet is a good enough descriptor, but BT, VM et al want to shout about 'fibre' (which in VM's case is even less accurate than it is with BT FTTC) and those who were supposed to stop them being able to do so chose to abdicate their responsibility in the matter. So yes it will be a complete cluster**** when actual fibre connections do become widespread. Too late to do anything about now.
Even before BT FTTC VM were bragging about fibre and I kept correcting people that it's coaxial copper not fibre. Even corrected a few VM sales reps. The perils of being a network engineer :P
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Respect to the lion. :)
I have the habit of correcting inexactitudes and nonsense where ever I see it (that is if I can be bothered . . . for it takes up some of a kittehs valuable sleeping time).
Apart from the nonsense of describing a metallic pathway carrying a VDSL2 signal as "fibre", I also give thunderous black looks to the usage of "MAC code" -- eh? pardon? "Migration Authorisation Code code" and "PIN number" -- eh? pardon? "Personal Identification Number number". ::)
Just because there are clowns, jokers and numpties in abundance doesn't mean that I will join them! To mis-use some words penned by the late Gerry Rafferty -- "Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with a numpty". :P
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To me it ain't a fibre connection unless I see the fibre cable run into my premises. What it really should be called is a VDSL2 connection as it still is a copper run coming into your premises.
We share the same opinion and both use the correct terminology to describe such a circuit. :)
A bugbear of mine too.... and why I wrote Fibre Optic Broadband which isn't! (http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/fibre-optic-broadband.htm#fibre_optic_broadband).
The UK is the only country that does this - for eg in the US 'Fibre' means FTTP/FTTH and FTTC is sole under VDSL, DSL or Internet. Mind you last time I looked AT&T classed their <6Mbps offering as High Speed :D
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Mind you last time I looked AT&T classed their <6Mbps offering as High Speed :D
When I was in the US some years ago we had a door to door salesman come around offering us high speed internet, so I asked him to define high speed. He said 1mbps so I laughed and said you'll have to try much harder than that, we've got 75mbps here.
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Well I had fibre apparently installed on the 17th but on coming home I had no Internet light on sky hub phoned sky went through all their tests and they can't make it work supposedly I'm having a man from openreach round sat afternoon anyone have any ideas why it won't work
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My educated guess, Andy, is that the .......... outside Cab work hasn't been done at all, it has been done but incorrectly, or it is faulty network/internal wiring.
Those are the most common scenario's in order. The 4th scenario is a faulty FTTC port. Either way, barring a disaster you should be up and running tomorrow. :)
PS ..... just my two-penneth on the other debate going on here ..... FWIW, BTOR call FTTC (NGA) - 'Super Fast' and the next stage NGA2 (G.Fast) will be termed 'Ultra Fast'.
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Really hope it's not internal wiring has been working fine on adsl since I changed master socket
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Really hope it's not internal wiring has been working fine on adsl since I changed master socket
If so, then options 1 or 2 above are the most likely cause ? :)
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I really hope so also hope my master socket wiring isn't questioned even tho I think I did a good job
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all sorted apparantly wires wrong way round at exchange openreach says my lind can do 75mb down :)
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Not at the Exchange …… at the Cab ….. Fibre comes from the Cab. It was as I said it would be, one of the 3 main culprits. ;)
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It reads as if the initial cabinet "work" was performed by an operative from Kelly Communications or M J Quinn and an Openreach technician was required to correct the muddle! ::)
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I'll be honest, sometimes it can be an easy mistake to happen. Especially if the Fibre Ties (E and D cables) are crossed, and one is rushing. No-one is infallible, as I found out myself when I ended up going back on a 'Repeat Report' to a 'PCP only task' I had done just the week before. ;) :) :)
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I'll be honest, sometimes it can be an easy mistake to happen. Especially if the Fibre Ties (E and D cables) are crossed, and one is rushing. No-one is infallible, as I found out myself when I ended up going back on a 'Repeat Report' to a 'PCP only task' I had done just the week before. ;) :) :)
That is a very rare "oops" from yourself! ;) :angel:
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That's kind of you to say so, Mr Cat. I wonder if the stats speak differently ?? ;D ;D :'(
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the guys that came checked to see who did work and said it was an openreach employee
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I moved onto this Vdsl on thurday after a smooth changeover ;D ;D 2PM Internet & phone went dead from TalkTalk,..5PM Still dead So i reported it in..They said there was a problem there end and diverted my calls to the mobile and said it will be sorted within 48hrs..
Next day 9am engineer rang said he was at the green box across the road and that a connection had been dislodged when doing my fibre and all was sorted now..
Yes i see VDSL is not 100% fibre,But im happy with the speed..Had 5/mbps down 0.8 up now its 22/mbps down 2mbps up.And for now the TP Link w8980 sits idle till i do the firm ware flash :fingers: