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Broadband Related => Broadband Hardware => Topic started by: ip75 on April 09, 2015, 03:03:34 PM
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This looks interesting: http://www.netgear.co.uk/home/products/networking/dsl-modems-routers/d6400.aspx
Not entirely certain which chipset it has but there's some evidence from Googling around that it's a BCM 63168. Price is £150 from Amazon (for example).
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Not entirely certain which chipset it has but there's some evidence from Googling around that it's a BCM 63168.
I, like you, found a hint that it uses the Broadcom 63168 chipset but nothing was definite. So I downloaded the source code for the initial firmware image (~674 MB) and took a look inside . . .
The D6400-V1.0.0.22_with_toolchain_src/D6400_GPL_Src/ directory contains the following --
[Duo2 D6400_GPL_Src]$ ls
bcmdrivers hostTools make.common Makefile prebuilt release targets version.make
data-model kernel make.deprules make.modsw README shared userspace
[Duo2 D6400_GPL_Src]$
Note the directory bcmdrivers, which confirms Broadcom. Let's see what the README file contains --
[Duo2 D6400_GPL_Src]$ cat README
BCM963xx Consumer Release Notes
This release contains all of the files needed to build a BCM963xx DSL Router
image. To build an image, enter:
# make PROFILE=<profile_name>
For example,
# make PROFILE=96368GW
The final image is located in the images subdirectory. This image can be
specified in the BCM963xx Web interface image upgrade item in order to
upgrade the DSL router image.
[Duo2 D6400_GPL_Src]$
So now we know BCM963xx.
Performing a crude recursive grep of everything for a mention of 63168 returns --
[Duo2 D6400_GPL_Src]$ grep -R 63168 *
bcmdrivers/opensource/net/enet/impl5/eth_pwrmngt.c: msleep(1); /* Without this, the speed LED on 63168 stays on */
bcmdrivers/opensource/net/xtmrt/impl5/xtmrt_runner.c: * BCM63168 SAR.
bcmdrivers/opensource/char/board/bcm963xx/impl1/board.c: /* Force BCM63168, BCM63169, and BCM63269 to be BCM63268) */
bcmdrivers/opensource/char/board/bcm963xx/impl1/board.c: if( ( (r & 0xffffe) == 0x63168 )
<snip>
Nothing conclusive. :-\
Finally I had a quick rummage around in the D6400-V1.0.0.22_with_toolchain_src/D6400_GPL_Src/bcmdrivers/broadcom/include/bcm963xx/ directory. It contains the following files --
[Duo2 bcm963xx]$ ls
adsldrv.h AdslMibDef.h atmapidrv.h bcmadsl.h bcmatmapi.h bcmmii_exports.h bcmsw_api.h bcmxdsl.h bpm.h DiagDef.h ingqos.h VdslInfoDef.h
[Duo2 bcm963xx]$
Something compelled me to look at the VdslInfoDef.h header file. One section of it shows --
/* VdslPhys status definitions */
#define kVdslPhysStatusNoDefect (1 << 0)
#define kVdslPhysStatusLOF (1 << 1) /* lossOfFraming (not receiving valid frame) */
#define kVdslPhysStatusLOS (1 << 2) /* lossOfSignal (not receiving signal) */
#define kVdslPhysStatusLPR (1 << 3) /* lossOfPower */
#define kVdslPhysStatusLOSQ (1 << 4) /* lossOfSignalQuality */
#define kVdslPhysStatusLOM (1 << 5) /* lossOfMargin */
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All you need to look at in the source code is the version of the adsl_phy bin file.
A2pv6C = BCM6368
A2pv6F = BCM63168
Since it's the latter, this confirms that the D6400 uses BCM63168.
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All you need to look at in the source code is the version of the adsl_phy bin file.
A2pv6C = BCM6368
A2pv6F = BCM63168
Since it's the latter, this confirms that the D6400 uses BCM63168.
[Duo2 D6400-V1.0.0.22_with_toolchain_src]$ strings ./D6400_GPL_Src/bcmdrivers/broadcom/char/adsl/impl1/adsl_phyD6400.bin_save | grep -i a2pv6
Broadcom DSL Version A2pv6F039j
[Duo2 D6400-V1.0.0.22_with_toolchain_src]$
Purrfect! :)
Thank you for "helping out".
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You're welcome.
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Thanks guys. Note its available in the UK from April 14th :)
Ive added it to the main list and split all this info off so that it now has its own discussion topic.
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Thanks for the info. So given two routers with the same Broadcom chipset, will they both be equally stable on a given line? Or is it possible for the router manufacturer's own firmware to affect stability? I always assumed they'd all be equally stable, but some of the problems routers are having with VDSL2 (e.g. the Asus ones, although I know these are not Broadcom based) suggests that the manufacturer's firmware also plays a part.
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Ive added it to the main list and split all this info off so that it now has its own discussion topic.
An excellent idea. Thank you ma'am! :cat:
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Thanks for the info. So given two routers with the same Broadcom chipset, will they both be equally stable on a given line? Or is it possible for the router manufacturer's own firmware to affect stability? I always assumed they'd all be equally stable, but some of the problems routers are having with VDSL2 (e.g. the Asus ones, although I know these are not Broadcom based) suggests that the manufacturer's firmware also plays a part.
I would expect that how the other components, which make up a modem/router, are controlled/operated by software will also play a part. Basically if you could loan me two modem/routers, both using the Broadcom BCM63168 chipset and essentially identical, then at the end of a period of comprehensive testing my report to you would show that one performs "better" than the other.
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I've always found WiFi performance and range on NETGEAR routers to he horrible. I hope this is a change.
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Hi, i am very new as you can tell and I am soon to be connected to a Plusnet FTTC (BT Infinity) package and I am considering buying one of these but does anyone now if this support G.INP please ?
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Hi
All these Broadcom based modem/routers do not differ very much, they all follow Broadcom's reference design and run the Broadcom software stack which the manufacturer, or usually the OEM they've contracted, adds a WebUI in the branding as required. Unless they have messed up with the circuit design the VDSL and router performance will be very similar to the next one using the same chipset. I've even crossed flashed firmwares before between totally different makes of router using the same chipset and they've worked fine because essentially they are identical.
