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Computer Software => Windows 10 => Topic started by: kitz on June 01, 2015, 08:02:19 PM
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Im currently using Win7Pro and got the following message via Windows Update this evening.
Reserve your Free upgrade to Windows 10 now. It will be download* once available and you can cancel your reservation at any time
*Yes, free. This limited time upgrade offer is for a full version of Windows 10, not a trial. 3GB download required.
There was also a link with more info
http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/windows-10-upgrade?ocid=win10_auxapp_LearnMore_win10
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Yes, I got it too. Supposedly to be released on 29th July, free offer lasts for 1 year. What to do? ???
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I've seen the message on a W8.1 desktop today, but we've been away a few days so not sure from when that would have been visible.
I think my main W7 system won't get it as I hid the update. But I'm planning to rebuild it soon with bigger disks and without XP (currently dual-boot) and will then "probably" migrate up to W10 after a decent wait if other systems do so OK.
My W10 test desktop system will be the first target, after I've reverted it to its OEM W7 and let all the missing updates arrive. Presumably at the end of July. The W8.1 desktop will probably follow fairly quickly.
The test system is updating as I type this to version 10130.
Couple of other W7 systems (laptops) that I'll need to think about..............
And probably definitely some others kicking about that I've forgotten overlooked. :-[
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This also appeared on a W7 laptop that I currently have no main use for.
So, I clicked on the "Reserve" button in that window and after a few seconds the window closed. That was it!
I relaunched from the tray icon and the button had gone, exploring a bit and it just said there were no issues with my PC and I would be notified when further progress was possible. There was a "cancel" option too.
No request for email or ID so it's presumably tied in to the PC, probably via Windows Update.
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Is there anyone cynical like me and thinking "Whats the catch?"
In the days whereby cloud type apps become the norm then Im not sure I like that. I prefer a one off fee rather than monthly subscriptions, yet I cant see any sign of that yet with Win10, but there have been rumours.
Subscription based software kind of scares me because the costs can soon esclate as the various apps soon add up. I was only discussing this with someone else a couple of weeks ago. I have a (now old) copy of Dreamweaver and Photoshop that I originally bought on a Students licence but Adobe costs have since sky rocketed and Im not eligable to purchase on student licence anymore. It concerns me because the whole site is managed by dreamweaver and the site wouldnt support the monthly cloud based fees for Dreamweaver alone nvm photoshop which I use for the diagrams etc. I think it worked out at about £50 pm for an individual and even more for business. It peed me off that it was cheaper in the US (about £20 iirc). The site is massive and has hundred of pages (add in the fact a lot wont actually be visible because some pages have dependencies) that it would be a nightmare to convert to anything else now :(
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No request for email or ID so it's presumably tied in to the PC, probably via Windows Update.
Its telling me all apps and hardware is compatible but requesting an email (I think). I see "Your upgrade is reserved" yet the button is still there ???
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On my W8.1 system it asked for an optional email to notify me, I chose not to do that though but it all seems to have "passed".
And the button has gone. ;)
I too am wondering what the catch is (or will be eventually), but for Microsoft I see simplicity of support and a more secure base......
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It's free because nobody would buy it because Microsoft have {censored} up again.
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People will always buy it. Not to mention the fact that millions of new PCs/Laptops are sold every year with it pre-installed and within the purchase cost.
I thought they were supposed to have it more right this time. Never had a problem with XP or Win7.. or going back further WinNT was stable.
IMHO Win8 was OK underneath, but the lack of start menu and charms did not prove popular for desktop users.
Vista I didnt like much at all. I have three licensed copies of it, but none were ever used and I rolled back to XP.
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So is this an in place upgrade? Will all programs currently installed still work afterwards?
And if anybody uses Media Centre (as we do) will that be gone after the upgrade?
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It seems to imply an in place upgrade.
There is a check for compatibility with apps, but the word app for some reason makes me think small apps and not full blown programs. - My report is attached below and the compatability faq link is here (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/what-compatiblity-report-means?ocid=win10_auxapp_ReportCovers_%20compatibility)
Re Media Centre :(
Windows Media Center – If you use Windows Media Center, we will alert you that Windows Media Center is not available on Windows 10.
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Just found a good info page here (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications) which lists which features will be uninstalled/installed during the upgrade.
This is also interesting
Applications, files and settings will migrate as part of the upgrade, however some applications or settings may not migrate.
