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Broadband Related => Broadband Technology => Topic started by: phi2008 on January 30, 2015, 11:30:02 AM
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The national telecoms operator, BT, has today delivered an earlier than expected surprise by announcing their intention to deploy the next generation hybrid-fibre G.fast (ITU G.9701) broadband technology across the United Kingdom from 2016/17, with “most homes” told to expect speeds of ‘up to’ 500Mbps (Megabits per second) and there’s also a “premium” option for up to 1000Mbps (the premium may come via FTTP).
Rest of article ... (http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2015/01/bt-confirm-uk-rollout-1000mbps-g-fast-ultrafast-broadband-2020.html)
So I guess BT aren't going to go down the VDSL->"super-vectoring" road ... :)
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http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?topic=14957.0;topicseen
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Wonder if that means they are not rolling out ITU-T G.993.5 Vectoring, but will instead make us wait for G.Fast from some date commencing 2016? I guess that means a possible hardware refresh for the end user.
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The national telecoms operator, BT, has today delivered an earlier than expected surprise by announcing their intention to deploy the next generation hybrid-fibre G.fast (ITU G.9701) broadband technology across the United Kingdom from 2016/17, with “most homes” told to expect speeds of ‘up to’ 500Mbps (Megabits per second) and there’s also a “premium” option for up to 1000Mbps (the premium may come via FTTP).
Rest of article ... (http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2015/01/bt-confirm-uk-rollout-1000mbps-g-fast-ultrafast-broadband-2020.html)
So I guess BT aren't going to go down the VDSL->"super-vectoring" road ... :)
G.Fast makes far more extensive use of vectoring than VDSL2 - BT will have to introduce vectoring on current VDSL2 products or they have bugger all chance of G.Fast working with all those alien emitters.
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Nothing is confirmed until the end users see it or feel it !!!
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Sckipio Claims to Double the Distance of Ultrafast G.fast Broadband Tech
Israel-based modem maker Sckipio, which last year became the first manufacturer to release commercial hardware for the next generation hybrid-fibre G.fast (ITU G.9701) broadband technology that BT is also hoping to roll-out in the United Kingdom from 2016/17 (details), claims to have already doubled the technology’s reach.
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Sckipio claims to have “successfully demonstrated“, albeit only as part of a laboratory trial, a tweaked version of G.fast that “doubles the official ITU targets” for the technology by delivering speeds of greater than 500Mbps over 200 metres of copper cable and more than 200Mbps at 400 metres (the 400m figure is particularly impressive for G.fast). However it’s unclear if this is just on the download or aggregated with upload.
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http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2015/02/sckipio-claims-double-distance-ultrafast-g-fast-broadband-tech.html
Too recent to be tested in the upcoming trials I assume?
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Sckipio Claims to Double the Distance of Ultrafast G.fast Broadband Tech
Too recent to be tested in the upcoming trials I assume?
I just posted something over in the News thread, regarding analysis on the G.fast announcement by BT (including a link to read further). Specifically...
"There has been a breakthrough on G.fast in the last quarter and we now see a way to deliver it from street cabinets rather than just distribution points," [Gavin Patterson] said. "That means we can build on existing investments."
It could very well be the thing that has prompted BT to do some cabinet-based trials, and that it is worth doing the trials sooner rather than later.
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G.Fast makes far more extensive use of vectoring than VDSL2 - BT will have to introduce vectoring on current VDSL2 products or they have bugger all chance of G.Fast working with all those alien emitters.
G.fast simply won't use the VDSL 2 profile 17a frequency range. Problem solved.
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What will this do for people who live say 750 metres from the cabinet. Will they see any benefit?
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What will this do for people who live say 750 metres from the cabinet. Will they see any benefit?
From what I understand the fibre will go to a node closer to your house. So the distance will be reduced a lot. So it'll be the distance from your house to the node that will be the key thing, as far as I understand it.
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and the closer you get the node to your home you can extend the frequency range higher and higher which is how you get the speeds quoted for G.Fast.
It is VERY high frequency but only "reachable-out" to a shorter distance that VDSL.
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Ahh I see.
So if I'm just getting FTTC now does that mean it's going to come next year?
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Sounds great this g.fast but it will more then likely not be put in rural areas. Still waiting on my cab to activated for fttc but only time will tell.