Netgear have a reputation for not always getting the design right and have been known to release the same model in a 'Version 2' and then dropping all support on the Version 1 due to some unfixable problem.
My recommendation, go for the ZyXEL VMG8924, same specs and internals as the Netgear D6400 plus the option of VoIP built in (you don't have to use it of course), for what looks like £30 less, in much the same form factor. The ZyXEL firmware has had a few rough edges but I'd expect the same on a new release of a Netgear model, just the way we are sold consumer devices like this these days, and quite a few of us here are finding the VDSL connection rock solid on the ZyXEL.
Regards
Phil
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All NETGEAR devices seem to have issues.
The DGND3700 v1 was a terrible router that NETGEAR gave up supporting after a year and released a version 2.
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Thank you both for your replies and you have confirmed what my head was telling me, although i don't base that on any technical knowledge and it was my heart that was saying to stick with the Netgear as i have had a DGND3300v2 for quite some time and after persevering with the wireless set up, ie choosing my own channel rather than letting it do it itself, it has been great.
I'm sure I will be back soon.
Thank you
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I have ordered the following, hoping this is the correct one...
http://www.stuff-uk.net/p-1726434.aspx (http://www.stuff-uk.net/p-1726434.aspx)
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Hi
Yes that is the correct one, a bargain price as well. When you get it you will want to update it to the latest firmware, the best one I've used that is stable is the beta 8v2 from here: ftp://certified:zyxel@ftp.zyxel.it/firmware/VMG8924/
Regards
Phil
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Great, thank you, I thought the price was good too, thanks for the firmware link - I'll be back with an update, I'm not getting the fibre enabled for about a week so will report back then
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I have ordered the following, hoping this is the correct one...
http://www.stuff-uk.net/p-1726434.aspx (http://www.stuff-uk.net/p-1726434.aspx)
Ouch! :ouch: I've just seen the price.
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I have ordered the following, hoping this is the correct one...
http://www.stuff-uk.net/p-1726434.aspx (http://www.stuff-uk.net/p-1726434.aspx)
Ouch! :ouch: I've just seen the price.
They were over £150 at one time. I would have liked one, but my budget limited me to the VMG8324 for which I paid £109.13. The price has come down since as they do. Even so when I bought mine £110 was a pretty decent price for what you got, and compared to the other [few] vdsl routers available at the time.
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PPI paid for mine otherwise I would have had to get a cup and a string instead :)
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Ive just got hold of one of these to play with for a while.
Setup was easy and initial sync is the same as any other Broadcom device.
Im trying to access telnet but can not seem to unlock it. Ive tried the telnetenable app and entered IP address MAC Address and GearGuy Geardog, but just get "send failed: 10057"
Any idea?
Was hoping to compare the stats, but cant see much at the mo!
Thanks
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Well my VMG8924 turned up today and i haven't a clue what you are talking about :)
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I'm referring to the netgear d6400 and trying to gain access to debug mode to get telnet to work.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Doing a detailed search of the net, it would appear that in late 2014, Netgear decided to change from TCP port 23 to UDP port 23.
"The old Netgear Windows telnetEnable.exe sends probe packets to the router's TCP port 23. Thus, it is not compatible with firmware and routers Netgear introduced after early 2014, which require UDP port 23."
http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/netgear/telnet.console
I've not tired this yet as i am in work, but will let you guys know later whether it works for future reference. Hopefully once enabled, DSL stats will still be able to work.
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I can now confirm that the tweaked telnetEnable.exe (now using UDP instead of TCP) works to unlock and enable telnet.
Also DSLStats is running on this router - and stats are now uploading. If anyone else is using this router, leave the user and password fields blank in DSLStats otherwise it will not work.
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Thanks for confirming that. I'll add it to the DSLstats compatibility list with some notes.
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The new Netgear D6400 doesn't support g.inp & vectoring with the latest firmware D6400-V1.0.0.22_1.0.22.chk
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Hi
Sounds like typical Netgear, a product released into the UK which doesn't support fully FTTC as used here.
I'm very surprised it isn't supported, as it is a function of the Broadcom chipset and enabled by the driver, unless of course they need to pay extra for this I can't understand why they have left it off.
Do we know what the VDSL driver version is? It should be a simple case of a firmware update to enabled it, unless of course they are planning on releasing a D6400 Version 2 with full support leaving early adopters with a big black elephant of a plastic box in the room, which wouldn't be the first time they've done that. Still at least they managed to ship it with a nice illuminated logo which works out the box. :blush:
Regards
Phil
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I just awaiting email back from Netgear UK support
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Oh dear :(
Youd think with it having one of the most modern BCM chipsets it would :no:
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My zyxel is doing great.
This is a copy of the live chat i had when i was contemplating buying the Netgear. in fairness it could have been the USA i was talking to, but still, it did make my mind up to get the Zyxel as suggested which has been perfect, although the fibre could be a bit quicker than the 38 Mb i get but still better than the 12mb i was on before.
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The chat to Netgear is useless! They haven't got any clue! I spoken to live chat this afternoon about D6400 isn't G.INP and Vectoring support. They went away and back in 15 minutes and say they cannot find it of the VDSL if it was support g.inp & vectoring. So, I give up. Sent proper email to one of Netgear tech support.
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This is a copy of the live chat i had when i was contemplating buying the Netgear.
:(
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Sadly the Netgear tech is still useless!
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I have had the following response from an email to Netgear support about the question over G.998.4 (G.INP) and Vectoring:
With the information that you have provided, yes, the D6400 supports G.998.4 for DSL and G.INP and Vectoring for VDSL. Since the D6400 is VDSL capable, this is also a backward compatible with ADSL, ADSL2+ and DSL.
Regards,
Jenny
Expert ID: 46185
NETGEAR Support Expert
So now we know!
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I have had the following response from an email to Netgear support about the question over G.998.4 (G.INP) and Vectoring:
With the information that you have provided, yes, the D6400 supports G.998.4 for DSL and G.INP and Vectoring for VDSL. Since the D6400 is VDSL capable, this is also a backward compatible with ADSL, ADSL2+ and DSL.