For Anti-virus and Anti-malware applications, during upgrade Windows will check to see if your Anti-virus or Anti-malware subscription is current. Windows will uninstall your application while preserving your settings. After upgrade is complete, Windows will install the latest version available with the settings that were set prior to upgrade. If your subscription is not current, upgrade will enable Windows defender.
Some applications that came from your OEM may be removed prior to upgrade.
For certain third party applications, the “Get Windows 10” app will scan for application compatibility. If there is a known issue that will prevent the upgrade, you will be notified of the list of applications with known issues. You can choose to accept and the applications will be removed from the system prior to upgrade. Please be sure to copy the list before you accept the removal of the application.
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I reserved my copy from the W7 yesterday.
Nothing came up on my dads W8.1 laptop so far. The notification appeared!
On the compatability thing bluetooth atheros seems to have a problem on mine. I upgraded the driver yesterday but still no go. I guess I'll leave it until W10 gets installed then eventually im thinking a driver will be updated.
Let's hope W10 is a good upgrade!
P.S.
Apparently the 'update' is going to be downloading between now and july 29th. So the files will sit on the computer until the 29th date.
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I normally wait a year before upgrading any Windows version to avoid (hopefully most of) the inevitable bugs.. So - does anyone know how long a grace period there is between the d/l and needing to actually upgrade for free? It'll be a dual boot setup here anyway on all machines.
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On the compatability thing bluetooth atheros seems to have a problem on mine.
Ditto, same problem on a new Windows 8.1 All in One Lenovo PC. (Less than 9 months old)
It appears Qualcomm ATHEROS have not bothered to update the software to be compatible with Windows 10.
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1072.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw364%2FGrapheneMan%2FAtheros%2520Win%252010%2520missing_zpsf4rmngvf.png&hash=d3bc36feb659973c2d9b64ff6b6687e33fe2bf1f)
It will be interesting to see if they do AFTER all the complaints from people who lose Bluetooth when upgrading. ??? :o ;D
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in place upgrades are bad, the reccomended practice has always been a clean install, which is odd as microsoft go against their own reccomendations encouraing in place upgrades.
I hold some hope tho given it says to download a file first, so I hope there is a chance to download an iso not just an exe installer.
I have registered both my laptop and main pc for this upgrade and they both share the same key, so it seems it will honour 10 activations technet licenses.
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I normally wait a year before upgrading any Windows version to avoid (hopefully most of) the inevitable bugs.. So - does anyone know how long a grace period there is between the d/l and needing to actually upgrade for free? It'll be a dual boot setup here anyway on all machines.
As I posted earlier, 1 year
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I have a laptop i bought from PC specialist and as you probably know laptop drivers are a ******** pain. How would it work if i upgraded from Windows 7? I will probably have no windows 10 drivers from pc specialist unless windows 10 is magic and does eveything for me :)
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I have a laptop i bought from PC specialist and as you probably know laptop drivers are a ******** pain. How would it work if i upgraded from Windows 7? I will probably have no windows 10 drivers from pc specialist unless windows 10 is magic and does eveything for me :)
[Edit by admin to remove bad language]
I believe the Windows 10 upgrade tool which comes through with Windows Update checks all drivers etc are available before offering the upgrade, thats what it did on my Windows 7 desktop. It hasn't appeared yet on my Dell laptop running Win7 though.
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A clean install will be possible https://twitter.com/GabeAul/status/605899873360019457
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Hi All,
A couple of comments;
kitz
In the days whereby cloud type apps become the norm then Im not sure I like that.
Be afraid, be very afraid! marketing peepz would have you believe it is actually cheaper to pay as you go and in some case (businesses with multiple copies of same software for instance) it can be argued this will be true. Most though will find they pay more. The Cloud is more about control, power and money and the benefits are definitely stacked against the consumer, especially if net neutrality gets blown out of the water.
AlecR
Microsoft have {censored} up again
This cant be possible ;) they have a tried and testsed formulea, good OS, bad OS, good OS.....
Ronski
And if anybody uses Media Centre (as we do) will that be gone after the upgrade?
According to a misinformed Microsoft "The main scenario people used WMC for was to play DVD. :-X I still use it on my HTPC and rarley for playing DVD's.
From what I read Windows Media Center is effectively dead, as Microsoft has no plans to support the software with Windows 10. Worse still peepz who opt for a free OS upgrade from Windows 7 or 8.1 will lose Media Center functionality altogether. And no, there won't be a way to get the software back.