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Sounds great this g.fast but it will more then likely not be put in rural areas. Still waiting on my cab to activated for fttc but only time will tell.
Wait why does the area being rural make any difference? If there's FTTC already in the area, surely it's as difficult to install this in a rural area as it is in an urban area?
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I was talking about the general rural areas that don't have fttc. Should of been more clear.
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I was talking about the general rural areas that don't have fttc. Should of been more clear.
OT :) Sorry to raise what will seem a persnickety point on your post, but I've seen "should of". I think, three times today. :(
What should have been written is "should have" or "should've". "Should of" comes from the way modern English is spoken.
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I was talking about the general rural areas that don't have fttc. Should of been more clear.
OT :) Sorry to raise what will seem a persnickety point on your post, but I've seen "should of". I think, three times today. :(
What should have been written is "should have" or "should've". "Should of" comes from the way modern English is spoken.
Persnickety is a North Americanism. We say 'Pernickety', in the UK. ;) ;D
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We say 'Pernickety', in the UK. ;) ;D
Really?
I suspect you may use somewhat different words with the same meaning when describing one of those types of end user to your colleagues in the canteen. ;) :lol:
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:lol: :lol: Absolutely right, BE ........ we often refer to those type of EU as 'cads' and 'bounders' !! ;) ;) ;D
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:)
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:lol: :lol: Absolutely right, BE ........ we often refer to those type of EU as 'cads' and 'bounders' !! ;) ;) ;D
Yes, that's obviously what I meant - NOT!!! ;)
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I very nearly did hug the engineer when he found & fixed my intermittent line fault back in May 2012 after 11 months of LTOK results (remember my epic thread? - silly question really; how could you possibly forget it? :lol:)
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I very nearly did hug the engineer when he found & fixed my intermittent line fault back in May 2012 after 11 months of LTOK results (remember my epic thread? - silly question really; how could you possibly forget it? :lol:)
Ha ha ....... I'm still waiting for it to be turned into a film !! ;) ;D ;D
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And I thought a persnickety was someone who dipped in to ladies' handbags. ;D Must look at my spell checker; too many are US based, so u.s. ::)
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And I thought a persnickety was someone who dipped in to ladies' handbags. ;D Must look at my spell checker; too many are US based, so u.s. ::)
pmsl. ;D
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I'm hoping if I make a nice cup of tea for my engineer, he might move my master socket ;)
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If your current linebox does not look like this:
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.run-it-direct.co.uk%2Fimages%2Fmk2vdslfitted.jpg&hash=004cffb25784ed6f786ef8527fbe91f7c2a80746)
The OR Engineer will fit a new one anyway.
If you ask nicely they will fit it where you want. (Within reason)
I got mine moved from just inside the front door to upstairs where all the main computers are.
Worth asking and the tea goes down well as an extra. ;D ;D
[Clarified 'Engineer' predicated on an Engineer does call. i.e: not Self Install (Thanks Black Sheep))
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I'm hoping if I make a nice cup of tea for my engineer, he might move my master socket ;)
Is this regarding the upcoming FTTC upgrade on your Cab ???
If so, it depends on how you order your product. If it's a self-install, then you won't even see an engineer. If you choose the HWS module (Home Wiring Solutions), then if you tell the engineer you want the socket moving they have to ..... as you will be billed for it. Brew or no brew. ;)
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If your current linebox does not look like this:
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.run-it-direct.co.uk%2Fimages%2Fmk2vdslfitted.jpg&hash=004cffb25784ed6f786ef8527fbe91f7c2a80746)
OR will fit a new one anyway.
If you ask nicely they will fit it where you want. (Within reason)
I got mine moved from just inside the front door to upstairs where all the main computers are.
Worth asking and the tea goes down well as an extra. ;D ;D
Mine does look like that.
Nonetheless I am hoping they'll move it to the hall in preparation for my ethernet being run around the house ;)
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Is this regarding the upcoming FTTC upgrade on your Cab ???
Well the cabinet is there and has had all the fibre run now but orders are still unavailable! :(
If so, it depends on how you order your product. If it's a self-install, then you won't even see an engineer. If you choose the HWS module (Home Wiring Solutions), then if you tell the engineer you want the socket moving they have to ..... as you will be billed for it. Brew or no brew. ;)
TalkTalk say if I go for the 76Mbps option, they'll send an engineer so that's okay.