Regards,
Jenny
Expert ID: 46185
NETGEAR Support Expert
So now we know!
Oh dear :no: How does the fact that its VDSL capable automatically make it g.inp and vectoring compatible. It also doesnt install great confidence when they say its 'backward compatible with DSL' :-X
I think I'm far more inclined to believe Max when he says its not working... and as such Im adding it to the list of incompatible g.inp routers.
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I do like Netgear product and all my network was Netgear and i would have liked to keep it that way but i have the Zyxel now and it seems great.
I think Netgear support is horrendous from a live chat point of view.
i have worked in technical sales for over 20 years and i am far from knowing everything and never will so the first thing i do if i don't understand a request or don't know the answer is to say ' i will ask somebody who knows and come back to you' rather than just make something up
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I wish I'd kept a record of the chat I had with TP-link support when I asked them if their TD-W9980 was ginp compatible. (I already knew it wasnt and had reported it to higher up, but just wanted to see how their CS responded.).
Completely different scenario to what you guys are seein at Netgear. The girl at the other end didnt know she tried looking but couldnt find anything. As it was after 5:30 there wasnt any tech guys she could check with, so she took my email address and promised to mail me as soon as the tech guys where back in... which she did and she came back with all the correct answers.
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I do like Netgear product and all my network was Netgear and i would have liked to keep it that way but i have the Zyxel now and it seems great.
My experience of netgear, having had to support such equipment in small/medium businesses, is that their unmanaged gigabit switches are great, everything else is junk. Another networking forum I'm active on refers to them as 'netsmear' for the same reason.
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I have had the following response from an email to Netgear support about the question over G.998.4 (G.INP) and Vectoring:
With the information that you have provided, yes, the D6400 supports G.998.4 for DSL and G.INP and Vectoring for VDSL. Since the D6400 is VDSL capable, this is also a backward compatible with ADSL, ADSL2+ and DSL.
Regards,
Jenny
Expert ID: 46185
NETGEAR Support Expert
So now we know!
I am sorry but I don't believe any word from Jenny. She is wrong there! I put mine D6400 on it for 24 hours but no sign of G.INP enabled! From 79999/20000k to 68000K/19999k. (with the firmware D6400-V1.0.0.22_1.0.22.chk) as my cabinet is on Huawei.
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I am sorry but I don't believe any word from Jenny. She is wrong there!
Why not contact Netgaer yourself so you can challenge their reply?
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Already did!
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Maybe it is worth someone calling the UK office (01344 45 8200) and see if someone there can be more definitive?
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Go ahead
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I have been looking into the D6400 but after reading what I have on this forum, I don't think I'll bother now.
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Go ahead
I would but it needs to be someone on this site who can be convinced it has G.IMP support or no one here will believe it! ;D
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AFAIK contact has already been made and the response shown to be in error, so the question of whether it currently supports G.INP has already been answered. What is needed is someone to contact them and find out what the next steps are in order to enable G.INP on the device in the future.
Which is what I thought you were saying, not just to ask the same question again.
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Hi Guys,
I was looking into this issue and found some good information on the official NETGEAR forum. G.998.4 (g.inp) and vectoring will be supported in the next D6400 FW release which is scheduled to be released in early June.
NETGEAR engineer AllenLai confirmed it here:
http://forum1.netgear.com/showthread.php?p=498403#post498403
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Hello Xtrail2, welcome to the Kitz forum.
Thank you for posting that information (and the link). :) So the device is currently incompatible but Netgear hope to correct that situation in a proposed firmware update.
I think most "world weary" users will adopt the attitude of I'll believe it when I see it. :D
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Yep, Netgear have just emailed me just an hour ago that the next FW will be g.inp and vectoring support. So, I put the router back to the cupboard for now until June.
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That sounds promising with the G.inp then. WHat is the Wifi strength like? I've tried searching for reviews but can't find any at all.
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Updated:
I can confirmed that my Netgear D6400 on the VDSL2 is connection at 79999K/20000K with G.INP enabled. :)
See screenshot below:
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Sorry for my lack of knowledge but how can you tell from the screenshot? Maybe I've over looked it. I'm guessing from looking at the line attenuation? How did it go G.INP if it isn't in the firmware yet?
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I can tell because if G.INP wasn't enabled, the ping will be doubled and the sync rate will not be 79999K (will drop down to around 64999K plus the upstream rate would be 19999K instead.
I try to get DSLStats v5.4 to work with this router but unable to login :(
I just ran BT Speedtester and it reported IP Profile is 77.35Mbps (that was G.INP enabled on this profile)
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Sorry I modified my response before you replied. Sounds good though. I've subscribed to the thread so I can see how you all get on with the device.
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I just wish Netgear get extra feature on the stats just like billion 8800nl. I was surprise the stats is well outdated (for ADSL/ADSL2/ADSL2+) Nothing extra feature for VDSL2 stats. eg: Attenuation Rate, Interleaving, INP and CRC, HEC and FEC errors :(
I will ask plusnet later on to test the line FTTC GEA TEST to see if there is any retransmission on the profile name (if it was LOW on both downstream and upstream, it would mean the g.inp was enabled)
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You never know, Could this be something added in future firmware updates at all?
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You never know, Could this be something added in future firmware updates at all?
I will feedback to Netgear to add this VDSL2 extra feature stats.
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Please could you see if the D6400 has telnet access, and if it does whether it has an xdslcmd or similar command that should work with dststats. You don't need to be connected to the phone line to check.
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If you look on page two a user called ardsar has said that he has managed to get it [DSLstats] to work with some changes.
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Edited by admin to clarify DSLstats
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As it's Netgear, the device will have to be put into debug mode to enable telnet access, and some more recent models are quite problematic in that respect.
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According to MDWS he's on a ECI cabinet.
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Max - When you put the D6400 on the other day it was only syncing at 68Mb and you said no g.inp.
Yesterday Netgear's PEM confirmed that it will be supported in the next f/w release
and you said you put the router back in the cupboard.
Then this morning you say its now syncing at 80Mbps and g.inp. What changed? Do you now have beta firmware?
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According to MDWS he's on a ECI cabinet.