See Twitter feed https://twitter.com/GabeAul/status/595325485309005824 (https://twitter.com/GabeAul/status/595325485309005824)
If you haven't tried it take a look at Media browser 3. DOH! emby as its called now.
jid
I believe the Windows 10 upgrade tool which comes through with Windows Update checks all drivers
From experience old hardware which the manufacture wants to support in newer OS's should have drivers built into the newer OS's.
Kitezens reading this article may want to read the following article The Free Upgrade to Windows 10 for Windows 7 OEM, Windows 7 Retail, Windows 8.1 OEM and Windows 8.1 Retail Users At the bottom it didn't read well for Dell users.
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_install/the-free-upgrade-to-windows-10-for-windows-7-oem/b622ef33-ac69-4ca1-b7d1-9aa08321809f (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_install/the-free-upgrade-to-windows-10-for-windows-7-oem/b622ef33-ac69-4ca1-b7d1-9aa08321809f)
If it hasn't been said already MAKE sure you have your COA key, use an app to recover it if it is faded and installation media in case the upgrade goes tits up
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Berrick, I'm in the process of changing to Mediaportal, have been for a long time but never find the time to complete things. I have 4 tuners in my server acting as a tv server. I also have Emby installed from when I was experimenting, but for the moment will keep MP for TV duties. I've been using MCE since late 2006 for all TV watching and recording, but realised that MS were dropping it a long time ago, which is a shame as it could of been really good if they'd put some more effort in.
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I'm aiming to buy a new computer too when Win 10 comes out to replace this old main computer running Win XP.. It really struggles to run some apps these days as most are bloated with memory requirements and I'm still limited, being 32bit.
I'll see if I like Win 10 when it does the upgrade to decide if I want Win 10 on my new computer.
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If its anything like the Technical Preview by the time its retail released i'd be ok running it. Its built on Win7 so its pretty stable, but with some more 8/8.1 interface tweaks with a visual rework back to desktop styling rather than touchscreens. The Start button is indeed back which incorporates metro apps in a modulised form.
On my older PC, the tech preview had drivers for a legacy soundcard i could never make work in win7... so it has a pretty good on device support too.
It does, however, incorporate more cloud-based services and the ability to access a single profile over remote machines - hence the email registration/sign-in.
Although I cant help but think the 1yr free upgrade is almost a 'sorry we screwed up' apology.
Im going to stick to Win7 for the moment on my main box, I really don't have a reason to upgrade as I have no use for the new features as yet, in time i can see Win7 support being pulled then it'll be an almost forced upgrade :/
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I will not be upgrading. I can't stand the metro interface elements and the whole email login and forced integration of all the online stuff scares me because I'm extremely privacy conscious.
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Email login etc. is not forced at all, though it's the default route and needs a little thought/persistence to avoid.
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I also don't trust Microsoft not to start charging a subscription fee for it, their vision of 'windows as a service' lends itself well to that and they've already done it with office.
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Regarding dvd is 2 things.
VLC player supports dvd playback and is free.
Microsoft have said they will add DVD playback to windows 10 in some way, but not said how yet.
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here is a minilist of downsides, , the only one there thats bad for me is the updates and since I will have win10 pro that one is bypassed.
There will probably be a fuller more technical list somewhere tho.
http://www.neowin.net/news/here-are-the-features-that-will-no-longer-work-when-you-upgrade-to-windows-10
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I didn't read the original article but it was reported on another site that windows x will even be available to people running 'Pirate Copies' of previous versions of windows.
So if true which I have no reason to doubt, is that then because Microsoft can't detect working pirate copies or as already mentioned 'have a hidden agenda' ?
Some comments from a few other posts are:-
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I reserved a copy, but after reading just now, that there will be no way to disable automatic updates, have cancelled the reservation and will stick with windows 7
But a work-around would be:-
Bearing in mind that update is a service and can therefore be disabled, the following will disable updates. (Run a session)
stop-service wuauserv
set-service wuauserv –startup disabled
No service means no auto update.
or create a reg file using notepad and save as - something.reg
The contents of the reg file
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdat e\UX]
"IsConvergedUpdateStackEnabled"=dword:00000000
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdat e\UX\Settings]
"UxOption"=dword:00000000
That will bring the update applet back to control panel.
Until the official consumer release anything you read could be inaccurate.
