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Broadband Related => Broadband Technology => Topic started by: tommy45 on May 31, 2015, 07:38:42 PM
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/** Admin Note - Ive split the topic of modems from the main G.INP thread.
This first post wasn't necessarily the post where the modem conversation started, it was just the most logical place to split without interrupting other conversation about g.inp. **/
How do you know that G.INP on ECI cabs is any good at all?
If it's as poor as claimed, there may be further compromises needed to be added to Huawei cabs.
These changes are not even taking the ECI cab's in to account only the inferior ECI modems, When they should have either worked with a the chipset vendor, or supplied a full compatible modem , as it was their choice to
provide a modem not the EU's
As for further what you call compromises due to their lack of ability to properly sort things out, If they bork my connection further i'll cease the thing
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Not intending to cause a controversy or "stir up a hornets nest" but it is well known* that Openreach will cease supplying a modem to EUs at the beginning of next year (2016) and will cease support for all modems that they have previously supplied at the beginning of the following year (2017).
The clear intent is that all ISPs/CPs should supply and support the EUs' CPEs from the beginning of 2016.
* Currently I can't put my paws on the reference to support that statement. Perhaps someone else will be able to assist?
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Not intending to cause a controversy or "stir up a hornets nest" but it is well known* that Openreach will cease supplying a modem to EUs at the beginning of next year (2016) and will cease support for all modems that they have previously supplied at the beginning of the following year (2017).
The clear intent is that all ISPs/CPs should supply and support the EUs' CPEs from the beginning of 2016.
* Currently I can't put my paws on the reference to support that statement. Perhaps someone else will be able to assist?
I can recall reading something along those line myself BC but on a similar note to your self, i can't recall where i read it ie which site, may have been on here ?
IMO considering the many failures of ISP's providing hardware that is fully compatible It should be left upto the EU to supply their own modem /router, as ISP's supply cheap basic &nasty hardware in general the Thompson/ technicolour kit is just one prime example of this not forgetting the fact they like to add their own branded firmware that will sometime disable features and be used to lock it down(sky)
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IMO considering the many failures of ISP's providing hardware that is fully compatible It should be left upto the EU to supply their own modem /router, as ISP's supply cheap basic &nasty hardware in general the Thompson/technicolour kit is a prime example of this
remember the frog/cycle helmet modems from the fixed rate DSL days? an American friend sent me one of their freebie DSL modems and it was a revelation. I no longer had to reboot the computer every time the DSL lost sync (which was at least once a day with the cycle helmet, hardly ever with the speedstream).
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The clear intent is that all ISPs/CPs should supply and support the EUs' CPEs from the beginning of 2016.
Cheers burakkucat my new ISP has done this with nice BrightBox2 it's has plenty of user configurations unlike the HH3a and HH5a though still a lack of telnet support for stats programs and that would help the end-user to see if G.INP is being used or not.
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I can recall reading something along those line myself BC but on a similar note to your self, i can't recall where i read it ie which site, may have been on here ?
No, Tommy, not here. I saw it on a definitive web-site (either BT Wholesale or Openreach) or within a PDF file that I had downloaded from the same. I believe that our leader, Kitz, has also seen it.
(I think I am suffering from age-related memory-fade. :( )
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(I think I am suffering from age-related memory-fade. :( )
The time to start worrying is when you can't remember that you have forgotten something. :lol:
But...... if you can't remember, you'll have nothing to worry about. ???
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http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2014/10/aaisp-angered-bt-openreachs-self-install-fttc-broadband-changes.html
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Re the modems:
I too have seen RevK's rant on the subject of the modems (http://www.revk.uk/2014/10/bt-losing-plot-on-fttc.html), but Ive also seen it in an official BT document somewhere that I cant recall :/
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IMO considering the many failures of ISP's providing hardware that is fully compatible It should be left upto the EU to supply their own modem /router, as ISP's supply cheap basic &nasty hardware in general the Thompson/technicolour kit is a prime example of this
remember the frog/cycle helmet modems from the fixed rate DSL days? an American friend sent me one of their freebie DSL modems and it was a revelation. I no longer had to reboot the computer every time the DSL lost sync (which was at least once a day with the cycle helmet, hardly ever with the speedstream).