I think michty_me meant that ardsar had got telnet and DSLstats working with the D6400
See ardsar's post here. (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,15306.msg285186.html#msg285186)
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I think michty_me meant that ardsar had got telnet and DSLstats working with the D6400
See ardsar's post here.
(http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,15306.msg285186.html#msg285186)
Yes, My apologies. I should have quoted the person asking the question about DSLstats. Sorry for any confusion.
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Edited by admin to fix quote tags
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np, Ive actually edited your post slightly to make it clearer that its DSLstats :)
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Perfect. Thank you! ;D
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I done it before enabled on telnet on DGND3700v2 on windows but that was a few year ago. I getting frustrated and I cannot remember step by step how to get my D6400 telnet enabled (damn it)?
He say leave blank admin and password on dslstats but what model do I need to select as there is no Netgear D6400 model on it?
@kitz It's so strange as I did hard reset on the router and flashed firmware again. this time it went connection at 79999K/20000K as I don't know why it didn't work when I first connection at 65000K/19999K.
the firmware I am using right now is
V1.0.0.22_1.0.22
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Re G.INP
Thanks max - it is very strange, I will leave it until we get proper confirmation from Netgear, as it seems a bit hit and miss atm. :(
I dont like putting anything on the main list until we know for certain that it does
Re DSLstats
ardsar may be the best person to explain exactly how he got telnet working.
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@ardsar can you please explain exactly how you get telnet working on D6400 on Windows 7 64 bit. And what setting did you put on the DSLStats 5.4 step by step please.
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All netgear routers by default do not have telnet enabled. This feature needs to be unlocked. Existing tools do not work as in late 2014, Netgear decided to change the ports the commands needed to be sent over to unlock telnet from TCP port 23 to UDP port 23.
"The old Netgear Windows telnetEnable.exe sends probe packets to the router's TCP port 23. Thus, it is not compatible with firmware and routers Netgear introduced after early 2014, which require UDP port 23."
http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/netgear/telnet.console
However, a developer has modified the unlock tool in order for this to work. The exe file can be found on git hub.
How to Unlock Telnet.
1) Download the unlock tool from here https://github.com/LuKePicci/NetgearTelnetEnable/blob/master/binaries/windows/telnetenable.exe
2) Once downloaded run the following command telnetenable.exe {IP ADDRESS of D6400} {MAC ADDRESS of Router LAN Port} {user id} {password}
What you type should look similar to this
telnetenable.exe 192.168.1.1 000FB5A2BE26 admin helloworld
If you have done this correctly, you should now be able to use telnet.
3) On dslstats, select any netgear router - i think i selected the last one in the list.
4) Leave user ID and Password blank on DSLstats.
5) No other settings required.
Hope this helps.
Remember, each time you reboot the router, you will have to unlock telnet again.
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;D ;) It's finally working at last! Thanks ardsar
I am now LIVE via http://www.mydslwebstats.co.uk with my nickname adslmax
here is my dslstats below:
adslctl info --stats
adslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 35043 Kbps, Downstream rate = 103831 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 79999 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a
TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 11.8 15.8
Attn(dB): 11.1 0.0
Pwr(dBm): 12.4 -0.9
VDSL2 framing
Bearer 0
MSGc: -6 -6
B: 130 97
M: 1 1
T: 0 0
R: 8 8
S: 0.0518 0.1554
L: 21468 5457
D: 16 8
I: 139 106
N: 139 106
Q: 16 8
V: 14 2
RxQueue: 57 39
TxQueue: 19 13
G.INP Framing: 18 18
G.INP lookback: 19 13
RRC bits: 24 24
Bearer 1
MSGc: 186 58
B: 0 0
M: 2 2
T: 2 2
R: 16 16
S: 5.3333 16.0000
L: 48 16
D: 3 1
I: 32 32
N: 32 32
Q: 0 0
V: 0 0
RxQueue: 0 0
TxQueue: 0 0
G.INP Framing: 0 0
G.INP lookback: 0 0
RRC bits: 0 0
Counters
Bearer 0
OHF: 0 0
OHFErr: 0 0
RS: 1935140416 3299534
RSCorr: 4555 3559
RSUnCorr: 0 0
Bearer 1
OHF: 1566256 523744
OHFErr: 0 0
RS: 18794335 1994316
RSCorr: 9 47
RSUnCorr: 0 0
Retransmit Counters
rtx_tx: 5593 183
rtx_c: 95 21295
rtx_uc: 0 0
G.INP Counters
LEFTRS: 1 673
minEFTR: 79999 19997
errFreeBits: 30696429 897903050
Bearer 0
HEC: 0 0
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 3870431060 0
Data Cells: 39445815 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0
Bearer 1
HEC: 0 0
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 0 0
Data Cells: 0 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 28 28
AS: 25159
Bearer 0
INP: 46.00 47.00
INPRein: 0.00 0.00
delay: 0 0
PER: 0.00 0.00
OR: 0.01 0.01
AgR: 80614.82 20102.08
Bearer 1
INP: 4.00 4.00
INPRein: 4.00 4.00
delay: 3 0
PER: 16.06 16.06
OR: 95.62 31.87
AgR: 95.62 31.87
Bitswap: 6/6 20/20
Total time = 6 hours 59 min 47 sec
FEC: 4555 3559
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 28 28
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Latest 15 minutes time = 14 min 47 sec
FEC: 0 12
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC: 286 374
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Latest 1 day time = 6 hours 59 min 47 sec
FEC: 4555 3559
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 28 28
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Previous 1 day time = 0 sec
FEC: 0 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Since Link time = 6 hours 59 min 17 sec
FEC: 4555 3559
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
NTR: mipsCntAtNtr=0 ncoCntAtNtr=0
Stats recorded 01 May 2015 11:16:41
DSLAM/MSAN type: BDCM:0xa44f / v0xa44f
Modem/router firmware: AnnexA version - A2pv6F039j.d25d
DSL mode: VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status: Showtime
Uptime:
Resyncs: 0 (since 01 May 2015 11:13:38)
Downstream Upstream
Line attenuation (dB): 11.1 0.0
Signal attenuation (dB): Not available on VDSL2
Connection speed (kbps): 79999 20000
SNR margin (dB): 11.8 15.8
Power (dBm): 12.4 0.9
Interleave depth: 16 8
INP: 46.00 47.00
G.INP: Enabled
RSCorr/RS (%): 0.0002 0.6483
RSUnCorr/RS (%): 0.0000 0.0000
ES/hour: 0 0
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but your stats seem to show that G.INP is supported on the D6400!