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If you want to remove the update to 10 messages then un-install the update number KB3035583
How to uninstall KB3035583 – The Windows 10 Downloader for Windows 7 and 8.1
http://www.myce.com/news/how-to-uninstall-kb3035583-the-windows-10-downloader-for-windows-7-and-8-1-75681/
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Why I mention the Store is because that is a big money maker and must be one of the reasons MS are going to give it away. You can't sell apps to Windows 7 users, they need to upgrade,
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I'm going to be installing Linux over my wife's W8.1 system on her laptop. Not because I am a Linux geek but because she is totally fed up with it not behaving itself. She is sick of stuff requiring a reboot when she wants to use it, yes she can defer it (mostly but not always) but that's not the point it should not be required. On her old laptop which had Linux she was more than happy with it but this new (relatively) one had to wait for Linux to catch up with Nvidia Optimus (an Nvidia issue not a Linux one), and now it has I will be finally removing Windows from it. One of the final straws was this update thing, Windows has a totally useless update process - the design of Windows requiring updates and reboots so often is so 19th century it is not true. I can set up a Linux system for her which looks exactly like her W8.1 system that she does not notice and the likelyhood of it requiring a reboot is so small, even when it does she does not notice as it does not complain and just gets on with it on shutdown and the next boot.
I will continue with W7 for my weather station, not because I like it but because the author has not provided a suitable Linux version of the software. The Linux software which does exist is not yet good enough, but as soon as it is be assured I willl dump Windows for good.
Sorry rant off - but Windows is so 19th century its not true.
Stuart
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Have just reserved my free install of Windows 10 and have two boot options Vista and Windows 8.1 guess which one is better ? ;) it's 8.1 but my mind likes Vista now you see it, it's not the change of OS it's the change of familiarity which scares the user.
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Good tip in regards to disabling windows update service.
As far as i know the win10 update applet will not automatically install windows 10, I think it will just auto pre download it and then allow installation after the release date.
I dont like how microsoft wont allow a clean install until "after" a in place upgrade has been done but I guess its better than not having the option at all.
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'IF' a return to a previous OS is wanted then this will either have to be a complete reinstall or a install of a backup copy.
For the install of a previous OS I wonder if MS will still have the list of drivers available or will people have to start a search of independent software companies website to be able to get drivers to get their system back working the way it was?
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They wont support reverting the OS.
By clean install I meant clean install of windows 10.
The best way to downgrade afterwards is to restore an image backup if possible which will of course reinstate all previous active drivers.
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The best way to downgrade afterwards is to restore an image backup if possible which will of course reinstate all previous active drivers.
Which realistically means 'Upgrading' for the individual concerned.
Although there are a great many backup programs around, I still prefer my ancient floppy disc copy of Norton Ghost Backup.
(Used with my USB floppy disc unit)
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If MS have any sense they will make it such that once you have upgraded via the approved path thereby using the same license key then this key is no longer valid for a downgrade back to the previous OS win7/8/vista that it was originally used on.
so even if you have an image - you are f*****ed.
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If MS have any sense they will make it such that once you have upgraded via the approved path thereby using the same license key then this key is no longer valid for a downgrade back to the previous OS win7/8/vista that it was originally used on.
so even if you have an image - you are f*****ed.
That is very likely, on the plusnet forum I recommended to people to try out win10 using the enterprise 90 day evaluation iso first, which then wont trash your license.
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If MS have any sense they will make it such that once you have upgraded via the approved path thereby using the same license key then this key is no longer valid for a downgrade back to the previous OS win7/8/vista that it was originally used on.
so even if you have an image - you are f*****ed.
Until someone cracks their WGA or whatever they will use
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I got the offer this morning - don't think I'll be updating straight away.
It's going to have to be a heck of a lot better than Win 7 for me to be persuaded upgrade, so as ever I'll wait and see what the general feedback is on it first.
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How to stop it bugging you to upgrade:
http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/how-stop-windows-10-upgrade-downloading-your-system
How to cancel your update reservation:
http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/successfully-cancelling-your-windows-10-upgrade-reservation
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One thing that worrys me about Windows 10 is the lack of Windows Media Center as i use it all the time for DVB-T2 to record programs and watch live TV.
On Windows 8.X is was an option to download WMC and it was free before a certain date, when reading up on Windows 10 and also had the preview up and runing it said you could use your old WMC 8.X licence key but you would lose your automatic updates so never bothered to experiment into this.
Is WMC gone on MS10 or will be able to use the MS 8.1 version ?
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its gone.
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use it all the time for DVB-T2 to record programs and watch live TV.