Did you mean one of these things (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2dsl.ru%2Fuploads%2Fposts%2F2013-04%2F1366293289_1.jpg&hash=1b8b608457a9ede75bcde412474b7b60624874ff) Speedtouch ST300 upto 8mbps max usb modem?
Or a bit later there were other turds available such as these (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.speedtouch.ca%2Fimages%2Fproducts%2F22_%7EST516v6web.JPG&hash=c0c29f588900fa1601d3c32e25004c528cd7fb7b)This had 1 Ethernet port
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(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kitguru.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FAlcatel-frog.jpg&hash=fd1419f3e71ee010c85348ba36a79c8a29a8b184)
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That's the one I first remember, Dray.
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A triumph of form over function :)
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(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kitguru.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FAlcatel-frog.jpg&hash=fd1419f3e71ee010c85348ba36a79c8a29a8b184)
Those iirc were dubbed 'rays' and the following 'frogs' or cycle helmets
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kitz.co.uk%2Fadsl%2Fimages%2Fmodems%2Fspeedtouch_330.jpg&hash=b1c2ca54674f0e7c32923e8b0291536723849627)
I can recall they also did a 'purple frog' which my friend got. I cant recall if they were a limited edition because I dont think the functunality was any different but me being a purple freak I was a bit jealous.
I also have (or did have - perhaps its in the loft) an old one of these, but I thought mine was more navy blue than grey
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2dsl.ru%2Fuploads%2Fposts%2F2013-04%2F1366293289_1.jpg&hash=1b8b608457a9ede75bcde412474b7b60624874ff)
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(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.soslug.org%2Fsites%2Fsoslug.org%2Ffiles%2Fimages%2Fadsl_spt_modem.jpg&hash=1ba57e7929da6a9a8c6a1c040211b9b5842de7ce)
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I realise that the subject of this thread is "G.INP - BT rollout 2015", so I'll be brief.
The FTTC product is routinely referred to as NGA GEA. That is Next Generation Access Generic Ethernet Access. Look at the second of the two abbreviations -- GEA. So how will Generic Ethernet Access be provided when the BT Group cease to provide a device to bridge from VDSL2 to Ethernet and the converse, Ethernet to VDSL2? ???
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The FTTC product is routinely referred to as NGA GEA. That is Next Generation Access Generic Ethernet Access.
Well i am just clad that the above abbreviations has been explained to me and i find the Google search a pain in the arse sometimes decoding abbreviations ;)
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I realise that the subject of this thread is "G.INP - BT rollout 2015", so I'll be brief.
The FTTC product is routinely referred to as NGA GEA. That is Next Generation Access Generic Ethernet Access. Look at the second of the two abbreviations -- GEA. So how will Generic Ethernet Access be provided when the BT Group cease to provide a device to bridge from VDSL2 to Ethernet and the converse, Ethernet to VDSL2? ???
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If Ive understood your question correctly, then ceasing to supply the CPE (modem) doesnt affect anything. NGA GEA is a product that is available to Service Providers who can purchase a GEA cablelink to access Openreach's FTTC network.
TalkTalk & Sky purchase GEA for NGAccess. The likes of Plusnet, AAISP etc dont actually purchase GEA, instead they purchase from BTWholesale who purchase multiple GEA cablelinks from BTOpenreach for use by multiple ISPs. GEA specifically applies to ethernet presentation to the SP or carrier at the point of handover.
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I've just been looking at your ADSL modem memorabilia and those were a bit before my time. Here's the first ADSL modem I ever had:
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FzLrdE0Tm.jpg&hash=6faa25f36ab9c0cb862811411a6130169b2fca35) (http://imgur.com/zLrdE0T)
It was from AOL (:o) and I remember it had "BT AOL working together" written on it hahaha.