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but your stats seem to show that G.INP is supported on the D6400!
Yes it does! :) but I don't know why is Netgear manager say the G.INP and Vectoring will be support on the next firmware. But I am using stock firmware: V1.0.0.22_1.0.22
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but your stats seem to show that G.INP is supported on the D6400!
I know its all rather confusing because the other day it didnt work on his line and why I also asked the question.
Max - When you put the D6400 on the other day it was only syncing at 68Mb and you said no g.inp.
Yesterday Netgear's PEM confirmed that it will be supported in the next f/w release
and you said you put the router back in the cupboard.
Then this morning you say its now syncing at 80Mbps and g.inp. What changed? Do you now have beta firmware?
It seems like its just started working all on its own accord :-\
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Thanks for the Telnet feedback. Please could some with Telnet running on a D6400 post the results of an xdslcmd on its own (or if that is not the stats command the actual stats command e.g adslctl). This should just return the options available. Anyone with dslstats running may prefer to just do it via the advanced-custom commands tab. I am interested to see if the --maxDataRate option is available.
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I bought the D6400 yesterday and its running great on sky fibre,due to line issues I'm only syncing at 54 meg (down from 80) but the 6400 is at the same speed as the SR102 was,i,m getting a new line installed tomorrow ,so hopefully will be back up at 80/20 !! i would love to run dslstats but haven't got a clue how to get it working !!
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G.INP is working on mine, as far as I can tell -
Stats recorded 15 May 2015 13:59:47
DSLAM/MSAN type: BDCM:0xa485 / v0xa485
Modem/router firmware: AnnexA version - A2pv6F039j.d25d
DSL mode: VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status: Showtime
Uptime:
Resyncs: 0 (since 15 May 2015 13:59:14)
Downstream Upstream
Line attenuation (dB): 9.3 0.0
Signal attenuation (dB): Not monitored
Connection speed (kbps): 79999 20000
SNR margin (dB): 10.8 14.8
Power (dBm): 12.9 -4.9
Interleave depth: 8 4
INP: 55.00 55.00
G.INP: Enabled
RSCorr/RS (%): 0.0000 0.2520
RSUnCorr/RS (%): 0.0000 0.0000
ES/hour: 0 0
Downstream Upstream
General
rtx_tx 75895 700
rtx_c 195 5694
rtx_uc 0 247836
LEFTRS 0 72
minEFTR 79980 19997
errFreeBits 118516893 370906979
Bearer 0
RxQueue 135 135
TxQueue 27 27
G.INP Framing 18 18
G.INP Lookback 27 27
RRC Bits 24 24
Interleave depth 8 4
INP 55.00 55.00
INPRein 1.00 1.00
Delay 0 0
Bearer 1
Interleave depth 3 1
INP 4.00 4.00
INPRein 4.00 4.00
Delay 3 0
Also my pings -
Pinging google.com [31.55.184.214] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 31.55.184.214: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=60
Reply from 31.55.184.214: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=60
Reply from 31.55.184.214: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=60
Reply from 31.55.184.214: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=60
Ping statistics for 31.55.184.214:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 9ms, Maximum = 9ms, Average = 9ms
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^^...Very odd strange of your with INP 55.00 / 55.00 with interleave depth: 8 / 4 with 79999 / 20000 compare with mine below
INP 46.00 / 47.00 with interleave depth: 16 / 8 with 79999 / 20000
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^^...Very odd strange of your with INP 55.00 / 55.00 with interleave depth: 8 / 4 with 79999 / 20000 compare with mine below
INP 46.00 / 47.00 with interleave depth: 16 / 8 with 79999 / 20000
Mine said the same as yours the day I connected it then it retrained the next morning to what I have now and pings went down from 12ms to 9ms, will give it a couple of weeks to see what happens with it and see if it adjusts any more.
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Set one of these up on Friday to replace my HG612 as my line had been banded from the Asus I had on the line. Was running over 30 days on the HG612 with DLM not relenting and keeping my banding. Re sync this morning and already a positive change now up to 32399 Kbps from 29999kbps.
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i,m finding this to be a very good purchase ,very very stable ,fast wifi
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Impressed so far with it
G.Inp confirmed as working on my line.
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I have to say D6400 was pretty good but the stats are pretty poor (outdated) need a new layout stats from Netgear.
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So what's everyone's thoughts on the D6400 now you have spent some time with it? I'm interested in WiFi strength through large properties as well as speed. I've yet to see any official testing done on it.
I recently got a second hand DSL-AC68U from a mate but looking at moving it on for one of these now.
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So what's everyone's thoughts on the D6400 now you have spent some time with it? I'm interested in WiFi strength through large properties as well as speed. I've yet to see any official testing done on it.
I recently got a second hand DSL-AC68U from a mate but looking at moving it on for one of these now.
I own both, so far the Netgear D6400 is better as I get the same speed but better pings by roughly 3ms, Wi-Fi seems pretty good but then I have multiple Netgear WAC120 Access Points throughout the house, multiple switches, don't use my laptop a lot at home, but everything works great with my LG G3, Nvidia Shield Tablet and Nexus 5, better than the Netgear D6300 I had over a year ago on ADSL2. Easier to set up than the ASUS, getting to the stats is not hard following the guides here, the ASUS was not great for stats so technically you can get more stats out of the Netgear than the ASUS with less hassle.
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Thanks for the info, so would you recommend it over the Asus totally? I should have probably bought the netgear but thought I should at least try the Asus from my friend. I'll maybe just buy it and decide which one to keep after a bit or testing.
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Thanks for the info, so would you recommend it over the Asus totally? I should have probably bought the netgear but thought I should at least try the Asus from my friend. I'll maybe just buy it and decide which one to keep after a bit or testing.