Wait, so they won't move the master socket even if I ask?
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Yes they will move the master socket if you order the HWS module (or your ISP do on your behalf). They have no choice.
At the moment, does the wire feeding your master socket run past the point in the hallway where you'd like it re-siting ?? If so, it's a 10 minute job to carry out your wishes ?
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No it does not. The hall is further to the left if you're looking straight-on at the house: the drop wire comes in from the right. How does it work in that case?
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Here's a partial 'Cut & Paste' from our guidelines. Apologies if there's been a change from this practice with different ISP's, but I personally am not aware of any and this is still the case ?
The new ‘Home Wiring Solution Product’ enables the engineer on site to choose from a range of options and for him/her to choose the one which ensures the best end-user experience. The options are:
* Provide internal data extension
* Provide external data extension (kits currently available from coaches)
* Swap existing NTE5 with existing extension socket
* Shift NTE5
A single charge will be made to the CP regardless of which option is used.
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No it does not. The hall is further to the left if you're looking straight-on at the house: the drop wire comes in from the right. How does it work in that case?
There are lots of 'work-arounds'. The engineer on-site will work out the best, aesthetic solution that you are happy for him to progress with.
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Do they tend not to run a new drop wire o where it is needed then? The current wire is definitely not going to be long enough - do they connect a new wire to that by some type of bridge or something else?
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Let's hope it is an OR engineer!
Other companies seem to not have the best reputation. But if you get an OR engineer then you'll be fine :)
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Like I say, there are lots of scenario's that could take place ........... but there is indeed scope to elongate the in-situ dropwire by utilising a dropwire connector block, locally referred to as a 'Sausage'.
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I believe the dropwire is fairly new anyway: it was replaced entirely a few years ago.
The master socket was originally where I want it again now. The socket there now is a secondary one: it was an old-style type anyway.
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Then there may be opportunities to turn this back into a master socket without the need for drilling/further cabling ?
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How do they do that then? Do they use the internal wiring as a dropwire extension?
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If it is possible, yes.
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Ahh okay well I have no idea what the internal wiring is like between the master and the extension.
Actually, it goes under the carpet and then under the mat by the front door - I believe it is damaged somewhat! Works fine for phone service.
Failing that I guess they run a new dropwire to the new location?
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From my experience from friends and from my install, engineers are quite happy to swap the master socket to be an existing extension socket. A friend also had the incoming BT point moved when the engineer put a cable run around the outside of the house.
Contractors however, may not be so keen to move wiring.
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Jid,
I had the original incoming BT cable routed around the outside of the house to enter the up stairs study (bedroom really!) where I wanted it.
I was happy with that as I had external grade cat 5 running the same route. :)
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Persnickety is a North Americanism. We say 'Pernickety', in the UK. ;) ;D
Pernickety here too. Perhaps its a northern thang?
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Pernickety (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/pernickety) it is.
Persnickety (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/persnickety) according to the Oxford dictionary is "North American term for pernickety."
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From my experience from friends and from my install, engineers are quite happy to swap the master socket to be an existing extension socket.
For some crazy reason when our house was built SEVEN extension sockets were put in - it's a combination of star and daisy chain. The master is in a totally useless place in the lounge. I'm not going to even ask the engineer to sort it out.
At the moment I have a long Ethernet cable trailed through the house from router in the lounge to SamKnows whitebox upstairs in the office which means there's an obvious way to swap over to the modem and router for. When I figure out a route that doesn't make too much mess I'll be putting in a data extension cable.
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There was a presentation in today's UKNOF meeting, which gave a little more detail of G.fast trials - both the ones to come this summer, and some details of another one they've had running.
I posted something about it on TBB, as I didn't have access here at the time. Take a look at this thread:
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/f/4403593-uknof-live.html
Of particular mention:
- The third G.fast trial location at Swansea
- An existing "early technical trial", seemingly near Norwich, with forward-fed power over multiple copper pairs, using 7 DPs.
- Speeds of 350Mb over 200m.
- New ways to make deployment of fibre (FTTP and FTTPoD) cheaper