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(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kitguru.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FAlcatel-frog.jpg&hash=fd1419f3e71ee010c85348ba36a79c8a29a8b184)
The Alcatel Speedtouch. First modem I had when ADSL was first rolled out, oh the speed change from dialup's 48.8Kbps to 512Kbps downstream. Unfortunately I first suffered with it regularly losing power from USB (which in the end turned out to be an incompatibility with the VIA chipset on the motherboard.
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First I had was one of these:
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fabiware.com%2Fimages%2FSAGEM%2520Fast%2520800%2520E4.JPG&hash=677922833135080d3e0e07a49d40fd057c09597d)
Even came with some basic stats (http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/frogstats.php#37) options.
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(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kitguru.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FAlcatel-frog.jpg&hash=fd1419f3e71ee010c85348ba36a79c8a29a8b184)
The Alcatel Speedtouch. First modem I had when ADSL was first rolled out, oh the speed change from dialup's 48.8Kbps to 512Kbps downstream. Unfortunately I first suffered with it regularly losing power from USB (which in the end turned out to be an incompatibility with the VIA chipset on the motherboard.
Didn't this object appear in 'Batteries not Included' :'(
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If Ive understood your question correctly, then ceasing to supply the CPE (modem) doesnt affect anything. NGA GEA is a product that is available to Service Providers who can purchase a GEA cablelink to access Openreach's FTTC network.
TalkTalk & Sky purchase GEA for NGAccess. The likes of Plusnet, AAISP etc dont actually purchase GEA, instead they purchase from BTWholesale who purchase multiple GEA cablelinks from BTOpenreach for use by multiple ISPs. GEA specifically applies to ethernet presentation to the SP or carrier at the point of handover.
Hmm No. 1 . . . But surely there are two ends to every circuit. I was just considering the EU's end. Currently when Openreach provide and install a modem (Huawei or ECI) the EU has an Ethernet socket from which the service is provided. I have a feeling that I need to consult one of Beattie's SINs (http://www.btplc.com/sinet/) . . . the one that displays the demarcation points for GEA and telephony at the EU's premises.
Hmm No. 2 . . . I see there is a newer version of SIN 498 (http://www.btplc.com/sinet/SINs/pdf/498v6p0_C.pdf) but with the same date and "version" number as before. The PDF file is now 498v6p0_C.pdf whilst previously it was 498v6p0.pdf. More reading! ::)
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I havent checked, but I dont know if you'll find anything at SINET other than reference to the GEA cablelink. NGA comes under OFCOMs domain. The term GEA is more to do with the OFCOM rules of Equivalence of Input thingy or whatever its called. I would imagine that OFCOMs site would be the best place to go to get a full explanation, but I'll attempt to give an overview:
- Access to the copper network (CGA) is done at the Inspan Handover frame where they are presented with the tie pair.
- Obviously there isnt a tie pair for the FTTC/FTTP NGA network to present to the CP because thats in the field at the DSLAM.. and the CPs cant access the DSLAMs where the other end of the fibre is so instead the SP purchases an aggregated cablelink at the OLT.
Theres a lot more involved and youre talking VLANS etc but basically OFCOM ruled that BT must also provide access to Openreach's Next Generation Network. The equivalent to LLU is VULA (Virtual Unbundled Local Access) and because its presented as Ethernet hence the term GEA. Thats all it is - access point for SPs to BT's Fibre part of the local Network.
The fact that its VDSL rather than ADSL doesnt make any difference when it comes to the CPE. The Ethernet part perhaps youre thinking of isnt OLT <--> customers premises. Its the Fibre between cab and the head-end exchange. That final bit is still copper and that totally belongs to Openreach for which there is no access for the SPs.
When it comes to termination of t'other end, nothings changed other than they no longer supply the modem, just like 10+ years ago they stopped supplying the frog modems. The consumers and SPs wanted self install and the option to purchase/supply their own modem/routers and so thats what is happening now. Demarcation point is still the NTE same as with adsl. Hope that makes sense :)