I swapped my Asus out for a D6400 last week and happy with the performance so far. Wifi seems as good as the Asus and the unit seems stable, no random reboots or the line dropping. Hoping DLM gives in and removes my banding with this unit.
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That sounds promising. Since switching to the Asus I've lost around 4mb sync speed and the snr is fluctuating between 4-7db constantly. On the HG612 i t just stayed solid at 6.9db. I should have gone with another broadcom chip unit such as this.
Has anyone used the VPN side of netgear as this is important for me as I travel about a bit.
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Just bought one to test on my line. See how it compares to the Asus.
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Just bought one to test on my line. See how it compares to the Asus.
Just make sure you give it a few days without rebooting it once you get settings correct before comparing stats etc.
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Just make sure you give it a few days without rebooting it once you get settings correct before comparing stats etc.
No problem. I'll do that and check. I'll post up a comparison of the stats between the netgear and Asus.
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Can someone assist me with getting DSLStats up and running?
I've done the telnet.exe thing and received the message back stating that Payload has been sent to Netgear router. Telnet should be enabled. I go to DSL Stats and select the last netgear device as suggested and it leave the username and password blank. When I click the play button it says cannot log in to router.
Any idea where I'm going wrong?
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Ok, I think I have it now. A little issue I have found that I'm only getting 38MB down on speedtests through Wifi, Every other device I have it shows 72Mb on a speedtest sing the Asus PCIE card.
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Ok, I think I have it now. A little issue I have found that I'm only getting 38MB down on speedtests through Wifi, Every other device I have it shows 72Mb on a speedtest sing the Asus PCIE card.
Could you please tell me how you got the stats working please,I've tried over and over again ,but can't do anything
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Ok, I think I have it now. A little issue I have found that I'm only getting 38MB down on speedtests through Wifi, Every other device I have it shows 72Mb on a speedtest sing the Asus PCIE card.
Could you please tell me how you got the stats working please,I've tried over and over again ,but can't do anything
There is a post in this thread about it, it shows you how to enable the telnet ability, then you use dslstats to connect, just select any netgear router in the list, last one is fine, but you need to blank out the username and password then hit the play button and that is it.
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Have NETGEAR fixed their WiFi issues (poor WiFi range) that plagued all of their routers that I tried, up to the D6300?
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Sure,
I'll try and detail every step from ardsars post.
1) Download the unlock tool from here https://github.com/LuKePicci/NetgearTelnetEnable/blob/master/binaries/windows/telnetenable.exe
2) Place file in C:\Windows\System32.
3) Login to netgear router and click advanced and look at the router information block. Take note of the MAC address in there.
4) This point I made a notepad file with the info if I ever need it again.
5) Open windows command prompt.
6) Type this without the quote marks "telnetenable.exe 192.168.0.1 {MAC ADDRESS of Router LAN Port - in step 3} {user id- default admin} {password- default password}
7) It should look like something like this - telnetenable.exe 192.168.0.1 000FB5A2BE26 admin password
8) Hit enter and you should get a message stating Payload has been sent to Netgear router. Telnet should be enabled.
9) Open DSL Stats, And go to config page. Select one of the netgear routers from the list and delete the username and password info. Hit the play button.
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Have NETGEAR fixed their WiFi issues (poor WiFi range) that plagued all of their routers that I tried, up to the D6300?
I recently read an updated review on the D6300 and they said the latest firmware had sorted a lot of issues with wifi performance.
I'm not saying this is spectacular but it is nearly as good as my ASus DSL-AC68U. The range is almost identical anyway. I was worried about it not managing to cover a large 4 bedroom house but it still gives reception down in my garage at the end of the drive. I'm quite impressed.
One issue though is that I've noticed some stuttering with WiFi. Especially in gaming and also with watching Youtube. It sometimes goes to buffer which is the first I've seen in a long time.
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That sounds reasonably positive.
NETGEAR have a history of releasing poorly written firmware for their devices and then instead of fixing the problems, releasing a newer version whilst simultaneously dropping support for the older one.
The DGND3700 immediately springs to mind...
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Sure,
I'll try and detail every step from ardsars post.
1) Download the unlock tool from here https://github.com/LuKePicci/NetgearTelnetEnable/blob/master/binaries/windows/telnetenable.exe
2) Place file in C:\Windows\System32.
3) Login to netgear router and click advanced and look at the router information block. Take note of the MAC address in there.
4) This point I made a notepad file with the info if I ever need it again.
5) Open windows command prompt.
6) Type this without the quote marks "telnetenable.exe 192.168.0.1 {MAC ADDRESS of Router LAN Port - in step 3} {user id- default admin} {password- default password}
7) It should look like something like this - telnetenable.exe 192.168.0.1 000FB5A2BE26 admin password
8) Hit enter and you should get a message stating Payload has been sent to Netgear router. Telnet should be enabled.
9) Open DSL Stats, And go to config page. Select one of the netgear routers from the list and delete the username and password info. Hit the play button.
Thanks very much ,ive eventually managed to do it!!! My stats are showing that G.INP is not enabled though
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That sounds reasonably positive.
NETGEAR have a history of releasing poorly written firmware for their devices and then instead of fixing the problems, releasing a newer version whilst simultaneously dropping support for the older one.
The DGND3700 immediately springs to mind...
Its honestly quite good. That's the 5ghz WiFi I was testing. Not sure on distance but can measure tomorrow.
Still not sure if its a setting in the WiFi page or something I've missed but I was also only getting half my upload speeds on speed tests.
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Sure,
I'll try and detail every step from ardsars post.
1) Download the unlock tool from here https://github.com/LuKePicci/NetgearTelnetEnable/blob/master/binaries/windows/telnetenable.exe
2) Place file in C:\Windows\System32.
3) Login to netgear router and click advanced and look at the router information block. Take note of the MAC address in there.
4) This point I made a notepad file with the info if I ever need it again.
5) Open windows command prompt.
6) Type this without the quote marks "telnetenable.exe 192.168.0.1 {MAC ADDRESS of Router LAN Port - in step 3} {user id- default admin} {password- default password}
7) It should look like something like this - telnetenable.exe 192.168.0.1 000FB5A2BE26 admin password
8) Hit enter and you should get a message stating Payload has been sent to Netgear router. Telnet should be enabled.