What sort of tuner is it, most come with suitable programs to do that.
e.g. my main PC has a Hauppauge tuner (PCI so internal) and I use WinTV8.
Had to pay a few pennies to upgrade from WinTV7 which does all you stated, but that isn't mandatory.
(TV8 has some extra features I use at times, especially streaming from the tuner to a wireless device such as an iPad)
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What sort of tuner is it, most come with suitable programs to do that.
e.g.
The tuner is PCTV Nano stick T2 (290e) i have to use TVcenter on vista to watch HD & SD channels and can use windows media center but it can only display SD channels yet on windows 8.1 media center i can watch HD & SD channels.
I can say that the TVCENTER software is crap compared to Microsofts media center !
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I'm sure there was a hack on Vista to get HD working, but that's a very distant memory now.
I've been using MCE since November 2006 roughly around the time that the Beta version of Vista was available and then quickly moved to W7 when the Beta was released.
It's been known for a long time that MCE will eventually be retired which is a shame. So I've been looking at alternatives and will probably settle on Mediaportal TV Server along with Kodi installed on Amazon Fire TV. Where I keep full PC's I have the choice of MP or Kodi. The advantage of this is just my server will do the recordings and every other PC or Android device will be able to schedule recordings, watch recordings and live TV. The only slight down side is series record is not quite so good/easy.
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Thanks Ronski testing out Mediaportal TV Server all working very well and a hell of a lot settings to play with, though i whish there was a startup res of 1920X1080 i could setup 12noon display changer to do this.
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Not sure what you mean by a startup res of 1920X1080 .There are a lot of different skins you can use. If you need a set up guide try this https://www.avforums.com/threads/mediaportal-setup-guide.1602323/
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What i meen Ronski my normal desktop resolution is 1024*768 for web browsing and stuff but when i use the TV tuner software i need it change the resolution to 1920*1080 (HD) automatically and when i finish using the program it go's back to 1024*768.
My eyes are not as good as they use to be ;)
Well lets say i very impressed with Mediaportal i have ditched PCTV TVCenter its full of bugs.
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What i meen Ronski my normal desktop resolution is 1024*768 for web browsing and stuff but when i use the TV tuner software i need it change the resolution to 1920*1080 (HD) automatically and when i finish using the program it go's back to 1024*768.
My eyes are not as good as they use to be ;)
Well lets say i very impressed with Mediaportal i have ditched PCTV TVCenter its full of bugs.
Lots of people have asked for a facility to change resolution but it's never happened, there was a plugin but it's vanished AFAICS.
And if it wasn't for all the crashing and lockups when trying to run the configuration utility it would be very good...
Does anyone know how to set the TV Schedule/Channels etc so it shows the real Channel Numbers and not just the order it collected them in :-X Having BBC One HD on channel 77 is not a lot of help.
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Thats ok Tony i thought you could do this within the settings, but you can do the same using 12noon display Changer, you can set this up on the Icon for MediaPortal and as soon as you double click the icon it changes the display to what you set it to and once you end the program it goes back to the default.
I am also seeing that to Tony BBC1 HD shiuld be 101 but the channel list is showing it as 66.
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Tony if you untick select channels by index (non-US) that seems to get the channels numbers back in the correct order they should be in.
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Tony if you untick select channels by index (non-US) that seems to get the channels numbers back in the correct order they should be in.
Yes that worked thanks :)
I don't actually need to change resolution, I run at 2560 x 1600 all the time on a 30" monitor. It's the size of the MP window itself I would like to change at startup as it's way too big for me but it's not a problem, just an inconvenience to have to do it manually.
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Glad you've got it working NS and are pleased with it - I hadn't noticed the updates to this thread.
PS. When you shift to W10 it should have much better scaling (W8.1 does too), so no need to change resolution just change the DPI scaling (http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2013/07/15/windows-8-1-dpi-scaling-enhancements/). My eye sight is also going, I now wear glasses most of the time for reading/work :-(
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Yes Ronski this software will become the default media center on Win10 if from what i am seeing on this old Vista can go between different programs while Media portal is streaming live tv no pauses no stutter though i have set the timeshift buffer to seperate HD drive, it's a well coded peice of software, and the option to use the Graphic Card 650GTX or CPU for HD is great for me.
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I have been loath to try it. Remind me, please, is it the 10UX Pack I need to preview it safely? Where's the best source?
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Have always found majorgeeks a reliable source.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/windows_10_ux_pack.html (http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/windows_10_ux_pack.html)