9) Open DSL Stats, And go to config page. Select one of the netgear routers from the list and delete the username and password info. Hit the play button.
Thanks very much ,ive eventually managed to do it!!! My stats are showing that G.INP is not enabled though
No problem. Glad you got it working. Are you on an eci cabinet?
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No I'm on a huawei one,but I had line issues at the beginning of the month and a new line installed and DLM reset ,l believe that G.INP may need to be reapplied ?
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I may be wrong when I say this but I've been told that DLM will only apply g.inp if the line is seeing excessive noise. I first thought it was applied to all but was later told it was a DLM decision. As I said, that information may be incorrect.
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You maybe correct ,my line is showing no interleaving and very few errors ,I've been a rock solid 79987 up/19999 down since my line was fixed
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Lucky for some. I've always had interleaving in all properties in my area. One I was next door to the cabinet, this one about 200m from it. Always the same pings and interleaving depths. I was beggining to wonder if Zen had me on a stable profile.
Strange thing was the hg612 and the d6400 always report me as interleaved. The Asus always reported me as fastpath.
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Lucky for some. I've always had interleaving in all properties in my area. One I was next door to the cabinet, this one about 200m from it. Always the same pings and interleaving depths. I was beggining to wonder if Zen had me on a stable profile.
Strange thing was the hg612 and the d6400 always report me as interleaved. The Asus always reported me as fastpath.
Interleave and Fastpath are not always reported correctly especially when G.INP is reported as being enabled. Technically G.INP is a form of interleaving, so when then the ASUS reports Fastpath it is not telling you the whole story about G.INP and interleave depth.
Most reliable test for me at least is to just ping google.com, anything 12ms or lower seems to be Fastpath and/or G.INP functioning correctly, if you getting 20ms or higher then either interleaved or G.INP possibly not working as intended and at this point need to check other factors such as what cabinet you on, line length, line noise etc etc.
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Ah that makes sense.
Looks like I have always been interleaved. My pings were better on ADSL2+ really.
Any idea on when the next firmware is released for this device or what is included in it? I'm tempted to return it but wanted to see if the firmware update was out before my returns time frame ran out.
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Ah that makes sense.
Looks like I have always been interleaved. My pings were better on ADSL2+ really.
Any idea on when the next firmware is released for this device or what is included in it? I'm tempted to return it but wanted to see if the firmware update was out before my returns time frame ran out.
I read somebody from Netgear said June, what device would you get instead, there is nothing really better at the moment.
BiPAC 8800AXL has been out for ages and never got a firmware update :P
DrayTech Vigor 2860ac is about £250, I guess that is an option https://www.broadbandbuyer.com/products/21803-draytek-v2860ac/ but their G.INP firmware is technically beta at the moment, but has been ratified as working.
TBH in terms of all in one solution with good VDSL modem in there is not great choice, you could get hold of a good Broadcom based VDSL modem (Huawei HG612) and separate router that way you could pick one of the top of the range Netgear/Linksys/ASUS routers with tri or quad band AC and really good antennas etc.
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D6400 has been up and running stable for 10 days now with no re syncs. Seems very stable. I have sold my Asus now as happy to keep the Netgear.
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I would probably just go back to a two box solution if I'm honest. Maybe just get a cheap modem with broadcom chip set which will easily allow me to get stats and sell the dsl-ac68u, return the d6400 and get another AC router that supports VPN on android/iOS.
I think the next two in one unit I would be willing to try is the new billion series hopefully out soon.
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I would probably just go back to a two box solution if I'm honest. Maybe just get a cheap modem with broadcom chip set which will easily allow me to get stats and sell the dsl-ac68u, return the d6400 and get another AC router that supports VPN on android/iOS.
I think the next two in one unit I would be willing to try is the new billion series hopefully out soon.
Found a VPN solution for you for android on Netgear VPN at least https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.colucciweb.openvpn&hl=en it costs £5.49 but it works with TAP etc.
Tested it and it works perfectly.
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Nice. I did read about that last night. Think I may go with this.
Now just to figure out the WiFi throughput issue.
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Thats me returned the D6400. Good solid modem in it but I just wasn't 100% happy with it in terms of the GUI and WiFi. This could well improve with firmware updates so I'm keeping it as an open option in the future. I hope it does improve as I would happily have it back again. It is probably one of the better combo units I have tested so far.
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Still working amazingly, definitely recommended product, only thing is I think this and other similar ones should be going down in price more and there should be more high powered alternatives, well in time I hope there is.
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I said this before on another thread. If they took out a combo unit with the wireless similar to the nighthawk or newer then I would take one in a heartbeat!!
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I said this before on another thread. If they took out a combo unit with the wireless similar to the nighthawk or newer then I would take one in a heartbeat!!
Probably just needs more adjustable power settings like my Netgear WAC120 Access Point has, although the WAC120 is classified as a business product and the D6400 as a home product, in fact in general I wish more manufacturers put far more settings in their routers, they should all have a Basic/Advanced/Expert toggle to reveal more settings.
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I said this before on another thread. If they took out a combo unit with the wireless similar to the nighthawk or newer then I would take one in a heartbeat!!
;)
NETGEAR D7000 (http://netgear.com/home/products/networking/dsl-modems-routers/D7000.aspx)
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NETGEAR D7000 (http://netgear.com/home/products/networking/dsl-modems-routers/D7000.aspx)
Do you know the chipset that powers the above, please?
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I said this before on another thread. If they took out a combo unit with the wireless similar to the nighthawk or newer then I would take one in a heartbeat!!
;)
NETGEAR D7000 (http://netgear.com/home/products/networking/dsl-modems-routers/D7000.aspx)
Wow! When did this appear. This will be getting bought I reckon!! It should use a broadcom chipset. Netgear don't tend to stray to far.
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. . . It should use a broadcom chipset. Netgear don't tend to stray to far.
That is what I assumed when I bought a new DG834Gv5 some years ago. It turned out to be based on a Conexant chipset. :(
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Ah yes! I remember that one now. Oh, sell let's just hope they stick to the same platform as the D6400 and go broadcom.
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I'm guessing the Netgear D7000 is based on the BCM63138.
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I wonder when it will be out. My money is waiting!!!!
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NETGEAR D7000 (http://netgear.com/home/products/networking/dsl-modems-routers/D7000.aspx)
Do you know the chipset that powers the above, please?
I'm guessing the Netgear D7000 is based on the BCM63138.
You have guessed correctly. This chipset supports G.fast.
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Take my money now please!!
Just read an article that states that it is available now throughout europe. Hopefully it will be released in the UK by the time I return next month.
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Netgear D7000 looks sweet )))
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I said this before on another thread. If they took out a combo unit with the wireless similar to the nighthawk or newer then I would take one in a heartbeat!!
;)
NETGEAR D7000 (http://netgear.com/home/products/networking/dsl-modems-routers/D7000.aspx)
I don't suppose you know when the UK release date is? The only date I know of is in the middle of august.
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So I bought this and good old Amazon delivered it today - multiple problems with it in as much as it being unable to connect to plusnet and when it did my IPTV did not work despite me tinkering with it. So it's boxed up and being shipped back for a refund. I'll stick with the billion for the moment.
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http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/D6400/D6400-V1.0.0.34_1.3.34.zip
D6400 Firmware Version 1.0.0.34
New Features & Enhancements
Wireless driver update for CE 2.4GHz power issue
Removed IPTV / DHCP option 60 in Setup Wizard while it’s set to UK/Sky and VDSL mode
Added ISP option list in Setup Wizard in ETH-WAN DHCP mode
Wireless AP mode picture update (for D6400)
DSL quick scan table updated
Added DFS channels support in Europe and Australia
Removed the Setup Wizard log
Added IPTV option in Setup Wizard for known ISP, It will bridge LAN4 and VDSL VLAN 30 interface
Disabled VLAN option in Setup Wizard page (user cannot change it in Setup Wizard)
Wording change in Internet Setup page / Router Status page: WAN1 to Internet, WAN2 to IPTV
Added “WAN2 bridge to LAN4” option in Internet Setup page
Added XAgent (Remote Genie) support
Updated DSL PHY driver and enable SRA and G.INP support
Added NA sku support
Internal wireless parameter change : watchdog from 60000 msec to 3000 msec for Home IOT issues
Bug Fixes
Fixed the issue with Wireless Setup page on Chrome browser
Fixed the issue where OpenVPN information incorrect in non-English version
Fixed the issue where upgrading the FW through internet crashes the router
Fixed some issues happened in WPA/WPA2 Enterprise Test
Fixed the issue where Asia 5GHz GUI channel can't set 36,40
Fixed the issue where router statistics show incorrect LAN interface uptime
Fixed the issue where BT WAN detection fail at ETH mode while IPTV is enabled
Fixed the issue where LAN PC doesn't get IP address from WAN when enable IPTV from VLAN / Bridge Setup page
Fixed the SoapAPI: Many API run failed during SOAP testing
Fixed the issue where browse button is not translated into Chinese on Setup Wizard restore router settings page
Fixed the issue where there is no ReadySHARE Vault option in USB function
Fixed the issue where Wireless client can't connect to router when its security mode is WPA/WPA2 Enterprise with EAP-TLS authentication
Fixed SOAP vulnerability (Need password requirement for SOAP API)
Known Issues:
PnP-X driver is not ready
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Anyone managed to get the IPTV to work and are with plusnet?
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Please could some with Telnet running on a D6400 post the results of an xdslcmd on its own. This should just return the options available. Anyone with dslstats running may prefer to just do it via the advanced-custom commands tab. I am interested to see if the --maxDataRate option is available.
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It would seem there is a new Firmware update for the D6400. Mine has just upgraded from 1.0.0.38_1.0.38 to V1.0.0.39_1.0.39 Its not on the website as yet so can't find a change log.
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It would seem there is a new Firmware update for the D6400. Mine has just upgraded from 1.0.0.38_1.0.38 to V1.0.0.39_1.0.39 Its not on the website as yet so can't find a change log.
You said 1.0.38 to start off with but I have http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/D6400/D6400-V1.0.0.38_1.1.38.zip listed as the official one, i.e. 1.1.38, so seems that there is a slight difference in numbers, not sure remotely what it means though :P
Anyway, I am unable to find a V1.0.0.39 on their servers and have tried multiple variations on the official link above to force a download to no avail. Maybe somebody else will have better luck, the official download zips usually contain notes.
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It would seem there is a new Firmware update for the D6400. Mine has just upgraded from 1.0.0.38_1.0.38 to V1.0.0.39_1.0.39 Its not on the website as yet so can't find a change log.
You said 1.0.38 to start off with but I have http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/D6400/D6400-V1.0.0.38_1.1.38.zip listed as the official one, i.e. 1.1.38, so seems that there is a slight difference in numbers, not sure remotely what it means though :P
Anyway, I am unable to find a V1.0.0.39 on their servers and have tried multiple variations on the official link above to force a download to no avail. Maybe somebody else will have better luck, the official download zips usually contain notes.
It was done via the WebGUI it just come up with Firmware update and that was that. I take it i can safely downgrade the firmware. Its on the Website look under the USA part. Hence why i am going to downgrade the firmware back if i can.
Right i managed to Flash backwards and straight away go offered the new Firmware. I have attached the following images. Not sure if there is away to download the firmware though and i can't find any change-log either
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Why did you take the firmware version back ?
My D6400 is saying update is available, I'm UK based.
DM
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I don't think anybody is suggesting you roll back, I was just trying to find out notes for you :P
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I knew i didn't need to roll back but i decided to as to get the screenies for everyone. But still no link on the Website nor changelog. The only Firmware for the D6400 that matches the version offered is the US one but i am in the UK, so really unsure what is happening in the world of Netgear right now.
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Thanks......
Do we upgrade or not ?
DM
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I am on it currently an see no change on how the router performs. So you can update if you wish still looking for the changelog.
Sent from my MotoG3 using Tapatalk
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Thanks, I'll go for it...........
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Given up, upgrade through web interface is continually looping with :
"Attempting to connect to Netgear Server. Please Wait..."
DM